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Why Does'nt The Edl Have A Muslim Division; From a question on facebook
Topic Started: Nov 22 2010, 11:51 AM (607 Views)
tobias malachi
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The MDL on facebook has raised the question. Why does the EDL not have a Muslim division? The answer is we would love one. Any decent Muslim who wants to make a stand against the islamist extremist that infest islam are welcome. Some have already found a home with us but not enough to form a division For obvious reasons our Muslim members have to be very careful about their personel security because of a very real danger of retribusion from islamist bullies.

As I do not have or wish to have a facebook account I would not have no objection to any one posting this on the mdl wall
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good post m8, I think if anything i scared of been disowned by their own families!
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we DO have a couple of muslims who come with us , but you cant expect them to advertise the fact due to family tensions
as we have always said, all welcome here . WE have no ideaology .
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For a muslim to become a fully fledged member of the EDL they would have to turn their back on islam, IE become an apostate.

As has been stated many times, it is the qur'an and its teachings that are the real issues and until muslims start to realise that their divisive cult is very much a part of the problem then they will never be a part of the solution.
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Nov 22 2010, 11:52 AM
good post m8, I think if anything i scared of been disowned by their own families!
Disowned? More like executed by there own families!

Thats just how they roll...




Personally I would love to see an EDL Muslim division. It would be far too dangerous for any Muslim to be a member. They would be seen as an apostite and thus subject to death.
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Hi avfc You are apsolutly spot on people do not realise what a Muslim stands to loose if he speaks out against the crimes commited in the name of islam, it is not just the threat of physical violence even death but also the loss of their immediate and extended family that is why I used the term found a home with the EDL, if you encourage Muslims to make a stand you have to offer them a place that they can call home
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TBH looking at our history of anti-Islamic activity and media scaremongering, I doubt many Muslims would want to join tbh. That's the truth...

It's like a turkey voting for Christmas...
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I think to join the EDL they would have to reject certain parts of the Koran but because they believe this to be the direct word of 'GOD' that will never happen. Also they would have to condemn their 'prophet' Mohamed for his peadophilic behaviour and many other crimes and again it is highly doubtful any Muslim would ever do this.
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Nov 22 2010, 11:58 AM
For a muslim to become a fully fledged member of the EDL they would have to turn their back on islam, IE become an apostate.

As has been stated many times, it is the qur'an and its teachings that are the real issues and until muslims start to realise that their divisive cult is very much a part of the problem then they will never be a part of the solution.
I don't agree with you. A literal reading of the Koran and Haddith can only lead to evil, but the same applies to a lesser degree to the Bible and Torah. A much greater percentage of Muslims take a hardline literal view of their scripture than Christians take a hardline literal view of the Bible it is true, but that doesn't mean there aren't Muslims who can live in harmony within the West adhering to a moderate form of Islam.

The moderate form of Islam I've come across is the Sunni Barelvi (Sufi) movement, which is probably the majority of Muslims in the UK. Hardliners, like the Salafis/Wahhabis from Saudi, call them "cultural muslims" (false muslims, traitors to islam), but in fact they just have a more spiritual non-literal interpretation of their scripture in the same way as mainstream Christians have of the Bible. However, these moderates are being overrun by their children who are being indoctrinated by the millions of petro dollars Saudi is pouring into these Islamic schools/websites/smuggled dvd sermons.

Here's a quote from the Mail Comments section from a Muslim:
"The older muslim community dont listen to us the UK bred and born muslims, we ask for teachers who are graduated from British Islamic Darul Ulooms so that they teach us in English and from our traditional Islamic point of view but no, there are some of our elders who want to be taught in their home language, by foreigners who we dont identify with nor understand their cultured ways. I grew up in an almost white town, most of my friends from Childhood are christian, I cover up and pray 5 times a day but that doesnt mean I want foreign idiots telling me I have to follow the Saudi's Wahhabi ways of life.
It is a Fundamental in Islam that anyone wishing to harm others must be stopped otherwise its a major sin, I wish the non muslim media would give traditional orthodox muslims some airtime so we can recover our children before its too late..too many right wingers have fooled them into thinking were victimising them"

There is a fight amongst British Muslims going on quietly, between the Sufis and other moderates and the Wahhabis/Salafis.

