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Piss-poor PA Systems...
Topic Started: Nov 28 2010, 04:21 PM (545 Views)
DanDax1990
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The PA System at Preston was really sh1t...

I was stood in the middle... Couldn't hear much at all...

If there was a good system the nobbers who were causing trouble at the front left (From where I was stood) could've probably heard being told to stop what they were doing and probably would of?

Needs to be speakers positioned at the back and sides too I reckon?

Or maybe I'm just talking nonsense lol

Anyone agree?
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get donating then dan and we will get a new one ;)
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I also didn't understand why when the speeches started... They had 4 speakers I think? Then halfway through they added more?

Why not just use every speaker that was possible?

Maybe there should be a way for people to Donate?

Just think if everyone donated a pound?...
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Here is some of what you missed mate ;)



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The police chopper didn't help much, TBH.
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DanDax1990
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The chopper wasn't too loud tbh...

But the main reason there should be a good System is for if things like what happened yesterday happens...

Lads started kicking off... If they could hear the speakers telling them to stop it they probably would have?

I reckon they should give use a way to Donate some money towards equipment for the Demos, I know I'll donate what little spare money I've got on my bank card :)
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i couldnt hear anything tbh...
all i can hear is buzzing and whistling tho anyway so thats nothing new.
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the system at preston was a new one
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have to agree was at the demo yesterday(preston) could hardly hear a thing
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DanDax1990
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It seemed really crap to me...

They need to lay the speakers out better too really instead of all bunched together at the middle of the front of the Demo?
I moved closer to the front and it still didn't make much difference aswell...
Edited by DanDax1990, Nov 28 2010, 04:31 PM.
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p.a was brilliant in nuneaton
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Nov 28 2010, 04:32 PM
p.a was brilliant in nuneaton
Yeah watched some videos and it seems loud and clear :)
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thing is they need to keep an eye on them or some bellend will try to wreck them
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Sorry mate we had the good one at nuneaton but know where you are coming from we do need a good pa system at every demo makes all the difference but hey its a minor problem 2 good demos yesterday the future is bright NO SURRENDER NEVER
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Is it a minor problem though?...

Either way I reckon a way for us to donate would be a good thing? Could raise a lot of money to go towards better equipment...

Which I reckon is needed...
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I have the reverse thought. The system at Nuneaton was so powerful, it was painful to be stood anywhere near it & in the direct line of the output.

Maybe there is just no happy medium unless a PA system is turned lower, but has far more loudspeakers place around the circumference of the demo.
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Yeah it's about getting a good balance...

More speakers placed around the demo site would make it so much better...

And what the person said about people wrecking them...

I'm sure there could be a 'supervisor' per speaker if needed?
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Nov 28 2010, 04:35 PM
I have the reverse thought. The system at Nuneaton was so powerful, it was painful to be stood anywhere near it & in the direct line of the output.

Maybe there is just no happy medium unless a PA system is turned lower, but has far more loudspeakers place around the circumference of the demo.
Know what your saying H.S we could here it from the pub in the high st when we poped out for some refreshments :D
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How many speaker were there at Nuneaton and how were the positioned?
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But... A lot of time and effort goes into the speeches...

So a crap PA System means those speeches are a waste of time and effort?

And like I said, I reckon the trouble at the front would've stopped a lot sooner with a good PA System so they could've heard what was being said to them...
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Nov 28 2010, 04:33 PM
Sorry mate we had the good one at nuneaton but know where you are coming from we do need a good pa system at every demo makes all the difference but hey its a minor problem 2 good demos yesterday the future is bright NO SURRENDER NEVER
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Sorry mate we had the good one at nuneaton but know where you are coming from we do need a good pa system at every demo makes all the difference but hey its a minor problem 2 good demos yesterday the future is bright NO SURRENDER NEVER


Well sed never
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DanDax1990
Nov 28 2010, 04:45 PM
But... A lot of time and effort goes into the speeches...

So a crap PA System means those speeches are a waste of time and effort?

And like I said, I reckon the trouble at the front would've stopped a lot sooner with a good PA System so they could've heard what was being said to them...
I believe you've made your point, son.
By all means give a pound, but first how about giving some credit for the people who made that event and lots of others before it, happen at all?
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I have given credit... It was a quality day and a good Demo :)

I'm not slating the Demo by all means... Just putting an opinion across on how I reckon future Demos could be better and safer...

