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7/7 inquest: firefighters clashed with paramedic outside Tube station
Topic Started: Oct 29 2010, 01:58 PM (97 Views)
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p!ss poorness from people who should know better, my condolences to the family's.



Firefighters angrily swore at a paramedic after he refused to take seriously injured 7/7 victims to hospital, an inquest heard today.

Andrew Cumner was in the first ambulance to arrive on the scene of the bombing at Aldgate Tube station in London on July 7, 2005.

A group of firefighters told him he needed to take wounded survivors, including Emma Brown, who had severe shrapnel wounds to her stomach, to hospital for treatment.

But he told them he could not because as ''incident officer'' he had to stay to assess how many more ambulances were needed, the inquest for the 52 victims of the attacks heard.

The firefighters responded with ''hostility and panic'', with one telling him, ''give me the f****** keys and I will drive the f****** ambulance'', the hearing was told.

Suicide bomber Shehzad Tanweer detonated his device on the second carriage of an eastbound Circle Line train at Aldgate station at about 8.50am on July 7.

Mr Cumner, who in 2005 had 22 years experience as a paramedic with London Ambulance Service, and his colleague Andrea Ray arrived at Aldgate about 20 minutes later.

Recalling the scene, he told the inquest: ''As I left the vehicle, I could see a number of people outside the station who indeed did look like they were covered in soot.

''Some of these people were standing, some were sitting and some were lying down.''

Mr Cumner described the clash with fire crews in debrief notes after the incident.

He wrote: ''Firefighters insisting that we take a number of casualties at the station entrance.

''I declined, explaining that we were the first ambulance on and could not convey any patients but had to evaluate the situation, and I had to take on the role of incident officer until relieved.

''This was met by some hostility and panic from the firefighters, with comments such as 'give me the f****** keys and I will drive the f****** ambulance'.''

Mr Cumner added in brackets ''not helpful''.

He told the hearing: ''They weren't sure of what the role of the first ambulance on the scene was.''

The inquest also heard that a senior fire officer told Mr Cumner people had died on the train but there was no mention of urgent medical aid being required underground.

Ben Hay, counsel to the inquests, asked Mr Cumner: ''Did anyone expressly ever say to you in those first eight minutes or so, 'we've got very seriously critically injured people on the train, we need paramedics down there'?

The paramedic replied: ''No.''


link: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/terrorism-in-the-uk/8096331/77-inquest-firefighters-clashed-with-paramedic-outside-Tube-station.html
Edited by learning curve, Oct 29 2010, 02:00 PM.
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'This was met by some hostility and panic from the firefighters, with comments such as 'give me the f****** keys and I will drive the f****** ambulance'.''


hostility, i would call it using your own initiative.

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Oct 29 2010, 03:29 PM
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'This was met by some hostility and panic from the firefighters, with comments such as 'give me the f****** keys and I will drive the f****** ambulance'.''


hostility, i would call it using your own initiative.

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Excactly, I'm sure he would have changed his mind if it was one of his family members he saw injured...
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Seems to me that they are trying to distract public anger away from the murdering islamists and onto the emergency services.

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That stupid paramedic should sacked for gross incompetence why couldent he have got someone else to be the incident manager.RIP to the 52 killed that day.The monsters that committed these atacks will be burning in hell for what they did.
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i think the system is at fault here, the question is ... why was a key organizer driving an ambulance ?

but at the same time he should had given the key to the firefighter to transport the patients !
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Oct 29 2010, 03:53 PM
Seems to me that they are trying to distract public anger away from the murdering islamists and onto the emergency services.

Let's never forget and never forgive.
I agree.Whilst the emergency services might have been far from perfect the real blame lies with those four scumbags who decided to blow themselves up.

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I think it's a case of whoever is in the first ambulance to turn up lands the role of assessment officer. The guy was following policy and can't be blamed for doing his job, and as he stated he had to wait to be relieved of that duty. He seemed to think that the firemen were unaware of the role of the first ambulance on the scene. With the amount of people injured, it would be essential to have a medical officer coordinating the rest of the medical teams.

We can all say that he should have used common sense and took the casualties, but we weren't there (well, I wasn't) and have no idea of what the situation was like. Maybe he could have taken a couple of casualties to hospital, but who would have been left to organise help for the other 50?

Both the Ambulance & Fire services have a tough job to do, and they usually do their best.
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