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| Times pay wall down - Read the EDL article; Should be able to post comments as well | |
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| Deleted User | Oct 26 2010, 04:12 PM Post #1 |
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For those that haven't yet read it, here's the Times article, get in quick whilst the paywall is down and also get to read the comments. Apparently it is the most read article. http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/uk/article2780368.ece |
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| ENUFisENUF | Oct 26 2010, 04:16 PM Post #2 |
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Dammit, looks like they have the paywall up and running again RH. Lucky for us General Black Jack posted the article on another thread, good reading. All publicity is good publicity. Edited by ENUFisENUF, Oct 26 2010, 04:16 PM.
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“Ridicule is the only weapon that can be used against unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct before reason can act upon them.”-Thomas Jefferson | |
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| lionsingh | Oct 26 2010, 04:17 PM Post #3 |
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doesnt work now |
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| AQH | Oct 26 2010, 04:23 PM Post #4 |
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too late for me |
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| Irish_Kid | Oct 26 2010, 04:26 PM Post #5 |
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it tells me to pay to read the article. best bet is to upload the screenshot of the article |
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| Deleted User | Oct 26 2010, 04:34 PM Post #6 |
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That didn't last long, did it. Here's the comments, I haven't included the replies to comments as the thread would end up too long and I'll probably get chucked behind the paywall if i try. Ignore the bit about hidden comments, none of them are hidden, that just seems to get put before each post. Comments (65) Order by: NewestOldestMost Recommended Name withheld Alan Hawkes October 24, 2010 11:02 PM This comment is hidden because you have chosen to ignore Alan Hawkes. Show DetailsHide Details There is a sizeable section of the indigenous population that feels that it has been ignored by a metropolitan elite. Neither group understands the other. In some ways this movement resembles the Luddite reaction to early industrialisation when workers saw their jobs being destroyed by a process that left them feeling impotent. It is significant that the report selects as its example local authorities that might want to change the name of Christmas to something thought to be more muliticultural. This is strange as I have never seen a report of any other religious group seeking this change, so such an action would be the misguided efforts of the local authority. As so often it is a small thing, true or exaggerated that is often the last straw. Job losses will only add to the anger. Abuse Reported Report Abuse Show replies (15)Show reply (1) Hide replies (15)Hide reply (1) Loading replies Name withheld Christian Neukirch October 25, 2010 1:45 AM This comment is hidden because you have chosen to ignore Christian Neukirch. Show DetailsHide Details Seems like more groups like this could come up across Europe. The leaders of the Europe fail to understand that you can't force society to be liberal - the society itself has to become it first and then rules can be made. Groups like this can turn out to be pretty nasty soon and may cause some considerable damage to the reputation of nations. Abuse Reported Report Abuse Show replies (6)Show reply (1) Hide replies (6)Hide reply (1) Loading replies Name withheld Patrick Rynne October 25, 2010 1:48 AM This comment is hidden because you have chosen to ignore Patrick Rynne. Show DetailsHide Details I don't support extremist groups, but multiculturalism has failed. Some form of assimilation is necessary. Abuse Reported Report Abuse Show replies (1)Show reply (1) Hide replies (1)Hide reply (1) Loading replies Name withheld Global Voter October 25, 2010 2:13 AM This comment is hidden because you have chosen to ignore Global Voter. Show DetailsHide Details This is entirely understandable, when governments allow uncontrolled political correctness to surge, then extremist groups will look after those left behind. Governments need to control immigration and respect a country's historic values. Immigrants, like me, need to respect that when in Rome.... Abuse Reported Report Abuse Show replies (1)Show reply (1) Hide replies (1)Hide reply (1) Loading replies Name withheld Nicholas Reuss October 25, 2010 2:23 AM This comment is hidden because you have chosen to ignore Nicholas Reuss. Show DetailsHide Details We should welcome all comers to work, marry, raise families and prosper in the free and liberal society that is Britain which has its own distinct culture, long history and resulting values. Immigrants must accept our way of life and not expect us to change to meet their legion of different cultures. If they don't like that then they should accept our right to be British and go back to where they came from. Abuse Reported Report Abuse Show replies (16)Show reply (1) Hide replies (16)Hide reply (1) Loading replies Name withheld chas dutton October 25, 2010 3:22 AM This comment is hidden because you have chosen to ignore chas dutton. Show DetailsHide Details The EDL and the likes of BNP, NF etc will never reach a critical mass because: Violence and Thuggery on the streets of UK sabotages their message. Their message and