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| A message to the hypocrites; Catholics vs Protestants vs Muslims | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Nov 8 2010, 07:19 AM (1,126 Views) | |
| jbmnyc | Nov 8 2010, 07:19 AM Post #1 |
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I posted a few comments about the whole Celtic FC thing and quite frankly as an American, I really don't understand the whole religious rivalry. The more I think about it the more it pisses me off. For countless years, it's all been about Catholics this and Protestant that and yet the whole point from what I understand about the EDL is the realization and protection of the UK from the threat of Islam. And yet, plenty people here still want to fight for what seems to me as a indifference in Christianity. Let me make one thing clear. Religion kills people. We've all seen it in one way or another. I'm haunted to this day by a woman I was supposed to marry who worked at Windows on the World on 9/11. I was right in front of Tower 1 when the last words she said to me was "If you love me you'll save me". When the first tower collapsed, I dug myself out underneath a parked van and tripped on a leg. That's as much as I care to discuss about that day, but I say to all of you, enough of your own religious call to arms. So what of a FC?? We've got a bigger problem. We all believe in a free country that we will fight and die for. And there are those who will take away all of our liberties and freedoms and kill all those who don't recognize Islam. Here's to being proud to be British Here's to being proud to be American When in Rome my friends...when in Rome |
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| Deleted User | Nov 8 2010, 07:58 AM Post #2 |
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Well said!! Sometimes it takes a story like yours to put things in to perspective. |
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| Deleted User | Nov 8 2010, 08:17 AM Post #3 |
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Well said.
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| Deleted User | Nov 8 2010, 08:20 AM Post #4 |
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Good post jbmnyc |
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| Deleted User | Nov 8 2010, 08:22 AM Post #5 |
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Well said, very well said but I fear it will fall on deaf ears. This supposed conflict between factions only exists for a minority of people, but exist it does and it is the only thing in the lives of these people. . . well apart from booze usually. There is only one way it will start to die out, that is through the reunification of Ireland. Now stand back . . . . |
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| Capt Haddock | Nov 8 2010, 08:41 AM Post #6 |
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OP, see your point. However they see 'their war' as the first and foremost event in the world today, and they've been at it for centuries, no easy answer I'm afraid. You rightly point out that religion has been on the war path forever, and it ain't going to stop anytime soon. If anything, because of all the technology man has available today, the carnage is only going to get worse. The sorry episode of the twin towers is a prime example of what dickheads can do with an ordinary piece of kit. There is no easy solution, people who believe in barbaric ideology and are willing to sacrifice their pathetic lives to achieve their warped goals for some space fairy, are sadly in the ascendancy. If we’re not careful, religion, the very thing invented to guide and instruct mankind, will kill us all. Anumber: Quote: There is only one way it will start to die out, that is through the reunification of Ireland. This mate I feel will never happen, simply because certain people will not let it, or want it to happen. Edited by Capt Haddock, Nov 8 2010, 10:40 AM.
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| jbmnyc | Nov 8 2010, 08:57 AM Post #7 |
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I Wanted to keep this to myself but every EDL Member needs to read this: I was working for a tech company. We were putting together a breakfast at Windows on the World, along with a few partners. I met my girlfriend at the time a few years back. I was a former sous chef at a top restaurant in NYC who left the culinary world to play in goth band and handle sales for a copier company by day and she pursued her love of the pastry arts. September 11th was supposed to be the an incredible breakfast meeting. Due to a hangover (and I stress about this to this day) I ran late. I called my GF and informed her, and she told me that all was taken care of, there was a fresh round of sconces waiting. I was a block away as the first plane hit. Debris pelted everything. That’s when I got the first phone call.: “What the hell just happened”? I have absolutely no idea, I have no idea as how to comprehend this. I stood from where the police wrapped us off, they kept telling us to get back. Most of them did, I did not and the second plane hit. The only call of my cell phone was the last for two days. It was her saying that people were jumping out of the windows. She was hysterical. Her last words were “If you love me you’ll save me”. That is something that will haunt me for the