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Jihad/ I'd rather watch TV; Unbelievable...
Topic Started: Dec 8 2010, 11:57 AM (213 Views)
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A Saudi man in the capital, Riyadh, watches a TV broadcast of a speech by Barack Obama. Saudis are watching more US sitcoms, dramas and chatshows as their interest in the outside world surges, according to the WikiLeaks cables. Photograph: Hassan Ammar/AP

Satellite broadcasts of the US TV shows Desperate Housewives and Late Show With David Letterman are doing more to persuade Saudi youth to reject violent jihad than hundreds of millions of dollars of US government propaganda, informants have told the American embassy in Jeddah.

Broadcast uncensored and with Arabic subtitles alongside sitcoms such as Friends on Saudi Arabia's MBC 4 channel, the shows are being allowed as part of the kingdom's "war of ideas" against extremist elements. According to a secret cable titled "David Letterman: Agent of Influence", they have been proving more effective than Washington's main propaganda tool, the US-funded al-Hurra TV news channel.

Al-Hurra has shown lengthy interviews with US politicians, including George Bush, but has run into problems with locally hired journalists. On one occasion it broadcast a call to arms against Israel by Hezbollah, which was not the plan when the channel was launched across the Middle East in 2004 after the Iraq invasion.

Diplomats said they believed the allure of actors such as Eva Longoria, Jennifer Aniston and David Schwimmer meant commercial TV had a far greater impact than al-Hurra which, according to one report, has cost US taxpayers up to $500m (£316m).

"It's still all about the war of ideas here, and the American programming on MBC and Rotana [a channel part-owned by Rupert Murdoch's News Corporation] is winning over ordinary Saudis in a way that al-Hurra and other US propaganda never could," two Saudi media executives told a US official in a meeting at a Jeddah branch of Starbucks. "Saudis are now very interested in the outside world and everybody wants to study in the US if they can. They are fascinated by US culture in a way they never were before," the May 2009 cable says.

The popularity of the channels is particularly surprising given Rotana broadcasts Fox News, the rightwing News Corp channel that takes a hard line against Islamic radicalism and has strongly supported US military intervention in the Middle East.

A senior al-Arabiya news channel director said US programming on MBC 4 and MBC 5 had become the most popular in Saudi Arabia and "told us that this programming is also very popular in remote, conservative corners of the country, where he said 'you no longer see Bedouins, but kids in western dress' who are now interested in the outside world".

The diplomats told Washington that certain themes in American movies seemed to appeal to the Saudi audience: heroic honesty in the face of corruption (George Clooney in Michael Clayton), supportive behaviour in relationships (an unspecified drama that was repeated during an Eid holiday featuring an American husband dealing with a drunk wife who smashed cars and crockery when she wasn't assaulting him and their child), and respect for the law over self-interest (Al Pacino and Robin Williams in Insomnia).

In further evidence of the advance of US media in Saudi Arabia, the same cable revealed that one of Rupert Murdoch's sons held talks with the board of al-Eqtisadiah, a Saudi Arabian daily newspaper, about a deal to publish an Arabic version of the Wall Street Journal. The meeting was said to have been called at the behest of Prince Alwaleed bin Talal, a billionaire businessman and shareholder in News Corporation. The 35% Bin Talal-owned SRMG media group, which owns al-Eqtisadiah, was also trying to win a contract to publish the International Herald Tribune uncensored in Saudi Arabia, the cable reveals.
and from this day forward, as we have right from the start, come wind and rain, we won't complain, we'll continue to march. We'll be there in our numbers, We'll make our voices heard, to defend our land from hate preachers, counter there every word. demo days and meet and greets, serious but fun, and at the end of everything, with victory over scum, you'll here us cheers, OI get us a beer, our hard work here is done.


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Thing is. I did a report in my last year of university on my American politics unit. One of the points I was arguing, is that Western media such as film, television etc is a much better tool at bridging gaps with the middle east. Give them an insight into our culture, other than what their sheikhs and imams say. I still stand by the fact that down the line in the future, the Saudis are going to see a big cultural revolution. I see the way their youth are when they are over here. Its very hard once you have tasted our freedoms, to then go back to a repressive society. This is why I also strongly believe our struggle in the west will also be won. The main reason is it is a fundamental human need to be free. Once you have tasted it, nothing else will do.
but as history has taught us. Freedom is never free.
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The only reason they watch desperate housewives and fashion TV is that is the nearest they have to porn !!!
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Dec 8 2010, 12:46 PM
The only reason they watch desperate housewives and fashion TV is that is the nearest they have to porn !!!
When I was a teenager i.e 13. I knew a kurdish kid that would wack off to lingerie catalouges, because he couldnt access porn in his house.
Edited by Bleeding_Through, Dec 8 2010, 12:48 PM.
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Dec 8 2010, 12:48 PM
lionsingh
Dec 8 2010, 12:46 PM
The only reason they watch desperate housewives and fashion TV is that is the nearest they have to porn !!!
When I was a teenager i.e 13. I knew a kurdish kid that would wack off to lingerie catalouges, because he couldnt access porn in his house.
Didnt we all do that ? :$

