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Wikileaks: USA strategie to back the islamisation of France; reform school curiculum, finance islamist groups etc.
Topic Started: Dec 7 2010, 02:08 AM (398 Views)
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To begin with, I’d like to say that I make a difference between American people and American authorities. As you perhaps know, the American authorities are regularly opening mosques in France, promoting Islam, or inviting Muslims activists back home for training sessions. Recently, the curriculum taught in French schools has been reformed to teach Islam to pupils, an unprecedented move in this secular state. As they already have a long tradition of backing Muslims against opponents (Taliban VS Russians in Afghanistan, Islamists VS French in Algeria etc.) many people feared they were now backing Muslims activists in France.

Wikileaks has revealed several documents leaked from the American embassy in Paris, demonstrating their role in reforming the curriculum taught in French schools to include Islam, in the financing of islamist websites and networks or in the 2005 intifada:

"Our aim is to engage the French population at all levels in order to amplify France's efforts to realize its own egalitarian ideals, thereby advancing U.S. national interests.... This history and self-perception will serve us well as we implement the strategy outlined here... In addition, we will continue and intensify our work with French museums and educators to reform the history curriculum taught in French schools... In the Embassy, we will continue to invite a broad spectrum of French society to our events, and avoid, as appropriate, hosting white-only events, or minority-only events.
To achieve these aims, we will build on the expansive Public Diplomacy programs already in place at post, and develop creative, additional means to influence the youth of France, employing new media, corporate partnerships, nationwide competitions, targeted outreach events, especially invited U.S. guests.... We will also develop new tools to identify, learn from, and influence future French leaders.... We will build on existing youth networks in France, and create new ones in cyberspace... Building on our work with two prominent websites geared toward young French-speaking Muslims -- oumma.fr and saphirnews.com* -- we will support, train, and engage media and political activists... we plan to track trends and, ideally, predict change in the status of minorities in France, estimating how this change will impact U.S. interests. As our awareness expands and deepens, we will adjust, accordingly, the minority outreach strategy described here."

http://46.59.1.2/cable/2010/01/10PARIS58.html

(* islamist websites: Muslims considered as a "superior race", non-muslims as sub-humans, to be killed)
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Very interesting document. Alot of appeasement sentiment within. After reading this, I genuinely think that the US believes it can tame islam and secularise it. A most dangerous social experiment, which will have profound effects all over the world, once all their 'Moderate, Secularised' islamists are sat in positions of authority all over the globe, afterall Obama is leading by example ^o)
Its going to be a bumpy ride people.
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My Government is plain nuts. We spend money sending Imam's out of the US on goodwill tours of the middle east. We spend money building Mosque's, Hospital's, School's, Water Treatment Plant's, Factories and so much more all over the Middle East and Africa hoping (without any oversight) that they will not end up being turned against us.

Obama has increased funding for these endeavors over 500%... It's crazy, he thinks that engagement will make them like us, that building schools for them will change there attitudes.

All he is doing is using our tax payer $'s to build crap for people who hate us. It is freaking crazy.
"The true Islamic concept of peace goes something like this:'Peace comes through submission to Muhammad and his concept of Allah'(i.e. Islam). As such the Islamic concept of peace, meaning making the whole world Muslim, is actually a mandate for war. It was inevitable and unavoidable that the conflict would eventually reach our borders, and so it has." - Vernon Richards

Nizom, Novil, Ne'haveh Dugma VeNenaze'ah - We shall Innovate, Lead, Set an Example and Win. - My Paratrooper Unit Motto
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lucas4england
Dec 7 2010, 02:41 AM
Very interesting document. Alot of appeasement sentiment within. After reading this, I genuinely think that the US believes it can tame islam and secularise it. A most dangerous social experiment, which will have profound effects all over the world, once all their 'Moderate, Secularised' islamists are sat in positions of authority all over the globe, afterall Obama is leading by example ^o)
Its going to be a bumpy ride people.
Correct. Strap yourselves in.
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I actually feel sorry for the leader of wiki leaks, untill someone can prove that he is wanted on 'sex charges' i think hes just being hounded and sought after by the usa and other countries in an attempt just to silence him. probly false charges as they never specify what the 'sex charges' are. as for the document, if the USA would like to try and tame islam, like lucas just said were in for a very bumpy ride, something that is bound to go terribly wrong!
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I could care less is Assange is guilty or not. Even though two women claim that he was inappropriate with them. The Swiss usually never care what another country wants, it especially loves to thumb it's nose at the US.

