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| brawlad | Dec 7 2010, 03:54 PM Post #1 |
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The sharia-ists have made considerable inroads into our laws & customs because they have had specific demands which they have pushed & pushed for until granted, for example :- (1) changes in uk taxation law, in particular, to reduce the taxation on so-called 'sharia compliant' mortgages granted by G Brown (2) recognition of the decisions of so-called 'sharia tribunals' in areas of family & testatory law granted by the new labour (mis-)government (3) the spread of halal (ritually slaughtered) meat granted in a hidden way by Waitrose, Tesco, various restaurant chains, schools, etc (4) segregated swimming sessions in public baths granted by various local councils & so on. I wonder if the edl should not draw up a list of its demands to stop the creeping spread of sharia & if possible reverse it. Its demonstrations could then be targeted on achieving concrete results. For example, a targeted campaign against the compliant supermarket chains which are hoodwinking the public. Just a thought. |
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| Haribo666 | Dec 7 2010, 04:49 PM Post #2 |
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so wots up with the supermarket tescos are they hiding halal meat cud u please give me more details on the supermarkets tank you |
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| brawlad | Dec 7 2010, 04:51 PM Post #3 |
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heres a link - http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1315278/Top-supermarkets-secretly-sell-halal-Sainsburys-Tesco-Waitrose-M-S-dont-tell-meat-ritually-slaughtered.html |
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| infidel 9755 | Dec 7 2010, 04:52 PM Post #4 |
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theres a video on the main page http://www.englishdefenceleague.org/ |
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'islam should get what ever it demands, all criticism of it is racism' -Pat Condell Dont bite the hand that feeds you, it may punch you in the face. | |
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| Deleted User | Dec 7 2010, 05:08 PM Post #5 |
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Search the forum for 'halal' and the results may surprise you! |
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| waspish | Dec 7 2010, 05:41 PM Post #6 |
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Heres my list of demands. (just following the islamic way of asking niceley) the removal of all religious clothing jewelry and any kind of religious insignia across the board in all british schools, hospitals and all government buildings. The closure of all religion based schools. The teaching of any religion of any kind in all british schools until the age of 15 years to allow children the freedom to mix, form friendships and bond on a personal basis and not on terms laid out by twisted adults with an agenda to seperate people of any colour, race, or different ethnicityand religion. The outlawing of anyone under the age of 15 years to attend religious buildings, schools or any type of meeting place tied to any religion. the teaching to all children that religion is devisive, dangerous to mental health and is the cause of all wars down the ages. the banning of inward bound planes from any islamic nation on security grounds.outward planes carry passengers one way only. The vetting of any college by the police, (and any other security agents deemed necessary) before it is allowed to open its doors at all. and a yearly audit thereafter. the suspention of any persons passport who travels to any nation that is islamic, until they have been vetted on return for any possible links with terrorism. the banning of all religion from parliament in any respect including law making and block voting. the banning of foreign born people from holding more that 5 seats on any council. Warnings at the entrance of all food shops and restaurants that serve halal, cosher or any other religious based slaughter to give the people a choice of eating there. the banning of all forms of religious based food preparation in all public food outlets unless the outlet is fully compliant with warnings of such foods being served. the banning of all forms of female circumsision in britain of any kind unless it is a medical emergency to save a life, and only then after3 female doctors of none minority ethnicity agree with said surgery. all public houses to be restored to their original structural identity (ie turned back into pubs) and government subsidies to sell beer ar a reasonable price and at a raised age entry to 21 years. and finally. friday afternoons to be deemed public holidays to allow people to visit said pubs with all ethnicities to thrash out the wrongdoings of the government and to debate the offside rule and betting possibilities for the following day. all demands subject to altreration and last minute cancellation (as with all islamic demands) dont want to be seen to be favouring any section of society do we.... all laws subject to tongue being removed from cheek rules apply see small print for details. discuss........................... |
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| Deleted User | Dec 7 2010, 06:43 PM Post #7 |
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I like the pub one, can we have a ciggie in the pubs as well? |
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| waspish | Dec 7 2010, 06:50 PM Post #8 |
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oh yess yess yess........................... |
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| rita.ar | Dec 7 2010, 07:24 PM Post #9 |
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lol, some of them seem a tad extreme but then you go and play yer ace (subsidised beer) - think youll get voted for pm any day now |
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| Xboxgen | Dec 7 2010, 09:04 PM Post #10 |
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just started this thread that wasn't the same as this thread but definately inspired by it but it was immediately locked. which i'm not happy about due to it being a seperate deal. one is dealing with stratigy and one that deals simply with what is we are all hoping to gain. anyway nevermind that. I was just now reading EDL strategy. another thread here and I liked it. I'm just wondering if we are pretty much in agreement about what we hope to achieve by being part of the EDL. I'd like to reaffirm what our goals are exactly? unfortunately it falls onto us to reverse what already is. I think it is fair to say we all feel very uncomfortable about the Islamification of Great Britain and Europe and that it has already gone too far. understatment of the century I know but anyway. here is a short list off the top of my head. 1. Immediate closure of Sharia Courts. 2. No more purpose built mosques to be built on our soil? 3. Closure of insidious Muslim Faith Schools. 4. a ban on the Burka and other Islamic dress. 5. Deportation of immigrant Criminals. (Muslim or other) 6. Immediate ban on the practice of Halal butchering. please feel free to add and or ammend any aspect of this list and hopefully we will have a good draft by the end that we all can agree on. I was hoping to find some realistic and practical wants that need to take affect asap if we stand any chance of getting where we need to be as a country. sorry I wasn't allowed to keep this seperate. |
