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muslims riot in oslo as they dont want lights called xmas lights
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Dec 5 2010, 08:17 PM
I know some people on here will disagree with this, however, I still believe the EDL desperately need some political influence. As much as I admire the hard work of the EDL, and some of the truly great-educated posters' who make this site very interesting, reasonable and coherent, without any political voice things are difficult. Power is everything in this world, just look what Marxism and Islam have done in a decade. They have infested the very fabric of society, and are shaking our country to her foundations. We need more than demos to counteract this; we need voices at the highest level to influence national policy.
This is just my opinion but I don't think the EDL can become political right now. It's a street movement and doesn't have the resources to become political on a large scale. However I do think the EDL could be involved in politics locally, like council elections, that sort of thing.
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I know some people on here will disagree with this, however, I still believe the EDL desperately need some political influence. As much as I admire the hard work of the EDL, and some of the truly great-educated posters' who make this site very interesting, reasonable and coherent, without any political voice things are difficult. Power is everything in this world, just look what Marxism and Islam have done in a decade. They have infested the very fabric of society, and are shaking our country to her foundations. We need more than demos to counteract this; we need voices at the highest level to influence national policy.
This is just my opinion but I don't think the EDL can become political right now. It's a street movement and doesn't have the resources to become political on a large scale. However I do think the EDL could be involved in politics locally, like council elections, that sort of thing.
On top of the fact that you'd need about £10-20m in funding to challenge the main parties
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Dec 5 2010, 08:17 PM
I know some people on here will disagree with this, however, I still believe the EDL desperately need some political influence. As much as I admire the hard work of the EDL, and some of the truly great-educated posters' who make this site very interesting, reasonable and coherent, without any political voice things are difficult. Power is everything in this world, just look what Marxism and Islam have done in a decade. They have infested the very fabric of society, and are shaking our country to her foundations. We need more than demos to counteract this; we need voices at the highest level to influence national policy.
This is just my opinion but I don't think the EDL can become political right now. It's a street movement and doesn't have the resources to become political on a large scale. However I do think the EDL could be involved in politics locally, like council elections, that sort of thing.
are you standing?

or even joining the street movement?
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On another note there are 20,000+ Pakistanis in Oslo alone. Not to mention all the Morrocans, Iranians and Iraqis. Why are there 20,000 Pakistanis in Oslo??? Is there anywhere they haven't got foothold in. WTF IS GOING ON!

Why indeed? Pakistan isn't a former colony of Norway, nor does it have any historical links that I can think of with Scandinavia. Ditto Iran, Iraq and Morocco.

The answer, of course, is that Pakistan, like much of the Muslim world, is a backward, ramshackle, blown-to-hell basket-case of a country, with a barely-functioning central government and beset by religious and ethnic violence while Norway is a peaceful, prosperous, modern European democracy. And people will naturally go where life is better.

More to the point, why did the Norwegians let these people in? Why have countries like Sweden and Denmark done likewise? They aren't these countries former colonial masters, with the moral obligations that that status might be thought to bring with it. They didn't bring them in to drive an economic miracle, as Germany brought in its Turkish guest-workers. It's difficult indeed to think of any advantage that Scandinavian countries might have anticipated from letting in thousands of people from alien, backward, third-world countries, often illiterate, almost always with few skills, with apparently nothing to offer a modern European country but increased crime, higher unemployment and social disintegration.

No - in letting them in, the Scandinavian countries were just being - well - Scandinavian. Scandinavia is the home of political correctness, it's the citadel of White European self-hatred. Scandinavians can't forgive themselves for being prosperous and civilised while most of the world is poor and barbaric. It's not their fault that most of the world is poor and barbaric, but they feel guilty about it nevertheless. And they try to expiate some of that guilt by letting in these Third-World interlopers who rob their famously-generous welfare systems and feed at will on the prosperity that the Scandinavians have created. And now look at the result.

