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My next assignment at Uni is right wing groups and EDL is on the list...; I could use some help...
Topic Started: Dec 6 2010, 06:38 PM (907 Views)
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I have to compare three right wing groups from three different countries, I thought I would do the English Defence League as you are probably the one I know the most about, probably Wilders party for Freedom and compare you both to something much more right wing such as Jobbik in Hungary.
My lecturer is your typical left-wing UAF member, and when we had the lecture on right-wing politics and the EDL was mentioned in seminars he was not too kind. I want to make the idiot question whether or not EDL is in fact a right-wing party at all and maybe regret putting you on the same list as some hard line groups.
Thought I would ask as I want to get both sides of the story, he is expecting everyone just to slate you, and that's not fair so I am going to write it from your stand point, if you get me?
I would like a few people just to outline their general beliefs, doesn't really matter if they contrast as that makes it more interesting; and why they are part of the EDL. The EDL also claims it is not a political organisation (which I personally disagree with) but I would please like to know in what ways they aren't.
Any help would be greatly appreciated, thanks.
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Thing is mate, we are not really right wing... Yes, some are.

What we want is one law for all and that law is the law of our land.

Classing the EDL as right wing is like classing the UAF as non violent or Islam as the religion of peace.

We are a very broad group from up and down the country of many different political, religious and social backgrounds.

It should be quite easy to actually turn the report around and compare the EDL and the UAF... Show them what a real fascist group is ;)
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we aint right wing
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Make sure you include how the EDL are massive supporters of the British Forces which squashes the whole "EDL are Nazis" thing.


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Dec 6 2010, 06:38 PM
I have to compare three right wing groups from three different countries, I thought I would do the English Defence League as you are probably the one I know the most about
Look for a right wing group by all means but you're in the wrong place here but, having said that, if the EDL are 'the one you know most about' you may as well give it up now, you haven't a clue.

'Bye.

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the edl in my understanding isnt right, middle or left, it isnt political in that sense

its a pressure group for freedom for all under uk law & against sharia

if you use the edl as an example of a right wing group it seems to me you would be falling into a trap & reinforcing the widespread propaganda against it

personally im a radical social liberal (small 'l')

you will read posts from all sorts of political perspectives here (except pseudo-liberal, 'new labour', etc, true enough! lol)
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I get you, I want to argue against the EDL being right-wing or having any political affiliations at all, I don't think I made that clear. Sorry. The fact is you were on a list my lecturer gave me of right wing groups and I wanted to sort of prove him wrong...
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may I ask what university you're at and the professors name or course number as I believe the teaching skills of your "professor" and his publicly voiced views to young minds should be very publicly called in to question?
A quote from our own shelfside: Not ignorance squishy bonce just a logical fact based intellect, devoid of ludicrous conspiracy theories!
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It's hard to say really, but what i can say is that i would never stand shoulder to shoulder with right wing extremists, racists, nazis etc etc, they're on a par with extremist muslims for me. And if that day ever come when that's the case with the EDL, then i'll quietly slip away and that will be that.
I'm not sure what we can achieve, but just being a voice or a movement people can relate to in the stand against the small minority of extremists who seem to have the run of this country because everyone's too scared to do anything for fear of being called right wing, racist (as your well informed lecturer does)
I'm not anti anyone other than people who are anti me, and anti England.
If their were no extremist muslims in this country i wouldn't be in the EDL, i don't thrive on conflict, never have, but by f**k i'm up for this.
Not a very clever summary, but an honest one.
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ok, i wish you luck with it, a worthwhile project, but dont underestimate the pressure of ideological bullying & im not referring to the edl here! lol
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Last year I had to do a huge research paper for my final project in my literature class. It had to be a political or controversial issue. I chose immigration. My argument was that our current immigrants are not working out because of their own faults and not because white people were being racist against them. I went step by step and laid out the whole paper well. My instructor was really really left wing and when I read my paper in class I could practically feel the fire breathing out from her nose lol. Anyways she reluctantly gave me an A on my paper after most of the class agreed with me ;)
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Dec 6 2010, 06:54 PM
may I ask what university you're at and the professors name or course number as I believe the teaching skills of your "professor" and his publicly voiced views to young minds should be very publicly called in to question?
Leeds met. Although lecturers are allowed to voice their opinions unlike they are at schools.


