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| Bubble | Dec 2 2010, 03:04 PM Post #1 |
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Christmas dinner! My sons school are serving up halal for their Christmas dinner, along side sausages ? (optional of course!)I was also asked to pat extra for this. What do you think, is it to encourage Muslim children in the school to join the Christmas celebrations? Was it to save money? Or just because the school doesn't care about the Christian children? What do you think? Sorry *pay* extra Edited by Bubble, Dec 2 2010, 03:05 PM.
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| Deleted User | Dec 2 2010, 03:11 PM Post #2 |
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I would ask them why they are serving a religiously slaughtered meat on another religions celebration. Especially as Islam wasn't to eradicate Christianity. If I were a Christian I would be hugely insulted that I was going to be served Halal during what is effectively a holy feast. |
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| brawlad | Dec 2 2010, 03:15 PM Post #3 |
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Halal slaughterers, like all islamic businesses, pay zakat (muslim 'religious' tax), which goes towards everything from building mosques to ... we can only guess the worst! Not all christian parents may wish to support such islamic activities. |
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| Bubble | Dec 2 2010, 03:16 PM Post #4 |
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I would be to, in fact i am and i am not a Christian, i feel I don't want to let my son have it. I don't want him eating halal meat, the very reason i buy so carefully. All undermined by one day. Its horrible, i don't want him to miss out on Christmas dinner but don't want him eating halal. It says in the bible, not to eat meat, sacrificed to another god. Think that counts! Edited by Bubble, Dec 2 2010, 03:16 PM.
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| a fresh start | Dec 2 2010, 03:18 PM Post #5 |
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discraceful, why would anyone want to eat halal on christmas, are we trying to celebrate a christian/pagan festival, with an islamic dish? it doesnt ring true in my head. just insulting. very insulting, we are quite litteraly being erased! rant over maybe contact them telling them your views and that if the muslim community in the school wish for their kids to join in, why not have two turkys, one big fat one for the christians, and scared to death, died in pain and suffering one for the muslims? tell them your not happy, maybe make others aware about the plans the school have to feed your kids this barbaric, unholy (in the eyes of a cristian - which i am not) meat. just beggers belief! Edited by a fresh start, Dec 2 2010, 03:20 PM.
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| Deleted User | Dec 2 2010, 03:43 PM Post #6 |
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Muslims don't celebrate Christmas so it can't be to include the Muslim children in the festivities. It's got to be because of the cost. Pay the little bit extra and let you kid have a good old British pork banger. How old are your kids by the way? |
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| Bubble | Dec 2 2010, 06:16 PM Post #7 |
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My eldest is 4, youngest is 5 months (i also have a son who is no longer with us who would have been 5) I have paid the extra, not a problem £1.90 :). But feel its tainted crimbo. |
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| DanaRose | Dec 2 2010, 10:12 PM Post #8 |
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My kids wouldn't be eating it full stop. In fact they wouldn't be going to the school. I havent got kids like... but I mean if I did. |
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| fuknut | Dec 2 2010, 10:24 PM Post #9 |
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That's why my boys going to a catholic school , fuxk all that sh1t , |
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| Wigone | Dec 2 2010, 10:30 PM Post #10 |
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Would they serve pork to the muslim kids...no, I would be well kicking off. |
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| Deleted User | Dec 2 2010, 10:32 PM Post #11 |
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You need to get all the parents together and complain en masse , write to school, ask to see the headmaster/mistress, board of Governors, write to the local paper. |
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| dozyuk | Dec 2 2010, 10:38 PM Post #12 |
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Christmas = celebration of the birth of Jesus Christ. Christmas dinner = dinner to celebrate Jesus being born in a Bethlehem stable. Halal = food passed as fit for Muslims to eat. Halal Chicken = Chicken that has suffered immeasurable cruelty and died in extreme pain in order to satisfy some geezer called Allan, or something, either way - nothing to do with Jesus. I think your children's school couldn't give a stuff about Christianity, they are just too happy to appease the Muslim children's parents, regardless of any other considerations. My advice, write a letter to the headmaster demanding 'non halal' slaughtered chicken/meat as you find the idea of eating ritually slaughtered meat abhorrent, and are disgusted by the barbarity of method of slaughter. make it perfectly clear that you wont allow your children to eat anything halal. Of course these are only my thoughts, hope they help. |
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| tektwo | Dec 2 2010, 10:45 PM Post #13 |
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I don't understand, you have to serve Halal meat in your home for Muslim children or you have to make Halal meat for school? I don't quite understand. Also, are you saying Halal meat is cheaper than regular meat? I am completely lost. Edited by tektwo, Dec 2 2010, 10:46 PM.
