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omg i hope this doesnt turn out bad for me; reception of some members
Topic Started: Dec 7 2010, 12:39 AM (651 Views)
easyt
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ok first i want to say that i realy hope this doesnt turn out bad for me and i end up getting kicked off the forum and i hope the itchy fingers will count to ten or sleep on it but..........

i know i have only been around for a few weeks on the forums, doesnt mean i havnt had my views for many years just like many of you
my dad searved in aden and was the biggest racist i have ever met ((i wont judge (he died 7 years ago )) after serving over 30 years in both the raf (as air sea rescue on a converted mtb) and after his 2 years forced service he regoined the british army and served 28 years the last 8 years as a specialist instructor in specialist fields

i found my way to edl forums after a long time friend (primary and high school) and also his younger brother liked the edl pages on facebook
it got me reading, i will be honest here and admit i had never heard of you guys ( i havnt watched tv for around 5 years) i download movies and watch the odd eppisode of topgear online, i run my own business and run a cod 4 gaming clan along with having 2 kids takes up all my time as far as not wasting it watching tv that is allowed to be shown by my government ......


anyway to the point of my post
over the last 2 weeks i have read quite a few threads where people join the forum to ask questions...........some/quite a few of them are prob uaf misguided idiots and some muslims who realy want to find out wtf is going on with edl etc
im reading here how edl is not bnp which suits me down to the ground, but also i totaly respect the bnp views, im just not bnp
but the thing that gets me realy annoyed right now is i want to be a part of edl and i have a big heart to give to edl cause but im seeing too much of the few making everyone else look bad
we can try to make the world see our point till we are blue in the face but until EVERYONE sees that regardless of their gut feelings sometimes they are better off not typing anything or...............stepping back and reading their posts again before they hit send then we are all fighting a uphill battle that is beeing made a steeper hill by our own members

again i hope after taking so long to find you guys that i dont upset too many of you that i get kicked but please respond to this rather than just jump on my view as i have seen in many other posts who dare to ask why we do things the way we do

a few are making the cause harder for everyone else by not towing the middle ground

sorry the last bit was aimed at some on facebook
that are everyday posting comments that anyone can see and are just ammo to uaf the posts they make are nothing to do with edl but just total racism and they are flying our edl flag

Edited by easyt, Dec 7 2010, 12:43 AM.
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Everyone is entitled to there view - as long as it falls within the forum rules. The numbers of decent people on here and at demos massively outweigh the dodgy ones.
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democracy in action my friend!,where everyone is allowed a viewpoint!,no matter how repulsive it may be!....which is the excact oppisite from the islamic school of jurisprudence.
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I do agree actualy. I do cringe when I see some topics labeled 'muslim scum' and very rediculios comments like 'muslims should all die'.

How does this look to a newcomer? Don't get me wrong, I hate Islam but I think my knowledge of it and my understanding of Islam is enough for me to write a decent reply and accept critisism to learn...
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Easy T who is making the cause harder? Wodin.
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Nothing wrong in what you wrote thre, easyt. It's a long haul and we've a way to go but we are all different in our passions, communication skills, commitments and expressions.

What binds us together is our patriotism and love of our country.

Good post, keep it up!

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Like others have said, everyone is entitled to there own view, I just wish people would think before they type sometimes...
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We are nothing to do with facebook, it is a different kettle of fish altogether.
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thanks all for your replys
makes me see im in the right place here
christine patriot your reply is no more important than anyone elses but im gonna single you out anyway :p (hope you dont mind)
you said we are all different in our passions....................... that has made me realise some have more rerason to give than others
thanks for making me see that

and ruby
i realy wish i could ignore or is it egnore? i realy should know by my age but i hated english at school :p
but there is a local edl member on my freinds list who daily posts comments under the edl flag that are doing nothing but making the rest of us look bad
( or making her look bad not sure which but the edl flag is there for uaf and the muzzies to copy paste alllll day long)
if they are true to edl they should think what personal comments do to the whole of the edl
just like posters on here should regardless of how strong they feel
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I agree, its totally outrageous. I have NEVER seen talk like this directed at the kuffar on Muslim facebook groups. how the hell do they manage to control their community so effectively? ^_^


