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Topic Started: Dec 6 2010, 11:33 PM (409 Views)
aluman
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According to the news the knife laws has just been changed you will no longer go to prison if you found to be carrying a knife, don,t you think this is a disgrace? if your caught carrying a knife never mind 6 months, you should get 5 years. People carry knives for one reason. What is everyone elses throughts on this ?
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People carrying knifes cost lives and this new change will make the law be less of a deterrent for carrying a knife.
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I believe the current knife law is you can't carry a knife around with you if the blade is bigger than 3 inches or the knife contains a locking blade. Which is fair enough but I don't see any problem with someone carrying a multi-tool knife e.g Swiss Army Knife as I know alot of people who carry them every day connected to there keys or just generally in there pockets and they would never use a knife to attack someone other than in self defence.
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carried a little 3" lock knife as a teen purely as a deterant, ya know self defence..., soon stopped when i was arrested 1 night in 1990 or 91 i think it was. anyway i ended up in court, was fined heavily and learnt my lesson.

i stopped because of the threat of prison, plus as i got older i used my brain more, got creative and thought of alternatives [legal ones] just in case i ever needed to defend myself in a hostile situation.

and also now im a father it is an embarrasment that i used to carry a knife.

but if there is no threat of serious consequences, a lot of teens and physically insecure adult men are going to start carrying knives, what will stop them.

yes we need a harsh deterrant


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I regularly carry knives, with lawful reason, I'm a country lad. Some of these knives could split you arse to skull, but if you were in my presence you would never feel threatened. They are tools, not weapons, I use for a job. However, if I lift a knife to you, exempt in extremis self defence then jail me for a long time.

Bye the bye, yesterday a young lad tried to rush me while I was on a high position with a shovel in my hand. I tuned the shovel round and warded him off with just the handle, purely by threat no force used. He was in roid rage, I stayed calm and faced him off.

I understand your concern with knife crime, but good old fashioned offensive weapon charges, and good old fashioned big scary ob would minimise the problem. In the meantime let me use knives responsibly, and I promise you when I produce a blade you'll be amazed and delighted what I can do with it.
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I have a concealed weapons permit in the states and while outside the US I have a US embassy issued license as an ex consultant for the State Department.

Ironically I cannot carry a knife anywhere.
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I'm in the process of joining the Army and I go jogging alot, I sometimes carry one whilst jogging if its early in the morning, especially on a Friday and Saturday night when you jog past drunken idiots on their way home. When I was 16 I knew lads who'd carry them for no reason but to show off and to be honest it made them look nothing more than weak. I understand people who want to carry them for protection but you can't always work out if someone is trying to protect themselves or cause someone harm.



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Dec 7 2010, 12:34 AM
I'm in the process of joining the Army and I go jogging alot, I sometimes carry one whilst jogging if its early in the morning, especially on a Friday and Saturday night when you jog past drunken idiots on their way home. When I was 16 I knew lads who'd carry them for no reason but to show off and to be honest it made them look nothing more than weak. I understand people who want to carry them for protection but you can't always work out if someone is trying to protect themselves or cause someone harm.



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Sorry to go off topic but good luck with the army mate. I'm joining myself I'm currently waiting for a basic training date. I'm Going in the Royal Signals, What about yourself?
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Dec 7 2010, 12:34 AM
I'm in the process of joining the Army and I go jogging alot, I sometimes carry one whilst jogging if its early in the morning, especially on a Friday and Saturday night when you jog past drunken idiots on their way home. When I was 16 I knew lads who'd carry them for no reason but to show off and to be honest it made them look nothing more than weak. I understand people who want to carry them for protection but you can't always work out if someone is trying to protect themselves or cause someone harm.



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Sorry to go off topic but good luck with the army mate. I'm joining myself I'm currently waiting for a basic training date. I'm Going in the Royal Signals, What about yourself?
I'm joining the Infantry. I'll either join the, Fusiliers Regiment, Mercian Regiment, or the Rifles Regiment. I wish I was as far as you though, I'm still getting fit for Selection, I should pass first time around though. My Uncle is a Captain in the Royal Signals and my Dad was a Staff Sergeant in the Royal Signals.


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Good luck to you mate you will fly through selection no problem. I done my ADSC at Lichfield, You never thought of joining the Royal Signals considering your family background?
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Join the Parachute Regiment... Specifically if you can join the 16th Air Assault Brigade, 3rd battalion, Guards Parachute Platoon.

Awesome guys, trained with them in Israel before they were deployed to Afghanistan. One of them turned me on to the EDL.