methods are bigoted. Plod, Court Orders and The Media will neutralize them. Abuse Reported Report Abuse Show replies (2)Show reply (1) Hide replies (2)Hide reply (1) Loading replies Name withheld Peter Maclean October 25, 2010 4:52 AM This comment is hidden because you have chosen to ignore Peter Maclean. Show DetailsHide Details The Pen is only mightier than the sword if those using it have INK. Think about it Abuse Reported Report Abuse Show replies (0)Show reply (1) Hide replies (0)Hide reply (1) Loading replies Name withheld Richard Martin October 25, 2010 4:57 AM This comment is hidden because you have chosen to ignore Richard Martin. Show DetailsHide Details Communist Islamist Capitalist World Social Democracy Class British Liberal Left Conservative Right Christian Left Witness Right Abuse Reported Report Abuse Show replies (0)Show reply (1) Hide replies (0)Hide reply (1) Loading replies Name withheld Sebastian Collier October 25, 2010 5:29 AM This comment is hidden because you have chosen to ignore Sebastian Collier. Show DetailsHide Details um...I thought Christmas was celebrated on a Roman calender involving the birth of the King of the Jews with a cultural contribution of Frankincense, Myrrh and gold from the Oriental kings with the star of Bethlehem set in the Middle East mixed with a combination of Nordic folk stories with ornate Hindu temple decorations while eating a bird ( Turkey) that originated from the American continent. I think one would have to accept that Christmas was very multicultural. Abuse Reported Report Abuse Show replies (4)Show reply (1) Hide replies (4)Hide reply (1) Loading replies Name withheld Hugo Slade October 25, 2010 6:53 AM This comment is hidden because you have chosen to ignore Hugo Slade. Show DetailsHide Details Dangerous..... very dangerous. With the benefit of hindsight we can see what the possible repercussions are of movements that start like this. Abuse Reported Report Abuse Show replies (0)Show reply (1) Hide replies (0)Hide reply (1) Loading replies Name withheld Robert Rosenberg October 25, 2010 6:54 AM This comment is hidden because you have chosen to ignore Robert Rosenberg. Show DetailsHide Details The rabbi doesn't represent Jews here. He is regarded as a nutter. We need to neutralise groups like this by not being stupid. Christmas is Christmas and should be celebrated properly. Minorities just want to be able to celebrate their own festivals in peace, not change the way Christians celebrate their festivals! These local government idiots just don't get this simple concept. Abuse Reported Report Abuse Show replies (7)Show reply (1) Hide replies (7)Hide reply (1) Loading replies Name withheld Richard James October 25, 2010 7:07 AM This comment is hidden because you have chosen to ignore Richard James. Show DetailsHide Details "To each action there is an equal and opposite reaction". One of the basic laws of physics that can easily said to apply to this situation. President Merkl has pronounced that multi-culturism has been a failed experiment in Germany and its about time we were honest enough to admit it too. Abuse Reported Report Abuse Show replies (1)Show reply (1) Hide replies (1)Hide reply (1) Loading replies Name withheld Current Bun October 25, 2010 7:09 AM This comment is hidden because you have chosen to ignore Current Bun. Show DetailsHide Details Sebastian Collier - actually Christmas is the Saturnalia - a northern European pagan festival which predates the Christian overlay. The cultural history of the Saturnalia is deeply fascinating. It acknowledges the Winter Solstice among other things and the return of sunlight in the northern hemisphere as days get longer after the 21st Dec - whatever date you want to give it, the Solstice is at the same time. The birth of Christ is a latecomer to the party. I prefer the old tradition - I do not like the dubious cultural input which has seen Christmas become a credit binge. So for me multiculturalism does not work especially when one of the most insidious contributions is usury. Abuse Reported Report Abuse Show replies (0)Show reply (1) Hide replies (0)Hide reply (1) Loading replies Name withheld Shrikant Deshpande October 25, 2010 7:25 AM This comment is hidden because you have chosen to ignore Shrikant Deshpande. Show DetailsHide Details New name for Christmas !!! Honestly! I dont understand how some people can be so right-sided such as the BNP or the EDL, but with steps such as this - as well as all the other steps councils and the government take to be PC - I can understand why such extremists get an audience. I have lived in the UK for the past 4 odd years, and it is the most or one of the most inclusive societies. But pressuring people into accepting more than they are ready to accept is only a recipe for trouble. Hopefully this government will have its antennae set right and make people coming into the country accept that they have to align to the UK, rather than expect everyone else to change. Its not the basic values that have to change, but immigrants have to understand that if they expect their new home-countries to be inclusive, they themselves will have to change and be inclusive to the thoughts and beliefs of the new country. Abuse Reported Report Abuse Show replies (3)Show reply (1) Hide replies (3)Hide reply (1) Loading replies Name withheld Mike October 25, 2010 7:52 AM This comment is hidden because you have chosen to ignore Mike. Show DetailsHide Details Multi-ethnic - YES. Multi-cultural - NO ! A common culture is the cement that holds any society together. Cultures, like languages, evolve all of the time as new influences permeate them and that's how it should be - a ground swell shift from below rather than an imposed artificially edict from above. There are many