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We are being persecuted for our culture, ethnicity and Religion
Topic Started: Dec 6 2010, 08:29 AM (794 Views)
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We are being persecuted for our culture, ethnicity and Religion
Persecution, what exactly does it mean and in today's crazy world who exactly is persecuting who.

What is persecution - I hear Wikipedia calling:-

Persecution is the systematic mistreatment of an individual or group by another group. The most common forms are religious persecution, ethnic persecution, and political persecution, though there is naturally some overlap between these terms. The inflicting of suffering, harassment, isolation, imprisonment, fear, pain or exclusion.

It is my contention that the indigenous population of this country and Europe are in fact being persecuted, the forms of persecution visited upon us are political and ethnic, ethnic invariably includes religious.

The concept that it is only "minorities" that are persecuted by "majorities" in my mind is a misconception, indeed I think it is quite common for a majority to be persecuted by a minority.

Our government is far smaller than the population of this country yet I believe that its actions and the actions of preceding governments have been persecutory towards the indigenous population of this country.

Majority persecution arises when a minority has power over a majority by means of social control, via the policing of a state, and military force at it's disposal, plus the ability to pass legislation which disarms the indigenous population and places them at risk of retribution, from the state, if they, the population do not comply to the wishes of the government.

It is my contention that this is exactly the situation we have in the UK.

This persecution is without doubt both ethnic and religious and is carried out by people of the same ethnicity and religion as the indigenous population - a truly perverse situation.

The sub strand to this is the introduction of millions of people from other cultures, cultures which are the complete antithesis of our own, this is in my opinion NOT accidental.

The introduction of Islam on a large scale within our culture actually works for the original persecutors - in this case the governments past and present of the UK, by encouraging and promoting this ideology they, the government, have what appears to be a perfectly legitimate reason for suppressing and persecuting the host population - this is done under the guise of the ubiquitous Equalities legislation and Quangos.

This tactic also raises the status of the "visitor" to a position of disproportionate power within the host country, this in turn leads to demands upon the state, which the state cannot refuse because to do so would actually go against their multicultural beliefs, this in turn leads to a further persecution of the indigenous peoples by the visitor.

The persecution is shown in the form of what I call "social violence", this is aggressive and violent manifestations aimed at the host population by the visitor for any trivial slight that they perceive to be against them.

The furor they cause concerning the "slight" is quickly translated into a Law or a "guideline which acts against the host population - this is in fact persecution.

The Christian people are in fact the most persecuted people on this planet, I do not think I have to tell you who the persecutors are

Here is an overview

• StarAsia Bibi, a 45-year-old Christian mother of five in Pakistan, remains on death row — after spending more than a year in prison — for allegedly blaspheming the Prophet Muhammad. Last week, a court blocked a presidential pardon until an appeals court hears her case. Also in Pakistan, police said two Muslim extremists shot a Christian to death in Punjab province shortly after the victim was granted bail in a “blasphemy” case — and less than a week after Islamic militants in the same province killed four members of a Christian family for their faith.

• In Uzbekistan, a Christian man has been fined the equivalent of seven years' salary for possessing a movie about Jesus.

Virtually every human rights group and Western government agency that monitors the plight of Christians worldwide arrives at more or less the same conclusion: Between 200 million and 230 million of them face daily threats of murder, beating, imprisonment and torture, and a further 350 to 400 million encounter discrimination in areas such as jobs and housing. A conservative estimate of the number of Christians killed for their faith each year is somewhere around 150,000.

Christians are “the largest single group in the world which is being denied human rights on the basis of their faith,” the World Evangelical Alliance has noted.

In a report to a conference on Christian persecution hosted by the European Parliament last month, the U.S. Pew Forum on Religion and Public Life put it this way: while Muslims and Jews worldwide and Baha'is in Iran certainly suffer too, Christians were “harassed” by government factors in 102 countries and by social factors, such as mob rule, in 101 countries.

“Altogether, Christians faced some form of harassment in two-thirds of all countries,” or 133 nations, the report said. Muslims also face “substantial” harassment, the Pew report found, but in fewer countries.

Christians face harassment in more countries “than any other religious group,” a Pew Forum spokesperson told the Star.

Put in sharper focus, “at least” 75 per cent of all religious persecution in the world is directed against Christians, the conference was told.

The euphemistic term “harassment” encompasses vigilante and terrorist attacks against Christians in more than a dozen Muslim countries. In Sudan, an estimated 1.5 million Christians have been murdered by the Islamic Janjaweed militia, including some who were crucified. In Nigeria, 12 states have introduced sharia law. Thousands of Christians were killed in the ensuing violence.

In Saudi Arabia, the only faith permitted by law is Islam. Christians are regularly imprisoned and tortured on trumped-up charges of drinking alcohol, blaspheming or owning religious artifacts.

In Egypt, Coptic Christians are still reeling from a church attack last January in which eight worshippers were killed. “The situation is deteriorating and is very tense,” Sam Fanous, a leader of Toronto's Coptic community, told the Star from Cairo. He said that after Friday Muslim prayers, streets fill with anti-Coptic protests.