I may have details slightly wrong but after over a year of studying this full time these are the main conclusions I've reached. IMHO if you can get moderate Muslims to join you in sufficient numbers you'll win, but I know my opinion differs from many on here.
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I agree mate but listening to some Muslims speaking on the media we are in agreement on several things it is only the lies told about us such as the EDL are going to attack you and burn down your mosque a complete and utter lie but enough to cause local muslims to attack the EDL demo and cause a near riot. The blame for which does not fall on the shoulders of either the EDL or Muslims. The blame falls squarely on the uaf who spread the rumor I suppose if there had been a couple of deaths either EDL of Muslim it would have been the icing on the cake for the EDL. It is the actions of groups like the uaf that are causing the gulf between ordinary muslims and the EDL
I have also heard muslims complain of older teachers having no knowledge of the west speaking in a foriegn language on subjects of which they have no knowledge, trying to inflict teachings that bear no relevence to modern life.
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Sorry to disagree with you guys, but you CANNOT trust a muslim. It's as simple as that. They are instructed to lie to kaffurs, they are instructed NOT to take kaffurs as friends, they are instructed to deceive the kaffurs. Whilst they live in what is known as 'dar-al-harb' they are AT WAR with us, and will LIE in order to protect themselves. You show me how we tell a 'non-violent' muslim from a violent one. YOU CAN'T. They ALL pretend to be normal until they 'go off'.
What you forget Tread, is that there is NO SUCH THING as a 'moderate' muslim, only those who follow their instructions, and those who don't. APOSTATE division, yes. MUSLIM division, well, just don't expect me to EVER trust a single one of them. Read the koran. Understand abrogation.
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Interesting reply Tread Softly & to all points, its all literally numbers in all forms that will sway it either way & detrermine the outcome; complicates matters though.
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I tend to agree with Puck. A moderate muslim is an apostate if you can see what that means?
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Has the MDL got ANY divisions???
Have they got a Jewish one?
They don't like it up 'em.
Don't tell them your name Pike.
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Nov 22 2010, 12:40 PM
Has the MDL got ANY divisions???
Have they got a Jewish one?
Top point, we should ask them.
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Nov 22 2010, 12:30 PM
Sorry to disagree with you guys, but you CANNOT trust a muslim. It's as simple as that. They are instructed to lie to kaffurs, they are instructed NOT to take kaffurs as friends, they are instructed to deceive the kaffurs. Whilst they live in what is known as 'dar-al-harb' they are AT WAR with us, and will LIE in order to protect themselves. You show me how we tell a 'non-violent' muslim from a violent one. YOU CAN'T. They ALL pretend to be normal until they 'go off'.
What you forget Tread, is that there is NO SUCH THING as a 'moderate' muslim, only those who follow their instructions, and those who don't. APOSTATE division, yes. MUSLIM division, well, just don't expect me to EVER trust a single one of them. Read the koran. Understand abrogation.
What he said.
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Nov 22 2010, 12:43 PM
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Nov 22 2010, 12:40 PM
Has the MDL got ANY divisions???
Have they got a Jewish one?
Top point, we should ask them.
MDL Divisions: Muslims or Dhimmis. The only other choice is dead.

Jewish Division (laughing) yes they do, it's call the British Board of Deputies and the Union of Jewish Students.
Brian of London has been actively occupying a very small slice of hideously over-occupied Tel Aviv since early 2009.


Islam is a giant bungee cord tying it's adherents to the 7th century.
They can pull themselves almost to the twenty first century but eventually the cord tightens and flings them back.
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I believe that it is possable for a Muslim to leave islam the idiology but remain faithful to Allah the deity. eg A Roman Catholic disagrees with the teachings of the Pope and leaves the Roman Catholic Church. Does that mean they stop being a Christian? No they continue to kneel before and whorship God
Brian you sound a very bitter man but I tend to agree
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From what I've read, lying about your faith is acceptable?
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Quran/011-taqiyya.htm
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Tricky one - and theres been some great comments about this. As much as I think a " Muslim division" would be great for the EDL , It would be so difficult to trust any members IMO. Perhaps its just me being paranoid , but it could open up a massive can of worms. Surely , any " muslim Supporters" that really do wish to stand with us and have the right motives for doing so could do so " anonymously" with their local divisions. This thread has got me thinking big time ( and thinkings difficult for me being blonde !! )
EDL = United by friendship regardless of race or colour.

We may not see or speak to each other as much as we should , and we won't always agree on everything, but we WILL always pull together through thick and thin BECAUSE WE ARE FAMILY.
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Bukhari (52:260) - "...The Prophet said, 'If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him.' "

That's why they daren't leave or reject Islam wether they fully agree with it or not, they are given no choice
and from this day forward, as we have right from the start, come wind and rain, we won't complain, we'll continue to march. We'll be there in our numbers, We'll make our voices heard, to defend our land from hate preachers, counter there every word. demo days and meet and greets, serious but fun, and at the end of everything, with victory over scum, you'll here us cheers, OI get us a beer, our hard work here is done.


