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Girl, 15, arrested over 'Facebook Koran burning video'
Topic Started: Nov 25 2010, 10:17 AM (2,181 Views)
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I made the same poin on another post :the Gateshead six. whe must not just sit back, The OB must understand it works both ways. end off
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I've been meaning to publish a video on YouTube! I don't give a flying fcuk if they arrest me for it either!

I find the koran is good blotting paper (it's the only thing it's good for really, oh, apart from making paper mashy). It's perfect for getting the excess fat off my sausage and bacon before I pop them on my bread. After you've used the koran for soaking up pig fat, it seems to catch fire and burst into flames with dramatic effect. It'll make a good YouTube vid actually!

Cheaper than kitchen roll, cheaper than bog roll, great entertainment to watch them burn. Get yours now, only 99p on eBay.
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Try wiping your arse on it and leaving it unflushed in a public loo frequented by Moonworshippers:

"If a page from the holy Qur'an, or any sacred object like a paper on which the names of Almighty Allah or the Holy Prophet or the holy Imams are written, falls in a lavatory, it is obligatory to take it out and make it Pak with water, no matter what expenses it may entail. And, if it is not possible to take it out, the use of that lavatory should be discontinued till such time when one is certain that the page has dissolved and petered out." http://crombouke.blogspot.com/2010/01/koran-in-toilet.html
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I find this bizarre.

It's not even the point that it's just a book. It's a 15 year old probably doing something for attention and this is the reaction :'(
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She is only 15, By law she can't: go in a pub,bookies,club,buy fags,beer,lotto, join the army, she can't even vote for our useless goverment, If I was her dad I would tell her to tell the truth that when she had resd it she thought it was a comic
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i dont agree with burning of any book, however, i dont agree that because someone does burn a book they should be arrested for it ... thats wrong, freedom of speech expression should allow one to express themselves, and if they want to burn a book, so be it ....

look ... how many bibles have been burnt over the yrs, what has been done about that manson freak who burnt a bible at one of his gigs ... NOTHING...

fcuk the wmp, they are infiltrated to the hilt and i would demand a full inquiry in their handling of all things associated with islam by them tbfh ...

so fcuking pissed off atm, just beggers belief that MOSLIMS can burn the poopy, and MOSLIMS can burn our flag, and MOSLIMS can insult our soldiers and noone ever is charged with anything... they get off scot free .. because of the fear of upsetting MOSLIMS .. fcuking fuming i tell you ... fcuk islam ...
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Muslims worship the Koran as if it were a god. In a way it's a form of idolatry - a charge they are always throwing at everyone else.

Another type of idolatry is when they muff-dive the sacred sexy meteorite: http://s1.zetaboards.com/EDL_The_Forum/topic/3954995/1/
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In the name of Allah, Most Compassionate, Most Merciful,

With regards to getting rid of unwanted religious and Islamic literature, the great classical Hanafi jurist (faqih), Imam al-Haskafi (Allah have mercy on him) states:

“Books that are no longer benefited from, one should wipe away the names of Allah, His Angels, and His Messengers, and burn the rest. There is also nothing wrong with casting them into a flowing river as they are (i.e. without wiping away those names) or burying them, and this (burying them) is better.” (Radd al-Muhtar ala al-Durr al-Mukhtar, 5/271)

Thus, if one decides to dispose of religious literature, the best thing would be to bury it by wrapping it in something pure first, in a place where people would not normally walk. It would also be permitted to tie the books and papers with something heavy and cast them into a flowing river. Alternatively, the literature may be burnt, but in this case, only after erasing the names of Allah, His Angels and His Messengers.

Disposing Unusable Copies of the Qur’an

As far as old and unusable copies of the Qur’an are concerned, it is not permitted to burn them unless there is no other way to dispose of them.