rest of my life. At that point tower 2 collapsed and while we were all running I ducked to a corner on Liberty St. underneath a parked van. When it seemed clear, I started to dig myself out of the rubble and realized that there was something blocking my exit. After more digging, I discovered it was a human leg. It was at that point that I pictured every homeless Vietnam war veteran that I’ve seen screaming on street corners that “You weren’t there mannnnnnn” in a crazy Dennis Hopper voice that I realized yes I was there. I walked 50 blocks, covered in ash, in a daze, up the FDR to my apartment and collapsed in the arms of my doorman. He carried me upstairs to my apartment where I poured myself a tall glass of scotch and sat on my couch, completely numb. At about 2:00AM, the news was reporting that the PATH (the trains from NYC to NJ) was running. Sitting alone, and in shock, I decided I needed to get out of NYC and just get to family in NJ. Unfortunately, there were no cabs that night. Just armored hummers with some really big guns. So taxi cabs were out of the question, so back to walking 30 plus blocks. I took the PATH train from NYC to Hoboken. On the way I stopped to pick up a bottle of water. The only person next to me on the train was a guy in scrubs, covered in blood and ash. I gave him my water and he poured it all over his face and thanked me. As the train finally arrived at Hoboken I was incredibly freaked out at the quietness of the whole thing. If you know the Hoboken PATH you know that’s usually packed. I walked up the stairs to the main area (outside was the diner) and saw my breaking point. In what would be the general area to the right of the outside were 2 people clearly exhausted in medical scrubs just sitting in metal chairs. Behind them were multiple garbage bags, each one with a label: Hands Legs Feet Torsos At that point I lost it. I cried. I cried like I never have before, screaming. A New Jersey State Trooper heard me. Although the entire NJ Parkway was closed he drove me home to my family. I slept for 5 straight days and consumed multiple bottles of stoli RELIGION KILLS!!! |
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| Deleted User | Nov 8 2010, 09:19 AM Post #8 |
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jbmnyc, your candour is appreciated and will hopefully shake some people to reality. Extreme situations and circumstances such as you experienced either kill us or make us stronger, never let it break you, but never ever forget. PJS : I hope you aren't right, because we cannot as a people carry on like this forever. There is a reality to the situation that is unavoidable, and without saying what it is to avoid apoplectic accusations of all kinds of heinous criminality it has to be faced one day. |
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| jbmnyc | Nov 8 2010, 09:27 AM Post #9 |
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I'll never forget. But when I hear about people getting panties in a bundle about a FC, sorry kids there's a whole lot of life worth fighting for. |
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| infidel 9755 | Nov 8 2010, 09:29 AM Post #10 |
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well said mate
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'islam should get what ever it demands, all criticism of it is racism' -Pat Condell Dont bite the hand that feeds you, it may punch you in the face. | |
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| jbmnyc | Nov 8 2010, 09:42 AM Post #11 |
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sorry kids, I've seen things here about "Let's fight Provo's" or Fu!@$ Celtic FC about a Poppy. Christ, live what I did, or ask a someone who just came back from fighting and you know what? None of us care. Support all of our troops. That's all that matters, and make sure to buy them a pint when they come home. |
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| Deleted User | Nov 8 2010, 09:57 AM Post #12 |
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people over have been killed and bombed for decades on our own soil by the ira ,that 'THAT GREEN BRIGADE SECTION' of celtic support. theyre planning a new mainland campaign. thousands of innocent people have died. its a bit more that 'AN FC THING' like you say...you dont understand it. and who's hypocrites? and btw its not an irish OR catholic thing! ive got GREAT mates who live in dublin whove lived there all their lives. some of the best people ive had the good fortune to meet. it tit's me right off when people spout off things they know nothing about. |
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| RDG | Nov 8 2010, 10:05 AM Post #13 |
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Indeed, an horrific story about an horrific experience carried out by horrific people. A story that was repeated in London, Madrid, Bali, Mumbi and many other places that were attacked by individuals who glory in murder, but STILL the western world allows these people to, almost, freely go about their business under the "protection" of the politically correct. Would the world be at peace if there was no such thing as a religion? I wonder. |
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| tobias malachi | Nov 8 2010, 10:12 AM Post #14 |
