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| Berlin Mosque Firebombed; 6th attack in berlin this year | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Dec 9 2010, 07:47 PM (466 Views) | |
| Deleted User | Dec 9 2010, 07:47 PM Post #1 |
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http://www.news24.com/World/News/Berlin-mosque-bombed-20101209 Berlin mosque bombed 2010-12-09 16:34 Berlin - Police say an Islamic cultural centre in Berlin has been attacked with a Molotov cocktail - the sixth arson attack on Muslim institutions in the capital this year. Police spokesperson Thomas Neuendorf said an unidentified person threw a Molotov cocktail at the Islamic cultural centre of the Iranian community early on Thursday morning. He says the missile set the facade of the building alight, but the fire had died out before authorities arrived. Nobody was injured, but state criminal police are investigating. Neuendorf says the Sehitlik Mosque, Berlin's biggest, has been attacked four times this year, and the al-Nur mosque attacked once. Neither attack caused injury or serious damage. The attacks remain unsolved. Neuendorf says it's not clear if they are connected |
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| Deleted User | Dec 9 2010, 07:49 PM Post #2 |
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looks like the german people have had enough as well |
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| MissM | Dec 9 2010, 07:52 PM Post #3 |
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When will they realise that we've ALL had enough? ! |
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| Deleted User | Dec 9 2010, 07:55 PM Post #4 |
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It's not surprising that this sort of thing will happen. |
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| ste-plaza | Dec 9 2010, 07:56 PM Post #5 |
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Terrible news I’m both shocked and appalled. Peace Ste |
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| Deleted User | Dec 9 2010, 08:00 PM Post #6 |
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its REALLY getting to the point where its going to go off in europe big time,probobly after the next terror attack,all because of weak liberal governments. im sure thats what they want tho ,so then they can impose stricter rule and military law...communist agenda. islam is incompaitable with the western world AND they know it. |
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| Deleted User | Dec 9 2010, 08:06 PM Post #7 |
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good point mate |
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| astonp | Dec 9 2010, 08:10 PM Post #8 |
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i cant help but get the feeling that the majority of the world (security/intelligence services, normal people, everyone but the bloody govts) are just waiting for the trigger of world war 3. Sad really, especially seeing as it only needs the spineless feckers in charge to take action now. |
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| prestonfootpatrol | Dec 9 2010, 08:13 PM Post #9 |
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well said mate |
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| Bob England | Dec 9 2010, 08:14 PM Post #10 |
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And its gonna get worse!
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| Deleted User | Dec 9 2010, 08:16 PM Post #11 |
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it looks like the German people have really had enough, its only a matter of time before it really kicks off here and the rest of Europe |
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| Deleted User | Dec 9 2010, 08:17 PM Post #12 |
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"Berlin mosque bombed" (sigh)........never mind, eh? |
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| stevenp | Dec 9 2010, 08:30 PM Post #13 |
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agreed mate ,lets all hold our breaths over christmas as its the favourite time of year for the scum to attack our beautiful lands.If a big attack takes place ........who knows what will happen. |
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| 1882 | Dec 9 2010, 08:40 PM Post #14 |
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While I understand the frustration there can never be any justification for violence! |
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| Deleted User | Dec 9 2010, 08:57 PM Post #15 |
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You have hit it right on the nail there .... I have always been gratefull for being born in peace time ...but lately I fear this may not be for long if action is not taken now instead of them hiding their heads in the sand believing nothing is wrong ! WAKE UP FOR ALL OUR SAKES .................Before it's too late
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| lionsingh | Dec 9 2010, 10:20 PM Post #16 |
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Thats bad firebombing a mosque...especially in Germany. it destroys our message..... How to turn normal Germans away from the EDL message. |
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| Deleted User | Dec 9 2010, 10:25 PM Post #17 |
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Marshmellows are nice burnished over a fire, or even a couple of frankfurters! |