Edited the name out, it's not a good idea to name him/her.
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its easy to prove him wrong , but in doing that i have no doubt you will be ignored marked down and singled out as a trouble maker ,

a quick search on here will show you that we are of all types of people christians ,jews ,sikhs and non religious we have supporters from both sides of the political spectrum which can be seen if you attend our next demo on the 11th
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Dec 6 2010, 06:54 PM
what i can say is that i would never stand shoulder to shoulder with right wing extremists, racists, nazis etc etc, they're on a par with extremist muslims for me. And if that day ever come when that's the case with the EDL, then i'll quietly slip away and that will be that.

If their were no extremist muslims in this country i wouldn't be in the EDL, i don't thrive on conflict, never have, but by f**k i'm up for this.
Not a very clever summary, but an honest one.
i can use stuff like this, thanks a lot
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Dec 6 2010, 06:54 PM
may I ask what university you're at and the professors name or course number as I believe the teaching skills of your "professor" and his publicly voiced views to young minds should be very publicly called in to question?
This is part of the problem. The unis are full of lefty scumbags corrupting the minds of our young people, with impunity.
We really could do with having this lecturer's name. His e-mail address would be nice.
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Would be grateful if no one contacted him until I had completed my essay or it will be clear to him who it was who informed you of him?
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By the way would you tell your professor that the EDL gypsy with the mixed race son dares you to call him right wing to his face!
A quote from our own shelfside: Not ignorance squishy bonce just a logical fact based intellect, devoid of ludicrous conspiracy theories!
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Dec 6 2010, 07:04 PM
By the way would you tell your professor that the EDL gypsy with the mixed race son dares you to call him right wing to his face!
don't think I will be putting this in my essay. haha.
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does he drive an MG and wear a cravat with a tweed jacket by any chance?
A quote from our own shelfside: Not ignorance squishy bonce just a logical fact based intellect, devoid of ludicrous conspiracy theories!
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out of curiosity, what is his definition of 'right wing'? or did he just give a sample list of 'self-evidently' right wing groups?
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I am not right-wing ..and Jobbik !!! What an insult !!

Most people here will support you if you are objective. IF you use the EDL as a preceived right-wing group and report honestly then fine...

All you have to do is contact the EDL mods and mission statement. All you have to do is go through the many topics here to see the general view. You were honest as we have had students on here being silly. You will get honest answers as you are not a troll. I respect you for that.

Why is the EDL right-wing ? Couldnt it be labelled as left-wing in that it wants EQUALITY of law for all...

What is right-wing ? Capitalism ?? or is it another term for Racist ?

Please take this project on....and be honest. This is a non-political movement...single issue...and many different people here...

Try looking at the divisions...and contact those in the Gay, Jewish,Sikh,Christian Pakistani divisions....

What is the comparison you have to do ? Surprised you didnt contact the BNP or NF.

Sorry to disappoint you...we are non-racist and open for all.

You are welcome as you are honest..Look at the media and blow it apart with the truth.
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Dec 6 2010, 07:04 PM
By the way would you tell your professor that the EDL gypsy with the mixed race son dares you to call him right wing to his face!
don't think I will be putting this in my essay. haha.
and the Brown Sikh origin Brit with a wonderful Kraut-Brit son...
let your prof Fk.Off...if he calls me or my son nazis.
Edited by lionsingh, Dec 6 2010, 07:09 PM.
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Yea, just checked Edited the name out. - bearded Marxist. His e-mails available online - watch your grades plummet V if you do a decent report on EDL.
Edited by Ruby, Dec 6 2010, 07:36 PM.
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maybe you could attach a poll to your report of high street views of whether sharia law should be allowed in the uk? the overwhelming majority would say NO, surely you'd get extra credit for proving we are merely the "SHOUT OF THE PEOPLES WHISPER"
A quote from our own shelfside: Not ignorance squishy bonce just a logical fact based intellect, devoid of ludicrous conspiracy theories!
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Dec 6 2010, 07:03 PM
Would be grateful if no one contacted him until I had completed my essay or it will be clear to him who it was who informed you of him?
Fair shout.
Let us know later, though?
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Dec 6 2010, 06:52 PM
The fact is you were on a list my lecturer gave me of right wing groups and I wanted to sort of prove him wrong...

