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| Parson-St-Station | Oct 27 2010, 04:24 AM Post #1 |
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Is it possible to set up an EDL paypal account,whereby members could chuck in a few spare quid? Even if this is just enough to employ 2 or 3 office workers,or a solicitor, or even an IT expert then this would surely help? Theres 16,500 members on here alone, if we only chucked in 50p a month, then thats 8 grand. Thats gotta help out Tommy and the boys surely? Does anyone agree? |
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| Defendz | Oct 27 2010, 04:32 AM Post #2 |
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Yup sounds like a good idea to me - as long as we had regular website updates on what the moneys being spent on, i would definatley contribute a few quid. |
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| Parson-St-Station | Oct 27 2010, 04:36 AM Post #3 |
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Fair call, it is crucial to know where the dosh is going. IE we employed 3 office staff and rented a business office, or we have hired Mr so-and-so barrister at law to represent us. Yeah, as long as we know its going for the cause then I think hundreds of quid a week would roll in. Totally agree with you mate. |
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| donsilbers | Oct 27 2010, 04:52 AM Post #4 |
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Great idea, I can't think of a worthier cause. |
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| Lunar Monkey | Oct 27 2010, 04:57 AM Post #5 |
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For gods sake, don't start one of those "Just £2 a month" appeals ![]() Good idea, but it would be hard to "employ" people to do these jobs based on a donations system which could differ wildly from month to month. Maybe if we ran the donations for a whole year, this would give us a budget for the next year. It would be better going forward knowing how much you have to spend and how many people you can employ. It's entirely possible though. 2 employees at minimum wage is 24,000 a year, a half decent office with it's own loo and kettle socket would probably cost around 5k a year.. If we could get all of our 30,000 strong EDL supporters to cough up just a single quid a year, it's more than covered ![]() But then there's the cost of security, and making the place fireproof. Might be better to use a PO Box which are only 50 quid a year, but even so we still risk the old anthrax through the mail trick
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| Parson-St-Station | Oct 27 2010, 05:20 AM Post #6 |
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Why not, we could sponser a child, dig a well, and perform cataract surgery....oh wait, wrong website Yeah I agree I would be well difficult to guarantee a monthly amount but if an office worker is on 10 quid an hour, then thats 350 quid a week.So 3 would be about 1000 pounds a week, I am sure that on days of EDL activity ie demo's then thousands would pour in,less so on quiet weeks. It should work itself out, and if funds run low a quick word on here should chuck a few grand in pretty quickly. But I totally agree Dudge, we need to see transparency where the money is being spent. Workers,printing,legal fee's etc YES Piss-ups down the pub at a 'meeting' NO Keep all that sweet and we should be able to provide more resources to the EDL, which hopefully will enable it to grow and grow. After all, what's 50p FFS. Cheers Andy Edited by Parson-St-Station, Oct 27 2010, 05:30 AM.
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| Deleted User | Oct 27 2010, 05:22 AM Post #7 |
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http://extensions.joomla.org/extensions/e-commerce/donations http://extensions.joomla.org/extensions/e-commerce/donations/3589 |
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| Parson-St-Station | Oct 27 2010, 05:33 AM Post #8 |
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Sorry mate,never heard of Joomla. Prefer old fashioned PayPal myself,nice and easy to work out for thicko's like me!
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| brianoflondon | Oct 27 2010, 05:52 AM Post #9 |
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I believe the leadership is working to put financial controls in place before taking any further money either by donation or sales. The enemies of the EDL will always use allegations of mismanagement of funds against it otherwise. |
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| Parson-St-Station | Oct 27 2010, 06:04 AM Post #10 |
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Thanks Brian. Any timeframe on this? |
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| lan-astaslem | Oct 27 2010, 06:05 AM Post #11 |
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Maybe you can explain some of the problems P Geller and Robert Spencer have had with Paypal |
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| Deleted User | Oct 27 2010, 06:07 AM Post #12 |
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A fine ideal, but why would we really want to make Paypal even richer than they already are, each donation would require a percentage paid directly to them. If anyone cares to remember the Dudley two appeal, they will remember that the cash was actually very slow to come in, despite lots of people saying "if we only put a pound for each member we would cover £XXXXX easily", we didn't ! There were and are far too many talking the talk, and will always have the cash for a piss up but will leave it up to others to fund the movement. |
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| Parson-St-Station | Oct 27 2010, 06:22 AM Post #13 |
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True, but it is a tried and trusted money transference system. I will donate, so apparently would others. If other members choose not too then who am I to condemn them. Even the 'footy yobs' (who we need btw) might just once in a while chuck a few quid in. Any cash,used appropriately has to be welcomed by the EDL. If its used for inappropriate reasons the the flow will stop. Simples. Its got to be worth a try,for banners,an office, website maintenance and legal advice. Or we won't grow. The 16,500 members will soon show them selves as patriots or hot-air blowers. I would prefer to think of them as patriots who will chuck a couple of quid in a month. I hope I'm not wrong. NS |
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| brianoflondon | Oct 27 2010, 06:26 AM Post #14 |
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Paypal are a big problem. In the UK it is far better to move money bank to bank and much cheaper. Internationally, however, paypal has a lock and their terms and conditions are not good for movements like EDL. I've always preferred honest commerce to donations. Sell stuff, make a profit and let everyone know it. Edited by brianoflondon, Oct 27 2010, 06:27 AM.