I think if there was even a shred of doubt the Swiss would never have tried this. He must be really guilty if the Swiss are backing this. Plus they pulled his Bank accounts. The Swiss never pull anyone's bank accounts. Even Iran's.
"The true Islamic concept of peace goes something like this:'Peace comes through submission to Muhammad and his concept of Allah'(i.e. Islam). As such the Islamic concept of peace, meaning making the whole world Muslim, is actually a mandate for war. It was inevitable and unavoidable that the conflict would eventually reach our borders, and so it has." - Vernon Richards

Nizom, Novil, Ne'haveh Dugma VeNenaze'ah - We shall Innovate, Lead, Set an Example and Win. - My Paratrooper Unit Motto
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Dec 7 2010, 02:49 AM
I actually feel sorry for the leader of wiki leaks, untill someone can prove that he is wanted on 'sex charges' i think hes just being hounded and sought after by the usa and other countries in an attempt just to silence him. probly false charges as they never specify what the 'sex charges' are.
Got to say I am split over the Wikileaks furore. I do think that Aflange or whatever he is called ;) is being stitched up over these charges, which is obviously bang out of order. However, and it is a big however, National Security needs confidential and above graded documents to sometimes remain exactly that, for all matter of reasons often unknown to the lay man. I do see how the secrecy policy in the wrong hands can lead to all matter of injustices and global social experiments involving islam for example. So it really is the finest of fine lines that this bloke was walking. I say was, because it appears he has already over stepped the mark in a big way.
Still, whilst it is available, we may aswell dip in and have a look how else the USA are gonna screw everyone over.
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Yep because that is what we do in the USA screw everyone over...
"The true Islamic concept of peace goes something like this:'Peace comes through submission to Muhammad and his concept of Allah'(i.e. Islam). As such the Islamic concept of peace, meaning making the whole world Muslim, is actually a mandate for war. It was inevitable and unavoidable that the conflict would eventually reach our borders, and so it has." - Vernon Richards

Nizom, Novil, Ne'haveh Dugma VeNenaze'ah - We shall Innovate, Lead, Set an Example and Win. - My Paratrooper Unit Motto
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Dec 7 2010, 03:10 AM
Yep because that is what we do in the USA screw everyone over...
Just a joke mate. I am a big US fan, just not Barack Obama.
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IF THE REAL SECRETS OF STATE SECURITY STAY SECRET AND THE CRAP THAT RUINS OUR LIVES IS EXPOSED THEN I'M FOR WIKILEAKS. I THINK THAT IS WHAT TRANSPARENT GOVERNMENT MEANS, SOMETHING ENGLAND IS MISSING RIGHT NOW
IF THE REAL SECRETS OF STATE SECURITY STAY SECRET AND THE CRAP THAT RUINS OUR LIVES IS EXPOSED THEN I'M FOR WIKILEAKS. I THINK THAT IS WHAT TRANSPARENT GOVERNMENT MEANS, SOMTEHING ENGLAND IS MISSING RIGHT NOW
Edited by 666paul, Dec 7 2010, 03:25 AM.
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That's twice you shouted that.
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Dec 7 2010, 03:19 AM
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Dec 7 2010, 03:10 AM
Yep because that is what we do in the USA screw everyone over...
Just a joke mate. I am a big US fan, just not Barack Obama.
on that I hear ya brother.
"The true Islamic concept of peace goes something like this:'Peace comes through submission to Muhammad and his concept of Allah'(i.e. Islam). As such the Islamic concept of peace, meaning making the whole world Muslim, is actually a mandate for war. It was inevitable and unavoidable that the conflict would eventually reach our borders, and so it has." - Vernon Richards