In historically tolerant Indonesia, Islamic militias have bombed churches in majority Christian regions and killed or forcibly converted thousands.

China, meantime, continues to shutter “underground” churches and ship pastors to prison.

Open Doors International, a group that reaches out to persecuted Christians, lists the 10 most repressive countries for minority religions and Christians in particular: North Korea, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Somalia, Maldives, Afghanistan, Yemen, Mauritania, Laos and Uzbekistan.

The plight of Christians in Communist and formerly Communist countries is “slowly easing,” says Marshall, but getting worse in India and across the Muslim and Arab world, where even to own a Bible means courting danger.

The reasons for this torment are complex, but generally in these places Christianity is seen as a proselytizing faith and a vehicle for Western imperialism and colonialism. “There is a tendency to associate Christianity with the West,” Marshall says.

So why aren't Christians marching in the streets and demanding action the way Jews did on behalf of their Soviet brethren in the 1970s and '80s?

“Because most of the persecution of Christians is not happening in our own backyard and the issue is not generally reported in the mainstream media,” says Corey Odden, CEO of The Voice of the Martyrs Canada, which is dedicated to raising awareness and support for persecuted Christians around the world.

“The lack of understanding comes from a lack of knowledge.”

Marshall, co-author of a 1997 book about Christian persecution, Their Blood Cries Out, has another reply: “I kick myself [and] ask myself that all the time.”

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Britain is a Christian country, all of it's social foundations are based upon the Christian philosophy, we have all seen how this and previous governments have reduced the Christian faith to a virtual sideshow in preference to promoting Islam in the UK.

Why should a government actually facilitate this situation in it's own country, I think that the original political persecution was just that "political" the pursuance of an impossible social dream, the introduction of counter cultures was initially to break the culture of these Islands - to fragment the population, to change it from a cohesive civilization into an easily manipulated and controlled and yes subjugated population.

What has happened, every minority ethnic group that has been brought in has wanted to support it's own culture, to expand its culture - this is the very opposite of what the socialist plan wanted.

The government does not know what to do regarding Islam - it does not have a clue, hence it will accept all of the reports and advice - however spurious or misleading and in doing so it further persecutes the host population.

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That was a good read up til halfway,I agreed with it til then,lost interest because what goes on in other countries is of no concern to me and Im not bothered
This is the lesson;never give in never give in ,never,never,never,never- in nothing,great or small, large or petty-never give in,except to convictions of honour and good sense,never yield to force,never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the enemy.
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Very interesting.

"Why should a government actually facilitate this situation in it's own country?"

(1) as above, "the pursuance of an impossible social dream"

(2) in the case of new labour, the creation of a new core labour vote to replace its shrinking old 'working class' core vote - of immigrants who vote, 85% vote labour

"The government does not know what to do regarding Islam"

Spot on!

"hence it will accept all of the reports and advice - however spurious or misleading and in doing so it further persecutes the host population."

The advice they have been receiving is that the problem is not islam, or religion, but one of 'identity' - young immigrants, especially 2nd & 3rd generation, are confused about their identity, so use religious affiliation to bolster their weak identity & to boost their feeling of self-respect. This is what is supposedly driving 'radicalisation', though why 'radical buddhists' or 'radical sikhs arent appearing isnt explained. Hence, the way forward is to do everything possible to make them feel at home in their country (=UK, our country) & to show 'respect' for their religion & culture,, that is, to make the UK, its laws, customs & practices, as 'islam-friendly' as possible.

Of course this is a high-risk strategy, probably founded on false premises, which in any event could only succeed if the host population (=us) are prepared to tolerate it.
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And people recently voted for more of this. :unsure:
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Dec 6 2010, 08:39 AM
That was a good read up til halfway,I agreed with it til then,lost interest because what goes on in other countries is of no concern to me and Im not bothered
if we hadnt been interested in another counrty called poland,we would all be speaking german and reading my kampf now.i wouldnt be so ignorant of other countries if i was you matey.like it said near the end of the report LACK OF UNDERSTANDING IS LACK OF KNOWLEDGE.that is what is up with most of the english some times,not to much thought,to much ignorance.

keep the faith

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Dec 6 2010, 08:39 AM
That was a good read up til halfway,I agreed with it til then,lost interest because what goes on in other countries is of no concern to me and Im not bothered
if we hadnt been interested in another counrty called poland,we would all be speaking german and reading my kampf now.i wouldnt be so ignorant of other countries if i was you matey.like it said near the end of the report LACK OF UNDERSTANDING IS LACK OF KNOWLEDGE.that is what is up with most of the english some times,not to much thought,to much ignorance.

keep the faith

paxi :)
I couldnt give a monkeys toss about what goes on in other countries what they do to their own people ,I care about what is happening here to my people and my country,If we didnt go poking around and worrying whts going on in some far flung land and concentrated all our efforts on the problems we have in England,we wouldnt be in the state we are in now
This is the lesson;never give in never give in ,never,never,never,never- in nothing,great or small, large or petty-never give in,except to convictions of honour and good sense,never yield to force,never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the enemy.
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im sue i read in one of your posts that you would start to post something of interest?

