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Poppy burners MET response.
Topic Started: Nov 25 2010, 10:22 PM (578 Views)
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I made a complaint to the met police, about the arrest of EDL members, on rememberance day, yet the islamic fools were allowed to spout their bile, and burn the poppies, the ultimate symbol of respect for the armed forces, past and present.

I explained about the extreme offence I took to the act, and explained how I felt the act was an outragious act of indecency, and was done to cause the maximum amout of insult and pain to the British people.

Today, I received a reply via email from the Met.

Atleast I mean I received a forwarded email, that I assumed was sent out en mass, due to the lack of personalisation.

I replied and told them I didnt think they took the issue seriously enough, due to the lack of personalisation in the email, and the fact a 15 year old girl was arrested recently in the Midlands for burning a koran, and charged with insiting racial hatred.


Im awaiting the reply!!!

Below is the copy/paste of the email from the met.


Dear Sir or Madam :

Thank you for your recent feedback to The Metropolitan Police Service regarding the public protests in London on 11 November 2010.

Chief Superintendent Michael Johnson has released the following statement in relation to this:
Thank you for taking the time to bring your thoughts to the attention of the Commissioner. I was the operational police commander for the events of 11 November and I fully appreciate the strength of feeling aroused. Hopefully this response will give you an explanation of the events and the constraints put upon police with regard to the policing of protest.

Police were aware that a protest would be held by a pro-Islamic group and that there would be a counter demonstration by the English Defence League (EDL). It is worth pointing out at this stage that police do not and cannot grant authority for any group to hold demonstrations. Article 10 of the Human Rights Act states that everyone has the right of freedom of expression and Article 11 enshrines the right to assemble and peacefully protest. Police do not have any power to ban marches other than in exceptional circumstances where serious public disorder is feared. This would not, and did not, apply to the events on 11 November.

Whilst many people observe the two minutes silence on Armistice Day it is not an offence not to do so. Consequently, in the absence of any other substantive criminal offences, police do not have any power to enforce observation of the silence nor power to arrest for failing to do so. The burning of flags is an emotive subject; however, it is not an offence in itself.

Police must always maintain an objective view of all protest and can only arrest when there is a legal power to do so and the Crown Prosecution Service (CPS) can only prosecute when there is a reasonable prospect of conviction.

You are aware that two protestors set fire to poppy wreaths. You may not be aware that both these individuals were immediately arrested for public order offences and have been bailed pending a CPS decision on prosecution. Four EDL protestors were arrested for public order offences, one for assaulting police and one for possession of controlled drugs - similarly these individuals have been bailed pending CPS decisions.

I hope that you will see that police did take appropriate action on 11 November, within the constraints of the law.

Your comments are valued & we trust that this clarifies the current status of this matter.
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He/she spends the majority of the missive making excuses as to why they couldn't arrest the jihadists

because no offence had been committed, (which is false) then at the end contradicts him/herself and says 2 of them were arrested...

what for if no offence had been committed? That's what you get when you talk out of the side of your mouth.
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Quote: The burning of flags is an emotive subject; however, it is not an offence in itself. Unquote.

Therefore it cannot be an offence to obtain the black battle flag of Islam and burn it, can it? Is an offence to burn the Holy Bible? If not, then it cannot be an offence to burn the Quran.

However, if we did so, the the ob would arrest us for inciting religious hatred, a totally different offence which applies only to us but not to Muslims.
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Wasp, Ruby, Thats my thoughts also.
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wonder wether the infested CPS will prosecute 'the two arrested' ?
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[Whilst many people observe the two minutes silence on Armistice Day it is not an offence not to do so. Consequently, in the absence of any other substantive criminal offences, police do not have any power to enforce observation of the silence nor power to arrest for failing to do so. The burning of flags is an emotive subject; however, it is not an offence in itself. ]

WTF??? It IS an offence to disturb the silence of those who are mourning for our dead, and that is the WHOLE fcukING COUNTRY!
They were in breach of peace to start with.
They caused unbearable offence to the British people.
They are not doing free speech, they are spewing FREE HATE!

Their freedom ends where mine starts! The police should have stopped them. Tommy did but the police acted in a despicable manner towards him!
He did what the police should have done! And they still lied about Tommy attacking them.
Tossers!!!