Fashion TV is really one of the top channels.
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Dec 8 2010, 12:50 PM
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Dec 8 2010, 12:48 PM
lionsingh
Dec 8 2010, 12:46 PM
The only reason they watch desperate housewives and fashion TV is that is the nearest they have to porn !!!
When I was a teenager i.e 13. I knew a kurdish kid that would wack off to lingerie catalouges, because he couldnt access porn in his house.
Didnt we all do that ? :$

Fashion TV is really one of the top channels.
Lool. Nah I was the tall kid. So I was championed to reach on the top shelf and buy the dirty mags. Unfortunately my mother found them under my bed one day. Now that was an embarrassing moment. But back to the subject. IF all you see day in day out are walking bin bags. Then suddenly you see eva longoria on your screen........
We should send her over to saudi arabia. They will be screaming God bless America quicker than they can finish whacking off.
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They must really be frustrated. perhaps we should set up a charity to send used fashion mags to saudi and Tower hamlets....you know..help them give themselves a hand up. ?
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Dec 8 2010, 12:07 PM
Thing is. I did a report in my last year of university on my American politics unit. One of the points I was arguing, is that Western media such as film, television etc is a much better tool at bridging gaps with the middle east. Give them an insight into our culture, other than what their sheikhs and imams say. I still stand by the fact that down the line in the future, the Saudis are going to see a big cultural revolution. I see the way their youth are when they are over here. Its very hard once you have tasted our freedoms, to then go back to a repressive society. This is why I also strongly believe our struggle in the west will also be won. The main reason is it is a fundamental human need to be free. Once you have tasted it, nothing else will do.
but as history has taught us. Freedom is never free.
The downside to them seeing what the outside world has to offer though, is that instead

of challenging the regimes that rule them, and forcing change, they take the lazy way out and come

and live here, where it is all laid out on a plate for them, thanks to our people fighting for centuries

against our own dictatorial regimes!!!
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Dec 8 2010, 12:46 PM
The only reason they watch desperate housewives and fashion TV is that is the nearest they have to porn !!!
:D :D
i laughed so much i nearly choked on my chocolate hob-nob


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Dec 8 2010, 12:46 PM
The only reason they watch desperate housewives and fashion TV is that is the nearest they have to porn !!!

That's pretty close!

I wached a little Saudi TV while I was over there and it was......crap! Shows were heavily edited without exception to remove all signs of women driving, dancing, revealing arms and so on and then there was the constant interuption for prayer calls, Mad Mullah waffle etc., hardly the envy of the world!

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Dec 8 2010, 12:50 PM
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Dec 8 2010, 12:48 PM
lionsingh
Dec 8 2010, 12:46 PM
The only reason they watch desperate housewives and fashion TV is that is the nearest they have to porn !!!
When I was a teenager i.e 13. I knew a kurdish kid that would wack off to lingerie catalouges, because he couldnt access porn in his house.
Didnt we all do that ? :$

Fashion TV is really one of the top channels.
thats not a kurdish thing :D
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Saudi Arabia is a country of two halves.

One half is millitant muslim with all the trimmings .... no alcohol, women coverd up, amputation as a punnishment!
The other half is basically western living with booze, easy female access and tolerant values!

The second half is only available if you meet certain requirements, such as being a foreign national or a member of the royal fammily. Being a saudi royal gives you acces to power as well as a large amount of money.
If you were a Saudi royal would you be willing to give up any of your advantages?

According to willi leaks Saudi is the biggest single sponsor of terrorism in the world!

If I thaught it would make a difference I would personally be shipping porn there myself!





Some of the other countries however ......
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Dec 8 2010, 12:07 PM
Thing is. I did a report in my last year of university on my American politics unit. One of the points I was arguing, is that Western media such as film, television etc is a much better tool at bridging gaps with the middle east. Give them an insight into our culture, other than what their sheikhs and imams say. I still stand by the fact that down the line in the future, the Saudis are going to see a big cultural revolution. I see the way their youth are when they are over here. Its very hard once you have tasted our freedoms, to then go back to a repressive society. This is why I also strongly believe our struggle in the west will also be won. The main reason is it is a fundamental human need to be free. Once you have tasted it, nothing else will do.
but as history has taught us. Freedom is never free.
A large percentage of Iranian youths are the same and want that taste of western life,just a shame that Europe has to but up with fcukers who want to live by the koran or creat there own gang culture.
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