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EDL a broad movement?; tea party, zionism and far right euro parties
Topic Started: Oct 26 2010, 03:43 PM (421 Views)
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Can we just have a discussion on this one, no name calling or arguing the in's and out's of the ideologies. It's not about who supports what, it's just that wer're meant to be a broad movement and we need numbers.

If we align ourselves with far right politics or religious extremism aren't we just keeping people away that would otherwise support us.

It is a personal opinion but i don't want to be under any other flags than the EDL, British and England Flag.

People shouldn't try to force other agendas on our demonstrations; And make it look as though the people there support them.

Wouldn't it be nice to get some mainstream support.

NO NAME CALLING OR ACCUSATIONS PLS.. lets just talk about this

... and before you say you welcome anyone who wants to come and show support, just think about the KKK, nazis or BNP turning up and waving their flags.

anyone can show support but i don't want to be seen supporting anything other than England and the English
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I would not want to stand with far right racists and certainly wouldn't want to stand with any KKK, but if someone wants to vote for BNP, that's their political right, that's freedom of vote, I don't believe that the majority of people who vote for the BNP are racist, that's my opinion.
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Oct 26 2010, 03:54 PM
I would not want to stand with far right racists and certainly wouldn't want to stand with any KKK, but if someone wants to vote for BNP, that's their political right, that's freedom of vote, I don't believe that the majority of people who vote for the BNP are racist, that's my opinion.
errr... what???
you've totally missed the point, try reading it entirely this time and take your time.
i don't care who anyone voted for either
i was saying that an EDL demo should be just that. An EDL demo.
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IMO, "Far right" is being used as an insult to try and categorize us.

Anyone, no matter what there politics can join the EDL as long as they behave when under the banner of EDL. So a BNP member could be an EDL member just as Gordon Brown could be... Well he could?!

This is why the main stream is so scared of the EDL. They cannot put us in to a nice little box...

Point is, we are not about politics, left wing or right wing. We are about a common enemy and stopping them. Allying with other groups who have a common goal is in some cases a good idea and in others bad. That is why the EDL leadership pick and choose very carefully.
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I think the OP is refering to flying Israli flags at demos.

Correct OP?
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uk4ever
Oct 26 2010, 04:01 PM
Ali
Oct 26 2010, 03:54 PM
I would not want to stand with far right racists and certainly wouldn't want to stand with any KKK, but if someone wants to vote for BNP, that's their political right, that's freedom of vote, I don't believe that the majority of people who vote for the BNP are racist, that's my opinion.
errr... what???
you've totally missed the point, try reading it entirely this time and take your time.
i don't care who anyone voted for either
i was saying that an EDL demo should be just that. An EDL demo.
In all fairness mate, there are not many organisations like the EDL, it's a new and fresh idea...

Making links woth people like SIOE, PPV, other euro DLs' the tea party can only bring positivity IMO
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raaina
Oct 26 2010, 04:07 PM
I think the OP is refering to flying Israli flags at demos.

Correct OP?
Personaly I don't think we should 'ally' over with israel. Not becuase I agree or disagree but it will only cause division and issues. If members want to bring Israel, Indian, French flags they should do but the EDL shouldn't be officialy 'picking sides'...
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uk4ever
Oct 26 2010, 04:01 PM
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Oct 26 2010, 03:54 PM
I would not want to stand with far right racists and certainly wouldn't want to stand with any KKK, but if someone wants to vote for BNP, that's their political right, that's freedom of vote, I don't believe that the majority of people who vote for the BNP are racist, that's my opinion.
errr... what???
you've totally missed the point, try reading it entirely this time and take your time.
i don't care who anyone voted for either
i was saying that an EDL demo should be just that. An EDL demo.
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Yes it does matter if someone is far-right/Nazi, just as it matters if people are far-left and communist, as both ideologies are alien to British culture and more importantly traditional British patriotism.

The Tea Party is totally different to the EDL, in the way it is financed and run. The EDL is a true populist united front, run by ordinary people, for ordinary people where as the Tea Party is a popular front capitalising on the concerns of ordinary people but run by the recognised opposition in the US.
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Given that the Islamists see the world as either Dar-al-salaam (them) or Dar-al-harb (everybody else) it isn't a surprise that there is an incredibly diverse array of belief systems that Islam opposes.

Therefore, it makes sense to unite all possible groups who oppose Islamism to form a united front. Inevitably there will be differences within those who oppose Islam, but we either stand together or fall individually.

I disagree entirely with the Tea Party's economic policy but acknowledge their stance on resistance to Islamisation.

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It's really quite simple. The flags of the EDL are the cross of St George or the Union Jack. Any other flags flying at demos are there from others to show SUPPORT for the EDL, not the other way round.