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Dec 7 2010, 12:42 AM
Everyone is entitled to there view - as long as it falls within the forum rules. The numbers of decent people on here and at demos massively outweigh the dodgy ones.
and i thsnk all those who attended preston demo for making my mind up for me
i had my views for many years
to see so many well behaved folks at preston sooo close to my house made me feel i wasnt on my own anymore against the sh1te that is going down in MY country
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Hi Easyt,

It takes all sorts and sometimes we dont all get along all of the time. But there is a common cause and that is truly what we are here for. We cannot underestimate how vital the EDL is to the survival of our way of life.

Yea, we do have some people who could be described as rough diamonds and some asses, especially on face book (UAF like you say). It takes all sorts.

Taking the rough with the smooth is something the EDL does well. When we find those who are not here for the right reasons they are asked to leave. I would say polity but its not always ;)

The main thing to keep in mind is we are here for England and for the long hall. I am not doing this for me, I am doing it for our kids.

Keep the faith and I am glad that you are with us :D

P.S. Facebook is a right pain in the ass. We get lots of trolls on there and people who shoot there mouths off. But it is what it is.
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In any organization you are going to get people who are on the extreme sides of an issue. This is only natural. Over time people learn to not judge an organization by a few people (even if they are leaders). It's about the movement more than any one person's opinion.

on this board people will argue about all types of stuff but in the end we all come here because of the threat militant islam poses to us all.

we may vary in ideologies, we may have different views on many different subjects, but as long as we don't lose focus on the main goal of restoring and retaining western democracy we will win.

eventually the extremists will realize that this is not the group for them and they will move on.
"The true Islamic concept of peace goes something like this:'Peace comes through submission to Muhammad and his concept of Allah'(i.e. Islam). As such the Islamic concept of peace, meaning making the whole world Muslim, is actually a mandate for war. It was inevitable and unavoidable that the conflict would eventually reach our borders, and so it has." - Vernon Richards

Nizom, Novil, Ne'haveh Dugma VeNenaze'ah - We shall Innovate, Lead, Set an Example and Win. - My Paratrooper Unit Motto
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Dec 7 2010, 12:56 AM
I agree, its totally outrageous. I have NEVER seen talk like this directed at the kuffar on Muslim facebook groups. how the hell do they manage to control their community so effectively? ^_^


lol peter :$
i know what your saying .........but ........... B-)
if we are to be a credible group we need to sometimes bite our tounge..in public
wouldnt you agree?

adw and tektwo yeah your correct thanks i think i have drank too much tonight :p
i just want to see edl be the best they can
without some dragging us down
sorry for my drunken rants everyone


ps.glad i didnt get kicked for speaking my mind :p
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i agree it makes us look just as bad as them the extremists got to remember what the edl stands for keep your head on your shoulders mind the pun
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Dec 7 2010, 12:56 AM
I agree, its totally outrageous. I have NEVER seen talk like this directed at the kuffar on Muslim facebook groups. how the hell do they manage to control their community so effectively? ^_^


Haven't you ? I have.
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I agree with what you say, the only way to win people over is to be whiter than white (NO racial pun intended)
I have never been abusive on here, but have posted a few flippant and humorous comments, I will be re-examining my own responses from now on.