keep the faith

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Dec 6 2010, 11:37 AM
im sue i read in one of your posts that you would start to post something of interest?

keep the faith

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Coming up ;)
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Dec 6 2010, 11:37 AM
im sue i read in one of your posts that you would start to post something of interest?

keep the faith

paxi :)
Theres a couple to be going on with,maybe not everones cup of tea,but what was it you said about Knowledge ;)
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This is the lesson;never give in never give in ,never,never,never,never- in nothing,great or small, large or petty-never give in,except to convictions of honour and good sense,never yield to force,never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the enemy.
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Dec 6 2010, 11:37 AM
im sue i read in one of your posts that you would start to post something of interest?

keep the faith

paxi :)
Coming up ;)
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Dec 6 2010, 11:37 AM
im sue i read in one of your posts that you would start to post something of interest?

keep the faith

paxi :)
Theres a couple to be going on with,maybe not everones cup of tea,but what was it you said about Knowledge ;)
it anti sharia/islam.not paint by numbers in the off topic..pmsl.bye :D

keep the faith

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im sue i read in one of your posts that you would start to post something of interest?

keep the faith

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Coming up ;)
paxi christi
Dec 6 2010, 11:37 AM
im sue i read in one of your posts that you would start to post something of interest?

keep the faith

paxi :)
Theres a couple to be going on with,maybe not everones cup of tea,but what was it you said about Knowledge ;)
it anti sharia/islam.not paint by numbers in the off topic..pmsl.bye :D

keep the faith

paxi :)
Sorry you feel that way,for me I need to know about my history and the people who shaped this land of ours so I can begin to see the reasons why I HATE what is happening by this religion of hate,
This is the lesson;never give in never give in ,never,never,never,never- in nothing,great or small, large or petty-never give in,except to convictions of honour and good sense,never yield to force,never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the enemy.
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it anti sharia/islam.not paint by numbers in the off topic..pmsl.bye :D

keep the faith

paxi :)
Sorry you feel that way,for me I need to know about my history and the people who shaped this land of ours so I can begin to see the reasons why I HATE what is happening by this religion of hate,
you have just wrote iYOU DONT GIVE A fcuk ABOUT OTHER COUNTRIES?.now you say you want to learn about how we were shaped?you truley are one of the ignoramous.or one who is acting the part of one.

keep the faith

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Dec 6 2010, 12:46 PM
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Sorry you feel that way,for me I need to know about my history and the people who shaped this land of ours so I can begin to see the reasons why I HATE what is happening by this religion of hate,
you have just wrote iYOU DONT GIVE A fcuk ABOUT OTHER COUNTRIES?.now you say you want to learn about how we were shaped?you truley are one of the ignoramous.or one who is acting the part of one.

keep the faith

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I guess by your reply that you didnt fully understand my meaning,I do not care what other countries do their laws and customs are their affairs,as are ours,I am Just proud and indeed interested in thepeople that hve shaped This country,not that I will get into the realms of whether Im an ignoramous or not , I just have a healthy knowledge of my countrys history and not just the last 50 yeas or so,Maybe If you read the posts regarding English History you would see it from my point of view
This is the lesson;never give in never give in ,never,never,never,never- in nothing,great or small, large or petty-never give in,except to convictions of honour and good sense,never yield to force,never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the enemy.
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50 yrs?islam is 1400 yrs ago.modern history.lolol.its good to know .but you have to go way back in time,and other countries t know your enemy.

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Dec 6 2010, 08:39 AM
That was a good read up til halfway,I agreed with it til then,lost interest because what goes on in other countries is of no concern to me and Im not bothered
if we hadnt been interested in another counrty called poland,we would all be speaking german and reading my kampf now.i wouldnt be so ignorant of other countries if i was you matey.like it said near the end of the report LACK OF UNDERSTANDING IS LACK OF KNOWLEDGE.that is what is up with most of the english some times,not to much thought,to much ignorance.

keep the faith

paxi :)

You're absolutely spot on there, paxi.

We need to observe and take note of how islamists are operating in other countries so we may prepare the defence of our own country well in advance. If the islamists are allowed free reign to flourish in other countries then the islamic advance is able to consolidate and then move on the next terrortory in it's sights - and the next target in line is us.

We will do well by being aware of out neighbours plight, we need to offer them as much help and support as we possibly can as th perils of islamisation are comon to us all.



Face the facts ;)
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Dec 6 2010, 01:00 PM
50 yrs?islam is 1400 yrs ago.modern history.lolol.its good to know .but you have to go way back in time,and other countries t know your enemy.

keep the faaaaith

paxi :)
My only enemies Paxi are thosewho invade my country and try to take whats rightfully ours.Normans since 1066 and the muslims today,although the real enemy for me is from within,The successive govts. that has brought this situation about,I guess you and I have difering views except for the the threat of Islam and for me at the moment its the most important issue.
This is the lesson;never give in never give in ,never,never,never,never- in nothing,great or small, large or petty-never give in,except to convictions of honour and good sense,never yield to force,never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the enemy.
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50 yrs?islam is 1400 yrs ago.modern history.lolol.its good to know .but you have to go way back in time,and other countries t know your enemy.