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I know some people on here will disagree with this, however, I still believe the EDL desperately need some political influence. As much as I admire the hard work of the EDL, and some of the truly great-educated posters' who make this site very interesting, reasonable and coherent, without any political voice things are difficult. Power is everything in this world, just look what Marxism and Islam have done in a decade. They have infested the very fabric of society, and are shaking our country to her foundations. We need more than demos to counteract this; we need voices at the highest level to influence national policy.
This is just my opinion but I don't think the EDL can become political right now. It's a street movement and doesn't have the resources to become political on a large scale. However I do think the EDL could be involved in politics locally, like council elections, that sort of thing.
are you standing?

or even joining the street movement?
I wasn't criticising the EDL.
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no m8...you wernt.
you know a lot about the EDL for someone whos done nothing ever tho?
ill get some ulsterman to get you active in the UDL.




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this sort of crap needs sortin out its gettin way out of hand
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(percentages source CIA: The World Fact Book (2007)).

As long as the Muslim population remains around 1% of any given country they will be regarded as a peace-loving minority and not as a threat to anyone. In fact, they may be featured in articles and films, stereotyped for their colorful uniqueness:

United States — Muslim 1.0%
Australia — Muslim 1.5%
Canada — Muslim 1.9%
China — Muslim 1%-2%
Italy — Muslim 1.5%
Norway — Muslim 1.8%

At 2% and 3% they begin to proselytize from other ethnic minorities and disaffected groups with major recruiting from the jails and among street gangs:

Denmark — Muslim 2%
Germany — Muslim 3.7%
United Kingdom — Muslim 2. 7%
Spain — Muslim 4%
Thailand — Muslim 4.6%

From 5% on they exercise an inordinate influence in proportion to their percentage of the population.

They will push for the introduction of halaal (clean by Islamic standards) food, thereby securing food preparation jobs for Muslims. They will increase pressure on supermarket chains to feature it on their shelves — along with threats for failure to comply. (United States).

France — Muslim 8%
Philippines — Muslim 5%
Sweden — Muslim 5%
Switzerland — Muslim 4.3%
The Netherlands — Muslim 5.5%
Trinidad & Tobago — Muslim 5.8%

At this point, they will work to get the ruling government to allow them to rule themselves under Sharia, the Islamic Law. The ultimate goal of Islam is not to convert the world but to establish Sharia law over the entire world.

When Muslims reach 10% of the population, they will increase lawlessness as a means of complaint about their conditions (Paris — car-burnings). Any non-Muslim action that offends Islam will result in uprisings and threats (Amsterdam — Mohammed cartoons).

Guyana — Muslim 10%
India — Muslim 13.4%
Israel — Muslim 16%
Kenya — Muslim 10%
Russia — Muslim 10-15%

After reaching 20% expect hair-trigger rioting, jihad militia formations, sporadic killings and church and synagogue burning:

Ethiopia — Muslim 32.8%

At 40% you will find widespread massacres, chronic terror attacks and ongoing militia warfare:

Bosnia — Muslim 40%
Chad — Muslim 53.1%
Lebanon — Muslim 59.7%

From 60% you may expect unfettered persecution of non-believers and other religions, sporadic ethnic cleansing (genocide), use of Sharia Law as a weapon and Jizya, the tax placed on infidels:

Albania — Muslim 70%
Malaysia — Muslim 60.4%
Qatar — Muslim 77.5%
Sudan — Muslim 70%

After 80% expect State run ethnic cleansing and genocide:

Bangladesh — Muslim 83%
Egypt — Muslim 90%
Gaza — Muslim 98.7%
Indonesia — Muslim 86.1%
Iran — Muslim 98%
Iraq — Muslim 97%
Jordan — Muslim 92%
Morocco — Muslim 98.7%
Pakistan — Muslim 97%
Palestine — Muslim 99%
Syria — Muslim 90%
Tajikistan — Muslim 90%
Turkey — Muslim 99.8%
United Arab Emirates — Muslim 96%

100% will usher in the peace of “Dar-es-Salaam” — the Isla mic House of Peace — there’s supposed to be peace because everybody is a Muslim:

Afghanistan — Muslim 100%
Saudi Arabia — Muslim 100%
Somalia — Muslim 100%
Yemen — Muslim 99.9%

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France is 10%. The uk is probably more than 2.7% too.
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Dec 5 2010, 09:30 PM
France is 10%. The uk is probably more than 2.7% too.
I'd say it's a lot more than 2.7%

Given the fact that labours 'Open all the borders-let's fcuk up England game plan,' it's probably pushing 10% (at least) ^o)

