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Navel Gazing? - Panorama - Get Writing; Don't just post thoughts on here. Write to Gove and Police
Topic Started: Nov 23 2010, 10:19 AM (371 Views)
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There are a lot of well thought out and well informed comments on this board. The BBC have given us a brilliant hook on which to hang our opinions so PLEASE can everyone write to Michael Gove at Dept of Education demending to know what he intends to do about things shown in last nights Panorama programme.
Also, to the MET and West Midlands police formally complaining about breaches of the laws on equality and incitement to hatred and ask them to investigate.

Details are:
Email: ministers@education.gsi.gov.uk
or
Rt Hon Michael Gove MP
House of Commons
London
SW1A 0AA

MET Police
https://online.met.police.uk/ for reporting hate crimes

West Midlands Police
http://www.west-midlands.police.uk/contact-us/email-us/index.asp

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Well from what I gather, they are letting Ofsted sort it out. I don't think that I heard the police mentioned once in the whole programme. This is despite the schools teaching anti Semitism, racism, religious hatred and incitement to religious violence.

Anything I forgot?
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Well it's up to us to make good those ommisions then. Here is the text of the letter I am sending to Michael Gove:
Dear Mr Gove,

BBC Panorama Programme 22nd November 2010 – Islam Rules

I found the above programme profoundly disturbing. That any school in Britain, whether as part of the mainstream curriculum or in 'special' evening/weekend schools, can be teaching such things as amputation for theft, that Jews look like pigs and monkeys and death for gay people beggars belief. To my mind this is incitement to hatred and possibly murder as well as breaching equality laws. I must also say that I found your contribution to the programme to be 'wishy-washy' and frankly, your attitude did not inspire me with any confidence that your department will take any effective steps to put a stop to this once and for all.

I would like to know:

1. Will you be requesting the police to investigate these issues with regard to breaches of the laws relating to incitement (Racial and Religious Hatred Act 2006 and Criminal Justice and Immigration Act 2008) and also to equality and diversity as I believe that they breach the Equality Act 2010.
2. What steps the government intends to take to permanently stop the teaching of these practices mentioned above in this country, whether it be in after-hours schools or in mosques.
3. To regulate after-hours clubs and part-time schools so that they cannot be used in future to teach such barbaric and medieval practices.


Your Sincerely,
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lancastrian
Nov 23 2010, 10:43 AM
Well it's up to us to make good those ommisions then. Here is the text of the letter I am sending to Michael Gove:
Dear Mr Gove,

BBC Panorama Programme 22nd November 2010 – Islam Rules

I found the above programme profoundly disturbing. That any school in Britain, whether as part of the mainstream curriculum or in 'special' evening/weekend schools, can be teaching such things as amputation for theft, that Jews look like pigs and monkeys and death for gay people beggars belief. To my mind this is incitement to hatred and possibly murder as well as breaching equality laws. I must also say that I found your contribution to the programme to be 'wishy-washy' and frankly, your attitude did not inspire me with any confidence that your department will take any effective steps to put a stop to this once and for all.

I would like to know:

1. Will you be requesting the police to investigate these issues with regard to breaches of the laws relating to incitement (Racial and Religious Hatred Act 2006 and Criminal Justice and Immigration Act 2008) and also to equality and diversity as I believe that they breach the Equality Act 2010.
2. What steps the government intends to take to permanently stop the teaching of these practices mentioned above in this country, whether it be in after-hours schools or in mosques.
3. To regulate after-hours clubs and part-time schools so that they cannot be used in future to teach such barbaric and medieval practices.


Your Sincerely,
Very good letter. ;)
Just to add to you list of addresses:

Contact Michael

At the Department for Education
If you wish to contact Michael at the Department for Education, please email him at ministers@education.gsi.gov.uk

For all other enquries
Write:
Rt Hon Michael Gove MP
House of Commons
London
SW1A 0AA
tel: 020 7219 3000
email: govem@parliament.uk

or at the Constituency office
tel: 01276 472468
email: office@shca.org.uk
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Thanks for the compliment. Now I hope they get plenty more
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Fantastic letter! Consider it posted :D
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Nov 23 2010, 10:32 AM
Well from what I gather, they are letting Ofsted sort it out. I don't think that I heard the police mentioned once in the whole programme. This is despite the schools teaching anti Semitism, racism, religious hatred and incitement to religious violence.

Anything I forgot?
i thought it said they have thier own private ofstead like group who police them.
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Scott_Lee
Nov 23 2010, 10:32 AM
Well from what I gather, they are letting Ofsted sort it out. I don't think that I heard the police mentioned once in the whole programme. This is despite the schools teaching anti Semitism, racism, religious hatred and incitement to religious violence.