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Dec 7 2010, 12:56 AM
I agree, its totally outrageous. I have NEVER seen talk like this directed at the kuffar on Muslim facebook groups. how the hell do they manage to control their community so effectively? ^_^


lol peter :$
i know what your saying .........but ........... B-)
if we are to be a credible group we need to sometimes bite our tounge..in public
wouldnt you agree?

adw and tektwo yeah your correct thanks i think i have drank too much tonight :p
i just want to see edl be the best they can
without some dragging us down
sorry for my drunken rants everyone


ps.glad i didnt get kicked for speaking my mind :p

Oh, easyt, have faith, you don't get kicked so easily on here. Why would you think that?. :unsure:
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Dec 7 2010, 01:00 AM
lol peter :$
i know what your saying .........but ........... B-)
if we are to be a credible group we need to sometimes bite our tounge..in public
wouldnt you agree?
'Our tongue"? Your talking about a tiny minority of extremists 0.00000000000000000001% of not real EDl that have a warped interpretation of what the EDL is about. EDL is peace.

99.9999999999999999999999999% of peaceful moderate EDL want nothing to do with them and think they're loons.

Please stop your hatred and bigotry easyt. Its bordering on fascist racism.
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Dec 7 2010, 01:21 AM


Please stop your hatred and bigotry easyt. Its bordering on fascist racism.
oh sh1te ive been found out :p
:$ :unsure:

you have a point about the few.....
i just wanna see edl take on all the members it can and not loose any to being unsure about sh1te of ignore me lol im drunk i know what i mean just not how to say it right now :
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its easyt to be a person not wanting the tough looking lot around.giving us a bad name.
but just say on a demo we are attacked by 500 leftist mdl scum .looking to hurt us .
i know i would rather be with the lads who will stand their ground .than some of the people who come on talking tough.every movement needs its footsoldiers as long as they arent complete boneheads.and i do not like the people who you are talking about on facebook.who really insult each other and then switch the keyboard off to calm down.they probably threaten their own wife and kids as well.
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Dec 7 2010, 01:18 AM
easyt
Dec 7 2010, 01:00 AM
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Dec 7 2010, 12:56 AM
I agree, its totally outrageous. I have NEVER seen talk like this directed at the kuffar on Muslim facebook groups. how the hell do they manage to control their community so effectively? ^_^


lol peter :$
i know what your saying .........but ........... B-)
if we are to be a credible group we need to sometimes bite our tounge..in public
wouldnt you agree?

adw and tektwo yeah your correct thanks i think i have drank too much tonight :p
i just want to see edl be the best they can
without some dragging us down
sorry for my drunken rants everyone


ps.glad i didnt get kicked for speaking my mind :p

Oh, easyt, have faith, you don't get kicked so easily on here. Why would you think that?. :unsure:
i have read a few posts from obviouse muzzies/uaf that i feel could have been replied to in a more educational way :P
before they get kicked off :p before they got doc martin boot stamps on their heads
then at least when they copy paste that we banned them there is more than just a boot tread implanted in their scull
regardless of what they think when they leave here we should take EVERY chance to plant the seed that makes them think for themselves and question what they believe

it may be months down the line but what we reply to them may hit them like a brick while they are lay there thinking one night :$
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Dec 7 2010, 01:29 AM
its easyt to be a person not wanting the tough looking lot around.giving us a bad name.
but just say on a demo we are attacked by 500 leftist mdl scum .looking to hurt us .
i know i would rather be with the lads who will stand their ground .than some of the people who come on talking tough.every movement needs its footsoldiers as long as they arent complete boneheads.and i do not like the people who you are talking about on facebook.who really insult each other and then switch the keyboard off to calm down.they probably threaten their own wife and kids as well.
hey brother i am with you on that
im over 6ft tall and over 18 stone myself a die hard footie fan :$ been there seen it done it........still do it if and when the situation arises
but, and its a big but....... i have learned brains over brawl everytime m8
nothing wrong with handling yourself....but that goes for image as well
edl will grow regardless
whats not needed is us to load the mags for the uaf/mdl to shoot us with if you know what i mean
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i understand easyt
but you know these days with cameras every where.
its big propaganda for the young ones if one side takes a backward step.pussies and all that.
im 52 and game as fcuk.but i do know when to kick off and when not to.keep the faith mate see you on a demo.ps put your money on villa next season ha ha
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Dec 7 2010, 12:42 AM
Everyone is entitled to there view - as long as it falls within the forum rules. The numbers of decent people on here and at demos massively outweigh the dodgy ones.
Totally agree with MJ.

