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Ali threw 2 bricks at a pub.....; brainless bombers
Topic Started: Dec 8 2010, 02:16 AM (873 Views)
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Ali's friend, threw a petrol bomb, the petrol bomb hit Ali, Ali caught fire, Ali panicked and ran into a lamp post and knocked himself out.

Sounds like a comedy sketch right?

A bungling would-be petrol bomber from north London who was caught by police after he ran into a lamp post and needed medical treatment has been jailed for eight years.
Amir Ali, 28, and another unidentified man attempted to petrol bomb the Imperial pub in Broadfield, Crawley, West Sussex, in the early hours of May 28 2008, a spokeswoman for Sussex Police said.
Ali threw two bricks, breaking a window, while the other man threw the petrol bomb, which accidentally hit Ali and burst into flames.
The flames died away almost immediately but in his panic he ran straight into a lamp post and hit his head, the spokeswoman added.
He then went to the Crawley walk-in medical centre for treatment to his head injury and was linked to the attack by investigating officers.
Ali, of Ridge Road, north London, denied the offence but forensic and CCTV evidence helped bring him to justice.
He was found guilty of attempting to without lawful excuse, damage by fire the pub in August before being sentenced at Hove Crown Court today.
Detective Constable Craig Allan said: "This was a prolonged and difficult investigation during which the defendant consistently denied being responsible.
"However, gradually we were able to piece it all together and today's sentence reflects the seriousness with which the courts take this kind of behaviour."
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So then, unlike the youths in the recent 'mosque incident' this guy (I'm assuming muslim because of his name) was NOT charged with a "racist attack" - or even a 'pubist'/'alcoholist' attack. Need I really say more?

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Dec 8 2010, 02:33 AM
Hahaha what an idiot! :D
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He wasn't charge for a racist attack? Now, why am I not surprised?

Can you imagine the fallout if one of us fire bombed a Muslim community centre?
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So then, unlike the youths in the recent 'mosque incident' this guy (I'm assuming muslim because of his name) was NOT charged with a "racist attack" - or even a 'pubist'/'alcoholist' attack. Need I really say more?


dont be silly its cant be racist cause we are english we're ment to just accpet it and act like nothing happend ;)

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hahahahahaha fcuking idiot
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What was the explanation for this attempted arson attack?
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What a blithering idiot, pmsl.

(well spotted Christine!)
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the smurk on his face just suggest the lack of brain in his skull.
'Pretend this says something witty and funny, but not to funny otherwise that wouldnt be cool'

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Man, you couldn't make this stuff up. Shame he didn't get DNA tested and shipped back to origin !
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Was he auditioning for the sequel to Chris Morris's Four Lions?

It was clearly the will of Allah that this numpty showed us the true values of the religion of peace.
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Dec 8 2010, 03:55 AM
What was the explanation for this attempted arson attack?
Intimidate and clear the public houses, churches and local ameneties, turn them into mosques, community, and cultural centres I would hazard to guess.
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Yes an idiot ...but a dangerous one ...well done to the Sussex Police for staying with this one and getting a result preventing the little git from trying again.
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What was the explanation for this attempted arson attack?
Intimidate and clear the public houses, churches and local ameneties, turn them into mosques, community, and cultural centres I would hazard to guess.
spot on in my book
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i thought you meant our ali for a min...i thought she'd not been on much lately :O
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An attack on a mosque is a racist attack because you are attacking a place of worship.