By all means do that but you need to do that before you start your work because the list of 'right wing' groups given to you is inaccurate.

Point out to him that his list is wrong therefore you cannot use the list he gave you to work with.
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Dec 6 2010, 07:13 PM
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Dec 6 2010, 07:03 PM
Would be grateful if no one contacted him until I had completed my essay or it will be clear to him who it was who informed you of him?
Fair shout.
Let us know later, though?
Yeh will do no worries
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Dec 6 2010, 07:15 PM
By all means do that but you need to do that before you start your work because the list of 'right wing' groups given to you is inaccurate.

Point out to him that his list is wrong therefore you cannot use the list he gave you to work with.
^^^^^^^^^^WHAT SHE SAID^^^^^^^^^^
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Dec 6 2010, 07:06 PM
I am not right-wing ..and Jobbik !!! What an insult !!

Most people here will support you if you are objective. IF you use the EDL as a preceived right-wing group and report honestly then fine...

All you have to do is contact the EDL mods and mission statement. All you have to do is go through the many topics here to see the general view. You were honest as we have had students on here being silly. You will get honest answers as you are not a troll. I respect you for that.

Why is the EDL right-wing ? Couldnt it be labelled as left-wing in that it wants EQUALITY of law for all...

What is right-wing ? Capitalism ?? or is it another term for Racist ?

Please take this project on....and be honest. This is a non-political movement...single issue...and many different people here...

Try looking at the divisions...and contact those in the Gay, Jewish,Sikh,Christian Pakistani divisions....

What is the comparison you have to do ? Surprised you didnt contact the BNP or NF.

Sorry to disappoint you...we are non-racist and open for all.

You are welcome as you are honest..Look at the media and blow it apart with the truth.
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Dec 6 2010, 07:04 PM
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Dec 6 2010, 07:04 PM
By the way would you tell your professor that the EDL gypsy with the mixed race son dares you to call him right wing to his face!
don't think I will be putting this in my essay. haha.
and the Brown Sikh origin Brit with a wonderful Kraut-Brit son...
let your prof Fk.Off...if he calls me or my son nazis.
I intent to report honestly and take apart the media. thanks for the mission statement heads up. As you have guessed I am not your average student and I thank you for that, I support the rise in tuition fees as I don't see why working people should pay for my education.
I don't think the EDL are right wing, you are just pointing out the obvious. i was going to use your divisions as proof you are not like the right wing parties on the list and therefore should not even be compared with them.

I am comparing you to the BNP as well, but obviously you will not have many similarities as I can point out your difference in your success in recent months.
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Dec 6 2010, 07:21 PM
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Dec 6 2010, 07:06 PM
I am not right-wing ..and Jobbik !!! What an insult !!

Most people here will support you if you are objective. IF you use the EDL as a preceived right-wing group and report honestly then fine...

All you have to do is contact the EDL mods and mission statement. All you have to do is go through the many topics here to see the general view. You were honest as we have had students on here being silly. You will get honest answers as you are not a troll. I respect you for that.

Why is the EDL right-wing ? Couldnt it be labelled as left-wing in that it wants EQUALITY of law for all...

What is right-wing ? Capitalism ?? or is it another term for Racist ?

Please take this project on....and be honest. This is a non-political movement...single issue...and many different people here...

Try looking at the divisions...and contact those in the Gay, Jewish,Sikh,Christian Pakistani divisions....

What is the comparison you have to do ? Surprised you didnt contact the BNP or NF.

Sorry to disappoint you...we are non-racist and open for all.

