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Immigration; Thorny subject ?
Topic Started: Dec 9 2010, 06:24 AM (142 Views)
straightliner
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The UK has had a pretty relaxed attitude towards people from other countries coming here to live for a long time. I know that this is a contentious issue due to the "racist nazi" label being pinned on pretty much anyone that questions the long standing open door policy. Is there anyone here that thinks that this has now run its course and that we should look at it again ?
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I'm pretty sure about everyone here regardless of what country they are from is sick of an open door policy on immigration. It has done nothing positive for us at all. The same case is repeated in any country you want to look at.
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straightliner
Dec 9 2010, 06:24 AM
The UK has had a pretty relaxed attitude towards people from other countries coming here to live for a long time. I know that this is a contentious issue due to the "racist nazi" label being pinned on pretty much anyone that questions the long standing open door policy. Is there anyone here that thinks that this has now run its course and that we should look at it again ?
It,s only contentious because idiot politicians allowed it to get out of control. They were helped of course by left wing, labour, pc fools and all the idiots who did not have the brain power to see what would happen and indeed has.

I don,t give a toss if i,m seen as a racist. The fact is the country is already over populated and will only get worse in a very short space of time. All of our services are at bursting point and what does Cameron say? "Labour allowed 100,s of thousands of immigrants in, we will reduce that to 10,s of thousands"
TENS OF THOUSANDS??? They do have babies Mr Cameron, you do know that don,t you?

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straightliner
Dec 9 2010, 06:24 AM
The UK has had a pretty relaxed attitude towards people from other countries coming here to live for a long time. I know that this is a contentious issue due to the "racist nazi" label being pinned on pretty much anyone that questions the long standing open door policy. Is there anyone here that thinks that this has now run its course and that we should look at it again ?
"The UK has had a pretty relaxed attitude."

Hm, "the UK" cant have any attitude because its an abstract noun, people have attitudes.

In fact opinion surveys over decades have shown that the majority of UK citizens dont have a 'relaxed' attitude about mass immigration - far from it!

However those who compose 'the ruling elite' have had not just a 'relaxed' attitide, but an ideologically driven fanatical attitude in favour of mass immigration!

The unusual thing is that the left & the right, each committed to a different ideology, have converged in agreement on the agenda of mass immigration.

The right sees it as essential to its dream of 'the free market' ('the single market'), everything summed up in the term 'globailsation', a flexible pool of cheap labour, etc.

The left sees it as essential to its dream of creating a 'trans-national', 'multi-cultural', multi-ethnic utopia.

So every party across europe from the moderate right to the far left has pursued the same policy of encouraging mass immigration, only parties of the 'far right' have opposed it & they have been easily discredited as 'racist', 'xenophobic'.

Meanwhile the ordinary people of europe have had to grin & bear it, without any effective political representation of their views.
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Definitely no open door policy. The prediction is in 10 years we will have 70+ million people which will be more than France or Germany and we have far less land space than either of those countries. The real worry is are the numbers allowed in for asylum purposes. Certainly, compassion for some who are genuinely in need for a limited time but not permanent residency and if they have passed through other safe countries to get here before asking for asylum then, in my view they have no case and I understand that also is what the asylum laws state although I suspect it is often not applied. Also a law similar to that in Germany whereby being born in that country doesn't automatically make you a German citizen and immigrants convicted of a serious crime means automatic deportation at the end of the sentence, certainly for adults and in very serious cases for children as well.
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Dec 9 2010, 07:09 AM
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It,s only contentious because idiot politicians allowed it to get out of control. They were helped of course by left wing, labour, pc fools and all the idiots who did not have the brain power to see what would happen and indeed has.
Immigration has been encouraged under Tory as well as Labour governments. Even Enoch Powell oversaw large numbers of Commonwealth migrants taking jobs in the NHS during the early 1960s (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enoch_Powell).
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We are still paying the price of once having an Empire. The sooner we stop being the munificent motherland to so much of the 3rd world the better.

Being part of he EU has only made matters worse, and heaven help us if Turkey is given membership.

A sponge can only soak up so much water, the UK if you liken it to a sponge cannot soak up any more water whatsoever. Immigration must stop immediately.
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I think it depends on two things: economic necessity and willingness to integrate.

In the long term we should be training our young people so they can take the jobs which are being given to better qualified immigrants at the moment. We also need to reform our employment laws so employers can't use immigrants as a source of cheap labour.

We should abandon trendy multiculturalism and force people to integrate: by that I mean no translations of council documents, compulsion to speak English, attending the same schools as white children without demanding separate classrooms or whatever. Some groups are more willing to integrate than others, I would say in the following order:
- Western Europeans and white Commonwealth
- West Indians and black Commonwealth
- Eastern Europeans
- Indians (Hindus and Sikhs)
- Orientals

It's only the special ones who have the biggest issue with integrating.
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Dec 9 2010, 07:09 AM
It,s only contentious because idiot politicians allowed it to get out of control. They were helped of course by left wing, labour, pc fools and all the idiots who did not have the brain power to see what would happen and indeed has.

I don,t give a toss if i,m seen as a racist. The fact is the country is already over populated and will only get worse in a very short space of time. All of our services are at bursting point and what does Cameron say? "Labour allowed 100,s of thousands of immigrants in, we will reduce that to 10,s of thousands"
TENS OF THOUSANDS??? They do have babies Mr Cameron, you do know that don,t you?


Yes, for the above reasons.

Well said, RDG.
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Dec 9 2010, 12:10 PM
I think it depends on two things: economic necessity and willingness to integrate.

In the long term we should be training our young people so they can take the jobs which are being given to better qualified immigrants at the moment. We also need to reform our employment laws so employers can't use immigrants as a source of cheap labour.

We should abandon trendy multiculturalism and force people to integrate: by that I mean no translations of council documents, compulsion to speak English, attending the same schools as white children without demanding separate classrooms or whatever. Some groups are more willing to integrate than others, I would say in the following order:
- Western Europeans and white Commonwealth
- West Indians and black Commonwealth
- Eastern Europeans
- Indians (Hindus and Sikhs)
- Orientals

It's only the special ones who have the biggest issue with integrating.
jobs are not bein take by immigrants that are better qualified at all coz there far from being better qualified thats a excuse the government use and its a bag of sh1t.

The trouble in this country is every one wonts to push pens so are university are full of thousands and thousands of people studying for jobs that just ain,t there at the end of it, and half of the subjects should be learnt on the job via a appreterships there is totally no need for anyone that wants to be a plumber, macanic, joiner, ect etc etc to go to college what so ever. and its down to the attitude of the schools, teachers are under the impression that everyone should push a pen for a living which is totally wrong, kids should be seperated at primary school age? Them that are good with there hands and them that are good with there brains and all your future manual workers should move in a different direction and learn manual skills to get them ready for the job market

and the job markets have been damaged by your trade unions and your likes who have been creating jobs for the boys for many many years and its your numpters from the colleges that these jobs have been created for, one of the other problems is stupid employment and health and safety laws that have been taken right over the top thats crippled our manifactor sector to an extent that we can not long compete with the rest of the world, just one of the things that really gets on my tits is paternity pay i mean whats this about.? This is the kind of thing that immigrants don,t get also you can sack an immigrant anytime you like and theres no come backs unlike a British worker
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Thought this sums it up nicely!

http://www.stourbridgenews.co.uk/news/8729177.Tory_councillor_under_pressure_amid__racist__email_row/
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