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Topic Started: Dec 10 2010, 08:10 PM (477 Views)
Flappy
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As you all get to know me you will soon learn that my political understanding is very limited but I do pick up on snippets over the years, have a little moan to myself and then carry on. The older I get the more cynical I become but on a positive side, want to make a change/difference. I openly admit that my cross has never been on a ballet paper in the 23 years I have been eligdable to vote, not through ignorance but through lack of understanding and if I am honest, interest.

The thing that has really pissed me off today was listening to an interview on radio 4 with an "EXPERT" regarding the bnp and its 1/2 million debt/Eddy Butler/Nick Griffin and the members that are leaving in droves. The point that I found was the fact that the "EXPERT" said that when the bnp folds and finally realises it has no political standing its members will look for other extreme movements to join, ie the EDL who also realise they will never become political and decide to rebel against Muslims and arrange violent demos, basiclly he also worded that the EDL was extreme right wing, or words to that effect, I can't remember.

My question, why do people/politicians presume that a group of many people who feel the need to express an opinion are right wing. How can 451,000 pro hunt demonstrators march through London last year and they were not classed as right wing. Why is it ok for a Police Officer to lose his temper and attack a demonstartor but not vise/verser. My idea of right wing is communism? a society where you are controlled, not an army of people who are standing up for values and beliefs.

So what if blood gets spilt, I have lost plenty in my lifetime and no doubt lose more but it never done me any harm,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,but its ok for sports promotors to make money out of conscenting adults to beat the sh*t out of each other.

Am I becoming a 41 year old(but still young and fit looking)grumpy old man or just someone not prepared to take the hypocrisy bullsh*t anymore.

Rant Over!!!

See you tomorrow :)
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Flappy
Dec 10 2010, 08:10 PM
As you all get to know me you will soon learn that my political understanding is very limited but I do pick up on snippets over the years, have a little moan to myself and then carry on. The older I get the more cynical I become but on a positive side, want to make a change/difference. I openly admit that my cross has never been on a ballet paper in the 23 years I have been eligdable to vote, not through ignorance but through lack of understanding and if I am honest, interest.

The thing that has really pissed me off today was listening to an interview on radio 4 with an "EXPERT" regarding the bnp and its 1/2 million debt/Eddy Butler/Nick Griffin and the members that are leaving in droves. The point that I found was the fact that the "EXPERT" said that when the bnp folds and finally realises it has no political standing its members will look for other extreme movements to join, ie the EDL who also realise they will never become political and decide to rebel against Muslims and arrange violent demos, basiclly he also worded that the EDL was extreme right wing, or words to that effect, I can't remember.

My question, why do people/politicians presume that a group of many people who feel the need to express an opinion are right wing. How can 451,000 pro hunt demonstrators march through London last year and they were not classed as right wing. Why is it ok for a Police Officer to lose his temper and attack a demonstartor but not vise/verser. My idea of right wing is communism? a society where you are controlled, not an army of people who are standing up for values and beliefs.

So what if blood gets spilt, I have lost plenty in my lifetime and no doubt lose more but it never done me any harm,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,but its ok for sports promotors to make money out of conscenting adults to beat the sh*t out of each other.

Am I becoming a 41 year old(but still young and fit looking)grumpy old man or just someone not prepared to take the hypocrisy bullsh*t anymore.

Rant Over!!!

See you tomorrow :)
Why should you take this bullsh1t anymore why should any of us

End of the day any politician will never agree with the EDL and will always class them as right wing extremist, if they say other wise there branded as a racist and there careear is over.

I think the EDL need to run in the election
We also need to start gettin some good publicity
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I've always looked at it as though far left is communism and far right as facism!
If you are in one of these groups then you totaly disagree with with oneaother.
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Good question: Why are those opposed the muslim extremism considered Right-wing?

shouldn't they be called patriots.
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harry
Dec 10 2010, 08:21 PM
I've always looked at it as though far left is communism and far right as facism!
If you are in one of these groups then you totaly disagree with with oneaother.
Fascism and socialism are just two sides of the same left wing coin, right wingers tend to believe in free markets (capitalism) and peoples right to choose as well as pay for what they want rather than what the state gives back. The founder of Fascism (Mussolini) got most of his ideas from his time as a communist agitator and he basically bolted socialism onto nationalism, that's why Hitler chose the name National Socialism to define the Nazi's as opposed to international socialism which is the domain of the communist/leftists.