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Captain Haddock...agree entirely with you. Although a newbie to EDL, I say a strong and growing grass-roots movement needs to aim for political change. I dislike politicians as much as the next man, but without a growing support from them EDL will not achieve as much as it can. Remember the opposition are already strongly represented in Parliament..Baroness Warsi, Lord Ahmed etc. to say nothing about the influence in councils etc. Who do we have?
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I am sad to say that whenever i see the special ones up to no good it gives me a heavy heart. The heavy heart comes from the lack of moral fortitude our councillors and mps do not possess. It does make you wonder why our leaders of all respective govs, countries are so feeble when it comes to silencing the special ones. Many times our senses are bombarded by the special ones antics that it can cause despair; I have just felt it after watching the videos.

I only have faith in the EDL and nothing else. But at least I have my faith.


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Dec 5 2010, 08:17 PM
I know some people on here will disagree with this, however, I still believe the EDL desperately need some political influence. As much as I admire the hard work of the EDL, and some of the truly great-educated posters' who make this site very interesting, reasonable and coherent, without any political voice things are difficult. Power is everything in this world, just look what Marxism and Islam have done in a decade. They have infested the very fabric of society, and are shaking our country to her foundations. We need more than demos to counteract this; we need voices at the highest level to influence national policy.
This is just my opinion but I don't think the EDL can become political right now. It's a street movement and doesn't have the resources to become political on a large scale. However I do think the EDL could be involved in politics locally, like council elections, that sort of thing.
but why would you say that? the edl as stated from the beginning that it as no intention of becoming a political entity- watb- for a 16 yr old schoolboy your very "informed"-and your thoughts about entering local politics to me is divisive and for one who's been on these forums for as long as you have- i'm questioning your motives- what are they?
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Those were 2007 figures. i say they were a bit conservative though. What I really don't understand is that as there % is low compared to the population why does the government let them get away with all the Cr@p.
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Hey smude. Here is the proof of the 10 percent of France. I
Proof of France 10 percent and other things - (I can't find the original wikileaks article.) link

Estimated population of 6 million Muslims living in France, approximately 10% of the population - one-tenth of one percent.
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Dec 5 2010, 08:17 PM
I know some people on here will disagree with this, however, I still believe the EDL desperately need some political influence. As much as I admire the hard work of the EDL, and some of the truly great-educated posters' who make this site very interesting, reasonable and coherent, without any political voice things are difficult. Power is everything in this world, just look what Marxism and Islam have done in a decade. They have infested the very fabric of society, and are shaking our country to her foundations. We need more than demos to counteract this; we need voices at the highest level to influence national policy.
This is just my opinion but I don't think the EDL can become political right now. It's a street movement and doesn't have the resources to become political on a large scale. However I do think the EDL could be involved in politics locally, like council elections, that sort of thing.
but why would you say that? the edl as stated from the beginning that it as no intention of becoming a political entity- watb- for a 16 yr old schoolboy your very "informed"-and your thoughts about entering local politics to me is divisive and for one who's been on these forums for as long as you have- i'm questioning your motives- what are they?
Just an observation on my behalf, I did actually state that people on this forum probably wouldn't agree with that, and like you rightly highlighted, 'The EDl is not political.' However, given the amount of hostility from virtually all quarters, I was just asking whether it might be appropriate in the future to reconsider this stance, as it is clearly apparent that our enemies are using political dirty tricks to discredit the EDL. Just my opinion, nothing more, nothing less. ;)
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Look at this poor kid. He's the only ethnically Norweigan in his school by the sound of it. Feel so sorry for him.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bE8kmJlJWRs&feature=related

On another note there are 20,000+ Pakistanis in Oslo alone. Not to mention all the Morrocans, Iranians and Iraqis. Why are there 20,000 Pakistanis in Oslo??? Is there anywhere they haven't got foothold in. WTF IS GOING ON!