You are welcome as you are honest..Look at the media and blow it apart with the truth.
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Dec 6 2010, 07:04 PM

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and the Brown Sikh origin Brit with a wonderful Kraut-Brit son...
let your prof Fk.Off...if he calls me or my son nazis.
I intent to report honestly and take apart the media. thanks for the mission statement heads up. As you have guessed I am not your average student and I thank you for that, I support the rise in tuition fees as I don't see why working people should pay for my education.
I don't think the EDL are right wing, you are just pointing out the obvious. i was going to use your divisions as proof you are not like the right wing parties on the list and therefore should not even be compared with them.

I am comparing you to the BNP as well, but obviously you will not have many similarities as I can point out your difference in your success in recent months.
well... fk the Gri$$inites.......

BNP Leader Reminds BNP Supporters that EDL Is Proscribed
Tue, 10/08/2010 - 13:25 | BNP News
The leader of the British National Party, Nick Griffin MEP, has reminded all party supporters that the English Defence League is a proscribed organisation and members are under no circumstances to attend or encourage others to attend any of that group’s meetings.

You will get supporters of the BNP as other parties...

Why can we get 1000 plus people on the streets and the multitude of different groups supporting us ?

It is simples

Look at the agenda of nazi sh1t and ours.

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Just been researching V's teacher Edited out the name. at Leeds Met.

He's presented papers to the conferences of the Political Studies Association Marxist Working Group.

He's on the Editorial Board of the quarterly Marxist journal - Historcal Materialism.

He's also pictured on Leeds RedWatch site - apparently he's a member of the Socialist Alliance and the Anti-Nazi League.

Your typical example of a politics lecturer in Higher Education? :)
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What degree are you doing mate. I'm in the edl because I'm sick to death of Islamic extremists and their groups being pandered to by sell out politicans. I'm not a neo-Nazi far-right racist and the English Defence League is not a the bunch violent racist drunk hooligans the Media portray us to be.We've got members from all races,religons and classes.At demos nearly all violence is instigated by the UAF,a violent,anti-English group.


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The EDL can't be conciderd right wing what's so ever, we have gay members, we have Muslim members.

To say that the EDL is right wing is just pure ignorance. You tutor shoulden be a tutor at all if be Cabot even open his mind and research the task instead of fight the truth
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SW: did you type that from a phone, mate?
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Hi V, i'd like to start off by agreeing with the majority of posts on here that we are not Right wing, i've always believed that facism is a right wing stance so with that in mind why don't you turn this argument on its head & point out how UAF have become a right wing group.

This is something I wrote whilst researching the EDL before I joined up, there are several points in this piece that can be easily torn down but I hope you see the gist of my argument about the UAF being facist:

"When facism comes, it will be called anti-facism"

On 05/03/10 the streets of London rang with chants of "Nazi scum off our streets", "6 million dead, never again" & "Auschwitz, never again" but when the people whom these chants are aimed at come into view, are they skinheads? - no, are they nazi's? - no. To the untrained eye they look like ordinary people so we must ask ourselves an important question are the nazi's really returning?
I'm afraid in my mind the answer is yes, the nazi's are returning but they are not the EDL who did a very good job of not rising to these insults & conducted themselves admirably.
The nazi's go under the banner of the UAF.

To explain my position on this I will tell you what I believe to be the facts about these two groups.
The EDL (English Defence League) has been formed as a reponse to the Islamification of England, they welcome people from all races & walks of life. They are not against all muslims & respect their right to practice their religion peacefully as long as it does not infringe on our culture, way of life & our laws.
What they are against is mosques that preach hate, intolerance & murder. They are also against sharia law, under sharia law a women is reduced to being a mans property, sharia does not recognise marital rape or gay rights. Punishments under sharia law can include stoning, lashes & even amputation. Before you say this will not happen in the UK I must advise you that in August 2009 the think tank Civitas concluded that there are around 85 sharia courts operating in the UK.

The UAF (Unite Against Facism) groups main aim is to alert the UK of the threat of the far right, in particular the BNP (British National Party). they were originaly formed from a coalition including the anti-nazi league, the national assembly against racism and several trade & worker unions. The UAF have been linked with both the Labour party & the Conservatives.
When the EDL was formed the UAF expanded their operations to include stopping this group from protesting & gaining popular support.