An attack on a pub is not a racist attack because it's just a pub... he hasn't targeted a ethnic group, just a pub.
Edited by Zcott, Dec 8 2010, 09:22 AM.
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In Muslim communities cousins marry cousins.
The picture we are looking at is the result. Probably got an IQ of about 75 (and even thats on a day when he's eaten fish)
Edited by Fritz, Dec 8 2010, 09:22 AM.
Goodbye guys and gals. We gave it a try. Immigration worked with everyone else. Just not muslims. No hard feelings. Have a nice life, just have it somewhere else.
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What was the explanation for this attempted arson attack?
Intimidate and clear the public houses, churches and local ameneties, turn them into mosques, community, and cultural centres I would hazard to guess.
or even a curry house. Alot of pubs have become curry houses. This guy is probably just a tool paid by someone else. He obviously isn't too bright, and no offence to the guy but he has that kind of "fresh of the boat face". Most likely some "respectable" businessman or "religious leader" paid him to torch it. And then make an offer for the land or something.
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Dec 8 2010, 08:52 AM
i thought you meant our ali for a min...i thought she'd not been on much lately :O
Was thinking that yesterday clee.........seems strange normally never off
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another racist attack!!
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was it an insurance job?...
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An attack on a mosque is a racist attack because you are attacking a place of worship.

An attack on a pub is not a racist attack because it's just a pub... he hasn't targeted a ethnic group, just a pub.
So islam is a race, is it?
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ANOTHER PLUM FROM THE CREAM PUFF BRIGADE
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If anyone local can find out the prison he was sent to im sure he would get a warm welcome,a job in the greenhouse would suit him me thinks ;)
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Dec 8 2010, 10:37 AM
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An attack on a mosque is a racist attack because you are attacking a place of worship.

An attack on a pub is not a racist attack because it's just a pub... he hasn't targeted a ethnic group, just a pub.
So islam is a race, is it?
Racism falls under discrimination towards those of a different skin colour or religion.

If you attack a church/mosque/Gurdwara/synagogue is attacked it is considered racist.
If you attack a pub... you attack a pub. If a christian attacked a pub no one would be saying it's a racist attack. -_-
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An attack on a mosque is a racist attack because you are attacking a place of worship.

An attack on a pub is not a racist attack because it's just a pub... he hasn't targeted a ethnic group, just a pub.
So islam is a race, is it?
Racism falls under discrimination towards those of a different skin colour or religion.

If you attack a church/mosque/Gurdwara/synagogue is attacked it is considered racist.
If you attack a pub... you attack a pub. If a christian attacked a pub no one would be saying it's a racist attack. -_-
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racism [ˈreɪsɪzəm], racialism [ˈreɪʃəˌlɪzəm]
n
1. (Sociology) the belief that races have distinctive cultural characteristics determined by hereditary factors and that this endows some races with an intrinsic superiority over others
2. (Sociology) abusive or aggressive behaviour towards members of another race on the basis of such a belief
racist , racialist n & adj
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Sorry. Just presenting the facts, here.
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thanks for that! that tickled me that did ha ha "this isn't my confused face, bruv" lol what a stunned get

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Racism falls under discrimination towards those of a different skin colour or religion.
And who is to say that the people in the pub were not all white, whilst the perpetrators of this arson were non-white.

Even when white people I know have gone to the police after being beaten up by a gang of muslims calling him "white cnut", the police have refused to record it as a racist crime.
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God Sussex i thought that was untouched.
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Racism falls under discrimination towards those of a different skin colour or religion.

If you attack a church/mosque/Gurdwara/synagogue is attacked it is considered racist.
If you attack a pub... you attack a pub. If a christian attacked a pub no one would be saying it's a racist attack. -_-
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racism [ˈreɪsɪzəm], racialism [ˈreɪʃəˌlɪzəm]
n
1. (Sociology) the belief that races have distinctive cultural characteristics determined by hereditary factors and that this endows some races with an intrinsic superiority over others
2. (Sociology) abusive or aggressive behaviour towards members of another race on the basis of such a belief
racist , racialist n & adj
Collins English Dictionary – Complete and Unabridged © HarperCollins Publishers 1991, 1994, 1998, 2000, 2003

Sorry. Just presenting the facts, here.
Charter of Fundamental Rights of the European Union, Article 21 of the charter prohibits discrimination on any ground such as race, color, ethnic or social origin, genetic features, language, religion or belief, political or any other opinion, membership of a national minority, property, disability, age or sexual orientation and also discrimination on the grounds of nationality. There is also laws in the UK saying attacks on religions are seen as racism.