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| JonesM89 | Dec 2 2010, 10:50 PM Post #14 |
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WTF? I'm a bit speechless :S |
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| NinjaWarrior | Dec 2 2010, 10:52 PM Post #15 |
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I would tell them where to put the halal meat... |
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| Manchester Lad | Dec 2 2010, 10:58 PM Post #16 |
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This is disgraceful. Will you get the school to change their minds by complaining? Probably not. But you are well within your right to tell the school your kids will not be eating any halal meat. If i were you i would just let them have there dinner and pay for the sausage, make sure the teachers know to not let them have any halal meat. Tell your kids they will get double pocket money for sneaking a pork sausage on the muslim kids plates..... what, its only fair. theyre trying to force halal on us, give them some pork |
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| Deleted User | Dec 2 2010, 10:59 PM Post #17 |
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It's as if you're being taxed to be able to eat what you want to eat. |
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| Deleted User | Dec 2 2010, 10:59 PM Post #18 |
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Could it be more a case of it's night impossible to buy none halal turkey if it's the same situation as lamb? ----- Bubble, my sincere condolences on the loss of your child. |
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| BabyFaced Assassin | Dec 2 2010, 11:03 PM Post #19 |
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thats why i moved house even though i shouldnt have had to my children are English born and bred and will be proud no way would they be eating halal food which repulses me with the preparation of it, at any time of the year disgraceful |
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| jeceris | Dec 2 2010, 11:14 PM Post #20 |
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Hi all.... It is quite disgusting that our kids (and some of us adults, i fear!) are/have been served halal food unknowingly and without any say in the matter. I felt obliged to ask the restaurant manager in my place of work whether or not any of the food dished-up was halal. She explained that all the meat-products are locally-sourced but she had been "grilled" by some of the muslim staff (there are quite a few), regarding the status of the meat. A few of them were apparently insulted that they were not being catered-for and said they'd take things further. So far, not a word, but watch this space. Fortunately, all our schools use the same locally-sourced meat too but i fear it'll be introduced by stealth, eventually, like a lot of places. And this is the crux of the matter. Who gets to choose? There should be some bye-law that makes food outlets obliged to state whether or not their meat-products are from humanely-slaughtered animals. I won't hold my breath on that one though....
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| Ryder | Dec 2 2010, 11:27 PM Post #21 |
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Hang on a moment... If we truly wish to reclaim our culture we must accept that some effort t integration begins in school. Muslim childre must ne invited to join in our celebrations. You are all too willing to shout about muslims being isolationist and yet when any attempt is made to give them opportunity to join in with our own celebrations you want to rule them out! Our future relies on integrational politics. Do not exclude Islam from our way of life... rather welcome it and teach the children of Islam and our own christian childrent hat they might celebrate both their own religious ceremonies and join in with, and support those of other cultures. Where EXTREMIST Islam occurs this philosophie is obsolete of course. EXTREMIST Islam is, in my opinion, by far the minority though none the less dangerous for that. If allowing HALAL is a way of inviting other cultures to share our celebration of Christ then we should welcome it. By the way.... how many of those readihng or contributing to this threat ACTUALLY believe in God, the Bible, his desciples and so on? If you do not... then why should the origin of themeat be of interest? Please accept my aopologies.... I wrote "threat" where I meant "thread". With no edid facility I can not correct this Edited by Ryder, Dec 2 2010, 11:29 PM.
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| Deleted User | Dec 2 2010, 11:38 PM Post #22 |
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Quote: "By the way.... how many of those readihng or contributing to this threat ACTUALLY believe in God, the Bible, his desciples and so on? If you do not... then why should the origin of themeat be of interest?" ------------ I'm speechless at your naivety and ignorance. You think 2million muslims forcing barbarically butchered halal meat on the majority 50 million population by stealth is integration? And I find it offensive that you think it is acceptable to think that people who don't believe in God haven't got the right to speak out about this abhorrent cruelty and enforced religious practice on an unsuspecting public. I'll leave it there for now... or I could get banned. |
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| Deleted User | Dec 2 2010, 11:49 PM Post #23 |
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Islam wants other religions to integrate into an Islamic way of life, that's the problem. We are fighing Islamification here, and you want to welcome Islam into our way of life? Isn't that going to help Islamification? Give them an inch and they take a mile. |
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| DanaRose | Dec 2 2010, 11:53 PM Post #24 |
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'If allowing HALAL is a way of inviting other cultures to share our celebration of Christ then we should welcome it.' I'd rather they bloody didn't if it means a poor animal being tortured. I don't give a toss if they want to share our celebration or not. This isn't about bribery. This is about halal being disgusting whether it was a muslim thing or not. and why welcome Islam. Its not welcome. Edited by DanaRose, Dec 2 2010, 11:54 PM.