Now onto my reasons for labeling the UAF as nazi's, to start I shall give a very brief summary of nazi's. Nazism was a collection of ideas, concepts & philosophies to pave the way for Grossdeutschland (Greater Germany). Nazism uses facism (oppressive, dictatorial control) to merge seemingly opposed ideas from both the far left & far right.
To gain power the nazi's used propoganda (propoganda is the art of persuading others that your side of the story is correct) as minister of enlightenment Goebbels had two main tasks:
1: to ensure that nobody in Germany could see anything that was damaging to the nazi party.
2:to ensure that the views of the nazis were put across in the most persuasive manner possible.
The fact that Goebbels had so much power is indicative of how important Hitler thought it was to ensure that the people were won over or intimidated into accepting Nazi rule.
The UAF frequently wave banners bearing the slogan BNP + EDL = NAZI but the EDL have no known links with the BNP, propoganda? On the UAF website they state that they need as many people as possible to attend the EDL London march because "If they (the EDL) do not meet any opposition, they may go on the rampage against Asians and others" propoganda?
Peter Hain MP, founder of the anti nazi league claims "The English Defence League, together with their allies the BNP, represent a racist and fascist threat – not just to Muslims but to our Black, Asian and Jewish citizens too." As I have already stated the EDL have no known links with the BNP, also the EDL welcome people from all races so Mr Hains statement starts to look like lies & propoganda. When the EDL try to protest they are drowned out by people chanting "who's streets, our streets" for some reason this chant always sounds like the nazi chant "Zeig Heil" The UAF try to incite violence which can be used against the EDL in press reports & are supported by the government who are trying to force us into a European superstate, which is led by an unelected president (we were not given a referendum on joining the EU and we did note get to vote on who should be president) perhaps we should call it "Grosseuropeland"
This government is using oppressive, dictatorial control to force two opposing views together to create a new order in the UK & as the UAF have ties to the government they are seen to be helping in this also, by trying to prevent the EDL from speaking out with their concerns they are preventing free speech.
To sum up the UAF are preventing free speech & using propoganda to assist what is rapidly becoming a facist government to create an all controlling superstate. Whilst they are not quite nazi's yet they are most certainly becoming them. The strangest thing in all of this is that they have become the facists they claim to fight against.
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SW: did you type that from a phone, mate?
Lolyer it's my bloody iPhone 4, iv had it ages but still can't get used tothe thing and it keeps changing words when I don want it to
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tell him im from a irish catholic family .northern ireland
brought up in multi racial birmingham.pals of all descriptions
tell him i am not right wing
but because of a low education i have a history of smacking people with bats left wing or right wing .
i can only put up with blah blah blah for so long.maybe its because i am working class
whats he got to blab about the working class.
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Dec 6 2010, 07:03 PM
Would be grateful if no one contacted him until I had completed my essay or it will be clear to him who it was who informed you of him?
lets hope he isnt one of the guests reading this thread then, im not sure i would want my boy being taught by this biased individual.
There are those who sit and await their fate,
others stand against this hate,
NO SURRENDER we all shout,
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SW: did you type that from a phone, mate?
Lolyer it's my bloody iPhone 4, iv had it ages but still can't get used tothe thing and it keeps changing words when I don want it to
Haha, I know how that goes, it's a pain. I used to type in 'haha' to people and it would change it to 'Hathaway'. WTF!? :D
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love the EDL...disagree with you views
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EDL are right wing in the context that we believe that the world should be divided by borders, and humans live in nations. Other than that, we are not right wing, we have no right wing political ideology apart from that of believing in borders and not a borderless world, that is a far left ideology.

EDL are not racists, we have black, white, asian and people from every religion. If the EDL were racist I wouldn't associate myself with them.

We are not nazis. We have members from the homosexual community, Jews and we support Israel, the Jewish state. Again, if the EDL were nazis I wouldn't be supporting them, I'd be protesting against them.

