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Mohammed may not have been a paedophile after all; I did some research.
Topic Started: Nov 2 2010, 08:24 PM (464 Views)
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I found this article claiming that she was either 14/15 or 19 at the consumation of marriage.
http://www.muslim.org/islam/aisha-age.php

Still a bit young for a 51 year old man though.
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"As to the authenticity of these reports, it may be noted that the compilers of the books of Hadith did not apply the same stringent tests when accepting reports relating to historical matters as they did before accepting reports relating to the practical teachings and laws of Islam."

My favourite part. Maybe they made more than that one mistake huh...? Maybe they're not following "the word of Allah" after all...


Good post mate.
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dirty old bastard :D
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14/15? still a nonce mate
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TheBigCornishman
Nov 2 2010, 08:24 PM
I found this article claiming that she was either 14/15 or 19 at the consumation of marriage.
http://www.muslim.org/islam/aisha-age.php

Still a bit young for a 51 year old man though.
no mate she was 15 at the time when muhammed died, so her marraige finished when she was 15. and he was married to her for 6+ years. she was deffinatly under 10 when she married because the girl was the daughter in law of his previous wife. obviously he killed her and her husband in order to marry the little girl.
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Heard this one before, desperate measures to backtrack because they aren't enjoying the publicity these days......

Please read this from Robert Spencer: http://www.jihadwatch.org/2007/05/really-really-wishing-aisha-werent-nine.html
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Nov 2 2010, 08:24 PM
I found this article claiming that she was either 14/15 or 19 at the consumation of marriage.
http://www.muslim.org/islam/aisha-age.php

Still a bit young for a 51 year old man though.
no mate she was 15 at the time when muhammed died, so her marraige finished when she was 15. and he was married to her for 6+ years. she was deffinatly under 10 when she married because the girl was the daughter in law of his previous wife. obviously he killed her and her husband in order to marry the little girl.
Saved me typing too much there.

This is just a smoke screen and has been proven wrong lots of times. They know that this aspect is deeply disgusting to lots of folk they want to persuade that they are the religion of peace.

So, they do what they always do................Just lie about it, after all it's alright to lie to futher islams cause.

Taqiyya extreme.
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Nov 2 2010, 09:10 PM
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Nov 2 2010, 08:24 PM
I found this article claiming that she was either 14/15 or 19 at the consumation of marriage.
http://www.muslim.org/islam/aisha-age.php

Still a bit young for a 51 year old man though.
no mate she was 15 at the time when muhammed died, so her marraige finished when she was 15. and he was married to her for 6+ years. she was deffinatly under 10 when she married because the girl was the daughter in law of his previous wife. obviously he killed her and her husband in order to marry the little girl.
Saved me typing too much there.

This is just a smoke screen and has been proven wrong lots of times. They know that this aspect is deeply disgusting to lots of folk they want to persuade that they are the religion of peace.

So, they do what they always do................Just lie about it, after all it's alright to lie to futher islams cause.

Taqiyya extreme.
exactly
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What convinces me of her age as 9 is her own story of the day the marriage was consumated where she describes her mother and nurse taking her from a swing and the nurse giving her a wash before she was plonked in Mohammeds lap and the other adults left. A 15 year old, even a very privileged one, wouldn't need a nurse to wash her. A nine year old who has been playing out might. Plus she was still playing with dolls and toys during the early weeks of the marriage - there is another story where Mohammed teases her about the rag horse with wings she has in her bedroom.
I can't remember exactly which book of ahadith these are in but I think it is Bukhari.
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I'm not the most educated when it comes to Islam but the best people to comment on this would be peterpedent and ignominius.

Although if Mohammed wasn't a kiddie fiddler then why do so many Muslim men have sex with under age girls and marriage like it is ok under Islam and they say they are only modeling themselves on the perfect man Mohammed (pubes)
Edited by wookie533, Nov 2 2010, 09:22 PM.
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Says everything when we are even debating this particular issue .
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from the link:

since the affirmation that she was nine appears in Bukhari, as well as Tabari, and in other hadith collections as well (including all but one of the Sahih Sittah), it is accorded the presumption of reliability by the great majority of Muslims. You flatly assert that "there is no evidence that 'Islam' was the driving factor in these child marriages," but the evidence is just that: since Muhammad did it, it is good to do, since he is uswa hasana (Qur'an 33:21). Being "scared" of Iran, or "liking" Khomeini or not, is irrelevant -- what matters is that he lowered the marriageable age of girls to nine in imitation of the Prophet, and that's why it is a widely accepted practice in the Islamic world.
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It might be worth noting that the vast majority of Muslims view the Ahmadiya Muslims, from which this convenient and modern interpretation of Aisha's age is drawn, as being heretics and non-Muslims.