They are one of Britain's most elite units.
"The true Islamic concept of peace goes something like this:'Peace comes through submission to Muhammad and his concept of Allah'(i.e. Islam). As such the Islamic concept of peace, meaning making the whole world Muslim, is actually a mandate for war. It was inevitable and unavoidable that the conflict would eventually reach our borders, and so it has." - Vernon Richards

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I've got my ADSC at Lichfield as well. My Family comes from all area's of the Armed Forces, my Dad was in the Royal Signals, my Uncle is in the Royal Signals, my Grandad was in the Royal Logistics Core, my Cusion was in the Royal Logistics Core then went Infantry as an Infantry Commando, my Mum was in the Royal Womens Core, my other two Uncles where Signals and one was Royal Armoured Core, and my Great Grandad was Infantry. I originally wanted to drive the Challenger 2 Tank but with all the defence cuts they won't be recruiting Tank Drivers for a while so I went with my 2nd choice, Infantry.

Good luck at training mate, you'll probably go Bassingbourne, I used to live there and Bramcote but you won't go Bramcote its a Signals Barracks not an ATR.


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English Badman, being an Infantry man can be an advantage... You don't want to be a sitting duck in a tank, especially with the new advances in anti tank weapons.

Infantry is where it's at, and the Para's are the way to go! Sorry to sound like a broken record.
"The true Islamic concept of peace goes something like this:'Peace comes through submission to Muhammad and his concept of Allah'(i.e. Islam). As such the Islamic concept of peace, meaning making the whole world Muslim, is actually a mandate for war. It was inevitable and unavoidable that the conflict would eventually reach our borders, and so it has." - Vernon Richards

Nizom, Novil, Ne'haveh Dugma VeNenaze'ah - We shall Innovate, Lead, Set an Example and Win. - My Paratrooper Unit Motto
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Well common sense has to prevail in this type of thing. Not everyone who carries a Swiss pen knife will be carrying it to cause harm. But if you see a 14 year old carrying one down the park on a Friday night with his mates, or a bloke down the pub, and other similar situations. . .then it's obvious why they have it. Anyone like that caught with a blade should get a jail sentance definitely!
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Putting everyone with a knife in prison costs tax money. I'm not saying I agree with the change, but that's the reason for the change. I believe that since they are taking away the prison sentence they should sentence offenders to 1000 hours unpaid community service.
I may criticize the EDL a bit, but I support the cause 100%.
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Does anyone have a link to this? I find it incredibly hard to believe.
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peterpedant
Dec 7 2010, 01:52 AM
Does anyone have a link to this? I find it incredibly hard to believe.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-11932761
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personaly i find this common sence approach
they are making actualy using a knife to commit crime carry higher time in jail
i have a leatherman with a serated blade i have it in my car all the time
i use it for work, camping, fishing and general everyday things
but under current law i am breaking the law having it in my car, even though i have chisels, stanley knives saws, screw drivers, a 7 ft long crowbar, a 2lb and a 7lb hammer and many other things in my car all at the same time
many of them would kill you faster than the leatherman but it is illegal

sh1t 2 inch of water can kill you but i dont get arrested for carrying a bottle of evian :P
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Dec 7 2010, 01:52 AM
Does anyone have a link to this? I find it incredibly hard to believe.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-11932761
I was kind of hoping no one was going to post one. Thats just depressed me even more now.

When will this insanity end? ^o)
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Dec 6 2010, 11:33 PM
People carry knives for one reason.
what one reason would this be then?

because they are chefs?
because they have a knife as part of a tool kit?
because it is a religious ritual item?
because they are practising hunters/backwoodsmen/survivalists?
because they want to stab someone?

quite a few reasons why ppl carry knives.

i think if the law has been changed it is a step in the right direction. only if there is clear intent to cause harm should ppl be arrested and only if proven intent should they be prosecuted.

are we to loose every single freedom in this country b4 ppl wake up? or is it already too late for then to awaken
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Dec 7 2010, 12:30 AM
I have a concealed weapons permit in the states and while outside the US I have a US embassy issued license as an ex consultant for the State Department.

Ironically I cannot carry a knife anywhere.
So you can carry a gun??? :'(
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@ rita.ar

I appreciated your post, but would like to point out the term in the UK is bushcraft, and like the EDL doesn't tolerate Nazi's we bushcrafters do not tolerate survivalists.
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Dec 7 2010, 02:56 PM
@ rita.ar

I appreciated your post, but would like to point out the term in the UK is bushcraft, and like the EDL doesn't tolerate Nazi's we bushcrafters do not tolerate survivalists.
@squarepeg

thanks for your post. i dint mean to offend by using the term 'backwoodsman' rather than 'bushcrafter', just - as is see it - we dont exactly have any 'bush' (ie veld) here in england but we certainly do have woods - which is why i prefer the term backwoodsman meself & therefore use that term in preference

i respect 'bushcrafters' right to their own view that they dont tolerate 'survivalists' but dont understand why - afterall survival is kinda number one on my own list of important lifeskills yknow (like breathing, drinking water, eating food for fuel, etc - all = survival) - if ever the metaphorical sh1t hits the metaphorical fan i dont doubt for one minute the 'bushcrafters' will also want to 'survive' - is that not why they equip themselves with the siklls & knowledge to do so? hence my use of the term 'survivalist' in its rawest sense