immigrants of all colours and creeds who have integrated into our society and have subtly influenced our outlook and habits. This can clearly be seen in the food that we eat, the clothes that we wear and our artistic output and this is the way that it has always been in the past. Immigrants who congregate into Ghettos, make little effort to speak our language and who clearly reject our indigenous culture should not be accomodated here and should return to their countries of origin. They constitute the most devise element in any society and it is not an example of liberal toleration but more of a harbinger of social and cultural disintegration. Abuse Reported Report Abuse Show replies (4)Show reply (1) Hide replies (4)Hide reply (1) Loading replies Name withheld David MacKinnon October 25, 2010 8:18 AM This comment is hidden because you have chosen to ignore David MacKinnon. Show DetailsHide Details Promoting everything from people dancing around poles to Poles dancing around people tends to, I dunno, POLARIZE things... Abuse Reported Report Abuse Show replies (0)Show reply (1) Hide replies (0)Hide reply (1) Loading replies Name withheld martin leslie October 25, 2010 8:37 AM This comment is hidden because you have chosen to ignore martin leslie. Show DetailsHide Details The three MP's in the news don't help. Abuse Reported Report Abuse Show replies (1)Show reply (1) Hide replies (1)Hide reply (1) Loading replies Name withheld alan ronan October 25, 2010 8:39 AM This comment is hidden because you have chosen to ignore alan ronan. Show DetailsHide Details europe faces a very real danger from a group that is anti democracy and predujice against anyone who is not like them, they are racist , homophobic, sexist , and self serving. im talking about islam. Abuse Reported Report Abuse Show replies (3)Show reply (1) Hide replies (3)Hide reply (1) Loading replies Name withheld Maria A October 25, 2010 8:50 AM This comment is hidden because you have chosen to ignore Maria A. Show DetailsHide Details It doesn't surprise me that there are 40000 extremists on facebook Abuse Reported Report Abuse Show replies (1)Show reply (1) Hide replies (1)Hide reply (1) Loading replies Name withheld Xavier Onassis October 25, 2010 9:08 AM This comment is hidden because you have chosen to ignore Xavier Onassis. Show DetailsHide Details Unfortunately this group seem to be articulating in an extremist way the reasoned thoughts of many who feel ignored or overlooked by our current crop of "politically correct" politicians of all parties. Abuse Reported Report Abuse Show replies (0)Show reply (1) Hide replies (0)Hide reply (1) Loading replies Name withheld Lady Truly Barking Madstock October 25, 2010 9:09 AM This comment is hidden because you have chosen to ignore Lady Truly Barking Madstock. Show DetailsHide Details THey are no better than the extremists they protest about. They are just thugs who are out for a fight, if it wasn't extremists it would be blacks, homosexuals or any other target. Doing it for the British people? Not in my name! Abuse Reported Report Abuse Show replies (1)Show reply (1) Hide replies (1)Hide reply (1) Loading replies Name withheld Lizard October 25, 2010 9:10 AM This comment is hidden because you have chosen to ignore Lizard. Show DetailsHide Details Am I the only one who finds it funny that Stephen Lennon appears to be wearing something resembling a burka? Abuse Reported Report Abuse Show replies (1)Show reply (1) Hide replies (1)Hide reply (1) Loading replies Name withheld Andrew Ross October 25, 2010 9:25 AM This comment is hidden because you have chosen to ignore Andrew Ross. Show DetailsHide Details The EDL needs to avoid the trap of nationalism. Global organization is good. Globorg is GO, GO dominion is GOD, and GOD is great! Abuse Reported Report Abuse Show replies (0)Show reply (1) Hide replies (0)Hide reply (1) Loading replies Name withheld Peter Burgess October 25, 2010 9:31 AM This comment is hidden because you have chosen to ignore Peter Burgess. Show DetailsHide Details "God bless our Queen, England and St. George" Discuss with refeerence to England's history of adapting to multiculturalism. Please will some of you go back to the Daily Mail. Abuse Reported Report Abuse Show replies (1)Show reply (1) Hide replies (1)Hide reply (1) Loading replies Name withheld Alison Figueiredo October 25, 2010 9:34 AM This comment is hidden because you have chosen to ignore Alison Figueiredo. Show DetailsHide Details "His group is also receiving funding from those organisations to help it to achieve its aim of countering what it perceives as the “Islamisation of Britain”." With regard to Tower Hamlets is there any need for The Times to include these parentheses? The press never bothers to question or investigate other extremist organisations. Why it cannot join the dots here regards the emergence of this apparently "far right" organisation is curious. Is Ken Livingstone now far right given he supports similar organisations in the opposite corner staking their claim on a London council whose supporters were intimidating women going to vote? Just curious how the Times wants to set about pigeon holing this whole debate. Abuse Reported Report Abuse Show replies (0)Show reply (1) Hide replies (0)Hide reply (1) Loading replies Name withheld Guy Higby October 25, 2010 9:41 AM This comment is hidden because you have chosen to ignore Guy Higby. Show DetailsHide Details This is a dangerous street movement which the people of our country need to take seriously. If such an extremist group starts to win seats, well, we all know how history could play out. Abuse Reported Report Abuse Show replies (3)Show reply (1) Hide replies (3)Hide reply (1) Loading replies Name withheld Kader Nahaboo October 25, 2010 10:00 