The Ahmadiya Muslims do not accept that Muhammad was the Final Prophet but maintain that one of their own leaders was the latest prophet of Islam.

I'm sure there are similar groups desperate to make Aisha as old as possible now for obvious PR reasons. ;)

"Orthodox" Muslim hadiths are acknowledged by the vast majority of Muslims as being definitive apropos the 6:9 age of Aisha in relation to Muhammed.

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It only goes to show the amount of confusion over the interpretation of the koran and hadiths.
Various authors, versions of events and abrogations.

It just goes to show that muslims pick and choose what they like to justify their behaviours.
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The bible warns of Mohamed the Prophet;

Mat 24:11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
Mat 24:12 And because iniquity [lawlessness] shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.

2 Pet 2:1 [NIV] But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them--bringing swift destruction on themselves.
2 Pet 2:2 [NIV] Many will follow their shameful ways and will bring the way of truth into disrepute.
2 Pet 2:3 [NIV] In their greed these teachers will exploit you with stories they have made up. Their condemnation has long been hanging over them, and their destruction has not been sleeping.

1 John 4:1  Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

Mat 7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves
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"Goodbye my love." He doesn't say it. There's no room for softness... not in Sparta. No place for weakness. Only the hard and strong may call themselves Spartans. Only the hard, only the strong.
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Ive read the Koran many times and one part that can't be up for interpertation its this.

It says he married her at 7 and consumed the marriage at 9 ( sex )

Theres creepy passages about when mohemmed use to sit and play with dollies with her and the such.
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If a 51 year old married my 15 year old daughter, hell he would be a peadophile in my book.
They don't like it up 'em.
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Dont fall for the lies (taqqiya) of muslims, smh... Incase you dont know, muslims lie to their own people too, just so they dont doubt it. and it is fear (apostasy) that stops most from questioning or leaving islam.



She was 6 yrs old when mohammed started child molestation, as in dry humping her between the legs.


after she became 9 he married her and had sex with her.


watch video below from 1 minute onwards

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Why bother trying to argue islamic theology or sharia law? We have real actual islamic states with sharia law. Their laws demonstrate what the muslim expert opinion on this matter is.

The world-famous islamic scholars and jurists in Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Malaysia, etc. all argue that paedophilic child marriages are LEGITIMATE under sharia law, based on the example of Mohammed. In Yemen and Malaysia they permit marriages to girls of 11 y.o. Saudi Arabia has NO age of consent, so there are videos of Saudi islamic "marriage counsellors" advising on Lebanese TV that a muslim man can marry a girl of 1, but should wait until she is 9 y.o. before raping her.

Those three counries are not the only islamic states to permit child marriage on the grounds of sharia law.

Who are we (or our sh1tty uninformed wannabe muslims) to argue with such experts. That is the ground on which to fight this argument.
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I love it when muslims attempt to whitewash Aishas age of consummation. It proves that deep down they know what their prophet did was filthy and disgusting. So they they resort to questioning the authority of al Bukhari and Muslims ahadith collections; the two most authentic (sahih's) available and second in authority only to the Qur'an itself.

There is no question whatsoever that Aisha was 6 at marriage and 9 at consummation, this is supported many times and by many extremely strong chains of narration, some by Aisha herself which together make it bullet proof.

here they are:


Sahih Muslim Book 008, Number 3310:
'A'isha (Allah be pleased with her) reported: Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) married me when I was six years old, and I was admitted to his house when I was nine years old.



Sahih Bukhari Volume 7, Book 62, Number 64
Narrated 'Aisha:
that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old, and then she remained with him for nine years (i.e., till his death).



