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creating alliances ?
Topic Started: Nov 27 2010, 07:52 PM (320 Views)
charlesthefrank ex gov
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is there any chance that senior members of both the edl and uaf can get together and discuss any common ground they may have in a civilised manner ?

it appears on the surface that in some respects they/we are at different ends of the spectrum but in other more deeply thought-through ways, they/we have so many similarities.

both are ant-facist (in edl's case against islamic facism)
both are against bigotry (in edl's case the bigotry of islam and in uaf's case bigotry in general)

the animosity between the 2 parties is due, i feel, to the fact that neither one really understands and appreciates the utimate purpose of the other. it's just been slagging each other off at protests.and over the net. neither one really understands or is willing to listen to the other.

then again, if a major force within the uaf comprises islamic groups, then i guess there is little hope.

just imagine if bhp, edl,uaf and even ukip could form an alliance of sorts to really get government policy changed. there must be areas of agreement that could be worked on.

maybe its just a pipedream but, hey, wouldn't it be cool.

any opinions on this ?
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The UAF would probably say no.
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There were attempts by people here to engage these groups last year (I specifically remember someone talking to Lowles). They didn't want to know and had their minds made up before they really knew anything about the EDL.

These groups require 'an enemy' to justify their existence and will select any group who doesn't fit in with their politics. Anyone outside their poxy circle is condemned as fascistic.

They made their bed and they can fcuk off and lie in it.
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in all honesty, if the UAF were to abide by their founding principles the answer from them should be yes ... BUT

they are not....... the need the EDL to justify their existence, it is all about money / funding... without something to fight they are not going to get 'paid'.... the fact of the matter now is that support for the UAF is dwindling fast, and they are not what was the anti nazi league, which was created for the right reasons ...

The UAF is so far in the communist hands now, it has moved so far from the founding principles, its not going to happen ....

I would say that, as daft as it sounds, EDL would have more success with HnH if they got rid of that Muppet that leads them ... because they have to a degree turned a corner on seeing islam for what it is ...
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Knuckles
Nov 27 2010, 07:56 PM
These groups require 'an enemy' to justify their existence
Exactly. If the EDL and the BNP didn't exist, the UAF would have nothing to do.
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Pfft... Would be worth a try... Don't they would though...

Might be a good idea to write ab open letter to UAF supporters to Coe to a meeting to disscuss promels they may have with us...
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Can't see it happening.

Since the BNP are going bust the UAF/HNH/Antifa need an enemy to justify their own pathetic excistance because they know Fascism/Neo-Nazis are pretty much dead in England.

If the EDL didn't exist they'd find another enemy elsewhere to protest against, probably St Georges day parades.
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tobias malachi
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Yes I agree there is a lot of common ground between us, but all the time there is a Red puppet master pulling the strings of the Student Union there is no chance of the two sides sitting down and talking. If we did then the world would change.
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I would love to see the UAF actually address the issues of Islam properly and come on side with us. Hell, I'll even go discuss it with them...

But they wont. As others have pointed out they need an enemy and for some insane reason its us. Not MAC or MDL but the people who actually want equality, freedom and rights for all.

Go figure eh...
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It's their far-left mindsets that stops them from realising that the Islamification of Britain is very bad and needs to be opposed.

They and the rest of the far-left are the most ignorant and blindest people I know about.
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they are pure scum...
people need to look beneath the name 'UAF'.
they loath anything british,
they are vile communist filth.
we've been standing them down for 20 odd yrs in their various incarnations.
theyre worse than the radical muslims they openly support.
UAF still havnt or wont condemn the poppy burning.
theyre irrelevant and a dying org as we've seen today.


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charlesthefrank ex gov
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bit of a non-starter then.
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clee1970
Nov 27 2010, 08:32 PM
they are pure scum...
people need to look beneath the name 'UAF'.
they loath anything british,
they are vile communist filth.
we've been standing them down for 20 odd yrs in their various incarnations.
theyre worse than the radical muslims they openly support.
UAF still havnt or wont condemn the poppy burning.
theyre irrelevant and a dying org as we've seen today.


what clee said^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
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clee1970
Nov 27 2010, 08:32 PM
they are pure scum...
people need to look beneath the name 'UAF'.
they loath anything british,
they are vile communist filth.
we've been standing them down for 20 odd yrs in their various incarnations.
theyre worse than the radical muslims they openly support.
UAF still havnt or wont condemn the poppy burning.
theyre irrelevant and a dying org as we've seen today.