Easyt, let me point out the 'forum status' written under Peter Pedant's name:

Najisun Kafir

That is how one sizable group of muslims (Shia muslims) refer to us jews, christians, atheists, animists, budddhists.

It means "pile of sh1t unbeliever". That is a routine phrase for them to use about us. "Najis" is the term used to describe (inter alia) faeces, dead bodies, semen, unbelievers.

http://www.al-islam.org/laws/najisthings.html

Do you really think "muslim scum" comes even close to "walking pile of sh1t unbeliever"?

When muslims start to tell us how ashamed they are that so many regard us as faeces, then I'll start apologising for people saying "muslim scum".
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yeah ok i get both sides of it
thanks for the replys all of you
i just want edl to grow as fast as the 8 kids a couple muzzies do
and put off as few pottential joiners as possible
i see i have a lot to learn
as i said in op ive only been around a few weeks but my views and feelings as many of you have been there for years

peace to all my brothers
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Easyt...

There is nothing wrong with keeping your own views, whether they be those of a gentle person or those of a hardliner. My own view of this forum is simply this.

It is a melting pot. A place where ideas, opinions and opposition can all come together for open discussion. Those who believe that the EDL are welcome here as far as I have seen. Of course they will face strong opposition because so many are here in accordance with their own beliefs, but there are some posts in the cage from people who disagree with the EDLs standpoint but who still earn the respect of those who they critisize if they present their positions fairly.

There are very right wing elements represented here and moderates... this is the strength of the forum. It presents a base where all arguments... whether politically correct or not, can be addressed or simply viewed and thought about privately.

I personally agree with about 60% of what I read on here. That is why I keep coming back... because those here are not afraid to speak their mind. I comment on maybe 5% of posts... since I feel I have nothing to contribute to the rest.

Participate and keep your mind open. That's all that is required. Your own stance will be made from what you learn in your own life and what you read on here.

sorry...

"Those who believe that the EDL are welcome here as far as I have seen"

should read

Tjose who believe that the EDl are wrong are welcome here as far as I have seen.
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easyt, quote:

"i have read a few posts from obviouse muzzies/uaf that i feel could have been replied to in a more educational way
before they get kicked off :p before they got doc martin boot stamps on their heads
then at least when they copy paste that we banned them there is more than just a boot tread implanted in their scull
regardless of what they think when they leave here we should take EVERY chance to plant the seed that makes them think for themselves and question what they believe

it may be months down the line but what we reply to them may hit them like a brick while they are lay there thinking one nigh"


Mmm, why would what we say to UAF, muzzies apply to your post?
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Dec 7 2010, 10:07 PM
easyt, quote:

"i have read a few posts from obviouse muzzies/uaf that i feel could have been replied to in a more educational way
before they get kicked off :p before they got doc martin boot stamps on their heads
then at least when they copy paste that we banned them there is more than just a boot tread implanted in their scull
regardless of what they think when they leave here we should take EVERY chance to plant the seed that makes them think for themselves and question what they believe

it may be months down the line but what we reply to them may hit them like a brick while they are lay there thinking one nigh"


Mmm, why would what we say to UAF, muzzies apply to your post?
I think he is just worried what people who are not of the EDL will think when a person with a different view is attacked and then banned. (Not that I have any idea what he is referring to, I am new) He is asking that we always argue with someone rationally and tick off our point's calmly so as to prove to that 'provocateur' that he is wrong and that he will realize he is wrong.

I assume he just want's everyone to take the middle road, be mindful of what we say and how we say it and always argue with logic. Directed at the troll's of course.