Norway is 99% nice but it's the major cities as in anywhere that is fcuked up.
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To be honest I thought there were 10 million in France.
I wouldn't trust CIA figures anyway. They said there was WMD in Iraq Lol.
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Dec 5 2010, 08:17 PM
I know some people on here will disagree with this, however, I still believe the EDL desperately need some political influence. As much as I admire the hard work of the EDL, and some of the truly great-educated posters' who make this site very interesting, reasonable and coherent, without any political voice things are difficult. Power is everything in this world, just look what Marxism and Islam have done in a decade. They have infested the very fabric of society, and are shaking our country to her foundations. We need more than demos to counteract this; we need voices at the highest level to influence national policy.
This is just my opinion but I don't think the EDL can become political right now. It's a street movement and doesn't have the resources to become political on a large scale. However I do think the EDL could be involved in politics locally, like council elections, that sort of thing.
but why would you say that? the edl as stated from the beginning that it as no intention of becoming a political entity- watb- for a 16 yr old schoolboy your very "informed"-and your thoughts about entering local politics to me is divisive and for one who's been on these forums for as long as you have- i'm questioning your motives- what are they?
I wasn't saying that the EDL should go political, Captain Haddock did. He seemed to be saying that the EDL should become political, and I was saying that this shouldn't happen, and if it did it could only be local.

I don't have any motives.
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To be honest I thought there were 10 million in France.
I wouldn't trust CIA figures anyway. They said there was WMD in Iraq Lol.

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Remember the opposition are already strongly represented in Parliament..Baroness Warsi, Lord Ahmed etc. to say nothing about the influence in councils etc. Who do we have?
They are in existing parties and thats what people who sympathise with the edl need to do, not start up a separate party. Look at tower hamlets, the mussies almost took over the labour party. I am in the conservative party and whenever i tell people with similar views to join its always the same "its all a load of bollocks" etc response. The reason left wing loonies have such an influence in our country despite being such a tiny minority is because they get involved and get themselves into positions of power
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Remember the opposition are already strongly represented in Parliament..Baroness Warsi, Lord Ahmed etc. to say nothing about the influence in councils etc. Who do we have?
They are in existing parties and thats what people who sympathise with the edl need to do, not start up a separate party. Look at tower hamlets, the mussies almost took over the labour party. I am in the conservative party and whenever i tell people with similar views to join its always the same "its all a load of bollocks" etc response. The reason left wing loonies have such an influence in our country despite being such a tiny minority is because they get involved and get themselves into positions of power
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I love your link 'make me PC,' that gave me a belly laugh :D then I realised how bloody true it all is! :'(

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but why would you say that? the edl as stated from the beginning that it as no intention of becoming a political entity- watb- for a 16 yr old schoolboy your very "informed"-and your thoughts about entering local politics to me is divisive and for one who's been on these forums for as long as you have- i'm questioning your motives- what are they?
I wasn't saying that the EDL should go political, Captain Haddock did. He seemed to be saying that the EDL should become political, and I was saying that this shouldn't happen, and if it did it could only be local.

I don't have any motives.
so we're a non political grouping- but in your book national politics is a no no but local politics is a maybe? on what policies on a local level should we be involved in?
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I know some people on here will disagree with this, however, I still believe the EDL desperately need some political influence. As much as I admire the hard work of the EDL, and some of the truly great-educated posters' who make this site very interesting, reasonable and coherent, without any political voice things are difficult. Power is everything in this world, just look what Marxism and Islam have done in a decade. They have infested the very fabric of society, and are shaking our country to her foundations. We need more than demos to counteract this; we need voices at the highest level to influence national policy. This is just my opinion; please don't bite my head off!
In my opinion it would be very difficult almost impossible to get a political spokesperson for the EDL into Parliament however the EDL must gain support from at least one MP that will speak out on our behalf, at the present this will be a hard task to complete and no MP will commit political suicide by standing up for the EDL but things are changing public opinion is becoming stronger and more positive towards the EDL so pretty soon someone in Parliament will monopolize on this.
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I think the EDL is far far better at being street level movement, there are plenty of nationalist parties like the BNP, English democrats, etc etc and they are all doing sh1t.

The EDL have achieved more in a year as a street movement, in terms of mobilising people, than the above have in 50 years.

The EDL is going to become massive, how quick; that depends.

What the EDL need, is good legal, media and administrative advice.