The great Hanafi Imam, Imam Ibn Abidin (may Allah have mercy on him) states:

“If a copy of the Mushaf (qur’an) becomes old and it is difficult to read from it, it should not be burnt in fire. This is what Imam Muhammad (m: student of Imam Abu Hanifa) pointed out and this is what we take. It will not be disliked to bury it. It should be wrapped in a pure cloth, and a Lahd grave (m: grave that has a incision in the side wall, customary in hot climate countries where the earth is solid) should be dug, because if a Shiq grave (m: grave with a straight opening, common in cold climate countries due to the earth being soft) is dug and the copy of the Qur’an is buried, it will entail the soil falling on top of the Qur’an which is a form of disrespect, unless a slab is placed as a roof…” (Radd al-Muhtar, 5/271)

In light of the above, there are two methods of disposing of an unusable copy of the Qur’an:

1) Wrapping it in a pure piece of cloth and burying it respectfully in a place where people (normally) do not walk about. In cold climate countries (such as the UK), one may dig a Shiq grave, but a slab should be placed first and over it the soil.

2) Fastening the Qur’an with a heavy object like a stone and then placing it respectfully in flowing water.

If one is able to implement the above two methods, it would not be permitted to burn the copy of the Qur’an. However, if the above two methods are difficult to carry out, then one may burn the Qur’an and bury or drown the resulting ash.

And Allah knows best


Source: http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?221340-how-to-dispose-of-islamic-literature-in-a-halal-manner

Clearly this young lass couldn't bury or drown her unwanted qur'an and had no choice but to burn it. :D
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'West Midlands Police will investigate and monitor any crime reported by individuals who may have been targeted because of their disability, gender, race, religion or belief, sexual orientation or transgender.'

unless they are muslims. If they are muslim the complaint is sidelined checked over by the fella with the highest pips on shift then binned in case it causes friction in the community. (which means unless it gets the muslim hard liners wide eyed and angry. heaven forbid a community leader gets all foamy round the beard.... cant have that now, it wouldnt be british....
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BBC Midlands news again! It showed a photo of the poppy burning and said it may of prompted her to do it!!! GIVE HER A MEDAL!!! I hope her family proud of her if this was the reason...
Edited by dudleyanglosaxon, Nov 25 2010, 11:34 PM.
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how can you arrest a 15 year old girl for burning a koran with racial hate, but allow islamic extremist to burn poppy's a national symbol to honour the dead and shout anti-British slogans ?
what is the logic behind that
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The girl that was arrested for burning a koran goes to my daughters school, and a 14 year old lad has been arrested and bailed for making threats. This is the same school where my daughter was told by a muslim lad that when sharia law comes in she will be chained to a sink. So if burning a poppy isnt againt the law why should burning a book be against the law. The police say she is inciting racial hated so what did burning the poppy do? Double standards anyone.
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The girl that was arrested for burning a koran goes to my daughters school, and a 14 year old lad has been arrested and bailed for making threats. This is the same school where my daughter was told by a muslim lad that when sharia law comes in she will be chained to a sink. So if burning a poppy isnt againt the law why should burning a book be against the law. The police say she is inciting racial hated so what did burning the poppy do? Double standards anyone.
ow no but if they arrest a muslim its racist, iv had enough of this sh1t, it actually makes me want to walk the middle of London and burn a koran just so i can have it out with a judge
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I have just e-mailed West muslim police will post any reply I get.
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The girl that was arrested for burning a koran goes to my daughters school, and a 14 year old lad has been arrested and bailed for making threats. This is the same school where my daughter was told by a muslim lad that when sharia law comes in she will be chained to a sink. So if burning a poppy isnt againt the law why should burning a book be against the law. The police say she is inciting racial hated so what did burning the poppy do? Double standards anyone.
Are you allowed or willing to say whereabouts in Sandwell this is?
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Nov 25 2010, 11:30 AM
So they safely guide 30 poppy burning jihads to the train station and arrest a young girl for the same crime! WTF?
Fcuking disgraceful. :X
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So when they burn our flag on the news nothing happens. Burn the poppy and get a policeman to hold there hand to the train station. But a young girl burns a book and she is seen as a threat then f*ck me I must be the next Suicide bomber cause I use that book as paper to wipe my arse with!!
Will the EDL protest outside the court as would like to be there if we did.
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Nov 25 2010, 11:30 PM
BBC Midlands news again! It showed a photo of the poppy burning and said it may of prompted her to do it!!! GIVE HER A MEDAL!!! I hope her family proud of her if this was the reason...
What he said :)
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So when they burn our flag on the news nothing happens. Burn the poppy and get a policeman to hold there hand to the train station. But a young girl burns a book and she is seen as a threat then f*ck me I must be the next Suicide bomber cause I use that book as paper to wipe my arse with!!
Will the EDL protest outside the court as would like to be there if we did.
I also think that we should find what cout she is sent to and protest out side. show her she did nothing wrong, fcuk ill even make her a medal
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This case needs more international publicity. The Americans still have freedom of expression (though for how much longer is anyone's guess). Perhaps the EDL could use its contacts with the Tea Party to organise some Koran desecration events (not necessarily burning - contact with pork products will do) outside British embassies and consulates.
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Where are we living , are we in Saudi Arabia? if not why are young British people being arrested for blasphemy? Blasphemy in the UK is disguised as a hate crime - our police enforce this law hence they are sharia law police.