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| tektwo | Dec 7 2010, 09:12 PM Post #11 |
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"Warnings at the entrance of all food shops and restaurants that serve halal, cosher or any other religious based slaughter to give the people a choice of eating there." wait wait wait!! don't take away my Hebrew National hot dogs!! noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo! On a serious note, I don't think being broad is good. You need to pick something that resonates with most of your fellow countrymen. If you are too broad then you will be seen in a negative light. Start with something that really pisses the nation off, like Government money being spent on Islamic projects. Or Mosque's being able to have Sharia court's etc. Trust me, it'll hurt you to be too broad, if you come up with a big list of things you want to stop about Islam people will not take it seriously. Eventually as you gain momentum you refine the list. |
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"The true Islamic concept of peace goes something like this:'Peace comes through submission to Muhammad and his concept of Allah'(i.e. Islam). As such the Islamic concept of peace, meaning making the whole world Muslim, is actually a mandate for war. It was inevitable and unavoidable that the conflict would eventually reach our borders, and so it has." - Vernon Richards Nizom, Novil, Ne'haveh Dugma VeNenaze'ah - We shall Innovate, Lead, Set an Example and Win. - My Paratrooper Unit Motto | |
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| Xboxgen | Dec 7 2010, 09:25 PM Post #12 |
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def need to refine it. I got real nagging thought that it majorly important that england is no longer known as a Islamic friendly country. stop them swarming here for our benefits etc. but more than that. |
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| GumboPickles | Dec 7 2010, 09:32 PM Post #13 |
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That's one hell of a list there Waspish! Pretty extreme! You forgot the one about banning the word Islam in public!!
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| Deleted User | Dec 7 2010, 09:36 PM Post #14 |
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To add to the list; Stop any form of investment into a religious building from any country that is not a democracy and doesn't allow buildings of other faiths to be built in the country of origin. To stop overseas funding of terrorist by people in the U.K, no money is to be allowed to be transferred to a country which has been classified as hot bed for terrorism. Severe penalties and asset confiscation for breaches. A thorough audit of Charities to include Religions to show that money is not being paid to Islamic fronts of Terrorism or paid to banned countries. Immediate Withdrawal from the EU. Introduction of a British Citizen Charter and withdrawal from any human rights associations. The British Charter could be a loosely associated to such a Charter in the US or Canada. Stop all overseas funding. Introduction of I.D cards for a period of 5 years only and automatic repatriation of over-stayers and illegals. |
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| albionuk | Dec 7 2010, 09:38 PM Post #15 |
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strategy - seems like a good idea, when it's done give me a shout and let me know what it is! http://s1.zetaboards.com/EDL_The_Forum/topic/3868183/1/#new |
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| Quiet_Man | Dec 7 2010, 09:39 PM Post #16 |
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Few things we can press for. Child benefit only for first 2 kids, same with working tax credits etc. Stop paying them to breed. Marriage laws, no foreign brides brought in, they have to be here via a work visa, or they aren't coming at all. You want to marry your cousin, fine, but you renounce your citizenship and live with her where she lives. Immigrants, no benefits at all unless you've paid in for at least 4 years, no house, no medical, no dole, kids taken away and adopted if you can't keep them or you go home. No foreign monies for religious buildings, let the people here pay for it if they want one. Get rid of all translation services, you want to deal here, you need a translator, it'll cost you, all official documentation, one language, no exceptions. |
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| albionuk | Dec 7 2010, 10:09 PM Post #17 |
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Hi Group, I haven’t posted here for while as I have been busy in my role of keyboard warrior doing jihad on Muslim fora and fighting revolutions of Left Wing (UAF) fora. Just glancing through the recent posts I note a few post echoing things I said some months back about strategy (lack of it); direction (lack of it) and then I saw a thread started here asking what our goals were . . See here http://s1.zetaboards.com/EDL_The_Forum/topic/3983178/1/#new which lasted just one post before it was closed! Closed because ‘Ruby’ pointed out that it was asked in another thread. Indeed the question has been asked by me and others and I suspect it will continue to be asked until someone defines them. I have to say (with a heavy heart) that after arguing with heavyweight opposition in the opposing camps that the lack of professionalism screams out at me when I come back here. And I say that NOT because I want to p*** you off but because I want to encourage you towards greater things because I want more than anyone here for EDL to be successful - more successful. If some of those in charge here would spend more time trawling through the forums of the opposition instead of this echo chamber they might learn somethings of value. A few months back I sent links showing UAF strategies to counter EDL. Was that of any value, did anyone act on it, is anyone monitoring it – I don’t know? I hope that there’s a team in a back room somewhere with a master plan that is so good it must be kept secret – I hope that is the case but I worry that it is not! Before anyone thinks twice about suspecting my motives check out my previous posts. Edited by albionuk, Dec 7 2010, 10:10 PM.