If you need a fitting reply to this, please let me know.
Glad to help put these imbeciles in their place.
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Nov 25 2010, 10:42 PM
Quote: The burning of flags is an emotive subject; however, it is not an offence in itself. Unquote.

Therefore it cannot be an offence to obtain the black battle flag of Islam and burn it, can it? Is an offence to burn the Holy Bible? If not, then it cannot be an offence to burn the Quran.

However, if we did so, the the ob would arrest us for inciting religious hatred, a totally different offence which applies only to us but not to Muslims.
I say we put it to the test at the next demo. We burn the black flag of Islam (not the Koran). If hundreds of us turned up with black flags of Islam and torched them all at the same time, they couldn't arrest every one of us. If they arrest anyone we ask, why are they allowed to burn the British and American flags, but we're not allowed to burn their satanic flag!?
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I would of thought burning anything in the middle of the street would of been illegal.
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TOMMY WANTS KNIGHTING!! HES A LEGEND AND HES GOT BACK BONE, WHICH IS MORE THAN THOSE SPINELESS MET BOBBIES. I FELT SICK WHEN THAT COPPER SMASHED TOMMYS HEAD ONTO A STEEL RAILING.....I KNOW A VET SPITFIRE PILOT, HIS WORDS TO ME ARE "WHY DID WE DO IT"?? BECAUSE OF THE DIRE STATE OUR COUNTRY IS IN...THOSE WERE MILITANT ISLAMIC EXTREMISTS SHOUTING BRITISH SOLDIERS BURN IN fcukING HELL IN OUR CAPITAL ON REMEMBERANCE DAY!! HELLO AM I MISSING SOMETHING HERE. fcukING MET. WANKERS, AT LEAST THE STUDENTS GAVE EM A GOOD TANNING.
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The police are simply scared. Muslims are experts in inciting fear and the Met are sh1tting themselves at the prospect of ever arresting a muslim. Just saying the word muslim sends an uncomfortable shudder down their spines.
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so them banners stating all kinds of sh1t isnt inciting religious hatred, or indeed threatening behaviour
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Well I certainly feel threatened by them.
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what the hell is transphobic?
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Nov 25 2010, 11:28 PM
I would of thought burning anything in the middle of the street would of been illegal.
It is illegal to make a bonfire in a public place and also at certain times on private land.I should imagine the arrests of the Muslims were for this offence as its not illegal to burn flowers or imitation flowers.
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wat a waist of time of our great grandads, great grandmar's an older relatives. There sweat blood and tears fightin for OUR freedom of our country only til now be over run by wat?? Rats from across the seas that dupilcate a into bread an cost the english workin man!!!! is it not enough we just about put food on table for are own get bollaxed by the goverment!! it takes silly little people to burn a bit of paper an plastic too rile us, but the thing that keeps us strong is a diffrernt story if we did the koran or another religion, like are fellow friends have? we would be hung draw an quarted an been the bad egg as always
!!!but this is are country an we just get sh1t on by every1, an its time we stand up for are rites an make the peps speak an call the shots an unite as we have in the past sted of lettin goverment an are religious friends rule the true english man? but were better than that we will sit an wait like we did in the war bide are time an do wat we need to do to beat all other countrys an come out on top no surender!! is that we fighted the war once be4 we do it again!!!
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Nov 26 2010, 12:38 AM
wat a waist of time of our great grandads, great grandmar's an older relatives. There sweat blood and tears fightin for OUR freedom of our country only til now be over run by wat?? Rats from across the seas that dupilcate a into bread an cost the english workin man!!!! is it not enough we just about put food on table for are own get bollaxed by the goverment!! it takes silly little people to burn a bit of paper an plastic too rile us, but the thing that keeps us strong is a diffrernt story if we did the koran or another religion, like are fellow friends have? we would be hung draw an quarted an been the bad egg as always
!!!but this is are country an we just get sh1t on by every1, an its time we stand up for are rites an make the peps speak an call the shots an unite as we have in the past sted of lettin goverment an are religious friends rule the true english man? but were better than that we will sit an wait like we did in the war bide are time an do wat we need to do to beat all other countrys an come out on top no surender!! is that we fighted the war once be4 we do it again!!!
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in plane english wot a load of cheeky cnuts burning the popies and takin the piss out of the 1000s of british heros hw died 4 me and my fellow english men
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So if people littered "Muslim areas" with torn out pages from the Koran what would they be charged with?
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Nov 26 2010, 12:20 AM
so them banners stating all kinds of sh1t isnt inciting religious hatred, or indeed threatening behaviour
Those banners are a direct threat to every person that lives England so surely they can be arrested for making threats to kill?
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The girl that was arrested for burning a koran goes to my daughters school, and a 14 year old lad has been arrested and bailed for making threats. This is the same school where my daughter was told by a muslim lad that when sharia law comes in she will be chained to a sink. So if burning a poppy isnt againt the law why should burning a book be against the law. The police say she is inciting racial hated so what did burning the poppy do? Double standards anyone.
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I got the same load of sh1t from the Met for my Complaint. They are a waste of space and actually Traffic Wardens at best in reall world terms.
"What is our policy?... To wage war against a monstrous tyranny, never surpassed in the dark lamentable catalogue of human crime. What is our aim?... Victory... Victory at all costs. Victory in spite of all terror. Victory, however long and hard the road may be. For without victory, there is no survival".