Anything I forgot?
Jeez can you imagine what would happen if they were non-muslim schools teaching this hatred? The teachers would be raided with armed police!

One law for them and one for us! ^o)
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Nov 23 2010, 12:11 PM
Scott_Lee
Nov 23 2010, 10:32 AM
Well from what I gather, they are letting Ofsted sort it out. I don't think that I heard the police mentioned once in the whole programme. This is despite the schools teaching anti Semitism, racism, religious hatred and incitement to religious violence.

Anything I forgot?
i thought it said they have thier own private ofstead like group who police them.
Ofsted aren't gonna do jack, as I posted in a thread yesterday one of the local muzzie schools bearly got a satisfactory from Ofsted, with lots of damning recomendations for them to make.

The point being................One of the Ofsted inspectors involved is actually one of the senior trustees of the school. Another trustee has attended (may still attend) hamas meetings.
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Forumites could also write to the papers, many of them seem to be running the story with comments at the bottom, here is one to start off with, I'll try and find some more over the next few minutes ;
http://www.politics.co.uk/news/education/uk-s-anti-semitic-saudi-schools-to-be-probed-$21385741.htm

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/article-23899716-anti-semitic-textbook-used-in-muslim-weekend-schools.do

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1331789/Sharia-lessons-pupils-aged-BBC-uncovers-weekend-schools.html
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Winston Churchill on Islam ; ' The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property, either as a child, a wife, or a concubine, must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men. Individual Moslems may show splendid qualities - but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world....
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Nov 23 2010, 12:47 PM
One of the Ofsted inspectors involved is actually one of the senior trustees of the school. Another trustee has attended (may still attend) hamas meetings.
Well that's a conflict of interest if ever I saw one. :blink:

What troubles me is how can they eradicate Anti-Semitism, racism, homophobia, religious hatred and incitement to murder from all of these schools and still allow them to teach from the qur'an or allow children to have access to it.

Surely if they ban the text books then they have to ban the qur'an as this provided the teachings for these text books in the first place.
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I've used your letter as a draft to send a queery to West Midlands police. I doubt if they'll do anything to investigate, but here's hoping:

I'm writing with regards to the BBC Panorama Programme 22nd November 2010 – "Islam Rules".

I'm sure you'll be inundated with similar enquiries following last nights disturbing revelations, but can you please confirm that you, West Midlands Police, will be investigating the clear breaches of laws relating to incitement (Racial and Religious Hatred Act 2006 and Criminal Justice and Immigration Act 2008)? Also with regards to equality and diversity I believe the Equality Act 2010.

What steps will the police be taking to investigate and stop the teaching of this discriminatory, hateful and inciteful lessons to the British children in the above mentioned programme?

I look forward to your response.
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I've used your letter as a draft to send a queery to West Midlands police. I doubt if they'll do anything to investigate, but here's hoping:

I'm writing with regards to the BBC Panorama Programme 22nd November 2010 – "Islam Rules".

I'm sure you'll be inundated with similar enquiries following last nights disturbing revelations, but can you please confirm that you, West Midlands Police, will be investigating the clear breaches of laws relating to incitement (Racial and Religious Hatred Act 2006 and Criminal Justice and Immigration Act 2008)? Also with regards to equality and diversity I believe the Equality Act 2010.

What steps will the police be taking to investigate and stop the teaching of this discriminatory, hateful and inciteful lessons to the British children in the above mentioned programme?

I look forward to your response.


Thank you for taking the time to write. I sent something in a similar vein to both WMP and the MET. The MET have just referred me to the BBC or OfWatch. I know e're in a time of cuts but I didn't know either of those organisations had started doing criminal investigations! :)

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Some great examples here guys, Im gunna get writing to, strength in numbers as they say.
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Quck update: The MET have suggested that I take my complaint to the BBC/Ofwatch! I have corrected their misapprehension that I am complaining about the BBC and await further developments.
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Nov 24 2010, 09:21 AM
Quck update: The MET have suggested that I take my complaint to the BBC/Ofwatch! I have corrected their misapprehension that I am complaining about the BBC and await further developments.
Well your complaint was quite specific and there has definitely been a crime committed here, several in fact!

So police are deliberately refusing to do their duty and deal with these crimes because there are muslims involved? Now there's a surprise! :ermm:

I'll just give an example of the other end of the racial divide but before I do I must state that I in no way support nor endorse what Gareth Hemingway did nor do I subscribe to any of his beliefs and my referencing is for information purposes only!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bradford-west-yorkshire-11761181

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A man has been jailed for 15 months for uploading racist video clips on to YouTube.