The EDL can support causes outside of England or the UK when the two sides line up clearly as Infidels vs Islam. Israel fits this bill. The media, the politicians and the vast OIC armies of leftie muppets and vagrants (exactly the same crowd who oppose the EDL and slander the EDL from here to eternity) don't want you to realise that Israel's fight is about Islam vs the Rest too.

That's it. End of. Read my long piece here for more details.
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uk4ever,

you say that there should only be British flags. But what do you suggest we do? Do you think we should tell our Jewish supporters, our American supporters etc.. that they cannot bring the flags of their countries because "the EDL only wants British flags at demos"?

The way I see it, we are united against the same enemies; Islamification, radical Islam, Sharia etc... If other people want to bring the flags of their country or religion then that is ok imo. We are a movement for people of all countries religions nationalities etc.. and if they want to represent their countries then I see no problem with that.

And what are you talking about when you talk about the KKK, Nazis and other groups like that? The EDL is for all colours I don't see why they would want to support us. They see us as "Race traitors".

And as for the Tea Party, the Rabbi who came to London has only spoke at one demo, and if EDL supporters don't want to support this Rabbi because of his Tea Party links, then that is ok. It's not like anyone was forced to attend the London demo. There are plenty of other demos to attend.
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I too have reservations about some issues. I support Israel's right to exist, and to defend itself. I do not support the usage of illegal weaponry or collective punishments, both of which are war crimes the state of Israel has committed within the last few years. The EDL has taught me to look at the other side of the argument, and given me a far greater respect for Israel. As I say, I fully believe Israel should defend itself, but it should adhere to international law and international agreements to which it has become a signatory.

As for other groups. The interesting thing about racists supporting our marches is that by doing so, they are standing against racism. In a way at least. The EDL believes racism is not English and should be stopped, so anyone supporting the EDL is supporting a non-racist viewpoint.
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uk4ever
Oct 26 2010, 04:01 PM
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Oct 26 2010, 03:54 PM
I would not want to stand with far right racists and certainly wouldn't want to stand with any KKK, but if someone wants to vote for BNP, that's their political right, that's freedom of vote, I don't believe that the majority of people who vote for the BNP are racist, that's my opinion.
errr... what???
you've totally missed the point, try reading it entirely this time and take your time.
i don't care who anyone voted for either
i was saying that an EDL demo should be just that. An EDL demo.
Ahem, don't bother with your attitude with me, I posted my opinion in which I'm entitled to do so, ok?
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Can someone tell me more about the tea party who are they, what are they protesting against and who is opposing them (are their opponents like the uaf).I don't know much about them so I'd like someone to fill me in on them.
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Oct 26 2010, 07:17 PM
Can someone tell me more about the tea party who are they, what are they protesting against and who is opposing them (are their opponents like the uaf).I don't know much about them so I'd like someone to fill me in on them.
same, id never heard of them till it was on here.
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Oct 26 2010, 07:17 PM
Can someone tell me more about the tea party who are they, what are they protesting against and who is opposing them (are their opponents like the uaf).I don't know much about them so I'd like someone to fill me in on them.
They are a group that is trying to move the US to the center right and to combat what they see as its slip towards a sosalist state. They are largle middle class and have close links to the Republican party tho they are not a part of it as many say, ther demo MO is alot less confentasnal that ours and they tend to be more of a political pressure group than a street demo group.
I think they are a good ally for us as they can give us a lot of good exposer on a globle scale and also show us how to use more covert demo styls. I would increge all of you to visit the forams to check them out for your self i go on one of the US forams most nights and find the a nice bunch :D
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Oct 26 2010, 08:56 PM
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Oct 26 2010, 07:17 PM
Can someone tell me more about the tea party who are they, what are they protesting against and who is opposing them (are their opponents like the uaf).I don't know much about them so I'd like someone to fill me in on them.
They are a group that is trying to move the US to the center right and to combat what they see as its slip towards a sosalist state. They are largle middle class and have close links to the Republican party tho they are not a part of it as many say, ther demo MO is alot less confentasnal that ours and they tend to be more of a political pressure group than a street demo group.
I think they are a good ally for us as they can give us a lot of good exposer on a globle scale and also show us how to use more covert demo styls. I would increge all of you to visit the forams to check them out for your self i go on one of the US forams most nights and find the a nice bunch :D
Can you provide me a link their forums please.
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Yeah, it would be interesting to speak to them.
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Sorry im using my phone so can not post links but if you google tea party it may come up
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Oct 26 2010, 04:01 PM
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Oct 26 2010, 03:54 PM
I would not want to stand with far right racists and certainly wouldn't want to stand with any KKK, but if someone wants to vote for BNP, that's their political right, that's freedom of vote, I don't believe that the majority of people who vote for the BNP are racist, that's my opinion.
errr... what???
you've totally missed the point, try reading it entirely this time and take your time.
i don't care who anyone voted for either
i was saying that an EDL demo should be just that. An EDL demo.
Whilst I am reasonably new here myself I have been here long enough to notice
that the majority of chaps here are very polite to us EDL ladies, even when they disagree.