If I didn't enjoy it... It would have been my first and last Demo...

But I'm already 110% making Peterborough :)
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The problem with tbe PA at Preston was with the speakers being on the floor. They didnt add more speakers, they just lifted them above head height where they should have been in the first place. Also the mics were too bassy. As an ex mobile DJ i know a bit about setting up sound systems so if any help is needed in future give me a shout
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Ahhh ok.

Putting them higher made a bit of a difference but still wasn't loud/clear enough unless you was right at the front...

I don't get why some people say it's only a minor problem...

I see it as a bigger problem than just minor...
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Speakers round the sides of the demo sites are needed imo, could hardly hear a thing at Preston.
Edited by TheNozSouthShields, Nov 28 2010, 05:22 PM.
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The PA system wasn't that good in Preston. The chopper, dickheads kicking off and the throwing of flash bangs didn't help either but I'm sure that lessons were learned and things will improve in the future.

The better pa system was definitely in Nuneaton. :)
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The problem is you get infiltrators and saboteurs, for every speaker you'd need 4 people guarding them. so who wants to volunteer as security?
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Nov 28 2010, 05:30 PM
The problem is you get infiltrators and saboteurs, for every speaker you'd need 4 people guarding them. so who wants to volunteer as security?
good point andy
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O.K guys, all those that couldn't hear, you are hereby cordially invited to be in the speaker security team. Well done chaps! ;)
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PA system might have been sh1t but the atmosphere was incredible. I filmed different parts of the demo while the speeches were going on to capture the atmosphere and the large numbers and have put them here http://www.libertiesalliance.org/2010/11/28/video-footage-from-edl-demonstration-in-preston-on-27-november-2010/
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Nov 28 2010, 05:30 PM
The problem is you get infiltrators and saboteurs, for every speaker you'd need 4 people guarding them. so who wants to volunteer as security?
i wouldnt mind guarding a speaker as youd know anyone sabbing it would defo be a red so ther'd be no mistaken identity giving them a good shoeing.
Aeneas Lavinium
Nov 28 2010, 05:55 PM
PA system might have been sh1t but the atmosphere was incredible. I filmed different parts of the demo while the speeches were going on to capture the atmosphere and the large numbers and have put them here http://www.libertiesalliance.org/2010/11/28/video-footage-from-edl-demonstration-in-preston-on-27-november-2010/
did you find your phone m8?
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Nov 28 2010, 05:58 PM
Andy Wilders
Nov 28 2010, 05:30 PM
The problem is you get infiltrators and saboteurs, for every speaker you'd need 4 people guarding them. so who wants to volunteer as security?
i wouldnt mind guarding a speaker as youd know anyone sabbing it would defo be a red so ther'd be no mistaken identity giving them a good shoeing.
Aeneas Lavinium
Nov 28 2010, 05:55 PM
PA system might have been sh1t but the atmosphere was incredible. I filmed different parts of the demo while the speeches were going on to capture the atmosphere and the large numbers and have put them here http://www.libertiesalliance.org/2010/11/28/video-footage-from-edl-demonstration-in-preston-on-27-november-2010/
did you find your phone m8?
no. but cancelled the SIM
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good vid aeneas...
we're actually on that one lol!
ill fb that!
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This is the PA used by MAC. The loudspeaker thing at the top is extremely loud and clear. I took this pic opposite downing street and you can hear it all down whitehall

http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/9498/p6200027.jpg
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excellent vids Aeneas good to meet you again yesterday mate
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My opinions are that a good PA System is essential...

And even more essential than a good PA System is well postitioned speakers...

Obviously there is a problem with having people maknig sure the speakers don't get damaged... But would it be that hard to get an extra couple of people at each speaker? Just 2 speakers at the sides would make a massive difference?

And does anyone else reckon that the ability to make a donation to go towards better/more equipment for the Demos is a good idea?

With the possibilities of numerous Demos on the same day then surely there needs to be more equipment than there already is? All it would take is a pound or 2 to have a good ammount of money in the kitty for the equipment :)
Aeneas Lavinium
Nov 28 2010, 05:55 PM
PA system might have been sh1t but the atmosphere was incredible. I filmed different parts of the demo while the speeches were going on to capture the atmosphere and the large numbers and have put them here http://www.libertiesalliance.org/2010/11/28/video-footage-from-edl-demonstration-in-preston-on-27-november-2010/
Oh and good job there pal :)
Edited by DanDax1990, Nov 28 2010, 06:31 PM.
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Whatever Preston lacked in a PA system it made up for with crowd noise. "We're the infidels of the EDL" at the start of that first video sounds like an entire football ground singing in harmony. Seeing the size of that crowd, I now understand the reason for the media blackout. Comparing the size of that crowd with the crowd at Bolton is interesting - EDL completely fills that square. Is that right? Or was there a large UAF presence there (well, larger than the 29 UAF who were in Nuneaton)?