(semantics = a terrible affliction of the human race) ;)

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Hi Rita, no offence taken, as I said I liked your post. Backwoodsman would be a great term for what I do, and if it ever came down to it I would use the skills from my hobby to help others survive. Survivalists are a bunch of nutters in the States, some of them are full on Nazis, who want everyone else to die and then live on. The Oklahoma bombing was an example of their way of thinking.
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Ken Clark is a fat bombastic idiot who's sole purpose is to save money.What next? Five years for murder?



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Dec 7 2010, 01:47 AM
Putting everyone with a knife in prison costs tax money. I'm not saying I agree with the change, but that's the reason for the change. I believe that since they are taking away the prison sentence they should sentence offenders to 1000 hours unpaid community service.
should bring back national service for young offenders instead of jail it would teach them a bit of respect as well
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Dec 7 2010, 02:08 PM
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Dec 6 2010, 11:33 PM
People carry knives for one reason.
what one reason would this be then?

because they are chefs?
because they have a knife as part of a tool kit?
because it is a religious ritual item?
because they are practising hunters/backwoodsmen/survivalists?
because they want to stab someone?

quite a few reasons why ppl carry knives.

i think if the law has been changed it is a step in the right direction. only if there is clear intent to cause harm should ppl be arrested and only if proven intent should they be prosecuted.

are we to loose every single freedom in this country b4 ppl wake up? or is it already too late for then to awaken
yes i think all chefs should beable to carry knifes on the streets :wub: why did,nt i think off that ^o)

If you have a knife as part of you tool kit it will be in your box and not on you person will it ?

This is a christian country and we dont have knifes as part off are religien and the rest can fcuk off

hunters can join clubs same as with guns

Now we are back to just one ? sh1tbags that cant fight with there hands :D
rita.ar
Dec 7 2010, 02:08 PM
aluman
Dec 6 2010, 11:33 PM
People carry knives for one reason.
what one reason would this be then?

because they are chefs?
because they have a knife as part of a tool kit?
because it is a religious ritual item?
because they are practising hunters/backwoodsmen/survivalists?
because they want to stab someone?

quite a few reasons why ppl carry knives.

i think if the law has been changed it is a step in the right direction. only if there is clear intent to cause harm should ppl be arrested and only if proven intent should they be prosecuted.

are we to loose every single freedom in this country b4 ppl wake up? or is it already too late for then to awaken
yes i think all chefs should beable to carry knifes on the streets :wub: why did,nt i think off that ^o)

If you have a knife as part of you tool kit it will be in your box and not on you person will it ?

This is a christian country and we dont have knifes as part off are religien and the rest can fcuk off

hunters can join clubs same as with guns

Now we are back to just one ? sh1tbags that cant fight with there hands :D
aluman
Dec 7 2010, 06:58 PM
rita.ar
Dec 7 2010, 02:08 PM
aluman
Dec 6 2010, 11:33 PM
People carry knives for one reason.
what one reason would this be then?

because they are chefs?
because they have a knife as part of a tool kit?
because it is a religious ritual item?
because they are practising hunters/backwoodsmen/survivalists?
because they want to stab someone?

quite a few reasons why ppl carry knives.

i think if the law has been changed it is a step in the right direction. only if there is clear intent to cause harm should ppl be arrested and only if proven intent should they be prosecuted.

are we to loose every single freedom in this country b4 ppl wake up? or is it already too late for then to awaken
yes i think all chefs should beable to carry knifes on the streets :wub: why did,nt i think off that ^o)

If you have a knife as part of you tool kit it will be in your box and not on you person will it ?

This is a christian country and we dont have knifes as part off are religien and the rest can fcuk off

hunters can join clubs same as with guns

Now we are back to just one ? sh1tbags that cant fight with there hands :D
rita.ar
Dec 7 2010, 02:08 PM
aluman
Dec 6 2010, 11:33 PM
People carry knives for one reason.
what one reason would this be then?

because they are chefs?
because they have a knife as part of a tool kit?
because it is a religious ritual item?
because they are practising hunters/backwoodsmen/survivalists?
because they want to stab someone?

quite a few reasons why ppl carry knives.

i think if the law has been changed it is a step in the right direction. only if there is clear intent to cause harm should ppl be arrested and only if proven intent should they be prosecuted.

are we to loose every single freedom in this country b4 ppl wake up? or is it already too late for then to awaken
yes i think all chefs should beable to carry knifes on the streets :wub: why did,nt i think off that ^o)

If you have a knife as part of you tool kit it will be in your box and not on you person will it ?