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Thanks for shareing I was just looking out at the rain and thinking of not going to London to support the Irarki Christians, I guess I shall put on some waterproofs and head for the train. I call myself a Christian as it is easier for people to understand but in reallity I am just one of Gods people who follows the teachings of Jesus and to hell with the dogmer |
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| Deleted User | Nov 8 2010, 10:12 AM Post #15 |
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RDG.......Would the world be at peace if there was no such thing as a religion? I wonder. that was the last line in your post. now since when has ISLAMISM been a religion? i thought it was a political thing.so would it be better to say the world would be better off without politics?..................just a thought. keep the faith paxi
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| Gorgie | Nov 8 2010, 10:12 AM Post #16 |
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The IRA are just like Al Queda. Both terrorist groups. United Ireland? Yeh let's just give into terrorism. While we're at it let's give East London away to Bangladesh. |
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"One ought never to turn one's back on a threatened danger and try to run away from it. If you do that, you will double the danger. But if you meet it promptly and without flinching, you will reduce the danger by half. Never run away from anything. Never!" "You have enemies? Good. That means you've stood up for something, sometime in your life." Winston Churchill | |
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| jbmnyc | Nov 8 2010, 10:15 AM Post #17 |
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I never said it was a "Irish or Catholic" especially as a recovering Catholic from an all boys Catholic school from a Irish and Italian family. What I was saying that all of us who would recognize nation first versus radicalness. You're an ignorant dolt . |
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| Deleted User | Nov 8 2010, 10:15 AM Post #18 |
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the op says it all 'I REALLY DONT UNDERSTAND IT'. the yanks have never been attacked on their own soil until 9/11, we've lived with it for decades. anyone whos in their 40's now has had it most of their life over here. the word 'HYPOCRITES' really fukd me off. |
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| lan-astaslem | Nov 8 2010, 10:17 AM Post #19 |
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It is not just a football thing, it is the politics, behind these people, they support the IRA who have very strong linx to Hamas. Or to put it quite bluntly they would side with the people who toppled the towers Edited by lan-astaslem, Nov 8 2010, 10:23 AM.
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“One day, millions of men will leave the Southern Hemisphere to go to the Northern Hemisphere. And they will not go there as friends. Because they will go there to conquer it. And they will conquer it with their sons. The wombs of our women will give us victory.” – Houari (Mohamed) Boumedienne, President of Algeria, 1965 – 1978, in a 1974 speech at the UN
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| jbmnyc | Nov 8 2010, 10:21 AM Post #20 |
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fcuk off, all of you. This is the first time that I decided to share my story, Get bent, and sorry for for all of you. Bend of over for Islam. |
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| RDG | Nov 8 2010, 10:22 AM Post #21 |
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I did not mention islam as a religion and i,m as aware as you that it,s the "political" arm of the muslim faith. "better off without politics", now theres a thought!!!! Certainly some of the politicians!!! |
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| Deleted User | Nov 8 2010, 10:24 AM Post #22 |
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.........yep quite a few of tyhem aswell eh pal.keep the faith paxi
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| tobias malachi | Nov 8 2010, 10:24 AM Post #23 |
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You are right as a nation we have always had to fight to defend our nation But we need to remember that America has lost many of her sons and daughters in the fight for freedom, we might not always be in favour of her methods but when the call has come she has stepped up to the mark |
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| Deleted User | Nov 8 2010, 10:33 AM Post #24 |
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its a touching story,thanks for sharing it. we've got plenty from the 7/7 bombings as well. also there will be lots more from previous decades from the manchester bomb,the birmingham pub bombings,the omagh bomb,the brighton bomb etc etc etc. the people we fight on the streets as in the SWP who support thr radical islamics actively fundraise for the IRA. 'that section' of celtic support have posted pictures of respected members of this forum and their children. just whats your problem? |
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| Capt Haddock | Nov 8 2010, 10:37 AM Post #25 |
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Chill dude, no reason for you to start telling people here to fcuk off.