There's nothing right wing about the BNP, most of their policies are to the left of the Labour party, which is why they pick up so many disaffected Labour voters, not Tory ones, who tend to go to UKIP.
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I really do wind myself up over the fact that politically I have been abused and taken the piss out of over the years. We as individuals never fcuked this country up, we just go about our lives living it the best we can. The way I see it, we will never live in a happy society all the while we have liars and greedy cnuts running the country. George Orwell was right, we are Animal Farm and Baden Powell was not far wrong, again another person who had the courage to express an opinion,,,,,,,,,,oops does that make me a racist because I agree with what another person said? Lets be honest, and be honest, we have all passed a racial slur past our lips, define racism/racist. I am NOT a racist but I may say the odd wrong thing, I believe I am intitled to an o[pinion, right or wrong but still intitled, we don't need to fight over it, nothing wrong with disagreement, we should be strong and have the strenght to get an opinion across without the use of fists. Power in numbers, the Romans did it, its time we adopted an approach that will not be reconed with. Why do a few hundred bigoted polititions control my lfe, who said they have the right to tell me how much of my hard earnt money I have to give away. Why should I live in fear of taking my kids to London for a day trip and worry about going on a bus or tube,,,,,,,'Dad, why do we have to walk everywhere' !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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on the hunt protesters,
i think it was the swine that said we should talk to the countyrside alliance.
i think thats a defo ...
theyre ultra concerned the way the countrys going.
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Dec 10 2010, 08:45 PM
on the hunt protesters,
i think it was the swine that said we should talk to the countyrside alliance.
i think thats a defo ...
theyre ultra concerned the way the countrys going.
It was indeed.They are sick to the teeth at what is being done to this country.Don't forget a lot of them aren't toffs,just kennel men and terrier men who want to keep their tradional way of life
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In my view the left, right paradigm is false. The MSM use this to frame a debate to their choosing and label organisations for their own ends. It is not rocket science, the EDL have been labeled right wing and therefore: Nationalistic racists. Having studied a bit of NLP I see how people are manipulated through the media, Pavlovs dog salivated every time it heard the bell, the term right wing is a bell.

I constantly email the BBC to ask them the corporations definition of what the term, right wing, represents; I have never received an answer, It doesn't fit their agenda of manipulation, does it?

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I am a registered Libertarian... I agree that left/right is bogus. the extreme's always meet each other. the liberals are SO left that they are right and fascist. communism/fascism are totalitarian ideal's, in the end those never work.

The only thing that can work on this planet is for people in there countries to live the life they want, outside groups should respect that dynamic and work to accommodate it.

The EDL is not right or left, in fact you have fascists and socialist's who post on this site. you have racists. bigots and open minded people posting on here. You have Christians, Jews, Sikh's, Buddhists, Atheists, Agnostic's who are joined by a common goal. That is what the EDL is. A lot of us on this site have different opinions on many different things, in a free and open society that is good. We are fighting to keep that right.

What it boils down to is that the EDL represents the main stream of the country, it is a sampling of all that makes your country great. That diversity is what needs to be promoted, our posts and belief's need to be touted to the media. Left to there own thoughts the media will come up with whatever it wants, you need to force the issue to them. To TELL them what you are.
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There's nothing wrong with being right wing.
It's the far right that's fascist.
Just like Left wing isn't communism, it's only the far left that is communist.

This is down to left wingers always trying to bring us down, and be to afraid of being who we realy are, as they only like Left wing.
They will always call right wing fascist, they fail to see the difference between the right and far right.
I for one would like to see their reactions when i brand them a communist for simply for just being on the left.
Edited by Night_Crawler, Dec 10 2010, 11:42 PM.
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