A 15 year old girl has been arrested for "blasphemy" in addition to this a 14 year old boy was arrested a few days ago for allegedly "making threats" what kind of threats if any are unknown, the religious police of the UK would no doubt make the Saudi's very happy

Muslims in the UK will no doubt rejoice at this development, once more the British turn upon their own in order to garner praise from the followers of the Religion of Hate".

This despicable show od submission to Allah by our police force will no doubt be heralded as a victory for equalities and multiculturalism, in reality it demonstrates the ongoing and steady surrendering of our nations identity, principles and practices.

How long will it be until children in state schools are being taught Sharia law and shown how, and where, to cut a hand or a foot off.

Catherine Heseltine, chief executive officer of the Muslim Public Affairs Committee , said burning the Koran was one of the most offensive acts to Muslims that she could imagine.

She said: "The Koran is the most sacred thing to over a billion Muslims worldwide."

"You can see that in the way Muslims treat the Koran, washing before touching it and in many Muslim homes you will find it on the top shelf above all other books and we will never destroy the Koranic texts."

"We believe it is the word of God. God's guidance for us in this life," she added.


Really! if that is the case why does an Imam in Newcastle upon Tyne hold a "Burning a Koran Day"

The actions of the police and ultimately the so called lawmakers of this country (who are supposed to act in our interests) are beyond contempt, these young children must have been terrified and their parents stunned at the jackboot response from the police - I would wager that the police were at these children's homes very quickly. - if you have been robbed you will probably have to wait a week or more. allegedly offend Muslims and they will be there like a shot.

How sad has this land of ours become - this is truly tragic, and to give repost to the statement made by MPACUK the most offensive act a Muslim can commit against the British is being here in the UK - now that is really offensive.
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Hear hear!
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Probably going against the grain here, but i think she should get in trouble for this, I dont think anyone should ever burn a book, especially as it was only to cause distress to others.

Dont know how you can back her up to b honest, yes its like when the burned to poppys and look how angry we all are because of that.
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Probably going against the grain here, but i think she should get in trouble for this, I dont think anyone should ever burn a book, especially as it was only to cause distress to others.

Dont know how you can back her up to b honest, yes its like when the burned to poppys and look how angry we all are because of that.
Understand your point but the guys who burned the poppy's did not have their house raided and where not dragged off to the police St and arrested for what was clearly an act of hate
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Probably going against the grain here, but i think she should get in trouble for this, I dont think anyone should ever burn a book, especially as it was only to cause distress to others.

Dont know how you can back her up to b honest, yes its like when the burned to poppys and look how angry we all are because of that.
I don't accept your point.

How could you equate a young girl burning a book of hate with adults burning a symbol of peace and shouting during the 2min silence for the war dead.
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Probably going against the grain here, but i think she should get in trouble for this, I dont think anyone should ever burn a book, especially as it was only to cause distress to others.

Dont know how you can back her up to b honest, yes its like when the burned to poppys and look how angry we all are because of that.
Bubble, you really need to wobble your head about this, we're talking about a 15 year old girl here. What she did may not have the best idea she will ever have, it's the totally disproportionate response by the authorities to it that is the major problem.

Do you not see anything wrong with 30 people being allowed to insult a whole nation in public (with Police protection), whilst a teenager gets the Gestapo treatment from the very same authority. Is that what you call one law and justice for all?
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Probably going against the grain here, but i think she should get in trouble for this, I dont think anyone should ever burn a book, especially as it was only to cause distress to others.

Dont know how you can back her up to b honest, yes its like when the burned to poppys and look how angry we all are because of that.
Bubble, you really need to wobble your head about this, we're talking about a 15 year old girl here. What she did may not have the best idea she will ever have, it's the totally disproportionate response by the authorities to it that is the major problem.