keep the faaaaith

paxi :)
My only enemies Paxi are thosewho invade my country and try to take whats rightfully ours.Normans since 1066 and the muslims today,although the real enemy for me is from within,The successive govts. that has brought this situation about,I guess you and I have difering views except for the the threat of Islam and for me at the moment its the most important issue.
islam hasnt invaded these shores this time round...............no.it was invited by those who voted new labour.im sick of hearing it was tony blair and co.it was the voters fault aswell.did you think or know that too HUSCARL.

keep the faith

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I couldnt give a monkeys toss about what goes on in other countries what they do to their own people ,I care about what is happening here to my people and my country,If we didnt go poking around and worrying whts going on in some far flung land and concentrated all our efforts on the problems we have in England,we wouldnt be in the state we are in now
The problem is that a majority of English people think exactly like you, except they couldn't give a monkeys toss about anything that happens outside their house and what is happening in the celebrity world.

How comforting it must be to live in such isolation.
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That was a good read up til halfway,I agreed with it til then,lost interest because what goes on in other countries is of no concern to me and Im not bothered
if we hadnt been interested in another counrty called poland,we would all be speaking german and reading my kampf now.i wouldnt be so ignorant of other countries if i was you matey.like it said near the end of the report LACK OF UNDERSTANDING IS LACK OF KNOWLEDGE.that is what is up with most of the english some times,not to much thought,to much ignorance.

keep the faith

paxi :)

You're absolutely spot on there, paxi.

We need to observe and take note of how islamists are operating in other countries so we may prepare the defence of our own country well in advance. If the islamists are allowed free reign to flourish in other countries then the islamic advance is able to consolidate and then move on the next terrortory in it's sights - and the next target in line is us.

We will do well by being aware of out neighbours plight, we need to offer them as much help and support as we possibly can as th perils of islamisation are comon to us all.



Face the facts ;)
I take your point Christine,but who are our friends and allies,we too many times freely offer up our help to our supposed friends only to be stabbed in the back and sh*t on,We have no friends imo the best part of the world hates us.Bring our soldiers home to defend our borders ,shut the borders permantly and drive the evil out,under no way is that a slur on our brave men and women in the sevices
This is the lesson;never give in never give in ,never,never,never,never- in nothing,great or small, large or petty-never give in,except to convictions of honour and good sense,never yield to force,never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the enemy.
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That was a good read up til halfway,I agreed with it til then,lost interest because what goes on in other countries is of no concern to me and Im not bothered
if we hadnt been interested in another counrty called poland,we would all be speaking german and reading my kampf now.i wouldnt be so ignorant of other countries if i was you matey.like it said near the end of the report LACK OF UNDERSTANDING IS LACK OF KNOWLEDGE.that is what is up with most of the english some times,not to much thought,to much ignorance.

keep the faith

paxi :)
I couldnt give a monkeys toss about what goes on in other countries what they do to their own people ,I care about what is happening here to my people and my country,If we didnt go poking around and worrying whts going on in some far flung land and concentrated all our efforts on the problems we have in England,we wouldnt be in the state we are in now
You always have to say "I don't give a toss" or the like don't you! your compassion overwhelms me. Do you wonder why no one replies to your posts anymore?
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Dec 6 2010, 01:14 PM
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50 yrs?islam is 1400 yrs ago.modern history.lolol.its good to know .but you have to go way back in time,and other countries t know your enemy.

keep the faaaaith

paxi :)
My only enemies Paxi are thosewho invade my country and try to take whats rightfully ours.Normans since 1066 and the muslims today,although the real enemy for me is from within,The successive govts. that has brought this situation about,I guess you and I have difering views except for the the threat of Islam and for me at the moment its the most important issue.
islam hasnt invaded these shores this time round...............no.it was invited by those who voted new labour.im sick of hearing it was tony blair and co.it was the voters fault aswell.did you think or know that too HUSCARL.

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To me its an invasion,yes many were invited by the voters,IDID know that but there are many that are illegals.THAT to me is an invasion.
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Dec 6 2010, 01:15 PM
HUSCARL
Dec 6 2010, 11:32 AM
I couldnt give a monkeys toss about what goes on in other countries what they do to their own people ,I care about what is happening here to my people and my country,If we didnt go poking around and worrying whts going on in some far flung land and concentrated all our efforts on the problems we have in England,we wouldnt be in the state we are in now
The problem is that a majority of English people think exactly like you, except they couldn't give a monkeys toss about anything that happens outside their house and what is happening in the celebrity world.

