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EDL is achieving nothing.... yeah, right :); Muslim attack on the Islamist MCB & European Muslic Research Centre
Topic Started: Nov 28 2010, 08:42 PM (302 Views)
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Who says EDL is not achieving anything?

I've been saying the problem runs far deeper than Choudray and his troupe of performing monkeys. I would extend it to include Hizb ut Tahrir and the MCB. And this is the kind of thing I want to see muslims saying (and agitating for something to be done about it).

Here we have a post from an alleged muslim "Amjad Khan", criticising the Muslim Council of Britain as "islamist". He criticises the EMRC. Now, that is more like it!

http://hurryupharry.org/2010/11/25/islamists-and-islamophobia/

HuH.org is the only left-wing website that gives space to criticising islam.



Islamists and Islamophobia

Guest Post, November 25th 2010, 5:50 pm

This is a guest post by by Amjad Khan

It seems that entryist Islamist groups like the MCB and MAB are focusing all their energies on exposing incidents of ‘Islamophobia’ nowadays. They have helped to fund an outfit called the EMRC (European Muslim Research Centre) which masquerades as a research centre but in truth does little more than political advocacy for Islamist groups and individuals. Together they are working on a 10 year (that’s right 10 year) project called ‘Islamophobia and Anti-Muslim Hate Crime: UK Case Studies’. MAB is arranging seminars up and down the country to expose the rise of ‘Islamophobia’ in the UK. So what is this all about?

Firstly, I don’t like the word ‘Islamophobia’. It seems to imply that one is not allowed to dislike a set of beliefs. I would argue that everyone has the right to dislike Islam, just as they have the right to dislike Judaism, Christianity, Hinduism, Humanism or any other set of beliefs. Anti-Muslim sentiment or hate crime on that other-hand is different since that concerns a group of people who should not be judged solely on their race, religion, gender or any other identifier. This distinction is important because we need to distinguish those who are critical of faiths or faith practises and those who are just bigots and don’t like certain religious and ethnic groups.

Secondly, we must bear in mind that Islamists are political animals in nature and hence they wouldn’t invest time, energy and resources into an initiative that didn’t have their political interests at heart. So what are their political interests?

Islamists, since setting up in the west, have been trying very hard to achieve two goals. Firstly, to mainstream their Islamist outlook amongst Muslim communities. Secondly, to become the representatives of Muslims in the west and thus gatekeepers for Muslim communities. This latter objective allows them to monopolise engagement with government officials and access public funds to further their Islamist goals. That is why prior to the obsession with Islamophobia, they were focused on trying to set up so-called ‘umbrella’ groups that in turn sought to present a unified ‘Muslim’ perspective on political and social issues to government. This would almost always be nothing more than the Islamist perspective.

Their attempts to monopolise the ‘Muslim voice’ have now failed spectacularly. Especially, since they tried to make the bizarre claim that they were best placed to deal with Islamist extremism, a claim that is now almost universally ridiculed by those who work in counter-terrorism. So by creating a campaign to highlight ‘Islamophobia’, Islamists hope to create a counter-Islamophobia industry that would attract resources and governmental support. This would also allow them to present themselves as ‘defenders of the faith’ to Muslims and important partners in the Muslim community to government, thereby re-establishing their name and re-gaining the prestige they lost.

What makes this even more problematic is their definition of ‘Islamophobia’. They apply this label to anyone who criticises Islamism and Islamist groups. Hence, this serves yet another purpose, i.e. silencing of criticism of what is nothing more than an Islamist political lobby group.

Anti-Muslim hate crime is no doubt a real issue and needs to be tackled, just as other forms of hate-crime do. But do we really need Islamists and their lackeys doing that for us? Individuals that are full of homophobia, anti-Semitism and hatred for moderate Muslims. One could argue that Islamists themselves are largely responsible for the rise in tensions between Muslims and non-Muslims in the UK. They have been promoting hate literature since the 80s, encouraging rebellious identity politics amongst young Muslims and seeking to defend the actions of extremist groups abroad.

So this isn’t really about defending the rights of Muslims or helping victims of hate crime, it is merely the latest cynical political ploy by Islamist to establish themselves in the hearts and minds of Muslims in the west and promote their message of hate, division and eternal conflict.
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That's a great post and gets straight to the heart of the matter. :)
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Islamism is very dangerous because it often appears to be safe to the unsuspecting public. Islamism is something to be opposed.
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Seems to have knowledge of Islam within politics and policy but does not address the inactivity of “moderates” when atrocities or extremists protest.