The EDL members are pretty diverse, yes, there are a lot of white people, but, the vast vast majority of the UK is white.

Edited by Zcott, Dec 6 2010, 11:06 PM.
I may criticize the EDL a bit, but I support the cause 100%.
Armchair division. I may not go to demos, but I'm there in spirit.
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@~Captain Chaos

love the EDL...disagree with you views
I haven't read all of Captain Chaos' post as it's very long so I've got to ask, what were the views of his that you diagree with m8?
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You want right wing then you need to approach this as a piece on Islamo-fascism. The biggest Nazi party in the U.K is Hizb Ut-Tahrir http://www.hizb.org.uk/ a political party whose ideology is Islam. The Global Islamic Political Party working for the reestablishment of Khilafah, Caliphate. Do you understand what these terms Khilafah, Caliphate mean? There is more than enough meat on the bones to argue that wishing for Sharia law to be introduced and end of democracy is akin to a Fascist Ideology is it not? Home Sapien will give you loads of info on these nasty pieces of work.
Look at this link to get your juices going http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/newsnight/3182271.stm
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Dec 6 2010, 06:54 PM
may I ask what university you're at and the professors name or course number as I believe the teaching skills of your "professor" and his publicly voiced views to young minds should be very publicly called in to question?
Leeds met. Although lecturers are allowed to voice their opinions unlike they are at schools.


Edited the name out, it's not a good idea to name him/her.
That figures that place is a breeding ground for UAF.
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Dec 6 2010, 10:55 PM
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SW: did you type that from a phone, mate?
Lolyer it's my bloody iPhone 4, iv had it ages but still can't get used tothe thing and it keeps changing words when I don want it to
Haha, I know how that goes, it's a pain. I used to type in 'haha' to people and it would change it to 'Hathaway'. WTF!? :D
Yer it changes stuff all the time and it makes menlook like an bit of a teat
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Dec 6 2010, 11:08 PM
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Haha, I know how that goes, it's a pain. I used to type in 'haha' to people and it would change it to 'Hathaway'. WTF!? :D
Yer it changes stuff all the time and it makes menlook like an bit of a teat
Ok that was ment to be me-look and twat lololol
Edited by SavageWolf, Dec 6 2010, 11:12 PM.
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^ LOL :D


..V..: would be good to start of with uncontroversial definitions, then see whether or not they apply to the EDL.
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id love to be able to do an assignment on the EDL, but no, i have to do it on how divvy little kids learn.

Do what some of the other guys have suggested and use one of the many racist/hate-filled islamist groups.
Love England, Hate Islam
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excellant post from 'captain caos' above.

the edl as a movement is not a political one in my eyes as its not a party and holds no membership. there are a mixture from every walk of life. but i'd take a guess that the average supporter is slightly right of centre as opposed to been left of centre..

having said that, me personaly would describe myself as been a patriotic / nationalist though not a racial nationalist, a geographical self determining one.

to me is does'nt make any sense to be all left wing or all right wing. sure there are some right wing things i agree with, and there are some left wing things i agree with. talk about a political see saw.

but from what i can see it doesnt really matter how we present ourselves, those who wish to silence us for their own sinister reasons will always portray us as far-right -nazi lovin- freedom oppressing fascists despite proof of the exact opposite easy to see for everyone all over this forum....

and ya average limp spirited marxist lecturer will always see 'US' as a threat and not part of a solution.


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Firstly... there is no real question as to whether the EDL is a political movement. It is not possible to have group of people together who wish to change an aspect of society and yet claim that they are not political. Certainly they are not PARTY political; members encompass all the leading parties as well as some of the fringe ones. I imagine that the BNP have some members who also contribute to this forum as do liberal and labour supporters. However; one opinion appears to unite those who contribute positively to this forum. The opposition to Extremist Activities.

It is an unfortunate truth that many of the extremist actions that have so badly affected our country and the west in general involve either extreme muslims or nations that support them. These are the targets of the EDL's opposition. As to why the EDL have become more of a necessity in our society one has to look at the political trends that were apparent prior to its inception.