How comforting it must be to live in such isolation.
And that is precisely my whole point ,I only care about the English for too lng we have suffered as third class citizens.
Edited by HUSCARL, Dec 6 2010, 01:26 PM.
This is the lesson;never give in never give in ,never,never,never,never- in nothing,great or small, large or petty-never give in,except to convictions of honour and good sense,never yield to force,never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the enemy.
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And that is precisely my whole point ,I only care about the English for too lng we have suffered as third class citizens.
La-la laa, I don't care. Anyway what do you think about Cheryl Coles new £3.2M X-Factor deal? Isn't it FAB! :)
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I couldnt give a monkeys toss about what goes on in other countries what they do to their own people ,I care about what is happening here to my people and my country,If we didnt go poking around and worrying whts going on in some far flung land and concentrated all our efforts on the problems we have in England,we wouldnt be in the state we are in now
You always have to say "I don't give a toss" or the like don't you! your compassion overwhelms me. Do you wonder why no one replies to your posts anymore?
Sorry ,I think you are confusing me with someone else,I cant recall saying it that many times to be noticeable,as for compassion I have it in spade loads ,for the elderly for the poor the homeless the infirm ,the less fortunate than myself of England.And if people arent responding to my posts,that is their choice,though I still think you have me mixed up with someone else.
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Dec 6 2010, 01:29 PM
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Dec 6 2010, 01:23 PM
And that is precisely my whole point ,I only care about the English for too lng we have suffered as third class citizens.
La-la laa, I don't care. Anyway what do you think about Cheryl Coles new £3.2M X-Factor deal? Isn't it FAB! :)
To be honest I dont watch those type of programmes,I think the money She is getting is Hideous,much rather it be donated to a worthwhile charity,now that I do care about
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This is the lesson;never give in never give in ,never,never,never,never- in nothing,great or small, large or petty-never give in,except to convictions of honour and good sense,never yield to force,never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the enemy.
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I take your point Christine,but who are our friends and allies,we too many times freely offer up our help to our supposed friends only to be stabbed in the back and sh*t on,We have no friends imo the best part of the world hates us.Bring our soldiers home to defend our borders ,shut the borders permantly and drive the evil out,under no way is that a slur on our brave men and women in the sevices

I do undertand your view a little more now, you indicate that there seems to be concerns over trust and betrayel.

Looking at the sorry state of the EU and the recent leadership of member countries with the EU, we have all been lied to and deceived by those in the most responsible of positins. I firmly believe that european nation states are now waking up and beginning to take a real interest in reasaserting their national interests & pride after being devastated by the EU concept.

Yes we will establish alliances within EU member states but, until the EU implodes or is destroyed, this will be very difficult to acheive. Better, perhaps, for all EU states to first acknowledge they've been complicent (and complacent!) in the invasion of their own countries by the 'EU Superstate' prior to re-establishing national sovereignties.
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I think the money She is getting is Hideous,much rather it be donated to a worthwhile charity
worthwhile charity?? Hmmm, sounds a bit boring and has nothing to do with me.

Anyway - **Newsflash! ** Apparently Victoria Beckham is a complete slob! SHOCK!! We know, we know, we would never have though it was possible; the Spice Girl-turned-surprisingly credible designer is always immaculately turned out, so it comes as something of a shock for some to to hear that she’s actually very messy. But it must be true though, because it comes direct from the mouth of her (still extremely fit) hubby.

more here: http://www.heatworld.com/Celeb-News/2010/12/Victoria-Beckhams-bathroom-habits-revealed-/
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I take your point Christine,but who are our friends and allies,we too many times freely offer up our help to our supposed friends only to be stabbed in the back and sh*t on,We have no friends imo the best part of the world hates us.Bring our soldiers home to defend our borders ,shut the borders permantly and drive the evil out,under no way is that a slur on our brave men and women in the sevices

I do undertand your view a little more now, you indicate that there seems to be concerns over trust and betrayel.

Looking at the sorry state of the EU and the recent leadership of member countries with the EU, we have all been lied to and deceived by those in the most responsible of positins. I firmly believe that european nation states are now waking up and beginning to take a real interest in reasaserting their national interests & pride after being devastated by the EU concept.

Yes we will establish alliances within EU member states but, until the EU implodes or is destroyed, this will be very difficult to acheive. Better, perhaps, for all EU states to first acknowledge they've been complicent (and complacent!) in the invasion of their own countries by the 'EU Superstate' prior to re-establishing national sovereignties.
Thankyou Christine,Succinctly put and without a hint of derision. :)
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Dec 6 2010, 01:33 PM
I think the money She is getting is Hideous,much rather it be donated to a worthwhile charity
worthwhile charity?? Hmmm, sounds a bit boring and has nothing to do with me.

Anyway - **Newsflash! ** Apparently Victoria Beckham is a complete slob! SHOCK!! We know, we know, we would never have though it was possible; the Spice Girl-turned-surprisingly credible designer is always immaculately turned out, so it comes as something of a shock for some to to hear that she’s actually very messy. But it must be true though, because it comes direct from the mouth of her (still extremely fit) hubby.

more here: http://www.heatworld.com/Celeb-News/2010/12/Victoria-Beckhams-bathroom-habits-revealed-/
Not sure where this is going or your intentions,I merely replied to your post,I don remember insulting you .
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Not sure where this is going or your intentions,I merely replied to your post,I don remember insulting you .
We ignore jihadist activity worldwide at our peril. Where would England be if the U.S. in 1940 rather than loaning military equipment to cash-strapped Britain had instead held the view that "what goes on in other countries is of no concern to me and Im not bothered?"

