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London Conference Against Islamophobia; 11th December
Topic Started: Nov 28 2010, 06:25 PM (379 Views)
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Perhaps South East and London EDL can pay this conference a visit.

Never have so many of our enemies been under the same roof at the same time. We have a right to protest and even disrupt this event because this rabble of far leftists, Islamists and naive Methodists/Anglicans would ban - or worse - the EDL at the drop of a hat. This is a survival thing:

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Yup should definitely crash that party! Hit 100 birds with 1 stone!
Edited by Revolutionary101, Nov 28 2010, 06:34 PM.
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I think we should protest. Our reasoning for doing so would be that the problem of Infidelophobia is being ignored.
And that Islamophobia is being unfairly used to silence criticism of Islam. Plus the fact that a lot of our enemies are there.

The UAF are advertising this conference on their website, so they are probably involved in this.
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A couple of weeks ago I put out my suggestions for some EDL to go along and attend this conference and make the pannellists and audience feel uncomfortable with some passive resistance :) I know the lads I discussed this idea with were game, and the action I suggested would require no violence but would certainly make the participants feel very uncomfortable. I will see if they are going to follow threw with my advice.

Otherwise, I think it might also be worth having a demo outside the venue itself. I've got a ticket for Peterborough but might give it away to protest against this conference instead.
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Its the same day as the Peterborough demo
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Nov 28 2010, 06:45 PM
A couple of weeks ago I put out my suggestions for some EDL to go along and attend this conference and make the pannellists and audience feel uncomfortable with some passive resistance :) I know the lads I discussed this idea with were game, and the action I suggested would require no violence but would certainly make the participants feel very uncomfortable. I will see if they are going to follow threw with my advice.

Otherwise, I think it might also be worth having a demo outside the venue itself. I've got a ticket for Peterborough but might give it away to protest against this conference instead.
:D ^_^
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Not a good idea to crash this one you could do the EDL more harm than good. You may not like most of us have much time for the likes of Ken Livingston but he has the ear of the media and people in government and could do us a lot of damage if we give him the amunition and he is just one of many who will be in attendance that could do us serious damage.
If we are going to fight this one it has to be official and by some one who speaks their language and knows how they think a courtroom lawyer would be a good choice if we have one as a member willing to give freely of their time.
Going there to cause caos just puts us with the knuckle dragging yobs. we need to learn their game and use it against them
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Kind of agree, TM, but if we did counter-demo, it wouldn't have to be done under the name of the EDL.
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The problem is what do you demonstraight against, a great deal of what will be said we will probably agree with as they will be looking at subjects like intergration within the comunitee something the EDL promote. To do this properly we need some one inside well briefed and capable of taking incoming as well as giving it. Confrences like these have to be treated as an oppotunity to show the brains of the EDL far removed from the brawn
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Tobias, I disagree, this has a lot to do with the EDL. The EDL is a growing threat, in more ways than one, and they know it, and they will be doing their utmost to stop us. They failed to stop the Preston Demo much to the annoyance of many on the list below, and now they will forge ahead with labelling the EDL as racists and islamophobes - ignoring stuff has got us where we are today - taking our eye off the ball is a dangerous move, these people won't give up until they destroy those that dare to step in their path.

Some of the people on the list from RSP's website:

NATIONAL CONFERENCE

Speak out against racism and Islamophobia
Register your place online today here

NATIONAL CONFERENCE

Saturday 11 December
10am–6pm
Mary Ward House
5/7 Tavistock Place, London WC1H 9SN

Ken Livingstone
Chair, One Society Many Cultures
Doreen Lawrence OBE
Shabana Mahmood
Shadow Home Office Minister
Jack Dromey MP
Shadow Minister for Communities and Local Government
Anas Altikriti
Spokesperson, British Muslim Initiative
Sir Geoffrey Bindman
Christine Blower
General Secretary, National Union of Teachers
Mathew Bolton
London Citizens
Kay Carberry
Assistant General Secretary, TUC
Rt.Rev Stephen Cottrell
The Bishop of Chelmsford
Dr. Edie Friedman
Executive Director, Jewish Council for Racial Equality
Dr. Jonathan Githens-Mazer
Co-Director, European Muslim Research Centre (EMRC)
Billy Hayes
General Secretary, Communication Workers Union
Diana Holland
Assistant General Secretary (Equalities), Unite the Union
Talha Jamil Ahmad
Muslim Council of Britain
Bruce Kent
Vice President, Pax Christi
Jean Lambert MEP
Green Party
Claude Moraes MEP
Labour Party
Lisa Nandy MP
Labour Party
Peter Oborne
Daily Telegraph’s chief political commentator
Ismail Patel
You Elect
Kanja Sesay
NUS Black Students’ Officer
Martin Smith
Love Music Hate Racism
Hywel Williams MP
Plaid Cymru
Salma Yaqoob
Leader, Respect Party
London Citizens

Conference themes include:
• Reversing the tide of reaction – racism and Islamophobia today
• Muslims under siege
• No racist concessions to the BNP and EDL
• Defending our freedoms – no to religious bans
• One Society Many Cultures

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tobias malachi
Nov 28 2010, 06:52 PM
Not a good idea to crash this one you could do the EDL more harm than good. You may not like most of us have much time for the likes of Ken Livingston but he has the ear of the media and people in government and could do us a lot of damage if we give him the amunition and he is just one of many who will be in attendance that could do us serious damage.
If we are going to fight this one it has to be official and by some one who speaks their language and knows how they think a courtroom lawyer would be a good choice if we have one as a member willing to give freely of their time.
Going there to cause caos just puts us with the knuckle dragging yobs. we need to learn their game and use it against them
People need to think laterally.