But that's not always fun!
"The true Islamic concept of peace goes something like this:'Peace comes through submission to Muhammad and his concept of Allah'(i.e. Islam). As such the Islamic concept of peace, meaning making the whole world Muslim, is actually a mandate for war. It was inevitable and unavoidable that the conflict would eventually reach our borders, and so it has." - Vernon Richards

Nizom, Novil, Ne'haveh Dugma VeNenaze'ah - We shall Innovate, Lead, Set an Example and Win. - My Paratrooper Unit Motto
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@ Tektwo:

I was referring to his previous question, I didn't need the above post interpreting. ;)
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@ Tektwo:

I was referring to his previous question, I didn't need the above post interpreting. ;)
hah, roger sorry :)
"The true Islamic concept of peace goes something like this:'Peace comes through submission to Muhammad and his concept of Allah'(i.e. Islam). As such the Islamic concept of peace, meaning making the whole world Muslim, is actually a mandate for war. It was inevitable and unavoidable that the conflict would eventually reach our borders, and so it has." - Vernon Richards

Nizom, Novil, Ne'haveh Dugma VeNenaze'ah - We shall Innovate, Lead, Set an Example and Win. - My Paratrooper Unit Motto
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I don't think you will find many of the tough ones on here as they tend not to spend much of their time behind a keyboard.The ones who come on here talking tough are probably insecure kids thinking they are impressing "hardmen".Don't know about anyone else on here but I am not hard at all and am not impressed by violence.But the "tough guys" are needed at demos as it takes a real hardman to deal with serious violence.
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i love the quote at the ending of the quiet mans posts elswhere.
we sleepsafe in our beds because rough men stand ready in the night.to visit violence on those who would
do us harm.GEORGE ORWELL
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Hi Easyt mate i get sick of the way some on here get on there high horse over every little queston, mostly i ignor them now and again ill tell them. You are right that image is important and that talking is better than shouting but head and brick wall with some the rest never shout so can not see the point, just keep the faith and rember that a fool can not help been a fool but a bully is always a pussy
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to be honest, i read what they were saying on the facebook group and i just didnt join, i think it would be better if everyone joined up here so everytihng could be easily moderated, but understand that wont happen, i think if you dont like what you see on the facebook page then leave and just stay here and let them get on with it, i think this forum is the real forum
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@ Tektwo:

I was referring to his previous question, I didn't need the above post interpreting. ;)
hah, roger sorry :)

No problem. :)
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I agree, its totally outrageous. I have NEVER seen talk like this directed at the kuffar on Muslim facebook groups. how the hell do they manage to control their community so effectively? ^_^


So true PP, so true.

Look on any Islamic forum, scratch about a bit and you will find vitriol, hatred, racism thinly veieled terrorist threads and so on. Sure there are many posters on these forums that protest against such things, but the fact is they are still there - staring anybody that looks at them straight in the face.

Freedom of speech or gutless Britain?
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Some of the comments on facebook make me cringe so I dont visit very ofton and stick with the forum. While I agree with you Some of the loutish comments do not help the cause they do have a positive reaction in the way that other forum members pile in with the verble boot. You have the right to reply and can argue your point of view.
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everyone has the right to say whatever. our parents - grand parents secured us this RIGHT and to some extent i agree with you.. sorry to go off topic here 'Easy t' ya see im a bit of a military history geek and my curiosity has got the better of me im afraid when you typed specialist instructor,

specialist instructer in specialist fields.....in ADEN.... Im getting vibes of 22SAS Who supplied the majority of specialists in this little known conflict.

a few hundred highly trained highly determined individuals SAS managed to wage a Guerilla low intensity conflict upon an equaly determined Arabic enemy.

mention no names but we done with a few hundred what some of our so called coalition partners couldnt do with 50,000..

Those who boast they was in the regiment usually was not. those who deny they was in the regiment sometimes indeed was in. and those who have no idea "where you got that mad idea from", was probably the Rambos tearing sh1t up..
am i right - way of course - or should i wind my neck in & mind my own buisness ?


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