Nizom, Novil, Ne'haveh Dugma VeNenaze'ah - We shall Innovate, Lead, Set an Example and Win. - My Paratrooper Unit Motto
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Well even the yanks know that Obarm is a nut job with know idea how the world works
FOR QUEEN , COUNTRY AND A COLD BEER
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its my belief that being a secular country is only one step away from becoming an Islamic one. I hope people will think about that when denouncing their own Christian Heritage.
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Islam is great for creating fear in a population. The authorites can then demand more power from the people. The people will happily give away their freedoms and rights in order to feel safer.
The governments of the world are probably using Islam to solidify their own power by keeping the general population scared.
Just a thought.
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the alleged nonce will be arrested today!,he looks like a greasy wee weasel!...who,for whatever reason,is putting peoples lives at risk!....

i hope they lock him up,and throw away the key.
no doubt he will strike a deal with the uk authorities,no more wiki-leaks....and the extradition proceedings will be dropped.
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fcuk AMERICA THE SICKEST MOST SELF SERVING NATION ON EARTH
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Dec 7 2010, 02:52 AM
I could care less is Assange is guilty or not. Even though two women claim that he was inappropriate with them. The Swiss usually never care what another country wants, it especially loves to thumb it's nose at the US.

I think if there was even a shred of doubt the Swiss would never have tried this. He must be really guilty if the Swiss are backing this. Plus they pulled his Bank accounts. The Swiss never pull anyone's bank accounts. Even Iran's.

Wow, wouldn't want you on my jury. :'(
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Dec 7 2010, 07:52 AM
the alleged nonce will be arrested today!,he looks like a greasy wee weasel!...who,for whatever reason,is putting peoples lives at risk!....

i hope they lock him up,and throw away the key.
no doubt he will strike a deal with the uk authorities,no more wiki-leaks....and the extradition proceedings will be dropped.
I think he is doing an excellent job.The US authorities are as corrupt as hell and need exposing for what they are.They created Osama bin Leden,funded him when it suited their purpose and then snubbed him when he had done their dirty work.
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Dec 7 2010, 06:28 AM
its my belief that being a secular country is only one step away from becoming an Islamic one. I hope people will think about that when denouncing their own Christian Heritage.
think more ppl coming to this realisation as time goes on - maybe more shld make time this christmas to really make the tradition count - less commercialisation, more community-focussed work, perhaps even hold our noses and actuall ygo to church (that'll be tough one i know but maybe we need to do do that sort of thing as well as demos) what did some ppl call it? entryisnm?
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Wait till the UFO's come out of Wikileaks.
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Dec 7 2010, 09:55 AM
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Dec 7 2010, 02:52 AM
I could care less is Assange is guilty or not. Even though two women claim that he was inappropriate with them. The Swiss usually never care what another country wants, it especially loves to thumb it's nose at the US.

I think if there was even a shred of doubt the Swiss would never have tried this. He must be really guilty if the Swiss are backing this. Plus they pulled his Bank accounts. The Swiss never pull anyone's bank accounts. Even Iran's.

Wow, wouldn't want you on my jury. :'(
haha, for this guy... you are correct. if i could i would jail him for jaywalking.

i actually don't mind wikileaks I just think this guy is a media whore. transparency, or the threat of transparency keep's everyone a little more honest (or more careful) than they would usually be.
"The true Islamic concept of peace goes something like this:'Peace comes through submission to Muhammad and his concept of Allah'(i.e. Islam). As such the Islamic concept of peace, meaning making the whole world Muslim, is actually a mandate for war. It was inevitable and unavoidable that the conflict would eventually reach our borders, and so it has." - Vernon Richards

Nizom, Novil, Ne'haveh Dugma VeNenaze'ah - We shall Innovate, Lead, Set an Example and Win. - My Paratrooper Unit Motto
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