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Beliefs and Nationality.
Systems of belief spring out of the human psychological need for; law, ethics, philosophy, customs and a history- a personal and a national history. In the case of religions there is also a need for some sort of divine justice.
Every culture, every nation, has a need for a self-image with which the members of the group can identify. It is an ongoing search for some sort of truth about our existence. Our history is the source of our law. In the absence of a universal law, every nation has to be a law unto itself. The nation is the common image with which the individual identifies. The nation has a kind of collective thought process that results in the culture that defines us.
The critics that attack the concept of nationhood undermine our natural defences and expose us to the anarchy now rampent on our soil.
Our history is also a history of our thoughts and aspirations. The level of civilisation that we and our ancestors have achieved is now being equivalated to barbaric societies that are at a level of developement that we left behind centuries ago. Indeed there is a nobility to our lineage that never sank to the depths of depravity and savagery that those that now flock to our shores possess.
Our culture has a philosophical intelligence, poetical inventiveness and technical innovativeness that is unparalleled. The British Nation is something to be celebrated not despised.
We are each of us striving to come to some sort of understanding of our lives but the lack of political leadership for our nation can only make us despair. It seems that every nation in the world is being encouraged to celebrate itself except us and our European neighbours. We are witnessing the dismantlement of our nation.

Excellent post Phillip. It encapsulates exactly why we, as a nation, need integration not diversity which is all that is foisted on us now. The 'diversity police' can foxtrot oscar.
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I know some people on here will disagree with this, however, I still believe the EDL desperately need some political influence. As much as I admire the hard work of the EDL, and some of the truly great-educated posters' who make this site very interesting, reasonable and coherent, without any political voice things are difficult. Power is everything in this world, just look what Marxism and Islam have done in a decade. They have infested the very fabric of society, and are shaking our country to her foundations. We need more than demos to counteract this; we need voices at the highest level to influence national policy. This is just my opinion; please don't bite my head off!
In my opinion it would be very difficult almost impossible to get a political spokesperson for the EDL into Parliament however the EDL must gain support from at least one MP that will speak out on our behalf, at the present this will be a hard task to complete and no MP will commit political suicide by standing up for the EDL but things are changing public opinion is becoming stronger and more positive towards the EDL so pretty soon someone in Parliament will monopolize on this.

The politicians will only change when there is a public clamour for change. Angela Merkel,

in Germany, didn't suddenly see the light about islam and speak out, she followed the votes

and only spoke out because she knew there was votes in it for her. Politicians are like whores.
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I wasn't saying that the EDL should go political, Captain Haddock did. He seemed to be saying that the EDL should become political, and I was saying that this shouldn't happen, and if it did it could only be local.

I don't have any motives.
so we're a non political grouping- but in your book national politics is a no no but local politics is a maybe? on what policies on a local level should we be involved in?
I don't know really, I wasn't actually saying that the EDL should become political, I was just saying that the EDL could only be involved in local elections if it did.
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hopefully 5 years time we arent still walking round and nobody taking any notice anymore
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I love your link 'make me PC,' that gave me a belly laugh :D then I realised how bloody true it all is! :'(

http://makemepc.com/top10.htm
Thanks mate. I was trying for years to get my head around the contraditions in the left wing mind and then one night it hit me so had to stick it on a website!
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I know some people on here will disagree with this, however, I still believe the EDL desperately need some political influence. As much as I admire the hard work of the EDL, and some of the truly great-educated posters' who make this site very interesting, reasonable and coherent, without any political voice things are difficult. Power is everything in this world, just look what Marxism and Islam have done in a decade. They have infested the very fabric of society, and are shaking our country to her foundations. We need more than demos to counteract this; we need voices at the highest level to influence national policy.
This is just my opinion but I don't think the EDL can become political right now. It's a street movement and doesn't have the resources to become political on a large scale. However I do think the EDL could be involved in politics locally, like council elections, that sort of thing.
I agree that we need to work towards political influence because that is the only way we will get change. However, a pre-requisite for political influence is a reasonably large following of sympathisers if not members and to achieve that we need to win the media over to a less hostile portrayal of the EDL because relatively few people visit this web-site and even fewer browse sufficiently to get a balanced view. So how the EDL is portrayed through the prism of the media is all important.

A local newspaper story/headline will be read by 10s of thousands
A national newspaper by 100s of thousands
A TV news broadcast will number millions

and each of those people will be influenced by how the story is presented. There is a world of difference in perception of an event and an organisation between:

" A largely peaceful EDL demostration was marred by a few individuals. There were a small number of arrests from both EDL supporters and a counter demonstartion by Unite Against Fascism, mostly for drunkeness".

and

" An EDL demonstration erupted into a riot as chanting supports clashed with police. A number of rioters were arrested for violent disorder"

I think we all know that those two descriptions could easily be written about the same event.