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| skem infidel | Dec 3 2010, 12:17 AM Post #25 |
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liked your rant at the end ryder iam am a total athiest, infidel a none believer in any faith at all please look up richard dawkins the root of all evil |
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| Deleted User | Dec 3 2010, 12:20 AM Post #26 |
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Nice one, Ruby, you beat me to it on this one. @Ryder: On the particular point of halal, help yourself by doing a forum search for 'halal', you may be surprised how many results will display. this has been an often discussed topic in great depth.
I'm a proud atheist and whether or not a person believes in any of the gods, will 'o' the wisps, noggin the nog or spends time baying at the moon should not entitle them to an act of barbaric animal cruely.
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| BabyFaced Assassin | Dec 3 2010, 12:29 AM Post #27 |
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thats spot on its not the religon in this argument its the slaughter of the animal 'halal' should not be allowed they want to be in our country live by our rules |
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| fireman_tim | Dec 3 2010, 01:45 AM Post #28 |
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Halal is animal cruelty, cutting a live animals throat when it can easily be stunned first is bullsh*t barbarism. What's wrong with our infidel way of using a bolt to the head? Quick, painless, no worries. And yet we are wrong, and have to eat their torture meat. Fu*k Halal and fu*k anyone who knowingly eats that sh1te! http://kb.rspca.org.au/What-is-halal-slaughter_116.html Edited by fireman_tim, Dec 3 2010, 01:48 AM.
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| Deleted User | Dec 3 2010, 02:26 AM Post #29 |
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I agree with your sentiments but I don't think you'll make the Diplomatic Corps!!!
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| Deleted User | Dec 3 2010, 02:33 AM Post #30 |
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Absolute bare faced cheek for the school to promote and admit to this. I would advise you Bubble to keep your child away, but it seems awful to deny him or her the chance to join in what should be a festive celebration with friends. Very sorry to hear about your eldest by the way. Regards Shelfside |
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| dozyuk | Dec 3 2010, 03:48 AM Post #31 |
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Hi Ryder, I see you're a new member, just like me, I seem to have joined a day before you, welcome to the board. However your response to the halal chicken thread was incredible, as I'm sure you'll be realizing by now. Do you know anything about halal slaughter? let me briefly explain - the animal is kept in a totally concious state, the slaughter man (who MUST be Muslim) then says a prayer to Allah, the unfortunate animal then has it's throat cut with a single slit, and is then left to bleed to death (I have been informed that for some larger animals, this can take as long as 5 minutes) If you don't believe me, just go to You-Tube and type in halal slaughter - though, be warned, it's pretty graphic. some questions for you: 1) why should these animals be allowed to suffer in this barbaric way? 2) Why should we, as non-Muslims, regardless of belief, be forced to eat anything that has been 'dedicated' to a god we don't believe in? 3) Why should we support the closed shop policy of only having Muslim slaughter men? Do you know anything about Islam and Sharia law? I wont even try and explain, but suggest you visit and spend some time on this site: My Webpage If you study Islam, you will come to know that it is totally incompatible with western values, and that is why Muslims will not integrate with us. also Extremism is a myth, the 'extremist Muslim' is only carrying out Allah's bidding, akin to Mohammed, the perfect man (maybe someone else would like to shed some light on Mohammed's life, for Ryder) I do not believe in God, but I live my life by Christian values, this is because they are loving, peaceful and suited to western values. Whereas Islam demands conflict with everything around it, it is a religion/ideology of violence intolerance and war, and it wont stop until it has conquered and enslaved the whole world in Dhimmitude, that is to say slavery. I would suggest you please consider these points and learn a bit about Islam before posting such 'Dhimmi ideas. I truly hope this helps explain other posters sentiments for your understanding. BTW. to everyone else, Is there a reason no one recommends the website thereligionofpeace? i have found it an excellent source of info. |
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| Deleted User | Dec 3 2010, 06:02 AM Post #32 |
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Apart from pork there are very few exceptions where muslims are are not permitted to eat non Halal meat yet we, the majority, are having this sh1te foisted on us by the minority when all along they can do without it.
Source: http://www.islamonline.net/servlet/Satellite?pagename=IslamOnline-English-Ask_Scholar/FatwaE/FatwaE&cid=1119503546926 This is all part of their strategy to turn our country and it's inhabitants muslim. They are deliberately selling halal meat at much cheaper prices to drive out of those businesses who sell pork. Yes they are perfectly entitled (in law) to their own meat but in a fair and equitable society (which we are constantly being reminded that ours is) SO ARE WE!