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| lan-astaslem | Nov 8 2010, 10:39 AM Post #26 |
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“One day, millions of men will leave the Southern Hemisphere to go to the Northern Hemisphere. And they will not go there as friends. Because they will go there to conquer it. And they will conquer it with their sons. The wombs of our women will give us victory.” – Houari (Mohamed) Boumedienne, President of Algeria, 1965 – 1978, in a 1974 speech at the UN
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| Gorgie | Nov 8 2010, 10:46 AM Post #27 |
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Because in WW2 they were there right from the beginning. . . I have nothing against America. I think it's a beautiful country with many great people. But I hate it when some Americans try to get a bit cocky and make out as if they are the be all and end all. GB paid the REAL scarifice in WW2. Infact I think we paid the highest price. America came in late and scooped everything up. |
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"One ought never to turn one's back on a threatened danger and try to run away from it. If you do that, you will double the danger. But if you meet it promptly and without flinching, you will reduce the danger by half. Never run away from anything. Never!" "You have enemies? Good. That means you've stood up for something, sometime in your life." Winston Churchill | |
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| Deleted User | Nov 8 2010, 10:48 AM Post #28 |
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and lets not forget the lybian funding of the ira while we're at it eh! those lovley lybians...great bunch them. wonder how the lockerbie bomber is doing... he sure as fuk hasnt got terminal cancer! what was the thread title...a message to the hypocrites? |
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| Gorgie | Nov 8 2010, 10:50 AM Post #29 |
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and links to the PLO. . . |
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"One ought never to turn one's back on a threatened danger and try to run away from it. If you do that, you will double the danger. But if you meet it promptly and without flinching, you will reduce the danger by half. Never run away from anything. Never!" "You have enemies? Good. That means you've stood up for something, sometime in your life." Winston Churchill | |
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| lancashirelad | Nov 8 2010, 10:53 AM Post #30 |
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jbmnyc its alright you coming on here telling folk to fcuk off, but the IRA had plenty of financial backing from the states, gave plenty of support to murdering fcuks like the IRA and over there were considered freedom fighters, its nowt to do with the game of football. Its to do with murdering bastards, you think only you yanks are victims of terrorism, the British have lived with it for decades, but now instead of one bunch of murdering fcukpigs trying to slaughter us we have two sets of murdering fcukpigs trying to slaughter us. |
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| Deleted User | Nov 8 2010, 10:58 AM Post #31 |
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Georgie...........are they a ferry company? .only trying to calm things down a bit. gents.............the enemy is ISLAMISM, that is why we are all here.debate is very,very good.but on this issue lets pay a bit of respect to the soldiers who have died in the past and honour the ones who are on the front line as we speak.one thing that does get my goat up,is all the maimed soldiers who do not get a mention.the nightmares they must have after the devastation of war must be horrific.also those who suffer from shell shock,whatching there brothers in arms die at the side of them in the carnaige. lets have a peacefull debate. EDIT:just before we loose our way its for them not usthe soldiers i mean.why we wear the poppy with pride.sent my kids to school with thiers on the blazer this morning. keep the faith paxi
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| Gorgie | Nov 8 2010, 11:14 AM Post #32 |
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Agreed. RIP to the fallen troops. |
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| Deleted User | Nov 8 2010, 11:22 AM Post #33 |
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See how popular Celtic are with the Islamics now, the bas**rds. http://forums.islamicawakening.com/f18/poppy-protest-celtic-fans-39600/ |
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| Deleted User | Nov 8 2010, 11:30 AM Post #34 |
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Protestans and Catholics - Remember Otranto! |
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| lancashirelad | Nov 8 2010, 11:36 AM Post #35 |
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For me its not about Catholic or Protestant, its about anyone who hates my country and wants to harm her people, IRA and Islamic fundamentalists hate us and want to kill us, so as far as i am concerned they can both rot of the nearest oak tree. |
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| 1Pat | Nov 8 2010, 11:38 AM Post #36 |
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Message on deaf ears? Again not surpised but yet I still feel sick that those Muslim cnuts are laughing at the division which has been encouraged on three threads. How can so many people on here be so fcuken stupid, there was never any EDL gain in this topic and it should have been blanked. |
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| Deleted User | Nov 8 2010, 12:16 PM Post #37 |
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Because this is an open forum, and matters like this cannot go ignored. F**k the Islamics, they may laugh now.... |
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| Deleted User | Nov 8 2010, 12:44 PM Post #38 |
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how is pointing out that certain sections of celtics support are in bed with the radical islamics 'fkn stupid'. |
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| 1Pat | Nov 8 2010, 12:58 PM Post #39 |
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Your just confusing the issue look at the original post 1 on this thread and consider your question,“How is this fkn stupid ?”. Stay focused on Islamic Fascism. |