We need to take every opportunity to quietly and politely put our case to indivuals who can influence coverage, even if they don't use that immediately. The case should be evidence based and we shouldn't be afraid to labour points. We, as a group, are reviewing bits of evidence every day but most journalists and others are tied up with their day job. Even if they note individual stories, they probably don't connect them together. The technique I use in letters is to bullet point about 6 different events with the date, story source and a brief explanation. For many receipients, it may be the first time they have seen so many points about Islamic militancy brought to together and my hope is that a slow drip-feed will start them thinking. Personally, the poppy burning, the Guardian story on traitors living here and going to fight for the Taliban and Panorama have provided a rich source of material for that.
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Dec 5 2010, 11:31 PM
We need to take every opportunity to quietly and politely put our case to indivuals who can influence coverage, even if they don't use that immediately. The case should be evidence based and we shouldn't be afraid to labour points. We, as a group, are reviewing bits of evidence every day but most journalists and others are tied up with their day job. Even if they note individual stories, they probably don't connect them together. The technique I use in letters is to bullet point about 6 different events with the date, story source and a brief explanation. For many receipients, it may be the first time they have seen so many points about Islamic militancy brought to together and my hope is that a slow drip-feed will start them thinking. Personally, the poppy burning, the Guardian story on traitors living here and going to fight for the Taliban and Panorama have provided a rich source of material for that.
Another good source of factual information is from "The Centre for Social Cohesion". They produced a detailed report in July called Islamist Terrorism - The British Connection. It analyse data from actual Islamism related offences over a 10 year period and nails down some key fatcs such as how many extremists ae in Britain, propotion of people having attended terrorist training, racial origin, age etc.

Here is the link...
http://www.socialcohesion.co.uk/uploads/1278089320islamist_terrorism_preview.pdf

On the point related to media coverage, has EDL explored inviting the media in to the demonstration, kind of like an embedded journalist? Might be an interesting angle for a journalist to cover, and also get an accurate / sympathetic message across.
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The technique I use in letters is to bullet point about 6 different events with the date, story source and a brief explanation. For many receipients, it may be the first time they have seen so many points about Islamic militancy brought to together and my hope is that a slow drip-feed will start them thinking. Personally, the poppy burning, the Guardian story on traitors living here and going to fight for the Taliban and Panorama have provided a rich source of material for that.
This is a good point. I keep a word document with some key facts, events and poll results to pull up when needed. Handy if you call into a radio phone in too. Best thing to do when debating is anticipate the response and be ready for it. So when they say "oh yes but thats just a 0.1% minority", pull up a poll which shows otherwise etc.
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Thanks for the link Peter. V interesting
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The scene outside Harrow Road police station (and in the nearby streets) when Tommy was there gave me my first direct experience glimpse of what is likely to happen when things crank up. Small groups of muslims playing cat and mouse with the police. No doubt if anything had kicked off they'd have been on their mobiles. A couple of hundred troublemakers can easily create a lot of mayhem. The police were stopping cars with muslims in them and talking to them ...