Swine flu my arse! Source: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/africa/article6193785.ece If your child's school is expecting them to eat this without warning or giving them a suitable alternative then complain! For too long in this country we have been so brow beaten into this stupor by the 'do-gooders' (dhimmi's) that we just repeatedly bend over and take this bullsh1t every time. How do you think that the 'special ones' keep getting their way? They whinge, bitch, moan and threaten until they do and they don't stop until they do. This is their strategy and rather than have the balls to tell them to put up and shut up, establishments are caving in to their demands at an alarming rate. If we ever expect to turn the tide BACK in our favour then we need to raise OUR voices and make it perfectly clear WHAT WE WANT and that we are not going to be ruled by the minority and their every whim. So don't sit there and accept what seems inevitable COMPLAIN! Complain to everybody at the school, in the supermarket, in the restaurant at your butcher. Also, vote with your feet. If you don't like it then don't buy it but don't just not buy the stuff, tell the establishment that you didn't buy it and why. They are constantly getting their way because they are the ones who are doing all the demanding. We have had it all our own way for so long that we have taken it for granted that things are going to be 'just so' to cater for us and our needs. Now they are here and hell-bent on changing everything about our society to suit their needs over and above ours with little or no compromise and that just aint British! If they 'require' their own brand of meat then fine, good luck to them, but I also require not to have their brand of meat and that means that there MUST always be an alternative and where there is none I will not compromise. |
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| stealth | Dec 3 2010, 11:23 PM Post #33 |
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It's because like most 'supply' industries in this country are being bought up and out by asian/muslim concerns, the reason the meat is halal is probably because the local suplly company is asian, how Ironic that the once great British people will merely serve to fill the pockets of our guests.... sad state of affairs this country is in. |
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| fireman_tim | Dec 8 2010, 02:13 AM Post #34 |
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Did you know that with Halal meat, a prayer is said to Allah at the point of the throat cutting. As a Christian this poses a big problem, you are not permitted to eat food offered to idol or other gods. If you are not a Christian, think about it another way, do you really want to eat meat from a tortured animal? Do you want to eat meat that has been dedicated to a god you don't follow? Halal must be banned. At the very least Halal meat must MUST be labelled! |
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| straightliner | Dec 8 2010, 07:23 AM Post #35 |
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I would refuse to pay extra for something that I did not want. That would be like paying those gits at traffic lights fro cleaning your windscreen. Also what is the muslim percentage of the school? just out of interest. *for Edited by straightliner, Dec 8 2010, 07:24 AM.
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| johnny t | Dec 8 2010, 09:50 AM Post #36 |
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Ive done another thread about this,my son started nursery last week and to cut a long story short when filling the forms the question asked"any diatery requirements"which i replied in capitals NO HALAL,make it straight to the point with the school and let as many parents know they are forcing this garbage on their children,many will not know and will be shocked.Let us know what happens. |
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| East End Boy | Dec 8 2010, 06:24 PM Post #37 |
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Same as me, just vote with your feet. |
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| tomz | Dec 8 2010, 07:55 PM Post #38 |
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I'd ask for pig in a blanket with my chicken!
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| Wigone | Dec 8 2010, 09:54 PM Post #39 |
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This concerns me, I am a Christian. I want a choice not food offered to false gods or idols. Oh and I won't force my religion down anyones throat, literally. |
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| Ryder | Dec 8 2010, 10:46 PM Post #40 |
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Now see... I just learned more in ten minutes than in the last few weeks. My point was meant to be a little tongue in cheek - certainly didn't mean to upset or offend! I agree that the origin of the meat should be ethical. I also agree that Halal seems to be an unethical way to treat the anumals concerned. I do believe that integration is a valid tool in the struggle to reclaim a culture. Not the only tool of course, but inviting a degree of inclusion serves a number of purposes including providing a stalwart defense against allegations of isolationism. Should a muslim be allowed to consume Halal prepared meat? Perhaps this is not quite such a straightforward issue. It is an inevitable truth, however, that increasing demand for Halal meat will result in increased abundance of it and expand the halal practises... simple supply and demand. Would it solve the problem if it were to be banned? Probably not... production would simply go underground. Returning to the OP for a minute... that is, of course, insane. I can only assume that the board of governers is populated primarily by Muslim parents. One further question... Is the consumption of Halal meat restricted to muslims or are there other cultures fo whom it is a requirement as well? |
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| aluman | Dec 8 2010, 11:05 PM Post #41 |
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Hi can ask how do you know its halal ? |
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