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Nov 26 2010, 12:48 AM
So if people littered "Muslim areas" with torn out pages from the Koran what would they be charged with?
Littering ;) :D :D :D
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Nov 26 2010, 01:18 AM
I got the same load of sh1t from the Met for my Complaint. They are a waste of space and actually Traffic Wardens at best in reall world terms.
They must have had loads of complaints, and thought sod it, cant be bothered waisting time on the tax payers, 1 letter for all should do!!!
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the police are scum, they are ok to arrest EDL members for nothing, and beat us with batons but they can`t touch their sacred jihadis.
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Nov 26 2010, 01:14 AM
The girl that was arrested for burning a koran goes to my daughters school, and a 14 year old lad has been arrested and bailed for making threats. This is the same school where my daughter was told by a muslim lad that when sharia law comes in she will be chained to a sink. So if burning a poppy isnt againt the law why should burning a book be against the law. The police say she is inciting racial hated so what did burning the poppy do? Double standards anyone.
Article 10 of the Human Rights Act states that everyone has the right of freedom of expression and Article 11 enshrines the right to assemble and peacefully protest. (from OP's letter)

Surely this means we have the right to burn the 'demon' book, doesn't it?

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Nov 25 2010, 10:22 PM
Police do not have any power to ban marches other than in exceptional circumstances where serious public disorder is feared. This would not, and did not, apply to the events on 11 November.

Why can they ban us but not them?

So what they are saying is that we need to show a much more violent reaction when we are insulted by these people and then the police will be in a position to stop it!
THEY JOINED FOR MANY REASONS, TO MARCH, TO SAIL, TO FLY. THEY WENT WHERE THEY WERE POSTED, BUT NOBODY JOINS TO DIE. THEIR LEADERS TALK ON TV, WHAT ELSE COULD WE HAVE DONE? BUT THOSE LEADERS LOST NO DAUGHTERS, AND NONE HAS LOST A SON. SO HERE'S TO ALL OUR SOLDIERS WHEREVER THEY MAY BE...AND HERES TO ALL THEIR FAMILIES, I RAISE A GLASS TO THEE...WEAR YOUR POPPY WITH PRIDE.
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Nov 26 2010, 01:45 PM
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Nov 25 2010, 10:22 PM
Police do not have any power to ban marches other than in exceptional circumstances where serious public disorder is feared. This would not, and did not, apply to the events on 11 November.

Why can they ban us but not them?

So what they are saying is that we need to show a much more violent reaction when we are insulted by these people and then the police will be in a position to stop it!
I was thinking exactly the Same Star!
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Makes you angry just reading the pathetic response from the old bill doesnt it?!
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Can you forward me that letter from the MET

Would be helpful


Edited; it's not a good idea to put personal info on the open forum.

I have forwarded the info via PM for you. Ruby.
Edited by Ruby, Nov 26 2010, 09:19 PM.
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''Whilst many people observe the two minutes silence on Armistice Day it is not an offence not to do so'' its also not a offence to burn the koran so why the arrest.
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