AM This comment is hidden because you have chosen to ignore Kader Nahaboo. Show DetailsHide Details Any human society has never been, and will never be perfect. Education conducive to wisdom can change people's minsdsets. In a civilised society one must learn the intgelligent way to put forward one's beliefs, to argue for or against one's values, to agree to differ wisely. It's very sad, and disturbing to encounter individuals in our country to distort painfully the two great beautiful religions of Christianity and Islam. Those Christians and Muslims who are so doing have to learn the true values of their respedtive beliefs, they will find themselves on the wrong track, besides they will discover how wrong they are against the non-believers as well. Those who profess to be Christians or Muslims, must ponder in depth on their beliefs, they will find out the tolerance and respect those two great religions can offer. Abuse Reported Report Abuse Show replies (0)Show reply (1) Hide replies (0)Hide reply (1) Loading replies Name withheld Mr D Leslie October 25, 2010 10:01 AM This comment is hidden because you have chosen to ignore Mr D Leslie. Show DetailsHide Details Whilst there is evidence that some groups/people take offence on behalf of others who they do not represent (a councillor up here complained about a Tayside Police information brochure that included a picture of a dog, which Muslims may, or may not, consider unclean), there are indications that some religious groups/sections who do not wish to comply with the laws of the land, or who wish to impose their beliefs on others. One indication was the Muslim who stated that if his wife was not forced to wear a Burka in public he would not let her out of the house. As others have said, multiculturalism has failed, not just in this country, but just about everywhere. Governments need to accept this and promore assimilation as the way forward. Abuse Reported Report Abuse Show replies (0)Show reply (1) Hide replies (0)Hide reply (1) Loading replies Name withheld christine blackshaw October 25, 2010 10:03 AM This comment is hidden because you have chosen to ignore christine blackshaw. Show DetailsHide Details If the disgruntled and unhappy Muslim youth don't like our lifestyle, then they should be pioneers as were their grandparents in coming here, and make new lives for themselves in Muslim countries. Abuse Reported Report Abuse Show replies (0)Show reply (1) Hide replies (0)Hide reply (1) Loading replies Name withheld TB October 25, 2010 10:08 AM This comment is hidden because you have chosen to ignore TB. Show DetailsHide Details 'ensuring Christian values are upheld' Wouldn't these values be turning the other cheek, living in tolerance with our neighbours and helping those less fortunate? These values appear to be just what the EDF is fighting against. Abuse Reported Report Abuse Show replies (1)Show reply (1) Hide replies (1)Hide reply (1) Loading replies Name withheld Joannah Yacoub October 25, 2010 10:09 AM This comment is hidden because you have chosen to ignore Joannah Yacoub. Show DetailsHide Details I hate this and hate the use of the Red Cross to further their crackpot programme. There is nothing "Christian" or "English" about these people, and anyway, using the Red Cross of the Knight's Hospitalers or the cross of Saint George is misleading. The Hospitalers were Middle East and Malta based, as well as a major scourge of the Jews at the time and Saint George was a Turk, also based in the Orient. Neither had anything to do with England. This is ignorance on legs and endangers every single aid worker in the Middle East, especially the genuine Red Cross who do fantastic work in very difficult conditions. We should stop this rubbish, even if it means dumping feasts like Saint George's Day and the use of this cross as a symbol, whether for football or anything else as otherwise, we legitimise what is a very nasty organisation. Abuse Reported Report Abuse Show replies (4)Show reply (1) Hide replies (4)Hide reply (1) Loading replies Name withheld San Toi October 25, 2010 10:23 AM This comment is hidden because you have chosen to ignore San Toi. Show DetailsHide Details I suggest we re-name it Purchasemass. Only kidding, I love Chrimbolina, and I think we should preserve it in all its true traditions indefinitely. On the less, pressing issue - how can we take a man in a plastic horror mask seriously - it is a serious subject, but Hannibal Hector here is a joke. Abuse Reported Report Abuse Show replies (0)Show reply (1) Hide replies (0)Hide reply (1) Loading replies Name withheld Joe Ogden October 25, 2010 10:24 AM This comment is hidden because you have chosen to ignore Joe Ogden. Show DetailsHide Details Y does every one here keep comparing the EDL to the BNP the EDL arnt a political party for crying out loud , jus working class people standing up for what we belive in. Why do the MDL or UAF never get bad press when infact the UAF have more arrests than the EDL an tthe MDL spark off 99% of violence .... This country needs to stand up and realise whats goin off!! Abuse Reported Report Abuse Show replies (3)Show reply (1) Hide replies (3)Hide reply (1) Loading replies Name withheld Text October 25, 2010 10:24 AM This comment is hidden because you have chosen to ignore Text. Show DetailsHide Details English lessons should be free, in some cases compulsory, and provided by the state. The minute you speak the language of a country you begin to assimilate and look further than your own community for work and play. Not everyone will have the motivation or courage to do this for themselves so we must hep them or further divide our communities. Abuse Reported Report Abuse Show replies (0)Show reply (1) Hide replies (0)Hide reply (1) Loading