And you, or wikipedia, even said it... "2. (Sociology) abusive or aggressive behaviour towards members of another race on the basis of such a belief"

These are the facts. :p
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Dec 8 2010, 11:31 AM
Zcott
Dec 8 2010, 11:09 AM
Racism falls under discrimination towards those of a different skin colour or religion.
And who is to say that the people in the pub were not all white, whilst the perpetrators of this arson were non-white.

Even when white people I know have gone to the police after being beaten up by a gang of muslims calling him "white cnut", the police have refused to record it as a racist crime.
A pub is not a place of worship. That's all im saying, an attack on a place of worship is racist but on a pub it is not... because it's only just a pub.

I know what you mean with the other part, attacks on whites are not considered racist attacks, I'm not denying that and quite frankly the law is stupid when it comes to that, but I was just talking about attacking a pub is not a racist attack.
Edited by Zcott, Dec 8 2010, 11:41 AM.
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Just attacking a pub isnt a racist attack. It would depend on the guys motives. But seems strange to me a Muslim man would try and petrol bomb a pub. Why not a supermarket or an office? A pub to me is a symbol of Britishness. Its just as much part of our culture as is a mosque to a muslim. I think it is this relation between our culture and pubs, that highlights this as a racist attack. His motives may have been different for all we know. He could have been refused entry and gone nuts, we don't actually know. But from what we have seen in the past, an attack on pubs by muslims usually has a racist motive. Funny thing is, when a group of teenagers do it to a mosque it is immediately, unquestionably labeled as racist. Its like its a given certainty. Maybe tommorow I will throw a brick through a mosque, just because I felt like vandalising something and that just happened to be the target of my fury. In my particular case I could probably weasel out of it by using my dual ethnicity. But this in itself is wrong, in that If a proper englishman did it, it would be classed as racist. This country is flawed. Completely and utterly flawed.
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The laws an ass.
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Dec 8 2010, 11:53 AM
A pub to me is a symbol of Britishness. Its just as much part of our culture as is a mosque to a muslim.
Agree 100%.
A meeting place, for the ordinary man in the street. Now closing at such a rate because of taxes imposed by government and the greed of supermarkets that undercut.

Makes me f'kin mad!
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racism [ˈreɪsɪzəm], racialism [ˈreɪʃəˌlɪzəm]
n
1. (Sociology) the belief that races have distinctive cultural characteristics determined by hereditary factors and that this endows some races with an intrinsic superiority over others
2. (Sociology) abusive or aggressive behaviour towards members of another race on the basis of such a belief
racist , racialist n & adj
Collins English Dictionary – Complete and Unabridged © HarperCollins Publishers 1991, 1994, 1998, 2000, 2003

Sorry. Just presenting the facts, here.
Charter of Fundamental Rights of the European Union, Article 21 of the charter prohibits discrimination on any ground such as race, color, ethnic or social origin, genetic features, language, religion or belief, political or any other opinion, membership of a national minority, property, disability, age or sexual orientation and also discrimination on the grounds of nationality. There is also laws in the UK saying attacks on religions are seen as racism.


And you, or wikipedia, even said it... "2. (Sociology) abusive or aggressive behaviour towards members of another race on the basis of such a belief"

These are the facts. :p
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Dec 8 2010, 11:31 AM
Zcott
Dec 8 2010, 11:09 AM
Racism falls under discrimination towards those of a different skin colour or religion.
And who is to say that the people in the pub were not all white, whilst the perpetrators of this arson were non-white.

Even when white people I know have gone to the police after being beaten up by a gang of muslims calling him "white cnut", the police have refused to record it as a racist crime.
A pub is not a place of worship. That's all im saying, an attack on a place of worship is racist but on a pub it is not... because it's only just a pub.