Do you not see anything wrong with 30 people being allowed to insult a whole nation in public (with Police protection), whilst a teenager gets the Gestapo treatment from the very same authority. Is that what you call one law and justice for all?
Its has the beginings of a Police State.
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No my point was if we excuse her, we can not possibly feel anger about what so called muslims do to our books, our poppys and saying what they want. I dont think she should have been arrested, she is a child. However i feel she should get in trouble. You can not say they should have to leave the country for example, whilst saying "ah its alright, its only a book she distroyed"

Do you see what i mean ?
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Probably going against the grain here, but i think she should get in trouble for this, I dont think anyone should ever burn a book, especially as it was only to cause distress to others.

Dont know how you can back her up to b honest, yes its like when the burned to poppys and look how angry we all are because of that.
Understand your point but the guys who burned the poppy's did not have their house raided and where not dragged off to the police St and arrested for what was clearly an act of hate
I dont see why they didnt though. If they were protesting against us, in essence, i dread to think what they had in their homes.
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No my point was if we excuse her, we can not possibly feel anger about what so called muslims do to our books, our poppys and saying what they want. I dont think she should have been arrested, she is a child. However i feel she should get in trouble. You can not say they should have to leave the country for example, whilst saying "ah its alright, its only a book she distroyed"

Do you see what i mean ?
I agree with you in part but don't think she should've got into trouble over it, she is still a kid.
I don't agree with burning books or anything for that matter, although I did once burn a picture of Ipswich Town FC after they beat us in the race for the league title in 1981, we went on to win it so perhaps there is a lesson there somewhere
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No my point was if we excuse her, we can not possibly feel anger about what so called muslims do to our books, our poppys and saying what they want. I dont think she should have been arrested, she is a child. However i feel she should get in trouble. You can not say they should have to leave the country for example, whilst saying "ah its alright, its only a book she distroyed"

Do you see what i mean ?
I agree with you in part but don't think she should've got into trouble over it, she is still a kid.
I don't agree with burning books or anything for that matter, although I did once burn a picture of Ipswich Town FC after they beat us in the race for the league title in 1981, we went on to win it so perhaps there is a lesson there somewhere
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I think her saying sorry might have been enough, or just for it not to have been reported in the news. Or possibly a telling off from mum and dad, but will she now have a criminal record?
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No my point was if we excuse her, we can not possibly feel anger about what so called muslims do to our books, our poppys and saying what they want. I dont think she should have been arrested, she is a child. However i feel she should get in trouble. You can not say they should have to leave the country for example, whilst saying "ah its alright, its only a book she distroyed"

Do you see what i mean ?
I agree with you in part but don't think she should've got into trouble over it, she is still a kid.
I don't agree with burning books or anything for that matter, although I did once burn a picture of Ipswich Town FC after they beat us in the race for the league title in 1981, we went on to win it so perhaps there is a lesson there somewhere
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I think her saying sorry might have been enough, or just for it not to have been reported in the news. Or possibly a telling off from mum and dad, but will she now have a criminal record?
Re criminal record it will depend if she is charged or cautioned etc
She will find herself marked down as a 'domestic extremist' on police records I would think.
Let's face it, if this wasn't the religion of peace a good 'ticking off' would be the worst she could be expecting

I would also like to take this chance to apologise profusely to Ipswich Town FC for any distress caused and hope that ends the matter and that Suffolk Police don't go for a retrospective prosecution
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I don't agree with book burning, however I don't think it should be criminalised.

As a matter of showing due respect to the Koran, a bacon-rasher used as a bookmark would normally suffice.
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As an Atheist all religious books are to me as fictitious as “Winney The Pooh”. The only thing they contribute to the world is division and war, none more so than Islamic Fascism.

So if I wished to purchase any book, be it the Quran, Bible or Pooh and burn it, I will.

If this girl and/or the Gateshead six are convicted then all our freedom has been challenged.
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If this girl and/or the Gateshead six are convicted then all our freedom has been challenged.
Agreed, but again it isn't the actual burning itself they will be convicted on it is the publication of the act
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The police have time to do that but can't seem to arrest those traitors who have actually taken up arms against us!
Outlaw sharia law
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Nov 25 2010, 04:34 PM
They didn't say WHY she burnt it.