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| brummiebluenose | Dec 9 2010, 10:32 PM Post #18 |
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burn them all for me to the ground with them in it
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| Deleted User | Dec 10 2010, 12:24 AM Post #19 |
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I think it's really bad too. IMO EDL is about stopping this kind of thing from happening. I don't think most muslims have a clue about the history of their religion, or about what islamic states are like, or about what sharia is about. It's the 10,000 muslims who go to Hizb ut Tahrir conferences who are the problem. And the UAF/Galloway who whip up muslim crowds to riot. Random (and not so random) acts of violence are not the solution. |
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| desade | Dec 10 2010, 01:22 AM Post #20 |
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A taste of things to come methinks. No Fcuking Surrender Ever. |
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| Deleted User | Dec 10 2010, 03:06 AM Post #21 |
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It's completely unrelated to the EDL. |
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| Bleeding_Through | Dec 10 2010, 11:19 AM Post #22 |
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I think you hit the nail on the head right there. In that no matter what, Islam itself is incompatible with the west. It just won't work. Only way it will work is if Islam evolves or the West devolves. I for one am not going back to the 15th century. Now before my post gets picked apart, would like to say Islam itself cannot evolve as its all there in the book. Just like the old testament (some pretty brutal sh1t in their). However the practicioners of the religion can evolve the religion, to become compatible with the west. Many muslims live peacefully and happily in the west with their "evolved" version of islam. Some would say these are not "true" muslims, as has been argued on these boards many times. But if we look at california for example, were gay marriage is allowed by some Christian churches. As far as im aware the old testament would condem this. However there has been an evolution to modern times in that some churches allow it. Now if most muslims can not take the quran literally ( i know many do) then Islam could in some form become compatible with the West. On the counter argument however. Would also like to say it would be foolish of us to not consider those "moderate muslims" not to be true muslims. As for e.g we see a goth walking down the street. He feels like a goth and acts like a goth. But maybe he doesent fit the exact definition of a goth, so therefore is not considered/classified as a goth. But end of the day in some form he still identifies as that. Same goes for muslims. They may not be living true to islam, but they still identify themselves as muslims (and quite often or not islam supercedes all other law and order). We may find ourselves with alot of non muslims on our hands declaring Jihad of us. Give you an example from a clip I watched on you tube once by a Saudi preacher, describing some liberal muslims in Europe. (could have been propaganda, but still highlights an interesting point) Several liberal muslims were in a house drinking and doing drugs. Owner of the house leaves to get some more beers. While gone the others get onto talking politics religion and whatever. While drunk one of the men come out with a statement denouncing the prophet mohammed. There is a fight and the man runs out the house back home. The owner of the house comes back, sees his house destroyed, and asks what happened. He learns that the other man defiled the prophet in his house. Owner, picks up a knife, goes round to the other mans house and stabs him. Now the problem with still having islamic roots is one day something can click inside them and turn against us. For example "sid" khan. One of the 7/7 bombers. Its like my dog. He is sweet and lovely, had him for over a year. But every so often, I see he has the capability to bite me. Now how is it I myself am saying this? Iam the one with the muslim father remember? Well how is it this "dormant islam" is not inside me? Well my answer to this, is from a very young age, I have been brought up in a predominately english area. My brief teachings on islam were trivial things, like "dont kill spiders" and things like that. From young I was always taught this is my country this is my home. My indendity from very young was British. Note the muslims most like us are those with similar experiences. Now Just like the americans did with the red indians, is from a young age we need to strip them of any other identity other than the British identity. Or at the very least try and get these messages across. Most terrorists in Europe and U.S.A are all home grown. If they had felt the same way I do, they would not have tried to do what they did. Another long post apologies all. Its how I reason through my thought process. By getting it all down on paper. or comp screen. Probably quite a few flaws in what ive said, but will grapple with some of the ideas after. |
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| Deleted User | Dec 10 2010, 11:54 AM Post #23 |