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| lancastrian | Dec 7 2010, 10:38 PM Post #18 |
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Very good idea. Here's my starter for 10: 1. Implement the 2007 report recommendations banning halal slaughter. One law for all. 2. No exemptions to interest on student loans for muslims. Probably can't do too much about no interest mortgages as they are provided by commercial companies but they should be available to all otherwise it is discrimination. Again, one law for all. 3. Banning of the offensive terms kafir/kuffar from all published works in the UK. Let's push to make them as unacceptable as the N word now is in the States. 4. No acceptance of any part of Sharia law in the UK 5. Banning of all publications mentioning the execution of gays and/or questions such as "List the reprehensible qualities of Jews" as stated in the Saudi National Curriculum. Actually, already offences so lets have the existing law enforced as it would be if anyone here said it. Point 4 is really just wishful thinking right now but the others should be reasonable demands. Our slogan should be "One law for all" |
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| brawlad | Dec 8 2010, 03:36 PM Post #19 |
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I agree with this. Being pretty new here & not yet having been on a demonstration, im aware i risk being shot down in flames, but ... I also wonder what the present strategy is. Ive been reading what i can here & at facebook, & am still not clear. (1) What is the point of the series of demonstrations in different locations? What are they hoped to achieve? How will we know when they are achieving something? What will count as success? (2) Why are the gathering points pubs? Whats the thinking about walking along the street with cans of lager in hand? How does this play on the news? (3) When giving television interviews, is any thought given to the importance of appearance? Visual images cue the viewers responses. In the recent discussion between TR & a muslim, which of them looked 'moderate' & 'reasonable'? My tentative suggestions are - (a) starting a forum for sustained on-going discussion of objectives, strategy etc (as compared with chat about this, that & the other issue of the day) (b) creation, if it doesnt already exist, of a strategy group to hammer out proposals to then put to everyone at large (c) an informal opinion survey of supporters to discover the issues which most concern them, the manifestations of sharia & islamisation which they find most offensive, the objectives they want to see achieved Personally i think it would be good to agree a small number of simple concrete achievable objectives (eg demand that halal food to labeled as such), focus demos on these (eg supermarket headquarters & big stores), so that everyone, supporter & non-supporter, can see that something is being achieved. The shariaists (as i pointed out above) have achieved a lot by focusing on particular concrete demands. Edited by brawlad, Dec 8 2010, 03:43 PM.
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| patriotic | Dec 8 2010, 04:33 PM Post #20 |
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I think that the halal food issue would be one that a lot of people got behind. The public were outraged, and rightly so. It should be made very very clear which meat is halal and which is not. |
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| Deleted User | Dec 8 2010, 04:40 PM Post #21 |
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sorry if i sound stupid but does every one in the edl aganst hala meat ? |
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| Deleted User | Dec 8 2010, 04:59 PM Post #22 |
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Perhaps you'd like to offer your services in trawling through the net of our "Heavyweight opposition" and report back? So, since you have been away doing keyboard to keyboard warrioring with our professional enemies what can you report back? Let's get make your time away at battle constructive, where is the field report General? People do what they can, and to be honest do you feel you could have got things to this size in the time? I don't think so buddy, so be civil. Remember this stated as a street movement and will continue to be one whilst attracting different types of people as documented on here. Why don't you form a group that collates this info and feed it back to a mod or an admin? I missed the post about what the others are plotting against us so can you p.m me those I would really like to take a look. Thanks |
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| lancastrian | Dec 8 2010, 08:01 PM Post #23 |
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On one law for all, have just written to the DPP asking if a banner saying "British Soldiers Burn in Hell" constitutes a hate offence under 2006 Act and ditto if the word "Muslims" were substituted for "British Soldiers". Be interesting to see what the reply says.
I'll second these ideas. Also add that campaigning for a burka ban would be a good idea as that is a definite security risk. Edited by lancastrian, Dec 8 2010, 08:05 PM.
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| roger_bates | Dec 8 2010, 08:37 PM Post #24 |
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I also started a thread on this topic. Its funny that this is being debated because what is the point of demos if the edl doesn't know what it wants? http://s1.zetaboards.com/EDL_The_Forum/topic/3970243/1/#new |
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