I know what you mean with the other part, attacks on whites are not considered racist attacks, I'm not denying that and quite frankly the law is stupid when it comes to that, but I was just talking about attacking a pub is not a racist attack.
OK. One last try.

"There is also laws in the UK saying attacks on religions are seen as racism. "
^ Let's be having a source for that, shall we?^

And.

racism [ˈreɪsɪzəm], racialism [ˈreɪʃəˌlɪzəm]
n
1. (Sociology) the belief that races have distinctive cultural characteristics determined by hereditary factors and that this endows some races with an intrinsic superiority over others
2. (Sociology) abusive or aggressive behaviour towards members of another race on the basis of such a belief
racist , racialist n & adj
Collins English Dictionary – Complete and Unabridged © HarperCollins Publishers 1991, 1994, 1998, 2000, 2003
^ not wikipedia, then?^

I think even the guy that ran into the lamp-post would realise that the "such a belief" in point 2, refers to the belief in point 1.
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Ugly clueless twat lol. Deport him, anywhere lol. NS
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An attack on a mosque is a racist attack because you are attacking a place of worship.

An attack on a pub is not a racist attack because it's just a pub... he hasn't targeted a ethnic group, just a pub.
i worship my local pub does that count
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Dec 8 2010, 02:16 AM
Ali's friend, threw a petrol bomb, the petrol bomb hit Ali, Ali caught fire, Ali panicked and ran into a lamp post and knocked himself out.

Sounds like a comedy sketch right?

A bungling would-be petrol bomber from north London who was caught by police after he ran into a lamp post and needed medical treatment has been jailed for eight years.
Amir Ali, 28, and another unidentified man attempted to petrol bomb the Imperial pub in Broadfield, Crawley, West Sussex, in the early hours of May 28 2008, a spokeswoman for Sussex Police said.
Ali threw two bricks, breaking a window, while the other man threw the petrol bomb, which accidentally hit Ali and burst into flames.
The flames died away almost immediately but in his panic he ran straight into a lamp post and hit his head, the spokeswoman added.
He then went to the Crawley walk-in medical centre for treatment to his head injury and was linked to the attack by investigating officers.
Ali, of Ridge Road, north London, denied the offence but forensic and CCTV evidence helped bring him to justice.
He was found guilty of attempting to without lawful excuse, damage by fire the pub in August before being sentenced at Hove Crown Court today.
Detective Constable Craig Allan said: "This was a prolonged and difficult investigation during which the defendant consistently denied being responsible.
"However, gradually we were able to piece it all together and today's sentence reflects the seriousness with which the courts take this kind of behaviour."
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Sorry, what a tool B-)
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:D :D :D :D Thanks for posting that mate. That has made my day. What a prize fucking tool. Didn't he know, petrol bombs play havoc with your night vision .



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:D :D :D :D Thanks for posting that mate. That has made my day. What a prize fcuking tool. :D :D




fcuking prick. Didn't he know, petrol bombs play havoc with your night vision.
I thought it was funny reading it. But watching it, i've pissed myself. :P :threadisworthless:
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:D :D :D :D Thanks for posting that mate. That has made my day. What a prize fcuking tool. :D :D




fcuking prick. Didn't he know, petrol bombs play havoc with your night vision.

Oh, Mr G, you've made me laugh with that vid on this otherwise desperate day - thankyou!
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:D :D :D :D Thanks for posting that mate. That has made my day. What a prize fcuking tool. :D :D




fcuking prick. Didn't he know, petrol bombs play havoc with your night vision.