We live in a country that values immigration. The more sensible among us recognise that immigration is completely necessary under some restrictions. When these restrictions are removed, however, our leaders are effctively sending a message that we are not simply, "open for business", but "open for invasion".

Immigrants, gradually strengthening their influence on our legilature, have successfully campaigned to ensure that they enjoy the same rights as native britons. At first glance this seems justified but when we look at it more closely we can see that legislation has gone one step further and in some areas actually favours the immigrant population over the indiginous british people.

When the immigrant population meet a brick wall... a poin of law that forbids them from importing the way of life from their country of origin; some will aceept it and begin to integrate properly. Others, however, will bring about campaigns, including those that include extreme violence, to impose their own beliefs on the nation they are now residing in. IN this case it is Britain.

No one here would deny that in the past Britain has been guilty of colinialist activities. However this is not the past and civilisation has moved on from those barbaric times that existed many hundreds of years ago. NOw, by contrast, Britain is in the grip of an attemp at colonisation by a civilsation whose beliefs are so far removed from our own that to allow them to run unchecked can only lead to violent unrest in the future.

We have progressed from a country where citizens are allowed to have their say and debate openly without fear of attack... to one where anyone who displays concern, or wishes to talk about the beliefs of a society whose religious laws contradict our own, face abuse from those who would prefer to hide their heads beneath the pillow rather than face the monster under the bed.

In conclusion:

It is dangerous for a society to question its own beliefs. It is risky, even in the UK for groups of like minded individuals to question the operational attitudes of law enforcement agencies. Raising issues with your child's school concerning the balance of teaching of religious doctrines will often lead you to a list of "parents of interest"; especially in local commuinities who have high levels of muslim or other asian residents.

The EDL exist, in my opinion, to allow people to voice a concern. To ask our political leaders why they continue to allow extremism in our country. And to campaign... politically if necessary, to bring the government to a situation whereby an open statement is issued that ALL residents in the UK are subject to UK law. No exceptions.

In conclusion I shall present this final, admittedly anecdotal story...

I live in Luton.

When our military was begged to go into Afghanistan... while our soldiers were being shot... and while our wounded were being evacuated back to the UK with injuries that would stay with them for the rest of their lives, the Arndale shopping Centre in the middle of our town as host to an army of extremists who were begging residents to sign up to fight AGAINST the country they were living in...ie the UK.

I call myself a moderate. I like to think that I will consider both sides of the argument... my side AND the wrong side.

Now there is an organisation that is noth frightened to say what is wrong... but also that is not sufficiently extreme as to align themselves with Nick Griffin and end up labelling themselves a hate group.

In my opinion. Any lecturer, liberal; conservative; socialist or any other... who would openly deny the right of other people to express their legitiamte fears and beliefs... renders himself open to the accusation of being fascist.

Sorry guys... a long post I know... but I thought I might write his outline for him.
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Dec 6 2010, 11:32 PM
In my opinion. Any lecturer, liberal; conservative; socialist or any other... who would openly deny the right of other people to express their legitiamte fears and beliefs... renders himself open to the accusation of being fascist.
EXACTLY.
i couldnt of said it better myself. ;)


"A MANS MORAL WORTH IS ESTABLISHED ONLY AT THE POINT WHERE HE IS READY TO GIVE UP HIS LIFE IN DEFENSE OF HIS CONVICTIONS".... HENNING VON TRESCKOW










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V when you put your assignment together do it as tho you are a complete neutral..

what i mean is take a step back and your opening gambit should be something like - what is a right wing group, and what defines a group as being right wing in the eyes of the public...

then you can say that during your research into the EDL you found out that the EDL are embracing all religions, creeds, colours and sexes into its ranks, give and show examples either in a powerpoint format or from scanned photos clearly showing different coloured people and ensure the rainbow flag is in at least one of your pictures. If as you say your lecturer is a typical lefty, as him what his views on the EDL are.

Or take a different stand and research the MDL etc or even the UAF. Show footage of the UAF at bolton (last series of coppers) and ask the question if there were no islamic extremists in the UK milking the UK etc, would there be a need for the EDL.
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