We've had 2 demos where the UAF sabotaged sound equipment, in one case risking the lives of the people surrounding the equipment who could have been electrocuted.

I've asked the lads I spoke with about this conference to confirm if they are going. But I think now we should perhaps switch it, and have some women go to do this instead. Like I said, it won't involve any violence, but it would make it clear even whilst we are busy on a mass demo in Peterborough, we will make our voices heard at these conferences.

Who gives a damn about the media image? Less than a week after the police domestic extremism unit said "EDL are not extremists" The so-called Independent publishes an "article" claiming we are.

It's not about persuading these people. They are beyond persuasion. It's about forcing change by getting 80% of the country on our side. We are not letting the elite who control the media keep on pretending that the UK islamic fascist party does not exist.
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i got to agree with hs on this one.

the message needs to be clear, and the message must be based on facts ... the EDL could attend this demo with one slogan . a slogan close to HS heart ...

islam is anti gay, is it islamophic to protect gay rights

clear simple messages like this, will drive the point home .... because i would love to see the moslim representatives squirm under the spotlight and be asked, how are gays treated under sharia/koran ....
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Nov 28 2010, 06:38 PM
I think we should protest.
see you there then ;)
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Apart from the gay/lesbian issue, another thing the conferance could be put on the spot about is female genital mutilation, most of the people on that list would claim to support women's rights, and yet they have never said a word against it.
Maybe the anti-fgm groups could be emailed suggesting they turn up and ask awkward questions ?
Winston Churchill on Islam ; ' The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property, either as a child, a wife, or a concubine, must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men. Individual Moslems may show splendid qualities - but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world....
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Good background on the term , "islamophobia": Moderate Muslim Watch

We must remember that we are dealing with a supremacist ideology that has advanced for more than 14 centuries through the arts of war, chief among them, psychological operations ("sow terror in the hearts of the enemies", "war is deceit", Treaty of Hudaybiyyah, etc.). We must fight fire with fire. We must learn what the enemy fears and exploit those fears. Our greatest weapon at this stage in the fight is truth. At every turn we must inform our family, our friends, our neighbors, our working colleagues, our fellow countrymen, of the truth of the Islamic ideology. Learn to quote the Koran, the hadiths and passages from the Sira. You don't have to recite too many, just pick out a few on a topic that is of interest to you. Gather with friends and decide together who is going to become your local "expert" on the topic of how women are treated under shariah, another volunteer on the verses in the Koran that speak of jihad, another become the go-to person in the neighborhood on dhimmitude, another on Islamic conquest and another the way our ancestors defeated the Saracens in engagements like the Battle of Tours (732), the Battle of Lepanto (1571), the Battle of Vienna (1683), the bombardment of Algiers (1816). When you attend public meetings and are given opportunities to speak, ask embarrassing questions in tag-team fashion, one neighborhood "expert" after another on the full spectrum of topics encompassed by our local experts. Let the community hear it from multiple voices. Coordinate. To win these skirmishes we don't have to be physically disruptive, we can do it with our words and we don't even need to shout. Together and with military precision we can strike more fear into the hearts of our enemies with the sword of truth than they could ever hope to do with their incessant lies.
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I'm planning to go to Peterborogh on the 11th but I shall consider going past Peterborough (which is close to me) to travel all the way to London for this.

I'll be keeping my eyes and ears open but, should anyone suggest I attend alongside other EDL'ers, I will do that without hesitation if that's where 'my talents' would best be served. I'd need to know soonest in order to prepare my banners and or flags to suit this protest/venue.

Please keep this topic hot!

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i vote for ignomanious to go!,and shelfside to be his backup!....lol.

what saddens me is,theres a few devoted christians on that list,and im sure they have good intentions.....but all christians know....never be judgemental....its a big no-no...
there views will be hi-jacked....

and the rest of that rabble,will be chomping at the bit,to apportion there racist fantisies.

bennett and the uaf,will completley hi-jack that meeting,infact if you look at the uaf site,youd be forgiven for thinking that this was organized by the uaf.

a few well versed moles wouldnt go a miss!....

remember...where theres free wine and food,lard arse bennett,slimey smith,prick lowles,and kineverious ken will be there.
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Nov 28 2010, 10:28 PM
bennett and the uaf,will completley hi-jack that meeting,infact if you look at the uaf site,youd be forgiven for thinking that this was organized by the uaf.
Socialists like the UAF always try to hijack things, they always have an agenda for this stuff.
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Nov 28 2010, 08:21 PM
We-Are-The-British
Nov 28 2010, 06:38 PM
I think we should protest.
see you there then ;)
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What Islamophobia?