You Sir, would do well to learn by example.


And here is the link to the US Tea Party Movement
http://teapartypatriots.ning.com/
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Just signed up now I'll tell them about the edl and tell them about this forum.I think making links with the tea party might be good for us.
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I think you mean strengthening links. ;)
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It seems to me that the far left and the far right have one thing in common. They are the only ones with the balls to stand up and defend what they believe in. the middle ground just want to sit there muttering ''I dont talk about religion and polotics'' into their beer, so when two opposing sides come together things are going to get heated. A lot of work could be done before the march before going into the pub I done a recky alway like to know where I am going, watched people making up posters protesting against the EDL so I stopped chatted asked questions. most of them get their information off facebook and know nothing about the forum.
Might be an idea to print cards that direct people to the forum so they can ask their questions.
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Support for Israel by the EDL gets rid of Nazi infiltration, shows lazy fukwits that we are not racists and that we stand by all those who are at the sharp end of fighting the spread of Islamo-fascism. The few Israeli and other flags(rainbow) that are carried at EDL demos give the lie to our detractors attempts to equate the Flag of St George with racism. You can almost see their heads imploding because they can't equate their perception of us as racist thugs with the reality presented to them of a non-racist movement, open to all, who are determined to fight the spread of Islamo-Fascism in our country. That is what has got the liberal elites so worried - because no matter how hard they try we cannot be pigeonholed by them and the real truth of what we are about is getting out to the public despite said elites attempts to constantly smear us in this respect. God bless all English patriots. NS
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uk4ever, another reason why we should allow flags that are not British, allowing the flags of other countries helps us get rid of racists as they will see that people are allowed to join regardless of their nationality.

When you see the flag of another country being flown by someone at an EDL demo, see it as a sign of support from their country.
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Can I just say that I enjoyed seeing the 'rainbow' flags being waved at the last demo, together with the flag of Israel. Seeing photos of that in the national press would warm the cockles of anyone's heart. What an image!
By the way guys, I'm sure most of you know this already, but Pamela Geller has come out in support of the EDL in a major way recently.
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Pamela has supported the EDL from the start. She stuck her neck out early.
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She's really been 'loud and proud' in the last week or so though, check out here website. I know that some media outlets have tried to smear her by associating her with the EDL (who one is led to believe are very unpleasant fellows indeed, blah blah blah) and some media outlets have tried to smear the EDL by associating it with Pamela Geller! And some papers try to smear both at the same time - check this out for example:

http://rapidshare.com/files/426969159/JC_15-10-2010.zip
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The EDL should not be viewed in isolation as being an exclusively UK phenomenon, but rather as contributing to a rapidly growing international movement with the common objective of the preservation of national identities and cultures,and a vehement rejection of hostile immigration and the enforced imposition of alien ideologies on host nations.

The recent electoral successes in Austria and Sweden by political parties of a similar persuasion rather emphasises the point that there is now a clear international dimension to confronting this problem.

It`s therefore perfectly reasonable to assume that alliances could well be formed with parties from such countries, as we are all facing a common evil, and that cooperation would naturally extend to Israel which like ourselves is being confronted by Islamo- fascism.
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Oct 28 2010, 02:20 PM
The EDL should not be viewed in isolation as being an exclusively UK phenomenon, but rather as contributing to a rapidly growing international movement with the common objective of the preservation of national identities and cultures,and a vehement rejection of hostile immigration and the enforced imposition of alien ideologies on host nations.

The recent electoral successes in Austria and Sweden by political parties of a similar persuasion rather emphasises the point that there is now a clear international dimension to confronting this problem.

It`s therefore perfectly reasonable to assume that alliances could well be formed with parties from such countries, as we are all facing a common evil, and that cooperation would naturally extend to Israel which like ourselves is being confronted by Islamo- fascism.
I agree.

Also watch other Western elections over the next five years, especially the USA. There is a swelling of reactionary forces at play.
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I personaly think having flags from other countries is a realy good thing if you make it just about England then automaticaly you have excluded Ireland, Scotland and Wales yet they are part of Britain this is what I love about the EDL we unite people and stand together as one it has broken boundries and created bonds between the uk and abroad so I can't see that as being bad.
I put this in a topic but know one commented not unusual for my threads :D but we are all over Atlas Shrugs Pamela Geller's blog and my Leicester Truth video is aswell I actualy can't think straight since seeing it on there.
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2010/10/busted.html#comment-6a00d8341c60bf53ef0133f56801e6970b
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