I am glad someone can see them for what they really are.Smith and Bennett want to turn England into a Stalinist state,same as the old Soviet Union was where no one has any rights apart from the people at the top of the party,ie,Smith and Bennett.My dad's country was destroyed by Communism and I would hate the same thing to happen to this country.They oppose the EDL because they hate people who are patriotic and have pride in their countries history.These bastards should talk to someone who has experienced Communism first hand as it might shock them.Or they might like to read Bertrand Russell's autobiography and see how his opinion of Communism changed after a visit to the Soviet Union in the early twenties.

The EDL dosen't need the UAF and shouldn't touch it with a bargepole.If any alliances should be made a far better choice would be the Countryside Allaince that shares many of the EDL's values.
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and the complete irony is that smith,bennett,lowles and co would be incarcerated under a communist rule for dissent.

and talking to the countryside alliance is a great shout!!!
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The Swine
Nov 27 2010, 09:18 PM
clee1970
Nov 27 2010, 08:32 PM
they are pure scum...
people need to look beneath the name 'UAF'.
they loath anything british,
they are vile communist filth.
we've been standing them down for 20 odd yrs in their various incarnations.
theyre worse than the radical muslims they openly support.
UAF still havnt or wont condemn the poppy burning.
theyre irrelevant and a dying org as we've seen today.


I am glad someone can see them for what they really are.Smith and Bennett want to turn England into a Stalinist state,same as the old Soviet Union was where no one has any rights apart from the people at the top of the party,ie,Smith and Bennett.My dad's country was destroyed by Communism and I would hate the same thing to happen to this country.They oppose the EDL because they hate people who are patriotic and have pride in their countries history.These bastards should talk to someone who has experienced Communism first hand as it might shock them.Or they might like to read Bertrand Russell's autobiography and see how his opinion of Communism changed after a visit to the Soviet Union in the early twenties.

The EDL dosen't need the UAF and shouldn't touch it with a bargepole.If any alliances should be made a far better choice would be the Countryside Allaince that shares many of the EDL's values.
They hate patriotism because they see it as "divisive".
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I am not familiar with the UAF but if they are like any lefty groups in the states it will be impossible to come to any compromise with these people. No matter what you offer it wont be enough, and in the end you will change yourself to be more like them and then this whole thing becomes moot.

I believe in dialog, but we are not talking about a (for us) a bill up for vote in the senate, we are talking about the very survival of our way of life.

Compromise and dialog while noble aspirations are only practical with people who are willing to find common cause with you. If you sacrifice your beliefs in the name of compromise then you lose. We all lose.

"The true Islamic concept of peace goes something like this:'Peace comes through submission to Muhammad and his concept of Allah'(i.e. Islam). As such the Islamic concept of peace, meaning making the whole world Muslim, is actually a mandate for war. It was inevitable and unavoidable that the conflict would eventually reach our borders, and so it has." - Vernon Richards

Nizom, Novil, Ne'haveh Dugma VeNenaze'ah - We shall Innovate, Lead, Set an Example and Win. - My Paratrooper Unit Motto
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boudicca
Nov 27 2010, 07:58 PM
I would say that, as daft as it sounds, EDL would have more success with HnH if they got rid of that Muppet that leads them ... because they have to a degree turned a corner on seeing islam for what it is ...
Whats HnH?

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i like to sow the seed with lefties and question how they come to believe that freedom of speech means " i disagree, so shut up racist nazi"?
really i would like to know how i with a mult-racial family (and i love them all); is called childish horrible names by them . Do they really believe this ,are the guests able to answer me ;come on answer me please notice i said multi-racial we are not multi - cultural as we all love this Country and all she stands for..
“The modern definition of "racist" is "someone who is winning an argument with a liberal” --- Peter Brimelow
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charlesthefrank ex gov
Nov 27 2010, 08:35 PM
bit of a non-starter then.
What gave you that idea mate? :D :D
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clee1970
Nov 27 2010, 08:32 PM
they are pure scum...
people need to look beneath the name 'UAF'.
they loath anything british,
they are vile communist filth.
we've been standing them down for 20 odd yrs in their various incarnations.
theyre worse than the radical muslims they openly support.
UAF still havnt or wont condemn the poppy burning.
theyre irrelevant and a dying org as we've seen today.