BTW, Zurich and New York aren't in England so what the hell were EDL doing there? : http://www.libertiesalliance.org/2010/06/17/english-defence-league-represented-at-counter-jihad-zurich-2010/
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Not sure where this is going or your intentions,I merely replied to your post,I don remember insulting you .
We ignore jihadist activity worldwide at our peril. Where would England be if the U.S. in 1940 rather than loaning military equipment to cash-strapped Britain had instead held the view that "what goes on in other countries is of no concern to me and Im not bothered?"

BTW, Zurich and New York aren't in England so what the hell were EDL doing there? : http://www.libertiesalliance.org/2010/06/17/english-defence-league-represented-at-counter-jihad-zurich-2010/
If we as a nation start to deal with this problem,there will be no need to garner support amongst other nations.I would defend England to my last breath but I will be damned to do it on foreign soil to a country that might stab me and my kinsmen in the back.btw the swiss have imo got a great record on helping out in conflict
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the swiss have imo got a great record on helping out in conflict
So have Germany and Japan. Are they both 'off limits' as allies in the future Islamic struggle for worldwide dominance?

btw you sound very paranoid about being stabbed in the back. Is there a rational reason for this?

You may also like to share your thoughts on this thread too: http://s1.zetaboards.com/EDL_The_Forum/topic/3978040/1/?x=90
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hus...you are entitled to your opinion but it's not the consensus held by many on here otherwise we wouldn't be sending tentacles out. Try posting something positive or not at all on matters that you care nothing about.
I really dont understand what you are saying,nothing you have said makes any sense, iIthink you are just jumping n the ride by avin a go wiv yer mates. ;)
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I'm going to provide a different angle to the debate, and please remember I am just as much against militant Islam as the rest of you.

Firstly, I agree that it's possible for a minority culture to persecute a majority culture. The main problem we have at the moment seems to be that our government thinks everyone has the right to pursue their own cultures and that we are all going to live happily side by side. When governments do this they alienate people like me because they seem to be giving support to those who want to re-criminalise abortion, divorce and homosexuality. Gay pride marches still attract protests by religious fundamentalists including Islamic extremists. What I am saying is that you create division amongst the minorities themselves: gays will not support a government which gives legitimacy to homophobia just as religious minorities disapprove of the 'permissive' society.

Governments need to be bolder and stand up for the values of the majority against the values of minority cultures. More importantly, they need to emphasise what unites people instead of what divides them. I think governments should stop funding community projects for one particular culture or religion and only fund those which create genuine community cohesion.

We live in a Christian country, but we also live in an increasingly secular country. Governments have to be sensitive to this fact: it would alienate the majority of this country if governments were to outlaw gambling, alcohol, divorce and to punish adultery as a crime. The reason it would alienate people is because most support the need for divorce laws (even if some like me think it's a bit too easy to get divorced these days). Having a strictly Christian basis for legislation would be incompatible with trends in modern Britain.

As a socialist I disagree with the contention that counter cultures were introduced in order to break the culture of these islands. Postwar immigration was required for economic purposes as WWII had decimated the working population of this country. Furthermore, discrimination legislation was not intended to break national culture either. Racial prejudice was a problem in this country and it serves no benefit for people to be refused work or lodgings simply on the basis of their skin colour or religion. Where anti-racist legislation goes too far is in punishing 'indirect' discrimination (i.e. mortgage interest rates being charged to Muslims).

The only reason why socialists have been against religion is purely practical - they see it as a means by which working class people are kept in their place. It is an obstacle to social change. One of the aims of the French Revolution was to abolish the idea that people were given their social position on Earth by God and it was somehow a blasphemy to change it. It's only a minority of Leninists who support the immediate 'abolition' of organised religion and I am not that sort of socialist.

I have read with horror what happens to Christians in other parts of the world, but I do not believe the same can be said for this country. We do not and should not persecute Christians in this country in the same way as they do in Saudi Arabia or Egypt. Unfortunately Islam does not appear to have a 'soft pedal' as far as religious tolerance is concerned.

Socialists have always been anti-colonialist, though one aim of those who formed the British Empire was to bring civilisation to barbarous parts of the world. I would be pilloried for saying this elsewhere, but it's a shame we don't have an empire: countries like Saudi Arabia and Egypt need to be dragged kicking and screaming into the twenty-first century.
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the swiss have imo got a great record on helping out in conflict
So have Germany and Japan. Are they both 'off limits' as allies in the future Islamic struggle for worldwide dominance?

btw you sound very paranoid about being stabbed in the back. Is there a rational reason for this?