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| Deleted User | Nov 8 2010, 01:03 PM Post #40 |
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I'm a Roman Catholic of Irish descent. I've come to the conclusion that when Michae Collins signed the partition agreement he signed his own death warrant. By mcguiness and addams continuing to aim for a united ireland they have the blood of Michael all over there hands and have led the republicans down a road of no return.they may carry out gesture politics of the good Friday agreement ,but that's all. The terrorists/gangsters that continue to wage a war of folly in the name of a united ireland do so only to line there own pockets and boost there alter egos. If push came to shove I would do all I could to rid our lands of all those who have Michaels blood on there hands . NO SURRENDER Mark |
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im staying focused on islamic fascism and all those that support and fund it. what are your views on THAT SECTION of islamic supporting celtic fans putting up pictures of peoples of this forums grandkids? THAT SECTION of celtic supporters have taken it upon themselves to oppose the DL's...not the other way round! we've seen how low they will go now. |
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| 1Pat | Nov 8 2010, 01:20 PM Post #42 |
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When I was younger I was playing darts with workmates during our lunch break. When one guy (diehard Celtic) made a bigoted comment to the guy (Rangers) I was playing darts with, so I hit him in the face with a chair. He thought because I was a Celtic man he could make a cnut of this guy. My views: Their just wee arseholes in the grand scheme of things and would not distract me from the bigger picture, “Islamic Fascism”. |
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| jbmnyc | Nov 8 2010, 02:09 PM Post #43 |
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sorry for the outburst gents, Maker's had definitely left it's nasty Mark. But I would re-affirm my "fcu -off" comment to any and all that put any religion first and foremost to blowing people up. I can't grasp when the entire UK is falling to what I witnessed and what the UK witnessed in July of 2005. For the most part and please correct me if I'm wrong, IRA bombings were all "Hello we have a bomb. We're going to detonate it in a bit so you best might want to evacuate" Versus a " Hi, I'm here to kill all of you. You're family, you're children and anyone else" Either way it's all completely f'd up. I'm just sick of all of it. |
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| lan-astaslem | Nov 8 2010, 04:40 PM Post #44 |
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While you where groping in the debris of 9/11, people where dancing in the streets with joy Do you support them Celtic FC fans Do ![]() Remembering Derry's Bloody Sunday Bloody Sunday refers to the events that followed a march, in Derry, Northern Ireland, organized by the Northern Ireland Civil Rights Association on Sunday 30 January 1972. The march had been organised to protest against the continuation of Internment without trial in Northern Ireland, and was attended by upwards of 10,000 men, women and children. The protest was declared illegal by the Northern Ireland administration and by the British government. As the main body of the march moved towards ‘Free Derry Corner’ in the Bogside, British paratroopers launched an ‘arrest operation’ following an incident when youths threw stones at soldiers manning a barrier at William Street. Within 30 minutes the paratroopers has shot and killed 13 unarmed men and wounding a further 13, one of who later died from his injuries. ![]() 2009 Bloody Sunday March was instead in support of Palestine and Against Israeli attacks and murder of innocent people in Gaza. 4000 marchers held 1400 Palestinian flags. |
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| Deleted User | Nov 8 2010, 04:53 PM Post #45 |
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Americans seem to have some kind of romaticised notion that the IRA are/were 'freedom fighters'. That view was obviously shaken somewhat after 9/11 and the American people suffered what we the British had been suffering for decades. Obviously one good thing which came out of 9/11 was the proscription of NORAID and the refusal to let Gerry Adams into the US, that sapped both funds and support for the IRA in the US, which let's face it was one of their biggest sources of income. The IRA left some warnings in some cases, but not the majority, but often they were garbled and inaccurate, in many cases they left none or in some, bogus warnings directing people towards the blasts were made. In the months before 9/11 the IRA were engaged in a bombing campaign in London, a fact which is largely forgotten in the wake of 9/11 when the focus was shifted |
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| lancashirelad | Nov 8 2010, 06:19 PM Post #46 |
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Lan-astaslem, well summed up mate pictures dont lie. |
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| 1Pat | Nov 8 2010, 08:03 PM Post #47 |
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Blatantly obvious to any who visit this site. The volume of views, replies and three threads remaining open on the same subject, “Celtic” and “Scots/Irish Catholics” is simply sectarian. And the EDL welcomes all to its ranks?????????????? |
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| Deleted User | Nov 8 2010, 08:34 PM Post #48 |
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Oh here we go, a minority playing the victim card..... it's the fault of English oppression.. just by way of a change |
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| dan362 | Nov 8 2010, 08:35 PM Post #49 |
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The British have always had a rivalry and fought with each other, be it schools, villagers, towns, gangs, clans, religion, football, but we always unite in the face a common enemy, It's the way we're made!!!!!! |
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| EDL_B.R.F.C. | Nov 8 2010, 08:38 PM Post #50 |
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Yes we did, before political correctness suffocated this country 15 years ago. |
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