Oh, Mr G, you've made me laugh with that vid on this otherwise desperate day - thankyou!
Your welcome Christine :D I'm glad it put a smile on your face after the shit day you've had. Chin up girl. :)
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an attack on a place of worship is racist
No. An attack on a MOSQUE is racist. An attack on any other place of worship is just vandalism/criminal damage/arson/burglary etc.

http://www.spenboroughguardian.co.uk/news/local/bibles_burnt_and_crosses_desecrated_in_birkenshaw_church_attack_1_2722923

Quote - Anyone with information about the vandalism, which occurred between 9pm on Sunday and 2pm on Monday should contact PC Keith Parkinson from the Batley NPT
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Thank fcuk the cavalry turned up. I'm right, aren't I?
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Thank fcuk the cavalry turned up. I'm right, aren't I?
Interesting one this. Zcott is speaking from a legal definition of racism, which as we all know is complete horsesh1t as per your definition of Racism El Greco. As far as I am concerned it is only a matter of time before someone challenges the definition of racism in relation to belief system and wins, because they should be 2 completely different entities.
So the comparison here is being made between islamists torching a pub and (believed) white youths torching a mosque. The latter being classed as a racist attack by the authorities and Zcott. I was pointing out that indeed it would appear that it is only attacks on mosques that are charged/portrayed as racist attacks and attacks on other religious buildings are not (there are dozens of other examples Zcott for info).
However, the problem with Zcott and the authorities legal definition of Racist attacks on any buildings, but in this case a mosque, is the following: What if the motivation of the perpertrators was in relation to parking problems or house price devaluation? Does that make it a racially motivated Arson or just an Arson??? What about if the arsonists were pyromaniacs, and were compulsed (is that a word?0 to burn the place down. These are just a few examples why it is ludicrous to label any attack on a mosque as racially motivated without having secondary evidence, witness statements and/or a suspect confession.
With regards the pub Arson, how do we know the intent of the offenders was not to burn down the pub because of its symbolism of things British and being anti-islamic in principle??
These examples, show how much of an ass the law is in relation to labelling offences racial without having supporting evidence, despite the fact that the authorities have included faith under the racism banner. I have heard it said, that if the victims perceptions are that the offence is racial, then that also means it is racial. Which once again is a joke. If you are beaten up by a gang for no reason, and your perception is that they were trying to kill you, would they be charged with attempt murder??? No. It would be assault.
I think that covers most angles being discussed here.
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If you attack a church/mosque/Gurdwara/synagogue is attacked it is considered racist.
http://www.thisisbristol.co.uk/news/Repeated-vandalism-church-disheartening/article-2969953-detail/article.html

http://www.yorkshirewired.co.uk/news.php/56748-Distress-over-Aberdeen-church-vandalism

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/scotland/tayside_and_central/8683340.stm
Quote - Vandals have torn the right arm from a figure of Christ on the cross outside a Catholic Church.
Human excrement was also smeared on the doorstep of St Mary's RC Church in Stirling some time between 0900 BST on Thursday and Friday morning

Churches attacked during 2010, every time vandalism cited. Not racist/racism.

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/article-23612225-synagogue-set-alight-during-rise-in-anti-semitic-attacks-in-london.do
No mention of racism for the islamic (likely) attacks on a synagogue.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2010/dec/04/teenagers-arrested-stoke-mosque-fire

Quote - Chief inspector Wayne Jones said: "We are treating this as a racist attack on a religious building."

Interestingly, when I did the 3 searches, for Churches, Synagogues and Mosques attacked in the UK, 2010, I got limited sources for the churches and even less for the Synagogues, more local/regional outfits reporting the churches and the Synagogues. However, with the mosque attacks, you had all the socialist/liberal nazi sites, UAF, Indymedia, The Guardian etc etc.
Zcott, don't get dragged in to the hype. At present what you are suggesting is that a white individual should be charged with a racially motivated attack on a church because of faith differences. Yet El Greco clearly provided a definition of what Racism is, where no reference is made to religious faith. This is why the law for Racist offences based on faith completely contradicts itself.
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Interesting reading all this, but the big question is, is the lamp post ok?

Great vid of it, made my very early morning!!!
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lol this just made my night... i can't stop laughing..
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:D :D :D :D Thanks for posting that mate. That has made my day. What a prize fcuking tool. Didn't he know, petrol bombs play havoc with your night vision .



pmsl, im nearly in tears watching that, what a fcuking clown
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