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It would be called the Apostate division
They don't like it up 'em.
Don't tell them your name Pike.
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Yes they could call themselves the Apostate division. And wear a target on their backs? such an action could only be done by brave but wreckless people. I think the word desperate would describe them, desperate to escape a idiology that enslaves them
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The word "division" is a difficult one. Why not welcome them if they wish to join and just allow them to be plain EDL. Might send a (small) message?
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Nov 22 2010, 12:30 PM
Sorry to disagree with you guys, but you CANNOT trust a muslim. It's as simple as that. They are instructed to lie to kaffurs, they are instructed NOT to take kaffurs as friends, they are instructed to deceive the kaffurs. Whilst they live in what is known as 'dar-al-harb' they are AT WAR with us, and will LIE in order to protect themselves. You show me how we tell a 'non-violent' muslim from a violent one. YOU CAN'T. They ALL pretend to be normal until they 'go off'.
What you forget Tread, is that there is NO SUCH THING as a 'moderate' muslim, only those who follow their instructions, and those who don't. APOSTATE division, yes. MUSLIM division, well, just don't expect me to EVER trust a single one of them. Read the koran. Understand abrogation.
Exactly what Puck said.
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Nov 22 2010, 12:30 PM
Sorry to disagree with you guys, but you CANNOT trust a muslim. It's as simple as that. They are instructed to lie to kaffurs, they are instructed NOT to take kaffurs as friends, they are instructed to deceive the kaffurs. Whilst they live in what is known as 'dar-al-harb' they are AT WAR with us, and will LIE in order to protect themselves. You show me how we tell a 'non-violent' muslim from a violent one. YOU CAN'T. They ALL pretend to be normal until they 'go off'.
What you forget Tread, is that there is NO SUCH THING as a 'moderate' muslim, only those who follow their instructions, and those who don't. APOSTATE division, yes. MUSLIM division, well, just don't expect me to EVER trust a single one of them. Read the koran. Understand abrogation.
and they call us racists
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Personally, I'll not be happy until every Muslim has either left the religion of the Devil, or left Britain and Europe.

So to answer your question, NO! i don't want to see a Muslim division at all. The religion of Islam is alien to our culture and way of life and will never integrate, only dominate, given time it will exterminate all differant beliefs.
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Not enough to make a division.
If it wasn't for the leftist UAF spreading lies about us, we might just have one.
Keep in mind the MDL have been posting Anti semite, homophobic, and racist stuff on their facebook page.
One comment was from the guy who runs the facebook site.
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Personally, I'll not be happy until every Muslim has either left the religion of the Devil, or left Britain and Europe.

So to answer your question, NO! i don't want to see a Muslim division at all. The religion of Islam is alien to our culture and way of life and will never integrate, only dominate, given time it will exterminate all differant beliefs.
Agree with ya there Mostonian,an a fellow manc as well.
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Nov 22 2010, 01:25 PM
Yes they could call themselves the Apostate division. And wear a target on their backs? such an action could only be done by brave but wreckless people. I think the word desperate would describe them, desperate to escape a idiology that enslaves them
There is already the Council of Ex-Muslims. They are Apostates. [They are already "targets" - except for the fact they are so insignificant that islam, currently, completely ignores them.]

Like the British Muslims for Secular Democracy, and One Law for All, EDL has reached out to them.

The all said "fcuk off".

So, unfortunately, I think that is all we can say in return.
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i wouldn't want 1. they can be regular edl
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[linky] Daily Mail article following up from Panorama program {linky]

Some Muslims are fighting back against Salafism/Wahhabism. Pertinent to my previous post. Not all Muslims are the same.
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[linky] Daily Mail article following up from Panorama program {linky]