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No need to apologise for these long posts. They are useful and informative. I find the "red indians" example depressing and not quite appropriate - after all, it was their land that the europeans were invading. However, in our case we have had a dereliction of duty on the part of our leaders who not only invited into europe a religion that has the longest history of warring with europe. In Britain in particular the authorities continued to welcome in seriously dangerous terrorists -- islamic extremists who were wanted in muslim countries for the crimes they had committed there. These dangerous individuals were then allowed to trigger more radicalism, separatism and hostility among British muslims. The reformation you talk about between the Old Testament and modern day christian churches in California permitting gay marriages not only took thousands of years (and many deaths), it is also an extremely odd (as in, unusual) example. Most christian churches in the west will still not permit gay marriages. Indeed, in our own country we do not have gay "marriage" but "civil partnership", largely because all manner of relgious leaders (christians, muslims) opposed the extension of the term marriage. The only hope I see is for a new inclusive identity to be forged, having at its core patriotism and loyalty to one's fellow countrymen first and foremost, far beyond any loyalty to those other people scattered across the globe who share the same desert religion. I don't even believe it is possible to forge this new identity as a pan-european thing. Our affinity with other europeans is just too weak to support this identity. And within our national boundary, I don't see any organisation but EDL trying to create this new identity. Multi-culturalism has been a large part of the problem - as it has just encouraged immigrants and particularly muslims to keep apart (their religion shares some responsibility for their lack of integration). To me, attacks on mosques or on people are a sign we are failing. I'm glad to see that at least these attacks in this story are happening outside the UK. But they just make me feel even more the urgency with which this new identity has to be forged. |
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| UK-Jack | Dec 10 2010, 12:18 PM Post #24 |
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Although it's wrong, I can understand why people feel the need to take things into their own hands especially when the government turn a blind eye. NS |
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| Deleted User | Dec 10 2010, 12:27 PM Post #25 |
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Exactly. |
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| General Pershing | Dec 10 2010, 12:58 PM Post #26 |
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This is really sad news. How did that fire go out so quickly? |
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| Deleted User | Dec 10 2010, 02:22 PM Post #27 |
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I can't agree with "a new inclusive identity". How are we supposed to 're-determine' or 're-identify' who we are? To even attempt this, something in our present identity will have to go. Our identity is who we are. I have no intention of changing my (national or cultural) identity because of a failed grotesque social experiment orchestrated by un-elected bureaucrats in another country. THEY can fcuk off. *Not you, HS, you're a good 'un! |
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| Coventry | Dec 10 2010, 02:26 PM Post #28 |
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if the government(s) ignore the threats and extemists amongst its communities people will take the law into their own hands |
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| desade | Dec 11 2010, 12:17 AM Post #29 |
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Agree with Christine Patriot 100%. England till I die. NFSE. |
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| tektwo | Dec 11 2010, 12:29 AM Post #30 |
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Although I don't agree with Islam I don't think it is right to firebomb a Mosque for no reason. If this place was a hotbed of radical's, or the Imam was advocating something nasty then it makes sense. But if this is just a run of the mill mosque these kind of attack's hurt our cause more than they help. They just rally people to there defense. Attack's like this should not be made out of hate, they should be made out of logic. Pick logical targets. |
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"The true Islamic concept of peace goes something like this:'Peace comes through submission to Muhammad and his concept of Allah'(i.e. Islam). As such the Islamic concept of peace, meaning making the whole world Muslim, is actually a mandate for war. It was inevitable and unavoidable that the conflict would eventually reach our borders, and so it has." - Vernon Richards Nizom, Novil, Ne'haveh Dugma VeNenaze'ah - We shall Innovate, Lead, Set an Example and Win. - My Paratrooper Unit Motto | |
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| a fresh start | Dec 11 2010, 12:35 AM Post #31 |
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a racist attack on a mosque was pepetrated in stoke-on-trent last week. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-stoke-staffordshire-11911441 i didnt know it was racist to set fire to a mosque. when will people learn the true meaning of the word racism?!?!?! |
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