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Dec 5 2010, 12:55 PM
If we rioted at the festival of lights would the word racist be banded about?
i dont think e need to riot at others festivals - just riot that our own festivals are being usurped and even canelled. this is well within our rights to do so (ok rioting peacefully of course lol)
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I know some people on here will disagree with this, however, I still believe the EDL desperately need some political influence. As much as I admire the hard work of the EDL, and some of the truly great-educated posters' who make this site very interesting, reasonable and coherent, without any political voice things are difficult. Power is everything in this world, just look what Marxism and Islam have done in a decade. They have infested the very fabric of society, and are shaking our country to her foundations. We need more than demos to counteract this; we need voices at the highest level to influence national policy.
This is just my opinion but I don't think the EDL can become political right now. It's a street movement and doesn't have the resources to become political on a large scale. However I do think the EDL could be involved in politics locally, like council elections, that sort of thing.
On top of the fact that you'd need about £10-20m in funding to challenge the main parties
If i win £80 million on the Euro i be happy to front £30 million for the ball to start rolling.
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The "disease" is getting more virulent, how can it be stopped? This is Christian Europe we are talking about here, not some outpost in a foreign land. If we do not come down hard on such outrages, it will never stop.
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Dec 5 2010, 12:34 PM
al fcukn garuntee it wont happen in newcastle.
they,d get hammered by the geordie population.we,re not known for tolerance to outsiders who want a bit of aggro. ;)
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I cannot express how livid the video made me. Anyone got a translation on what the guy was saying before getting hit by the dude with the funny hair? Animals. What is worse is that they allowed it in Oslo. A couple dozen (was it even that many) with a handful of fireworks were allowed to roam the streets? Those weren't even good fireworks. One guy stood up for it and I assume from is tone (don't know what was said) that he wasn't a complete jerkoff. Oslo should feel ashamed.
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I cannot express how livid the video made me. Anyone got a translation on what the guy was saying before getting hit by the dude with the funny hair? Animals. What is worse is that they allowed it in Oslo. A couple dozen (was it even that many) with a handful of fireworks were allowed to roam the streets? Those weren't even good fireworks. One guy stood up for it and I assume from is tone (don't know what was said) that he wasn't a complete jerkoff. Oslo should feel ashamed.
I assure you, on behalf of the majority of native citicents in Oslo, we are ashamed about these riots with damages for millions. What is the worst thing is that norwegians are moving away from Oslo in big numbers, specially established families with kids, and for now, noone is doing anything but move away from troubled areas. The resistens in Norway is growing, though in a less violent form, and more and more people are turning their backs to our socialist government. Next government up in the election in 2013 is parties from the right wing, I dont trust they will make anything better and we will probably end up with our own EDL. Anyways, a big clash between muslims and natives is expected in near future what ever the governement end up with actions against the growing chaos. This has now become unstoppable as I see it.

The old guy is a foreign dude and this is the conversation;

old man;
"You have to understand that this is not Gaza."

muslim scum with a bad haircut:
"Go home, go home i say. Go home before it starts!"

Olg guy:
"Go to hell!"

Everytime I watch this video of muslim fcukups destroying my hometown, I get as livid and furious as you. Iv had enough of this sh1t, though this has only happend this one time. But im sure its not the last time, and we will see a lot more of this in the future.


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norwegian.can you ever make it to one of our demos.
the best thing is that like minded people of europe are meeting through sites like this.
we then meet at demos and freindships are formed .phone numbers passed.
and if needed safe houses formed.this may all sound like the resistance but that is what it is.ps if i ride up to your house with a pile of onions and pigs heads on my bike .i do want you to help me .lol
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Just come to Birmingham innnitttt!! and see these scummy scruffy nasty little gangs of mussers roaming around trying to cause trouble with their cocky gobby attitudes - always at least 4 off them..... they are the dirty little racists here they purposely walk into white people trying to get a reaction then go calling their beloved RACE card if they are challenged!! - complete pratts who are just trying it on and on and on but they are getting too cocky now - who is going to stop em
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If someone come into my house and took down my xmas tree, i,d go f****ing mad. Muslims enter any country they like in the Christian world and do just that. They see us, our religion, our celebrations as being an affront to islam. they want us to bow down to them. (so they can cut our heads off.)they need to be shown the wayout of europe. But we don,t do that, instead we offer them protection. Look at the way they pushed that fellow about who was standing up to them. their contempt for us Kaffirs was there for all to see, yet in reality it went completly unnoticed.
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I think that it would be fair to say, that there are some politicos waiting for the right time to make a splash. Consider how willing they are to adopt any policy from which they can gain influence. Sooner or later one of the bastards will start to support the EDL. If this happens, we must not be diverted from our mission, and be led astray by some self seeking sh1tbag. There are I think some who would do us well. Maybe Douglas Murray, is someone that we should make contact with. NS.
I think that it would be fair to say, that there are some politicos waiting for the right time to make a splash. Consider how willing they are to adopt any policy from which they can gain influence. Sooner or later one of the bastards will start to support the EDL. If this happens, we must not be diverted from our mission, and be led astray by some self seeking sh1tbag. There are I think some who would do us well. Maybe Douglas Murray, is someone that we should make contact with. NS.
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