What he said, with bells on.
They're an irrelevance now as their numbers this weekend have shown, why give them any credibility by even thinking about discussing anything with them.
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HnH = Hope not Hate
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dozyuk
Nov 27 2010, 10:30 PM
boudicca
Nov 27 2010, 07:58 PM
I would say that, as daft as it sounds, EDL would have more success with HnH if they got rid of that Muppet that leads them ... because they have to a degree turned a corner on seeing islam for what it is ...
Whats HnH?
HnH is Hope Not Hate an offshoot of anti-fascist magazine Searchlight.
Hope Not Hate is the 'street' version of Searchlight, set up by Searchlight to placate Lowles, but in reality HNH can't call upon any active members, instead it attaches itself parasitically to autonomous anti-fascist activists by winding them up with false stories about the intentions of the EDL
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VillaLoyal
Nov 27 2010, 10:40 PM
dozyuk
Nov 27 2010, 10:30 PM
boudicca
Nov 27 2010, 07:58 PM
I would say that, as daft as it sounds, EDL would have more success with HnH if they got rid of that Muppet that leads them ... because they have to a degree turned a corner on seeing islam for what it is ...
Whats HnH?
HnH is Hope Not Hate an offshoot of anti-fascist magazine Searchlight.
Hope Not Hate is the 'street' version of Searchlight, set up by Searchlight to placate Lowles, but in reality HNH can't call upon any active members, instead it attaches itself parasitically to autonomous anti-fascist activists by winding them up with false stories about the intentions of the EDL
Hey thanks for the info, I've just been on their website and had a quick scan, It appears that I'm a football hooligan, when did that happen? :unsure:

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Wake up and smell the coffee if uaf and soap not hope got a chance they would destroy the EDL from within at the behest of their government / MI5 masters ,been involved in this struggle for decades Ive seen it all never forget they are our enemy and Britains enemy
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What we should be doing is forming smaller groups dedicated to exposing like the leftys do. We should also be finding support from groups like the ENA and SIOE, even Ukip may be interested in working together on some issues...


People may slate me for this but the leftys have layed down a good blueprint on how to organise and turn words into action. We'd be daft not to follow it...

We need to bolster our output and impact, we have the support!
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CHARLES THE FRANK IS EITHER A NUTTER OR A SECURITY SEVICES PLANT
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Wade
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lol it appears we all are, aswell as nazi, fascists lol
i dont know how i find the time lol
THE STRUGGLE?
Forgive me but what struggle?
i have only become aware of these extreamists since 9/11 and the strange commie fcuks after the edl formed


please enlighten me
Edited by Wade, Nov 27 2010, 11:08 PM.
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To menthe uaf are just a front, an excuse to attack the EDL inthe name of Allah
"This is a sad day for all of us, and to none is it sadder than to me. Everything that I have worked for, everything that I have believed in during my public life, has crashed into ruins. There is only one thing left for me to do: That is, to devote what strength and powers I have to forwarding the victory of the cause for which we have to sacrifice so much"
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dozyuk
Nov 27 2010, 10:52 PM
VillaLoyal
Nov 27 2010, 10:40 PM
dozyuk
Nov 27 2010, 10:30 PM

Quoting limited to 3 levels deep
HnH is Hope Not Hate an offshoot of anti-fascist magazine Searchlight.
Hope Not Hate is the 'street' version of Searchlight, set up by Searchlight to placate Lowles, but in reality HNH can't call upon any active members, instead it attaches itself parasitically to autonomous anti-fascist activists by winding them up with false stories about the intentions of the EDL
Hey thanks for the info, I've just been on their website and had a quick scan, It appears that I'm a football hooligan, when did that happen? :unsure:
I had a dialogue with Lowles last year and he said I had a neo fascist football mentality whatever that is.
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Nov 27 2010, 11:14 PM
he said I had a neo fascist football mentality
Snap! I have one of those.....
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uaf/hnh are finished!,poor nicks begging for 15 grand...to help spread the word about the big,bad,edl!!!

wake up nick....and toodle off to your local jobcentre!...its coming,and you know it....uaf/hnh are finished!...
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