There are Islamic terrorists. How many attacks and thwarted attacks do there have to be? It isn't a phobia, it is a reality.

Since 911, 48 Americans have been killed by Muslim because they hate our country and non-Muslims. Only one man thought to be a Muslim was killed in the same time period.

To distrust Muslims is not Islamophobia.
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Nov 28 2010, 10:38 PM
What Islamophobia?
To dislike Islam is "Islamophobia", to do or say something, anything, that the left and Muslims consider to be anti-Islamic.

In that case, I'm proud to be Islamophobic.
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Best thing to do, which would be within the rules, is that EDL should sit in the audience and keep on firing questions about Kuffarophobia and Judeophobia. That would be legal. Though I note there is a Jewish representative at this conference of Hate the English Working Class. I think Jews call these Jewish appeasers and Islam-enablers 'kapos' or something.
'How the term "Islamophobia" got shoved down your throat', from Jihad Watch
I've maintained for years that the term "Islamophobia" was a politically manipulative coinage designed to silence critics of Islamic supremacism. Now Claire Berlinski explains how Islamic supremacists devised it for precisely that purpose. "Moderate Muslim Watch: How the Term 'Islamophobia' Got Shoved Down Your Throat," by Claire Berlinski at Ricochet.com, November 24 (thanks to Creeping Sharia):

Now here's a point you might deeply consider: The neologism "Islamophobia" did not simply emerge ex nihilo. It was invented, deliberately, by a Muslim Brotherhood front organization, the International Institute for Islamic Thought, which is based in Northern Virginia. If that name dimly rings a bell, it should: I've mentioned it before, and it's particularly important because it was co-founded by Anwar Ibrahim--the hero of Moderate Islam who is now trotting around the globe comparing his plight to that of Aung San Suu Kyi.



Abdur-Rahman Muhammad, a former member of the IIIT who has renounced the group in disgust, was an eyewitness to the creation of the word. "This loathsome term," he writes,

"is nothing more than a thought-terminating cliche conceived in the bowels of Muslim think tanks for the purpose of beating down critics."



In another article concerning the many moderate Muslims whose voices have been drowned out by Saudi-financed Muslim Brotherhood front groups, Muhammad describes the strategy behind the word's invention:

In an effort to silence critics of political Islam, advocates needed to come up with terminology that would enable them to portray themselves as victims. Muhammad said he was present when his then-allies, meeting at the offices of the International Institute for Islamic Thought (IIIT) in Northern Virginia years ago, coined the term "Islamophobia."

Muhammad said the Islamists decided to emulate the homosexual activists who used the term "homophobia" to silence critics. He said the group meeting at IIIT saw "Islamophobia" as a way to "beat up their critics."

Really imagine that scene: a bunch of Islamists admiring how astutely the queers--people who in their ideal world would be served with the lash or hanged--had portrayed their critics as mentally disturbed. Brilliant. Let's take a leaf from them and then kill them. The association of anti-Islamism--the noblest form of liberal anti-totalitarianism--with gay-bashing rednecks in the grip of a psychosexual panic was not just one of those linguistic accidents of history, in other words. These guys were sitting there in Virginia and really thinking about the best way to exploit the weaknesses of the Western psyche. They came up with this word--and admit it, it's clever; I challenge you to find a better one if you want to yank the West's chain--and they marketed it with petrodollars, and now it truly does drive public discourse and policy the world over. I was asked when I was recently on a Turkish television news show whether the Tea Party was "Islamophobic." That's what they're hearing here in Turkey, thanks to the IIIT. It's not an indigenous Turkish concept, I assure you....

tobias malachi
Nov 28 2010, 06:52 PM
Not a good idea to crash this one you could do the EDL more harm than good. You may not like most of us have much time for the likes of Ken Livingston but he has the ear of the media and people in government and could do us a lot of damage if we give him the amunition and he is just one of many who will be in attendance that could do us serious damage.
If we are going to fight this one it has to be official and by some one who speaks their language and knows how they think a courtroom lawyer would be a good choice if we have one as a member willing to give freely of their time.
Going there to cause caos just puts us with the knuckle dragging yobs. we need to learn their game and use it against them
Yes, you've got a point. But why would it be 'crashing' if we just went in and asked questions? It's a conference where things are DEBATED. We have a democratic and legal right to be there, as long as we don't kick Red Kenneth's arse - which would be a temptation that should be resisted.
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This is my point we need to attend and take part to ask the difficult questions we need people with debating skills and knowledge in there fighting our corner, we do not need a demo, it is a different battle to be won by guile and not numbers.
Think of the subject of the conference Racism and Islamophobia. We the EDL are against Racism and we believe that moderate muslims should be able to practice their religion without fear of islamist extreemist's who them selves are guilty of islamophobia against their own people.
We cannot protest against our own stated beliefs.
BUT a very dodgy idea has come to me, we could stand outside with banners saying that the EDL is against racism and islamophobia, it would not take many just those who are not going to Peterborough. A peaceful rally for first timers to attend
Edited by tobias malachi, Nov 29 2010, 11:20 AM.
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