You may also like to share your thoughts on this thread too: http://s1.zetaboards.com/EDL_The_Forum/topic/3978040/1/?x=90
Well Im putting a lid on this because I dont want to be seen as a baddie,my whole point is We as a nation can STILL deal with this problem without the help from other countries that have proven in the past not to be trusted
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We as a nation can STILL deal with this problem without the help from other countries that have proven in the past not to be trusted
Really? How? I am genuinely interested to know.
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hus...you are entitled to your opinion but it's not the consensus held by many on here otherwise we wouldn't be sending tentacles out. Try posting something positive or not at all on matters that you care nothing about.
I really dont understand what you are saying,nothing you have said makes any sense, iIthink you are just jumping n the ride by avin a go wiv yer mates. ;)
Look mate I'm not jumping on any bandwagon at all and I'm certainly not trying to make this a personal attack. The EDL are pushing tentacles outside of the U.K, so you'll have to swallow that my friend (your opinion on focusing on just England and sod everyone else is a minority one) . There's been too many snidey people coming on here recently giving it why should we care nonsense, when some of these issues are dire circumstances in Islamic states against non Muslims. Compassion and a better understanding might even show you actually care.
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We as a nation can STILL deal with this problem without the help from other countries that have proven in the past not to be trusted
Really? How? I am genuinely interested to know.
Pull out of the EU,they have no rights on our peoples,start criminal proceedings against the traitors who sit in govt.and return the power to the people who care about this land and remove the threats from within our borders by any means legal or other.And you know what I mean by that last statement
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hus...you are entitled to your opinion but it's not the consensus held by many on here otherwise we wouldn't be sending tentacles out. Try posting something positive or not at all on matters that you care nothing about.
I really dont understand what you are saying,nothing you have said makes any sense, iIthink you are just jumping n the ride by avin a go wiv yer mates. ;)
Look mate I'm not jumping on any bandwagon at all and I'm certainly not trying to make this a personal attack. The EDL are pushing tentacles outside of the U.K, so you'll have to swallow that my friend (your opinion on focusing on just England and sod everyone else is a minority one) . There's been too many snidey people coming on here recently giving it why should we care nonsense, when some of these issues are dire circumstances in Islamic states against non Muslims. Compassion and a better understanding might even show you actually care.
Fair comments,Its evident that our goal is the same mate,just that we have different views on how we achieve this,thanks for the debate and best wishes.
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Pull out of the EU,they have no rights on our peoples,start criminal proceedings against the traitors who sit in govt.and return the power to the people who care about this land and remove the threats from within our borders by any means legal or other.And you know what I mean by that last statement
How quaint. Ok lets just assume your isolationist vision is realised, and we allow the rest of Europe to fall to the sword of Islam: What do we do then? There will be no Sobieski or Martel to come to your rescue then.

I've met people like you before, the sort who actually believe that we could have defeated Nazi Germany all on our own.
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Pull out of the EU,they have no rights on our peoples,start criminal proceedings against the traitors who sit in govt.and return the power to the people who care about this land and remove the threats from within our borders by any means legal or other.And you know what I mean by that last statement
How quaint. Ok lets just assume your isolationist vision is realised, and we allow the rest of Europe to fall to the sword of Islam: What do we do then? There will be no Sobieski or Martel to come to your rescue then.

I've met people like you before, the sort who actually believe that we could have defeated Nazi Germany all on our own.
My my my.lets sort ourselves out first,maybe then we can help out with the rest of europe,we have been too quick to jump to help out others before the needs of others,foreign aid given away whilst our own suffer,Old people dieing through cold weather ,brave soldiers living rough on the streets as posted in another thread,as an e.g.And I have met people like you who are obviously prepared to see our people suffer
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I’M probably going to upset some on here but I agree with HUSCARL at the moment I don’t care about other countries, yes I do care about kids dyeing of starvation, yes I do care of people dyeing in floods ect but at this time I’m only thinking of my country GT Britton because in the past our troops went to war to help stop what is happening now to our country that is my main concern at the moment, correct me if I’m wrong but the edl formed because what is going on now in GT Britton, not what is going on in other countries just give HUSCARL a break he is saying what he thinks that’s called free speech, if you don’t agree tuff that’s your choice but we have our rights that was given to us by two world wars
Come on edl lets get our country back then we can start thinking of other countries
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I’M probably going to upset some on here but I agree with HUSCARL at the moment I don’t care about other countries, yes I do care about kids dyeing of starvation, yes I do care of people dyeing in floods ect but at this time I’m only thinking of my country GT Britton because in the past our troops went to war to help stop what is happening now to our country that is my main concern at the moment, correct me if I’m wrong but the edl formed because what is going on now in GT Britton, not what is going on in other countries just give HUSCARL a break he is saying what he thinks that’s called free speech, if you don’t agree tuff that’s your choice but we have our rights that was given to us by two world wars
Come on edl lets get our country back then we can start thinking of other countries
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Thanks for the support Mate ;)
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would a country be any good without freedom?

then have a look at shari/islam.

a boxer look at videos of his opponant before he gets into a ring with him.

if he can help a boxer/boxers who fight/s him before his own fight,to confront him and learn from it,to expand his knowledge and streanth for himself.
would that be the best way.


St George UK ................

should we have stayed at home when poland got invaded.and sorted out the nhs/holiday stamp/poverty/all the medicans etc i could go on.

keep the faith

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would a country be any good without freedom?

then have a look at shari/islam.

a boxer look at videos of his opponant before he gets into a ring with him.

if he can help a boxer/boxers who fight/s him before his own fight,to confront him and learn from it,to expand his knowledge and streanth for himself.
would that be the best way.