replies Name withheld Anthony Hubert October 25, 2010 10:27 AM This comment is hidden because you have chosen to ignore Anthony Hubert. Show DetailsHide Details The thing is that people turn a blind eye, the media included, to the fact that muslims believe in the message that Jesus Christ sent as he is one of the central prophets in Islam. Hence Christmas, whether the date is set wrongly or rightly, is also a time for celebration amongst muslims. So please don't set this move by misguided councils down at door of those who follow the Islamic faith. Abuse Reported Report Abuse Show replies (0)Show reply (1) Hide replies (0)Hide reply (1) Loading replies Name withheld daniel case October 25, 2010 10:31 AM This comment is hidden because you have chosen to ignore daniel case. Show DetailsHide Details You can't say they are wrong. After 13 years under the loony left wing this country is overrun with Muslims many of who want to change our way of life. Many town councils pandering to them. I used to be moderate and believe racism to be wrong but after 13 years of Labour ramming it down my neck I am ready to take to the streets to defend my way of life. If my local council decided to change the name of Christmas they would be in very big trouble for sure. Abuse Reported Report Abuse Show replies (0)Show reply (1) Hide replies (0)Hide reply (1) Loading replies Name withheld Roy Marsh October 25, 2010 10:31 AM This comment is hidden because you have chosen to ignore Roy Marsh. Show DetailsHide Details Please, everyone, whatever your views on multiculturalism, or religious identity, please don't give credibility to a gang of thugs, who wear masks, and act from simple hatred and paranoia. Let them speak but then denounce them for the idiotic minority they are while the rest of us carry the torch of a just and tolerant society. Abuse Reported Report Abuse Show replies (1)Show reply (1) Hide replies (1)Hide reply (1) Loading replies Name withheld Liam B---- October 25, 2010 10:55 AM This comment is hidden because you have chosen to ignore Liam B----. Show DetailsHide Details I'm not racist. Although after 13 years of Labour, i can believe their cause and would not be surprised to find them having a lot of (secret) support.. The average UK person is put into 2nd or 3rd place beneath everyone else who is not British. Our OAP's starve whilst failed asylum seekers are given their sons/daughters tax money to pay for their 20 kids. All of whom do not work or do not pay taxes. You couldnt make it up! Abuse Reported Report Abuse Show replies (5)Show reply (1) Hide replies (5)Hide reply (1) Loading replies Name withheld Paul Collins October 25, 2010 10:59 AM This comment is hidden because you have chosen to ignore Paul Collins. Show DetailsHide Details So finally we get to see the face of hate and bigotry in this country was he too scared to show his face or is his acne bad at the moment I think he should move to Germany more chances of becoming prison fodder over there. This hatred of Muslims and foreigners is nothing new it's been around since the crusades may be one day they will realize that purity is from within not something you can create Abuse Reported Report Abuse Show replies (1)Show reply (1) Hide replies (1)Hide reply (1) Loading replies Name withheld Sally Barrett October 25, 2010 11:11 AM This comment is hidden because you have chosen to ignore Sally Barrett. Show DetailsHide Details I find it infuriating that once again the EDL is labeled as extreem far right. I am neither extreem far right nor have I ever been to a football match and yet they have my full support! It is time that the political parties realised that the people are getting sick of all of their PC madness. I just wish a newspaper would actually look in to the true facts and maybe grow a pair of testicles and do a report on Muslims & sharia law that is already in place in OUR country. Abuse Reported Report Abuse Show replies (0)Show reply (1) Hide replies (0)Hide reply (1) Loading replies Name withheld Peter Bulmer October 25, 2010 11:59 AM This comment is hidden because you have chosen to ignore Peter Bulmer. Show DetailsHide Details I came across this demonstration as I was walking home from a stroll through Hyde Park yesterday, so unlike most of the people posting comments here I actually witnessed what went on (and photographed it.). So, for what it's worth: Yes, a couple of the EDL demonstrators were wearing masks. They explained that this was because the police had a photographic unit taking close up shots of everyone in the demo. For the same reason, many of the demonstrators in the small Anti-Fascist counter-demo also hid their faces with masks and scarves. The demo was tiny - a couple of hundred people at most, and the demonstrators were easily outnumbered by the uniformed police who penned them in and sealed off all the side streets from the Israeli embassy up to the middle of Kensington High Street.. God knows what that cost in overtime payments. I saw no violence at all from either the EDL or the Anti-Fascist demonstrators, though the A-F demonstrators attempted a half-hearted surge towards the EFL pen when a speaker started quoting passages from the koran. I was astonished to see that the EDL demo apparently included representatives of the Jewish community and homosexual groups. Bloggers have criticised EDL leader Lennon (or whatever his name is) for his poor grammar - it was noticeable that during his speech he stumbled over quite a few words and had difficulty reading his notes, so I assume that he is mildly dyslexic or nervous about public speaking (or both). Abuse Reported Report Abuse Show replies (0)Show reply (1) Hide replies (0)Hide reply (1) Loading replies Name withheld SWF66 October 25, 2010 12:02 PM This comment