Gareth Hemingway, 29, of Bognor Regis, earlier pleaded guilty to five offences under the Public Order Act at Leeds Crown Court.

The clips called for a "racial holy war" and were designed to provoke violence against ethnic minorities, particularly in Dewsbury.


But on the opposite side of the scale the qur'an calls for the same and hatred and violence is preached in its name but this is not a crime? :blink:

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Mr Laidlaw added: "Freedom of speech carries with it responsibilities.

"Publishing something that is abusive and insulting and that is likely to stir racial hatred is against the law and the CPS will work with the police to prosecute robustly anyone who does so."


There you go! I bet the CPS are on it as we speak and are preparing to bring prosecutions for all those who made or distributed these blatantly racist and hate filled text books. ^o)
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Nov 23 2010, 10:43 AM
Well it's up to us to make good those ommisions then. Here is the text of the letter I am sending to Michael Gove:
Dear Mr Gove,

BBC Panorama Programme 22nd November 2010 – Islam Rules

I found the above programme profoundly disturbing. That any school in Britain, whether as part of the mainstream curriculum or in 'special' evening/weekend schools, can be teaching such things as amputation for theft, that Jews look like pigs and monkeys and death for gay people beggars belief. To my mind this is incitement to hatred and possibly murder as well as breaching equality laws. I must also say that I found your contribution to the programme to be 'wishy-washy' and frankly, your attitude did not inspire me with any confidence that your department will take any effective steps to put a stop to this once and for all.

I would like to know:

1. Will you be requesting the police to investigate these issues with regard to breaches of the laws relating to incitement (Racial and Religious Hatred Act 2006 and Criminal Justice and Immigration Act 2008) and also to equality and diversity as I believe that they breach the Equality Act 2010.
2. What steps the government intends to take to permanently stop the teaching of these practices mentioned above in this country, whether it be in after-hours schools or in mosques.
3. To regulate after-hours clubs and part-time schools so that they cannot be used in future to teach such barbaric and medieval practices.


Your Sincerely,
Hi Lancastrian... brilliant letter... straight and to the point. Much better
than I could have written, fair play to you. You're right it is all very disturbing
and how the hell they get away with it , beats me. These kids have no chance
with integration with all the BS they are being fed. Say's a lot for the parents too.
They must know what their kids are being taught or are they brainwashed themselves?
Silly question really.
Please Keep us informed re: the reply.
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Having watched the Panorama program about part time Islamic schools showing that they are using books that encourage hatred towards the Jewish people and encourage the execution of gay men, but it does not stop there they go on to promote the amputation of hands and feet with diagrams of the correct procedure to follow.
A reply stating that you are aware of the problem will not be good enough, we need to know what action you intend to take and how soon you intend to implement action on this subject.
Waiting for a report will not be an acceptable answer

Tobias Malachi
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Nov 23 2010, 10:43 AM
Well it's up to us to make good those ommisions then. Here is the text of the letter I am sending to Michael Gove:
Dear Mr Gove,

BBC Panorama Programme 22nd November 2010 – Islam Rules

I found the above programme profoundly disturbing. That any school in Britain, whether as part of the mainstream curriculum or in 'special' evening/weekend schools, can be teaching such things as amputation for theft, that Jews look like pigs and monkeys and death for gay people beggars belief. To my mind this is incitement to hatred and possibly murder as well as breaching equality laws. I must also say that I found your contribution to the programme to be 'wishy-washy' and frankly, your attitude did not inspire me with any confidence that your department will take any effective steps to put a stop to this once and for all.

I would like to know:

1. Will you be requesting the police to investigate these issues with regard to breaches of the laws relating to incitement (Racial and Religious Hatred Act 2006 and Criminal Justice and Immigration Act 2008) and also to equality and diversity as I believe that they breach the Equality Act 2010.
2. What steps the government intends to take to permanently stop the teaching of these practices mentioned above in this country, whether it be in after-hours schools or in mosques.
3. To regulate after-hours clubs and part-time schools so that they cannot be used in future to teach such barbaric and medieval practices.


Your Sincerely,
Hi Lancastrian... brilliant letter... straight and to the point. Much better
than I could have written, fair play to you. You're right it is all very disturbing
and how the hell they get away with it , beats me. These kids have no chance
with integration with all the BS they are being fed. Say's a lot for the parents too.
They must know what their kids are being taught or are they brainwashed themselves?
Silly question really.
Please Keep us informed re: the reply.
Will certainly keep you updated. Score so far:

Dept of Education: No reply
MET Police: tried to say I neede to contact BBC or OfWatch. No reply to my follow=up
WMP: Acknowledged receipt
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