Sahih Bukhari Volume 7, Book 62, Number 65
Narrated 'Aisha:
that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old. Hisham said: I have been informed that 'Aisha remained with the Prophet for nine years (i.e. till his death)." what you know of the Quran (by heart)'

Sahih Bukhari Volume 7, Book 62, Number 88 
Narrated 'Ursa:
The Prophet wrote the (marriage contract) with 'Aisha while she was six years old and consummated his marriage with her while she was nine years old and she remained with him for nine years (i.e. till his death).

There are numerous hadiths that explicitly reveal the age of Aisha at the time of her marriage. Here are some of them.

Sahih Bukhari 5.236.
Narrated Hisham's father:
Khadija died three years before the Prophet departed to Medina. He stayed there for two years or so and then he married 'Aisha when she was a girl of six years of age, and he consumed that marriage when she was nine years old.

Sahih Bukhari 5.234
Narrated Aisha:
The Prophet engaged me when I was a girl of six (years). We went to Medina and stayed at the home of Bani-al-Harith bin Khazraj. Then I got ill and my hair fell down. Later on my hair grew (again) and my mother, Um Ruman, came to me while I was playing in a swing with some of my girl friends. She called me, and I went to her, not knowing what she wanted to do to me. She caught me by the hand and made me stand at the door of the house. I was breathless then, and when my breathing became Allright, she took some water and rubbed my face and head with it. Then she took me into the house. There in the house I saw some Ansari women who said, "Best wishes and Allah's Blessing and a good luck." Then she entrusted me to them and they prepared me (for the marriage). Unexpectedly Allah's Apostle came to me in the forenoon and my mother handed me over to him, and at that time I was a girl of nine years of age.

And in another Hadith we read.

Sunan Abu-Dawud Book 41, Number 4915,  also  Number 4916  and  Number 4917 
Narrated Aisha, Ummul Mu'minin:
The Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) married me when I was seven or six. When we came to Medina, some women came. according to Bishr's version: Umm Ruman came to me when I was swinging. They took me, made me prepared and decorated me. I was then brought to the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him), and he took up cohabitation with me when I was nine. She halted me at the door, and I burst into laughter.

In the above hadith we read that Aisha was swinging, This is a play of little girls not grown up people. The following Hadith is particularly interesting because it shows that Aisha was so small that was not aware what was going on when the Holy Prophet “surprised” her by going to her.

Sahih Bukhari Volume 7, Book 62, Number 90 
Narrated Aisha:
When the Prophet married me, my mother came to me and made me enter the house (of the Prophet) and nothing surprised me but the coming of Allah's Apostle to me in the forenoon.


Must have been quite a surprise! But the following is also interesting because it demonstrates that she was just a kid playing with her dolls. Pay attention to what the interpreter wrote in the parenthesis. (She was a little girl, not yet reached the age of puberty)
 

Sahih Bukhari Volume 8, Book 73, Number 151 
Narrated 'Aisha:
I used to play with the dolls in the presence of the Prophet, and my girl friends also used to play with me. When Allah's Apostle used to enter (my dwelling place) they used to hide themselves, but the Prophet would call them to join and play with me. (The playing with the dolls and similar images is forbidden, but it was allowed for 'Aisha at that time, as she was a little girl, not yet reached the age of puberty.) (Fateh-al-Bari page 143, Vol.13)


Sahih Muslim Book 008, Number 3311
'A'isha (Allah be pleased with her) reported that Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) married her when she was seven years old, and he was taken to his house as a bride when she was nine, and her dolls were with her; and when he (the Holy Prophet) died she was eighteen years old.


Actually if we were to be pedantic about it, she was actually 8 years 9 months old when the old sheik Muhammad shagged her because muslims adhere to the lunar claender and not the solar. This is a fact demonstrated by a great number of hadiths also. There is no controversy in that. There has never been until now that some of the Muslims have come in contact with western values and are ashamed to admit that their Prophet could commit such an indecency.






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I'll be honest, I dont care what the Koran says or care about Mohammed. I think calling him a peedo is just a cheap way to insult Muslims.

My problem is with Islam, Muslims, and the Muslim way of life, that I will do anything to oppose in this country.
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Cheap insults loses us credibility and suggests we simply hate. Not good.
We need to continue to break down this crazy ideology and use its words as the rope with which to hang it.