is hidden because you have chosen to ignore SWF66. Show DetailsHide Details "[The EDL] would be a lobbyist movement aimed at threatening legislators." That's a very charitable way of describing veiled threats of violence if the EDL don't get their way. That's not lobbying, that's racketeering. Abuse Reported Report Abuse Show replies (2)Show reply (1) Hide replies (2)Hide reply (1) Loading replies Name withheld Peter Evans October 25, 2010 12:05 PM This comment is hidden because you have chosen to ignore Peter Evans. Show DetailsHide Details Sometimes natives have to assimilate to the newcomers' way of life - to that of Romans, Celts, Saxons, Danes and Normans. Tribes already abound in Britain and Northern Ireland:- protestants, catholics, Welsh and most certainly Scots. Who woukl ban the kilt with its accompaniments? My American grandson is Jewish. My mother's family has lived in the same place for more than 500 years, and their name is Saxon in origin. My Danish wife had a bent finger which is said to have been the genetic fault of a true Viking. People assert identity in response to the threat to it - through territory, languge, religion and costume. Anthems and flags demonstrate identity on football grounds and elsewhere, and the ex-chairman of one club told me that the scattering of fans' ashes at the ground had to be banned. . Abuse Reported Report Abuse Show replies (1)Show reply (1) Hide replies (1)Hide reply (1) Loading replies Name withheld Darren Ali October 25, 2010 12:10 PM This comment is hidden because you have chosen to ignore Darren Ali. Show DetailsHide Details The EDL and all the supporters can expect major opposition to their action and ideology. If those so upset by multi-culturalism step foot into a curry/chinese restaurant or travel abroad then they are exposed as ignorant and hypocritical. Racist? no. I agree with people integrating however, this should be allowed to happen naturally as it has all over the country and of which I am a product. I love football and find it tragic that it has been hijacked in this insidious manner. Abuse Reported Report Abuse Show replies (5)Show reply (1) Hide replies (5)Hide reply (1) Loading replies Name withheld Claude Lombart October 25, 2010 12:32 PM This comment is hidden because you have chosen to ignore Claude Lombart. Show DetailsHide Details 72% of the British population have declared their allegiance to Christian values, according to the National Census. This is our history and our culture. The minority of other religions can live peacefully in this country so long as they don't dictate to the majority how to live their lives. We allow mosques to be built in the UK, how many Moslem countries in the Middle East and Gulf region would reciprocate and allow Christian churches to be built in their countries. There isn't a single Christian church in Saudi Arabia and Christians there do not enjoy a fraction of the freedom that Moslems enjoy in the UK. Abuse Reported Report Abuse Show replies (1)Show reply (1) Hide replies (1)Hide reply (1) Loading replies Name withheld Miles Lynn October 25, 2010 12:45 PM This comment is hidden because you have chosen to ignore Miles Lynn. Show DetailsHide Details I am actually already considering leaving this country although I am British. Why ? Because myself (very British and paying lots of tax) and my wife (who is from the Far East) see such bigotry and racism in our posh southern market-town. Get rid of these evil bigots or we leave. I wonder what kind of country it would be like if it were left to them and many more like me simply left. One of these nutters, who displays the flag of St. George (was he not from Turkey or Greece?) said my wife should not be living in this country. Frankly, the Authorities are not politically correct - they are basically too weak to deal with these people who seem to think they are superior to others. Abuse Reported Report Abuse Show replies (0)Show reply (1) Hide replies (0)Hide reply (1) Loading replies Name withheld Debbie Davies October 25, 2010 1:23 PM This comment is hidden because you have chosen to ignore Debbie Davies. Show DetailsHide Details The slow drip drip of acceptance of extreme right wing views and politics thinly disguised as making a stand for the good of the country is what lead to people like Hitler gaining power. I see groups like the EDL and other right wing groups and I’m scared of what I’m seeing. By all means be proud of our heritage and history and do not let others take advantage of us but at the same time we must not let this people gain a foothold in our democratic society. The price will be far to high in the long run Abuse Reported Report Abuse Show replies (0)Show reply (1) Hide replies (0)Hide reply (1) Loading replies Name withheld Karen Wood October 25, 2010 1:24 PM This comment is hidden because you have chosen to ignore Karen Wood. Show DetailsHide Details 'Jews have their own equivalent of Sharia courts - nobody objects to these. The reason why this country is Great is down to our ability to accept and learn from other cultures.' However the Jewish population of the UK is far more integrated than other minorities even so some women have difficulties obtaining a 'religious' divorce from their tribunals. The spread of Sharia tribunals is a problem as they will increasingly become a parallel legal system which despite their 'voluntary' nature will for communities become mandatory due to family and social pressure. Sharia law discriminates against women in ways that are directly in contravention of UK law. Sharia and other religious law elevates itself above all other laws and there is no appeal. It must not be allowed to take root and UK law must be asserted as paramount. Further information can be found here