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Brian of London has been actively occupying a very small slice of hideously over-occupied Tel Aviv since early 2009. Islam is a giant bungee cord tying it's adherents to the 7th century. They can pull themselves almost to the twenty first century but eventually the cord tightens and flings them back. | |
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| Deleted User | Oct 27 2010, 06:46 AM Post #15 |
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You can already donate by Paypal................. FB Link HERE Paypal Link HERE |
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| Parson-St-Station | Oct 27 2010, 07:10 AM Post #16 |
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Paypal link doesn't work. And I will never send my financial details via FB. So can somebody on the website give us MEMBERS a safe and secure facebook link so we can help with the cause. I don't know whats going on with the EDL at the moment. Members can't join Divisions, Members can't even FIND their divisions, and now no PayPal facility. This is suddenly feeling like its just got too big for the people at the top. Some of us could help you,if you'd let us. But please, fix the PayPal account. Divide the website into active Divisions where people can actually communicate with fellow EDL. Apparently there are divisions out there with 4 members...and the other 200 who want to join can't...why? Who knows,but there is a huge difference between getting lagered up from 10 am on matchday to answering e-mails from fellow partriots who want to join. If the responsibility of being a divisional leader is too hard,for what ever reason,give someone else a go. A nice home-maker would love to fill her day helping the EDL rather than some knucklehead illiterate who's too pissed to type after 7pm. Just a thought. And I suppose thats another warning on the way
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| Deleted User | Oct 27 2010, 07:29 AM Post #17 |
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The Paypal link is not working because it was my session and timed out. (My bad) However, if you just click through the Paypal symbol in the 'donate' tab on the EDL FB page, it will take you directly to the secure Paypal page for making a donation. |
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| Parson-St-Station | Oct 27 2010, 07:46 AM Post #18 |
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Nope...still coming up "fatal failure" I think its safe to say we need another paypal account set up. How about 'nuns against headbands' That should fool the fcukers
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| lan-astaslem | Oct 27 2010, 07:56 AM Post #19 |
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With all the negative press about EDL paypal will block us, like they tried to block Atlas Shrugs I have found the best way with traveling is to make sure you have enough funds in your bank account and use ATM,s where ever you go. This way you do not have to carry large amounts of cash, you dont have the pay money changers commission,or find money changers, you dont pay traveller check fees and surprisingly you get the fairest exchange rates |
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| donsilbers | Oct 27 2010, 08:11 AM Post #20 |
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Not sure I can see the point of having an office especially as admin work can easily be done at home on the computer these days. Seems like needless expense and from a security point of view a bit of a sitting duck. |
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| brianoflondon | Oct 27 2010, 08:35 AM Post #21 |
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EDL don't need a fixed office, but at the moment there are many people with demanding day jobs who are working round the clock for the love of it to get the job done for the EDL: you can see the evidence of that in the hours the admins put in on this forum, the new web site, the fantastic speeches and articles that get written. I don't imagine many doing this work are on the dole and taking the government shilling! Nobody is taking money out of the EDL: all are volunteers. To all of them a damn big thank you! |
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| Deleted User | Oct 27 2010, 08:36 AM Post #22 |
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We had a safe and secure way for members to donate, there was a paypal option on the website, it was left off in the recent revamp. Why? Because it didn't get used, people talk the talk as cutter has already mentioned, but in the end, it never got used, people don't donate. That's fine, their choice, paying the mortgage and feeding the family comes first, but the fact of the matter is, the income was minimal. If you want to find your division, there is a link on the website http://www.englishdefenceleague.org/ and you can always ask here, questions always get answered. Moaning that you can't find you division is not a question, state where you are and what division you're trying to contact and you will be given advice. There aren't divisions with 200 people wanting to join, there's a vocal minority who are using their energy to moan rather searching out to find what they need. If you can't find your division (despite the fact that there is a link on both the website and FB, post a question not a moan and you're more likely to get an answer. "Who knows,but there is a huge difference between getting lagered up from 10 am on matchday to answering e-mails from fellow partriots who want to join." At least they make the effort to pay for their coach/train fare and give up their Saturday and stand up and be counted, it was those that started the EDL, rather them than keyboard warriors. "If the responsibility of being a divisional leader is too hard,for what ever reason,give someone else a go. A nice home-maker would love to fill her day helping the EDL rather than some knucklehead illiterate who's too pissed to type after 7pm." Sure, everybody's got several spare hours everyday, people are just queueing up to devote their spare time. These people are doing the job, being it divisional, regional organiser or whatever out of the goodness of their heart and because nobody else will. BTW, being a divisional leader doesn't just mean typing a few emails, you have to get out and about and organise meetings, transport, local demonstrations etc., can a nice homemaker be away from the children to do that? Can a nice homemaker deal with the fact that it may get out in the community that she is EDL and be branded at the school gates that she's a racist? This article has already been posted, but I'd like you to read this section again, it's an outsider's view of the people in the EDL. http://anonym.to/?http://europenews.dk/en/node/36782 Weaknesses "One must seriously doubt whether the EDL can survive in its present form. Leaders and activists are wearing themselves out with all the work they are trying to accomplish and one gets the impression that their missuses are not happy. On top of that they have to earn a living in their civilian trades. Unless the EDL gets sufficiently organised to pay its officers a living salary and hires some office personnel to help them out, the end will be in sight." Just remember, we all give up our time for free and nobody gets paid for it. It's easy to sit behind a keyboard and criticise, but when people are asked to contribute, they suddenly find themselves busy and short of time. That said, it is on the list to put a paypal donate button on the forum, whether it'll get used is another thing. |
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| prestonfootpatrol | Oct 27 2010, 08:40 AM Post #23 |
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Good idea this mate. |
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| Deleted User | Oct 27 2010, 08:46 AM Post #24 |
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| infidel 9755 | Oct 27 2010, 08:50 AM Post #25 |
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well said road hog, and a big thanks to everyone who gives up thier time to help the cause.