Some Muslims are fighting back against Salafism/Wahhabism. Pertinent to my previous post. Not all Muslims are the same.
Agreed & of course no one is the same whatever & wherever they come from; but its all about numbers & there is not much noise coming from the Muslim (in general) Disco that is in direct opposition to the fanatics.
They care more (globally) about a cartoon than their brothers & sisters dying in Darfur, its tragic mate!
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''Dr Hargey is imam of the Oxford Islamic Congregation and chairman of the Muslim Educational Centre of Oxford.''
Say no more, the article was from a so-called 'moderate', and therefore meaningless. There is a healf-hearted attempt to justify the 'softer' approach to Global conquest favoured by the muslim brotherhood, rather than the violent wahabbism, it matters not in the least, for they SING FROM THE SAME SONGBOOK. The koran is what determines islam, backed by the sunnah. What ONE 'westernised' muslim may wish us to believe about islam, and the 'truth' as revealed in the koran and sunnah, are two completely different things. The imam made no mention of abrogation, or the fact that the SAUDI version is closer to the reality as described in the koran and sunnah. Read them for yourself Tread, rather than accepting the honeyed words of A MUSLIM, telling you what his own version of 'truth' is.
There is a divide amongst islamists, many favour what Robert Spencer calls the 'stealth jihad', and strongly disapprove of the more violent tactics, as they draw attention to their own goals. Read the 'Project', the muslim brotherhoods' plan for GLOBAL domination, and you will understand a little better. Just reproducing islamist propaganda makes you look ill-informed, sorry :/
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there are muslims who support us, as it's been said on here they can't really advertise it though. I mean they would probably be at more of a risk than us from violence etc, they'd be seen as traitors.

Plus, a lot of muslims wouldn't stand with us because of our Israel support.
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a lot of muslims wouldn't stand with us because of our Israel support.
That's actually part of the problem. Many British-born muslims identify with their "brothers in islam" (be they in Somali, Yemen, Palestine, Pakistan, Afghanistan, etc) rather than their "brothers in nation", their fellow Brits.

That muslims would NOT join the EDL, when the EDL has done nothing to muslims in the middle east, is itself part of the problem.
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puck, i'm not ill-informed, or accepting honeyed words. I've read 5 different translations of the Koran and most of the Haddith and have done much serious research into understanding them and Muslim society and attitudes. I fully understand abrogation and indeed the role it plays in fracturing the Muslim world into a thousand pieces. In particular, I know that when Dr Taj Hargey says of Wahhabism "it has no real basis in the teaching of the Koran and is little more than ­primitive tribal code" I know he's talking bollocks.

I know the Koran and Haddith to be sources of utter evil. We can say we agree that Islam is evil. But now we have some choices. We could say, fcuk it, Islam is evil so all Muslims are evil and therefore we need to get rid of every single one of them. That's an easy choice. Or we could say, Islam is evil, some Muslims are evil, but there are some Muslims who haven't got a clue about their religion and are good people, or who do have a clue and draw what goodness they can from their religion to lead good lives. Another way of looking at it, you can say "get rid of them all" or "help them achieve their renaissance".

I'm not denying there isn't a serious problem. I'm close to dedicating the rest of my working life to combat Salafism/Wahhabism and similar strains.
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a lot of muslims wouldn't stand with us because of our Israel support.
That's actually part of the problem. Many British-born muslims identify with their "brothers in islam" (be they in Somali, Yemen, Palestine, Pakistan, Afghanistan, etc) rather than their "brothers in nation", their fellow Brits.

That muslims would NOT join the EDL, when the EDL has done nothing to muslims in the middle east, is itself part of the problem.
I concur :) It doesn't matter which country they are in, muslims will always feel an affinity with other muslims, so they will NEVER accept our support for Israel.
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I know the Koran and Haddith to be sources of utter evil. We can say we agree that Islam is evil. But now we have some choices. We could say, fcuk it, Islam is evil so all Muslims are evil and therefore we need to get rid of every single one of them. That's an easy choice. Or we could say, Islam is evil, some Muslims are evil, but there are some Muslims who haven't got a clue about their religion and are good people, or who do have a clue and draw what goodness they can from their religion to lead good lives. Another way of looking at it, you can say "get rid of them all" or "help them achieve their renaissance".
But there in lies the problem. Whether there are good or bad muslims is neither here nor there because there will always be the qur'an and the hadith and they are inherently evil in many ways.

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I disagree. History has proven that these extremist animals cannot be domesticated or civilised and we are wasting our time thinking that we can reach out to or reason with them because look where it has got us and so many more before us! History is the benchmark here.

They will never trust us, they will never like us and they will never fully integrate with us purely and simply because of what is in the their 'holy' book and scriptures, which have been drummed into them from a very early age.

We have to focus on the worst parts of this vile cult and expose it for all to see because if we don't and we continue to try and appease it we are doomed! If the so-called 'moderates' want to get their own house in order then good luck to them. However, I can't see this ever happening in mine or many more lifetimes.
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