This is a christian country and we dont have knifes as part off are religien and the rest can fcuk off

hunters can join clubs same as with guns

Now we are back to just one ? sh1tbags that cant fight with there hands :D
And yes before you ask i can read and write for fun.
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Putting everyone with a knife in prison costs tax money. I'm not saying I agree with the change, but that's the reason for the change. I believe that since they are taking away the prison sentence they should sentence offenders to 1000 hours unpaid community service.
should bring back national service for young offenders instead of jail it would teach them a bit of respect as well
I agree with that. Some young males need a purpose in life, and for some the army could provide it. A few might end up paying the ultimate sacrifice, but many more would see their lives enriched.
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Dec 7 2010, 06:23 PM
Hi Rita, no offence taken, as I said I liked your post. Backwoodsman would be a great term for what I do, and if it ever came down to it I would use the skills from my hobby to help others survive. Survivalists are a bunch of nutters in the States, some of them are full on Nazis, who want everyone else to die and then live on. The Oklahoma bombing was an example of their way of thinking.
thanks - yes erm i wasnt referring to those kind of survivlaists :D
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@ aluman

I always have at least a pocket knife on my person. Never ever have I used knife as a weapon, and I've had some scary experiences. The worst of these have always been going up against pimps. I do just fine with my bear hands, thank you.
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@ aluman

I always have at least a pocket knife on my person. Never ever have I used knife as a weapon, and I've had some scary experiences. The worst of these have always been going up against pimps. I do just fine with my bear hands, thank you.
not every one is like you pal and i dont think a pen knife of the type the law allow for before are a problem . The sharps law was ok so why mess with it ? Thats what i meant to say sorry if it came across rong :X
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@ aluman (Potatoman alu=potato punjabi)

"This is a christian country and we dont have knifes as part off are religien and the rest can fcuk off"

Sikhs are legally allowed to carry their knife.. the Kirpan...legally.
both my grandfathers did. My Uncles do. Shame we should also fcuk off.

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Dec 7 2010, 02:18 PM
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I have a concealed weapons permit in the states and while outside the US I have a US embassy issued license as an ex consultant for the State Department.

Ironically I cannot carry a knife anywhere.
So you can carry a gun??? :'(
of course, that's what a concealed weapons permit is for. But as I stated if I am arrested in England they can't hold me for the Gun, just the knife. The Embassy agreement's do not cover knives. Also if I am arrested in the states I'll get in more trouble for the knife than for the gun.]

Also depends what state in the US I am in and what country I am in... Each state has different rules regarding knives and each country has different arrangements with the US for carrying gun's in there dominion's.
"The true Islamic concept of peace goes something like this:'Peace comes through submission to Muhammad and his concept of Allah'(i.e. Islam). As such the Islamic concept of peace, meaning making the whole world Muslim, is actually a mandate for war. It was inevitable and unavoidable that the conflict would eventually reach our borders, and so it has." - Vernon Richards

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I used to carry a 3 inch lock knife that used to belong to my stepfather. I never carried it for anything sinister it just came in handy from time to time.

I got stopped by ob one night and he said that as there were "some burglaries within the area" he could search me and before he did I told him that I had this knife in my pocket. He took it out and opened it up and I said "please don't take it as it used to belong to my late stepfather and has great sentimental value" He lectured me on having it and gave it back to me.

I have never taken it out since because of the fear of losing it yet I used to carry it as it was a 'keepsake' and reminded me of a great man, nothing more.

When I was much younger, being in the scouts and owning and carrying a 'pocket knife' was all the norm and was never a problem legally for anybody until around about the time that we joined the EEC, when we imported people who weren't adverse to stabbing each other, as knives (for the wrong reasons) were a part of their culture.

A case of the minority fcuking it up for the majority. Again! ^o)
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@ aluman (Potatoman alu=potato punjabi)

"This is a christian country and we dont have knifes as part off are religien and the rest can fcuk off"

Sikhs are legally allowed to carry their knife.. the Kirpan...legally.
both my grandfathers did. My Uncles do. Shame we should also fcuk off.

you should live by the same laws as use or yes fcuk off
You have made it so clear on your previous posts and this as to your political warpness. :'(

You really are a potato head.

at least i dont wear a silly hat :D
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haha, I don't know why Mr Potato Head fighting a giant Hat just popped into my head.
"The true Islamic concept of peace goes something like this:'Peace comes through submission to Muhammad and his concept of Allah'(i.e. Islam). As such the Islamic concept of peace, meaning making the whole world Muslim, is actually a mandate for war. It was inevitable and unavoidable that the conflict would eventually reach our borders, and so it has." - Vernon Richards

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"at least i dont wear a silly hat "

what is that meant to mean ? ..what silly hat ?
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