http://www.onelawforall.org.uk/ Abuse Reported Report Abuse Show replies (4)Show reply (1) Hide replies (4)Hide reply (1) Loading replies Name withheld Manchester 69 October 25, 2010 1:31 PM This comment is hidden because you have chosen to ignore Manchester 69. Show DetailsHide Details Interesting article, however on the home page the banner above the article reads "Racist? So what?" yet I can find no reference to Mr Lennon stating that within the article? I'm aware that the EDL have Asian and Afro-Caribbean members, so I was suprised to see that as a header to the article. Could someone from the editorial team confirm whether I am missing something or was this just an assumption being reported? Abuse Reported Report Abuse Show replies (1)Show reply (1) Hide replies (1)Hide reply (1) Loading replies Name withheld Claire Skrine October 25, 2010 1:54 PM This comment is hidden because you have chosen to ignore Claire Skrine. Show DetailsHide Details 'They will 'turn the heat on' to ensure Christian values are upheld.' Erm...since when has 'turning the heat on' in the way I think they mean ever been a Christian value? Just another example of mankind trying to justify violent, selfish, tribal actions by pinning it to an ideology or religion. Abuse Reported Report Abuse Show replies (0)Show reply (1) Hide replies (0)Hide reply (1) Loading replies Name withheld Ian Bunn October 25, 2010 2:14 PM This comment is hidden because you have chosen to ignore Ian Bunn. Show DetailsHide Details As an atheiest I find myself rolling my eyes more and more at the stories sprouting from some flavour of religion. People are entitled, however, to practice their religious beliefs without interference. I just wish they would do it from the comfort of their own homes. Abuse Reported Report Abuse Show replies (0)Show reply (1) Hide replies (0)Hide reply (1) Loading replies Name withheld L Frampton October 25, 2010 3:25 PM This comment is hidden because you have chosen to ignore L Frampton. Show DetailsHide Details There is a problem that the English are the only national group that have no representation. Noone to speak on their behalf. We are not even accepted on national form s to exist as an ethnic grouping. No wonder the extremists have a clear field! Abuse Reported Report Abuse Show replies (2)Show reply (1) Hide replies (2)Hide reply (1) Loading replies Name withheld Bullfrog October 25, 2010 4:46 PM This comment is hidden because you have chosen to ignore Bullfrog. Show DetailsHide Details The report above indicates the EDL's concerns with Islam : "In a declaration of “war” with Islamic extremism, the English Defence League has vowed to step up its campaign of hardline protests likely to cause violence on the streets of Britain". Yet the report goes on to say, "The move comes as the EDL held its first high-profile demonstration on the streets of London, outside the Israeli Embassy". Any organisation with issues on multiculturalism will include all races. A paradox that 'anti islamic' issues result in a demonstration outside the Israeli embassy. Abuse Reported Report Abuse Show replies (0)Show reply (1) Hide replies (0)Hide reply (1) Loading replies Name withheld STUART KERR October 25, 2010 5:21 PM This comment is hidden because you have chosen to ignore STUART KERR. Show DetailsHide Details So Muslims need to swear an oath to the queen, flag and country. But what about all the british people who do not accept or support the queen, or British flag. All the scots, welsh, n.irish and many many English? Abuse Reported Report Abuse Show replies (1)Show reply (1) Hide replies (1)Hide reply (1) Loading replies Name withheld John Samuelson October 25, 2010 6:41 PM This comment is hidden because you have chosen to ignore John Samuelson. Show DetailsHide Details I think the reason that extremists like the EDL can exist at all is because as a nation we seem to have stopped taking pride in our history, traditions and culture, as a matter of course. We are to blame. There seems to be a burst of national pride when there is a major football event on, soon to dissipate as the team inevitably crashes out. Too many people also don't realise that in terms of ethnicity, "English" is one of the most mongrel of races, so the historical construct of English identity is even more important. Look at the Scots, Irish, Welsh. As a people they are generally much more conscious of their heritage than we the English. Or Aussies, or Kiwis. If more was done to teach people where they have come from - then more of us might know where we are going and who we want to be, and realise that the people who gravitate to organisations like the EDL are mostly misguided thugs. Abuse Reported Report Abuse Show replies (0)Show reply (1) Hide replies (0)Hide reply (1) Loading replies Name withheld chas dutton October 25, 2010 7:20 PM This comment is hidden because you have chosen to ignore chas dutton. Show DetailsHide Details Even within our indigenous populace there is tribalism and nationalism; a visit to an 'Old Firm' fixture illustrates it perfectly. So what are the chances of integration between ethnic minorities and natives? Abuse Reported Report Abuse Show replies (1)Show reply (1) Hide replies (1)Hide reply (1) Loading replies Name withheld Laurence Wells October 25, 2010 8:26 PM This comment is hidden because you have chosen to ignore Laurence Wells. Show DetailsHide Details Another group of idiots who are guided by ignorances and passion. Their movement is completely lacking in logical basis. While there are immigrants who leech off our society, there are also many others who are highly productive professionals who contribute to society. The same can be said about local, native Britons. Abuse Reported Report Abuse Show replies (0)Show reply (1) Hide replies (0)Hide reply (1) Loading replies Name withheld Matt Pryor October 25, 2010 8:27 PM This comment is hidden because you have chosen to ignore Matt Pryor. Show DetailsHide Details The vast majority of British Muslims are hard working and loyal to the State. Islamism as a political ideology, however, worries a lot of people who are aware of the havoc it is reaping overseas. The other week in Kingston a group of Sufi Muslims received death threats from a local Islamist gang. It's not a far cry from the campaign of terror they are waging in Pakistan and elsewhere. There is a great deal of fear in Muslim communities, with intimidation coming from the "native" groups such as the EDL on one side and Islamist groups on the other. Do we want to put them in a position where they have to choose between these two awful mentalities? Our education secretary, Michael Gove, understands the problem well and has written an excellent book on the subject. Ed Hussein's "The Islamist" is also worth a read, although I disagree with many of his views (particularly Israel). Abuse Reported Report Abuse Show replies (0)Show reply (1) Hide replies (0)Hide reply (1) Loading replies Name withheld Angela Barratt October 25, 2010 9:18 PM This comment is hidden because you have chosen to ignore Angela Barratt. Show DetailsHide Details Ironic really. They want to reclaim Christian values without actually behaving in a Christ-like way. There's more to Christianity than celebrating Christmas. Abuse Reported Report Abuse Show replies (2)Show reply (1) Hide replies (2)Hide reply (1) Loading replies Name withheld Compton Arthur October 25, 2010 9:54 PM This comment is hidden because you have chosen to ignore Compton Arthur. Show DetailsHide Details The Wesminster Government has totally failed the people of the UK. It is time to call last orders on it and the EEC . Abuse Reported Report Abuse Show replies (0)Show reply (1) Hide replies (0)Hide reply (1) Loading replies Name withheld Common Sense October 25, 2010 9:58 PM This comment is hidden because you have chosen to ignore Common Sense. Show DetailsHide Details If this is what it takes to stop the onslaught of our values and the constant islamic pandering circus, then so be it. I applaud them for standing up for the values that they believe in. If we all took note of how strongly they feel, maybe we could have a better life, rather than just paying more tax, doing less, and complaining more. Even speaking english doesnt consititue "integration". Integration is a cultural path, not one of secular society. British Values first. European 2nd. Everything else after that. Anything else is Pandering and losing out identity. Surte they're great workers, and welcoem in the country, but not if they''re going to be put ahead of our own culture, values, tradtions. Bring back Xmas (not winter festival), bring back Baa Baa Black Sheep (not rainbow sheep), and anything else houded out by the PC brigade. Abuse Reported Report Abuse Show replies (0)Show reply (1) Hide replies (0)Hide reply (1) Loading replies Name withheld David Hooper October 25, 2010 10:20 PM This comment is hidden because you have chosen to ignore David Hooper. Show DetailsHide Details So do the likes of Mike think Brits abroad should actually learn to speak a language other than English and dissipate their cultural heritage as they merge into their host society? I suspect not. Like so many he displays the arrogance of the British hypocrite. Abuse Reported Report Abuse Show replies (2)Show reply (1) Hide replies (2)Hide reply (1) Loading replies Name withheld paul clarke October 25, 2010 11:20 PM This comment is hidden because you have chosen to ignore paul clarke. Show DetailsHide Details its in mans nature to fight..........picket lines and football matches and right wing marches are just an excuse for the outbursts and ease of gathering groups of men who just want to indulge in the rush of tribal heritage, after all its all we used to do five hundred years ago..albeit without the leftys Abuse Reported Report Abuse Show replies (0)Show reply (1) Hide replies (0)Hide reply (1) Loading replies Name withheld Dagher Al Sakr October 26, 2010 11:34 AM This comment is hidden because you have chosen to ignore Dagher Al Sakr. Show DetailsHide Details Hell... if they do cancel 'Christmas' even I would be inclined to join the EDL. And I'm Muslim. That's just silly. Abuse Reported Report Abuse Show replies (0)Show reply (1) Hide replies (0)Hide reply (1) Loading replies Name withheld John S West October 26, 2010 2:29 PM This comment is hidden because you have chosen to ignore John S West. Show DetailsHide Details Mr. Reuss expresses the view held by all right thinking people in the UK, and hopefully it will be instrumental in bringing about a peaceful and honest solution to the problems which now beset us. However, that should not allow the previous government to evade it's major responsibility for what has happened. As the "Carriers" debacle disclosed, the last Labour Government was prepared to engage in any deceit, pursue any dishonest policy, which it hoped and believed would produce some electoral advantage over the political and idelogical enemy for which it had a pathological anathema borderring on hate - totally regardless of the welfare and good governence of the country as a whole. Hence the policies of unrestricted immigration and pandering to Islam. The problems created will darken our future for many years ahead, but with honesty of purpose and good judgement I believe that the Coalition should have a reasonable chance of solving them for the benefit of all. Abuse Reported Report Abuse Show replies (0)Show reply (1) Hide replies (0)Hide reply (1) Loading replies |
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