I love the flag saying "Gurkhas not Burkas" :)

Thanks Aeneas. It seems like years since we met at the Aylesbury demo!
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we had a great PA system in Nuneaton i think, as for your point on donations, not sure about anywhere else but for London regional meetings we have a bucket go round for people to put in what they can, last regional meeting we had a raffle which raised a bit of money aswell... NS
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Just a little idea here...

Maybe there could be a PayPal account set up... You can get a PayPal 'Donate' button hotlinked to here...

Then people can make donations from their bank to the PayPal account?

I know I'd donate any spare money in my bank at the end of each month...

Heard a lot of good comments on the Nuneaton PA System so looks like that doesn't need upgrading lol
And yeah the start of that video is great...

But the second video who's you why we need a better PA System?

Crowd control would be much easier if the speakers could be heard?

When the national anthem kicks in it's hard to hear it... I was in the middle and only heard it halfway through when more people were singing it which was a bit of a shame :(
Shows* not who's... lol
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if you set up a specific paypal account to buy a new PA system ill donate a fair amount.
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I've been told that it'll be a feature on the new EDL Website thats under construction...

If not... It should be implimented :)
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Nov 28 2010, 06:39 PM
I love the flag saying "Gurkhas not Burkas" :)

aye its a good one that mate ;)

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DanDax1990
Nov 28 2010, 06:43 PM
Just a little idea here...

Maybe there could be a PayPal account set up... You can get a PayPal 'Donate' button hotlinked to here...

Then people can make donations from their bank to the PayPal account?

I know I'd donate any spare money in my bank at the end of each month...
There is already a paypal donate option on the facebook main EDL page, so fill yer boots.

http://www.facebook.com/English.Defence.League.EDL?v=app_4949752878
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Thanks cutter :)

All my small change in my bank is going in now and shall do at the end of every month :)

I like a round number in my bank account anyway... Unless 0 isn't a round number? Haha.

They should make it so you can donate through the forum and the main page too :)
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I'm not sure if its possible or not but can we get a link to the facebook paypal thing on here and pin it at the top?
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It's easy to hotlink the 'Donate' button on here...
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Realisticly speaking , How much of a speech will you hear when surrounded by over a thousand enthusiastic EDL'ers.
Our old town or city market places were not built with accoustics in mind,
Someday when EDL is large enough we might book wembley stadium And during the speeches ,we will all hush, wave our lighters in the air and listen to the speeches,Through some magnificent Sound system that The London philharmoic orchestra have set up to hear a pin drop from 5 miles ,
Of course i can remember when we had naff all ,And the dream was to get a megaphone, and an crate,
Now we have 2 PA systems.
Some people are spoilt rotten,
Start spreading the videos of speeches on your forums websites blog sites,facebook,mobile phones, anywhere,
1000 can hear the speeches on the day, millions can see them in the aftermath, All crystal clear and from the comfort of their front rooms,
Onwards and upwards,
No surrender (even if the PA might be a little croaky)


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Nov 28 2010, 07:47 PM
Realisticly speaking , How much of a speech will you hear when surrounded by over a thousand enthusiastic EDL'ers.
Our old town or city market places were not built with accoustics in mind,
Someday when EDL is large enough we might book wembley stadium And during the speeches ,we will all hush, wave our lighters in the air and listen to the speeches,Through some magnificent Sound system that The London philharmoic orchestra have set up to hear a pin drop from 5 miles ,
Of course i can remember when we had naff all ,And the dream was to get a megaphone, and an crate,
Now we have 2 PA systems.
Some people are spoilt rotten,
Start spreading the videos of speeches on your forums websites blog sites,facebook,mobile phones, anywhere,
1000 can hear the speeches on the day, millions can see them in the aftermath, All crystal clear and from the comfort of their front rooms,
Onwards and upwards,
No surrender (even if the PA might be a little croaky)
well said span ;)
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