St George UK ................

should we have stayed at home when poland got invaded.and sorted out the nhs/holiday stamp/poverty/all the medicans etc i could go on.

keep the faith

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And we went to war unprepared then so lets get our house in order first.Then be in a position to act OR do you want Dunkirk all over again
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paxi christi, I agree with what you're saying but, maybe I'm wrong, all I believe Huscarl is saying is we must get our own house in order first? As should everyone.
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Thankyou Germanic ;)
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HUSCARL.................

you might pop the odd site to show bow and arrows and slings on here...

this is the 21st century now pal....war stratergy has moved on since one eyed harold got it with an arrow.

we were right to that in 1939 and we are right in what the EDL are doing now..

keep the faith

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HUSCARL.................

you might pop the odd site to show bow and arrows and slings on here...

this is the 21st century now pal....war stratergy has moved on since one eyed harold got it with an arrow.

we were right to that in 1939 and we are right in what the EDL are doing now..

keep the faith

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What are you talking about,I get a couple of posters agreeing with me and you put that on,disrespecting one of our brave leaders of men,We were right to go to war in 39 my issue wa we should have been better prepared ,GOT OUR HOUSE IN ORDER before we acted
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our own house in order.....
politicaly in order?you will never do it.not in time to stop sharia/islam...
in the over crowded cities and town of the adversaries..... local mp`s/councilors/doctors/teachers/lawyers/accountants/shop keepers.

then the dhimmies/non moslem thrown on top.
then the non muslem who doesnt give a fcuk.

how are you going to get all that in order before they take over 100% without getting allies and knowledge abroad for the love of man.wake up and get out more will you.

congratulations on the agreeing posts,i agree with you but that saying does not fall in line of what is needed now.

keep the faith

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Dec 6 2010, 06:48 PM
our own house in order.....
politicaly in order?you will never do it.not in time to stop sharia/islam...
in the over crowded cities and town of the adversaries..... local mp`s/councilors/doctors/teachers/lawyers/accountants/shop keepers.

then the dhimmies/non moslem thrown on top.
then the non muslem who doesnt give a fcuk.

how are you going to get all that in order before they take over 100% without getting allies and knowledge abroad for the love of man.wake up and get out more will you.

congratulations on the agreeing posts,i agree with you but that saying does not fall in line of what is needed now.

keep the faith

paxi :)

PS...........no disrespect to harold at all.i bet he would have liked a finger in his eye instead though eh.

im joking you balm pot.get reall and wake up.
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our own house in order.....
politicaly in order?you will never do it.not in time to stop sharia/islam...
in the over crowded cities and town of the adversaries..... local mp`s/councilors/doctors/teachers/lawyers/accountants/shop keepers.

then the dhimmies/non moslem thrown on top.
then the non muslem who doesnt give a fcuk.

how are you going to get all that in order before they take over 100% without getting allies and knowledge abroad for the love of man.wake up and get out more will you.

congratulations on the agreeing posts,i agree with you but that saying does not fall in line of what is needed now.

keep the faith

paxi :)


paxi christi
Dec 6 2010, 06:48 PM
our own house in order.....
politicaly in order?you will never do it.not in time to stop sharia/islam...
in the over crowded cities and town of the adversaries..... local mp`s/councilors/doctors/teachers/lawyers/accountants/shop keepers.

then the dhimmies/non moslem thrown on top.
then the non muslem who doesnt give a fcuk.

how are you going to get all that in order before they take over 100% without getting allies and knowledge abroad for the love of man.wake up and get out more will you.

congratulations on the agreeing posts,i agree with you but that saying does not fall in line of what is needed now.

keep the faith

paxi :)

PS...........no disrespect to harold at all.i bet he would have liked a finger in his eye instead though eh.

im joking you balm pot.get reall and wake up.
Well Paxi there are other people in this country working equally as hard as the EDL maybe not so much as overtly but none the less they are equally committed,putting pressure om mps and major organisations at every oppurtunity,they keep chipping away at the root cause of our problems the govt. itself,rest assured they are beginning to sleep uneasy,they know the people are waking up from their slumber and they are worried,
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Our troops went to france not only to stick up for france ect but because we all new britton would be invaded next, As for Islamin Britton is our fight,America have there fight they have there ADL they are learning from us, We have enough on our plate at the moment, I,m sure all of us in the EDL are concerned for OUR country please don't make us fill wrong for that. I'm Brittish and BLOODY PROUD OF IT.
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Our troops went to france not only to stick up for france ect but because we all new britton would be invaded next, As for Islamin Britton is our fight,America have there fight they have there ADL they are learning from us, We have enough on our plate at the moment, I,m sure all of us in the EDL are concerned for OUR country please don't make us fill wrong for that. I'm Brittish and BLOODY PROUD OF IT.
?dont uderstand the last bit,sorry pal.im being honest with you here.

is londistan/london still in england?

is ramadam/amsterdam still in holland?

is paristan/paris still in france

the list is never ending.


ita all over the place in europe.its to PC over here to get it going the way we need it to go.so our european politicians dutch/german/swiss/belgian will have to wake the one we have up wioth influence or pressure.

this country will not do it from with in totally i think.it needs outside help.even america...any one who is against this evil cancerous desease will be welcome.

keep the faith

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adit:- if the last bit s about feeling brithish..dont worry because the EDL are that 100%.and aaaalwys will be.
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