Was she a victim of a paedophile gang?

Was there another reason?

Because of the Muslims who burned the poppy.
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The girl that was arrested for burning a koran goes to my daughters school, and a 14 year old lad has been arrested and bailed for making threats. This is the same school where my daughter was told by a muslim lad that when sharia law comes in she will be chained to a sink. So if burning a poppy isnt againt the law why should burning a book be against the law. The police say she is inciting racial hated so what did burning the poppy do? Double standards anyone.
Are you allowed or willing to say whereabouts in Sandwell this is?
used to be called Menzie's has recently changed its name tho to Pheonix colligiate, how apt rising from the flames. Hahahahaha
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There is also a discussion on this at the Richard Dawkins Foundation website ;
http://richarddawkins.net/discussions/553341-so-now-we-re-arresting-children-for-basphemy
Winston Churchill on Islam ; ' The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property, either as a child, a wife, or a concubine, must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men. Individual Moslems may show splendid qualities - but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world....
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If this girl and/or the Gateshead six are convicted then all our freedom has been challenged.
Agreed, but again it isn't the actual burning itself they will be convicted on it is the publication of the act
In response: "publication of the act", surely logic would follow that preaching the Quran is therefore illegal.

We all know regardless of the selective interpretation and execution of the law by the Police that it is in fact the actual burning that is being punished.

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The girl that was arrested for burning a koran goes to my daughters school, and a 14 year old lad has been arrested and bailed for making threats. This is the same school where my daughter was told by a muslim lad that when sharia law comes in she will be chained to a sink. So if burning a poppy isnt againt the law why should burning a book be against the law. The police say she is inciting racial hated so what did burning the poppy do? Double standards anyone.
Are you allowed or willing to say whereabouts in Sandwell this is?
used to be called Menzie's has recently changed its name tho to Pheonix colligiate, how apt rising from the flames. Hahahahaha
Phoenix north is different school? They joined a wednesbury school and West Brom one.
Edited by Bandit, Nov 26 2010, 11:37 AM.
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Think its south actually.
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Think its south actually.
Yeah confusing since they joined two Schools.
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If this girl and/or the Gateshead six are convicted then all our freedom has been challenged.
Agreed, but again it isn't the actual burning itself they will be convicted on it is the publication of the act
In response: "publication of the act", surely logic would follow that preaching the Quran is therefore illegal.

We all know regardless of the selective interpretation and execution of the law by the Police that it is in fact the actual burning that is being punished.

If you walked into a police station with a carrier bag containing the charred remains of a Qu'ran, which you had burned but hadn't told anyone, and admitted to the police you had burned it, do you think the police would prosecute?
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Think its south actually.
Yeah confusing since they joined two Schools.
Tell me about dont help when you have only been here (w.mids not england) a year and they keep renaming stuff. Not so bad for the mrs she's a born and bred black country lass.
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Think its south actually.
Yeah confusing since they joined two Schools.
Tell me about dont help when you have only been here (w.mids not england) a year and they keep renaming stuff. Not so bad for the mrs she's a born and bred black country lass.
They can rename and join all they like, to the locals it will always be Manor v Menzies v Wodo etc etc.. B-)
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Bandit you must live within spitting distance from us, we live within walking distance( pffft apparently) of ikea.
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Nov 26 2010, 11:46 AM
Bandit you must live within spitting distance from us, we live within walking distance( pffft apparently) of ikea.
No comment. ;) :P
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This is near Hilltop & Stone Cross in West Bromwich?
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Nov 26 2010, 11:39 AM
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Nov 26 2010, 11:09 AM

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In response: "publication of the act", surely logic would follow that preaching the Quran is therefore illegal.

We all know regardless of the selective interpretation and execution of the law by the Police that it is in fact the actual burning that is being punished.

If you walked into a police station with a carrier bag containing the charred remains of a Qu'ran, which you had burned but hadn't told anyone, and admitted to the police you had burned it, do you think the police would prosecute?
I think the Police are at present politicized and would arrest me, they could follow your argument, "by informing them I have in effect publicised it". Also a Muslim officer would.

We are simply being politically terrorized by our own Police via selective interpretation of the law.

Please also consider recent comments by the Police “the game has changed”, with a view and because of up and coming public protests legislation will also target EDL demos.

Freedom is under attack.
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