A clear explanation in the koran should be all that is needed.
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Nov 3 2010, 03:19 AM
I'll be honest, I dont care what the Koran says or care about Mohammed. I think calling him a peedo is just a cheap way to insult Muslims.
However, I think it is important to push the point home. Because the prophet did it and said it was okay, Muslim men are still doing it today, in fact encouraged to do it.

This must be highlighted as a bad practice (an understatement) and must be used against the Islamists that want to inflict this sort of thing upon non Islamic nations. The Islamists combined with liberal elite are content to cover this up and pretend it didn't happen and is not happening.

It is our job to a big torch and shine a bright light on this barbaric practice to show the true face of Islam.
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I'll be honest, I dont care what the Koran says or care about Mohammed. I think calling him a peedo is just a cheap way to insult Muslims.

My problem is with Islam, Muslims, and the Muslim way of life, that I will do anything to oppose in this country.
Muhammad is Uswa-e-Hasana al-insan al-kamil (the "ideal man") and perfect example to follow as explicitly stated in Qur'an 33.21 Q60.04 Q60.06 Q68.04.

The most repeated verse of Qur'an is: 
"Obey Allah and obey his messenger"

047.033: O ye who believe! Obey Allah, and obey the messenger, and make not vain your deeds!

Also found in Qur'an: 002.285; 003.032; 003.132; 004.013; 004.059; 004.069; 005.092; 008.001; 008.020; 008.024; 008.046; 009.071; 024.047; 024.051; 024.052; 024.054; 033.033; 047.033; 049.007; 049.014; 058.013; 064.012



The Quran also says:
"Obeying the messenger is obeying Allah" (4.80)
"Messenger's life is an example for you to follow" (33.21)


Thus if muslims obey Qur'an's instructions and follow the example of their great and beloved 20% profit (PBUH) from hadiths and sira, inshallah they can terrorize the whole world sucessfully and convert us all to the only true religion of Allah.


Muhammad is key. We should care about what the Qur'an says about him. Anyway, why would Muslims feel insulted by Muhammad's pedophilia? Having sex with nine year old girls (provided you are 'married' to them) is completely halaal in Islam.
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Cheap insults loses us credibility and suggests we simply hate. Not good.
We need to continue to break down this crazy ideology and use its words as the rope with which to hang it.

A clear explanation in the koran should be all that is needed.
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It's also possible to ignore the hadith and prove Aisha's age by simple maths alone which cannot be disputed by Muslims. We know that the flight to Medina was in 622 AD. We know that Aisha was 65/66 when she died. We know the year she died which was 678 AD. Subtract the age from the date and we get the year in which she was born. 613 AD. At the the time of the Hijra in 622 therefore she would have been 8 or 9. That is the time when it's clearly documented that Muhammed consumated the marriage to his 6 year old bride.
The figures cannot lie. If she was 18 as some muslim apologists have claimed then she died a lot older than even the Sunni scholars claim for her.

However Muslims try to bend the facts as they are apt to do when faced with unwholesome facts about their prophet and their religion, the truth is in their own documents.
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The truth is, I hate everything Islamic, so it's irrelevant if he is or isn't a peedo, I will still hate the majority of Muslims and the Muslim way of life.

If he is, just add that to the list of everything we already despise about them.
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Nov 2 2010, 10:05 PM
It says he married her at 7 and consumed the marriage at 9 ( sex )
Sorry i typed she was 6
Edited by Tutaminis legio, Nov 3 2010, 02:44 PM.
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If a sixty six year old guy has sex with an eighteen year I would say good luck to the booger
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Mary mother of Jesus was thought to be to be 15 when she concieved as was the custom in those days in many countries. I think there is a strong possability that islam knowing that right minded people condem moHAMed as a peedo are trying to re-write history with the idea that if 15 is alright for the Christians it will be alright for them. They stand condemed by the very book that they hold sacred, or are they saying that when they re-wrote the quran they lowered the age of Aisha so that they could say that they that it is right to follow the example of the prophet and have sex with children.
Mr islamist only has experience in dealing with the uneducated in the third world we are not so easily fooled
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Aisha was kissed by Muhammad when she was 6 and they did birds and bees stuff when she was 9. How romantic.
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