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| General Pershing | Oct 27 2010, 09:33 AM Post #26 |
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Never noticed the PayPal donate button before, just made my first donation! Everyone on here should donate what they can. The PayPal donation button should DEFINITELY be on the forum as this is the first port-of-call for most EDL onliners. Edited by General Pershing, Oct 27 2010, 09:36 AM.
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| Deleted User | Oct 27 2010, 10:26 AM Post #27 |
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parson st,people only get in our division if the attend meet and greets and then go to a demo with us,we had over 300 members,but only a few people turned out for demo's,we had a clear out we now only have about 40 members in the division,but we now have the best turnouts we have ever had,we are an ACTIVE division and don't accept keyboard warriors |
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| snidey | Oct 27 2010, 10:49 AM Post #28 |
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I've mentioned it on the FB page and i'll mention it again i have a complete website, domain name, ecommerce shop, emails etc that are from http://www.mrsite.com/ It's completely unused by me and could be put to better use by people with a bit of technical knowhow. Even if it's setting up divisional emails etc. the features of it are here http://www.mrsite.com/website_standard_features.asp Let me know if its any use. |
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| Parson-St-Station | Oct 27 2010, 11:02 AM Post #29 |
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Wow, touched a nerve here....now a 20% warning. My points are still valid No easy Paypal No Easy Divisional joining up No easy communication with any kind of Divisional leadership BTW...My message to the EDL support group is still unanswered after a week. These are genuine issues but go on Ruby, lets arc it up to 30% Though why you would is beyond me as all my points are valid,appropriate and current. |
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| Parson-St-Station | Oct 27 2010, 11:13 AM Post #30 |
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Cheers Ruby...ever thought of reading what I've written before you wield the big hammer?? In no way have I been offensive to anyone by name. Just stating the truth according to many,many want-to-be members. Take another 10% off if it makes you happy. |
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| Deleted User | Oct 27 2010, 11:24 AM Post #31 |
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The monthly payment scenario has been discussed at our previous local meet. I think it will either be finalised at the next meeting or some people could just chip in money at the meeting and will be given a receipt. For all those that believe in the cause but have difficulty attending demo's/meeting due to health or location the monthly contribution thing is a great way to help. As the weather turns I will have to invest in some clothing, The reversible top and a hoody for one, I hope they make enough out of these items. |
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| Gibbsy | Oct 27 2010, 11:29 AM Post #32 |
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A small donation by members each month sounds like a good idea. I dont think we need to pay for full time staff but money for legal representation sounds like a good idea. Also any funds would have to be 'transparent' i.e the accounts would have to be made available to all members for scrutiny. |
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| Deleted User | Oct 27 2010, 11:31 AM Post #33 |
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I understand they are setting an entity for all money, so transparency will not be an issue. |
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| Parson-St-Station | Oct 27 2010, 12:09 PM Post #34 |
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Cheers Ruby... |
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| Eeedl | Oct 27 2010, 03:16 PM Post #35 |
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If we all put in just £3 a month or somthing that would provide good money to finance the edl (legal advice,travel costs,making placards and banners) don't forget aswell one of us might be the next ones to win the national lottery.I don't think having an edl office would be a wise move beacuse if the uaf/swp lot or the "religon of peace" followers found out were it was it would get smashed up or worse. |
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| Parson-St-Station | Oct 28 2010, 09:30 AM Post #36 |
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So how's it going with the paypal account? Is it fixed or still down? It still says "fatal error" when I try to access it. Cheers |
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