Its the bad Muslims that give us a bad name nonsense.
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Nov 28 2010, 09:11 PM
Islamism is very dangerous because it often appears to be safe to the unsuspecting public. Islamism is something to be opposed.
For this reason IMO it is more dangerous than Choudary's lot. Everybody agrees he is a knob but islamist groups like the MCB, IFE etc have state support
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http://theenglishdefenceleagueextra.blogspot.com/2010/11/islamophobia-conference-in-london.html

- I notice that EMRC are attending
(All about me: http://s1.zetaboards.com/EDL_The_Forum/topic/3771350/)

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Nov 28 2010, 08:42 PM
What makes this even more problematic is their definition of ‘Islamophobia’. They apply this label to anyone who criticises Islamism and Islamist groups. Hence, this serves yet another purpose, i.e. silencing of criticism of what is nothing more than an Islamist political lobby group.

Cynic here! I wonder if Mr Khan here would classify me as an islamophobe for critisising his beloved prophet Muhammad? After all, he was an islamist too wasn't he?
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roger_bates
Nov 28 2010, 09:28 PM
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Islamism is very dangerous because it often appears to be safe to the unsuspecting public. Islamism is something to be opposed.
For this reason IMO it is more dangerous than Choudary's lot. Everybody agrees he is a knob but islamist groups like the MCB, IFE etc have state support
Yep, Islamist organisations are dangerous because they appear to be decent and moderate, but people don't realise that their agenda is far from moderate. With their agenda being Islamification.
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Phobias are normally confined to irrational hatreds and/or fears.
Although I'd say we're less hysterically emotional to be full of hatred or fear, I don't think being critical of an ideology should even come close to a 'phobia'. I certainly don't see criticisms of ideas as 'irrational', if they're backed up well.

I mean, what next? Socialistophobia? Capitalistaphobia? It's incredibly daft.
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We have the same problem with CAIR, MAYA and various "charitable" organizations here in the US. They are a spitting image of what this guy is talking about. The problem here is that our academia, media and intelligentsia is highly influenced by whaabist funds. Hence, they are able to do the Islamists bidding with no repercussions. Our government rarely speaks out against them because they are "handcuffed" by the Saudis, Qataris, Kuwaitis etc etc.

Hamas, HT, IMU, Al Aqsa Martys brigades, Al Ikwhan ul Muslimeen, and even Al Qaeda (amongst many others) have conducted "clandestine" fronts to fund their operations worldwide for too long now. CAIR immediately jumps to their aid when they are accused of being fronts for terrorsit funding. They accuse Americans and the govt. of being "anti Islamic" "fighting a war against Islam" etc etc.

Sami al Arian and Anwar al-Awlaki are prime examples of this phenomena here in the US.
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In a world unconstrained by multicultural political correctness we would simply point to the content of the Koran and say"Hey-do you know what,if a large amount of people in the world think this is the greatest book ever written on any subject,we might have a problem"
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It seems this "Amjad Khan" is a mini Ed Hussain. What is it with all these "I used to be in Hizb ut Tahrir" wannabee's?

Here is "Amjad" on Old Harry's Place calling for people to email the Friends House in Euston to stop the 2010 HuT conference:
http://hurryupharry.org/2010/06/30/hizb-ut-tahrirs-few-remaining-friends/

It seems kinda strange to me that a search on Google for this "Amjad Khan" reveals almost nothing but these 2 posts on Old Harry's Place (apparently syndicated on quite a few other sites), and a couple of comments on a "Support Hizb ut Tahrir" FB page (where Amjad makes next to no interventions, just a couple of comments). Yet somehow this person is considered sufficiently representative of anti-islamist muslims to be given a "Guest Post" on Old Harry's Place -- oh yeah, and coincidentally, his CV shows he was also a member of Hizb ut Tahrir.

I wonder if Amjad is actually Ed Hussain. That would explain how this person gets to post on Old Harry's Place whilst having virtually no existence. Either that or he is likely to be one of the other "I was an islamic fascist in Hizb ut Tahrir, but now I've got a sharp suit and the ear of goverment" converts from Quilliam.
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