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| David Cameron opened the door to a new wave of immigration yesterday; Another pisstake. | |
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| Deleted User | Oct 26 2010, 08:54 AM Post #1 |
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Is David Cameron diluting his pledge to cap immigrants?: EU deal with India threatens British jobs By TIM SHIPMAN Trade ties: Mr Cameron during a previous trip in India. A new EU agreement means that Indian companies could transfer workers to the UK and take British jobs David Cameron opened the door to a new wave of immigration yesterday by signalling that the Government will let businesses bring in more staff from overseas. The Prime Minister told business leaders the planned immigration cap will not ‘impede’ companies recruiting skilled foreign staff. His words brought claims that the Tories are watering down their tough stance on new arrivals to placate the Liberal Democrats. Critics also warned that a Brussels trade deal with India, currently being drawn up, would lead to ‘British jobs for Indian workers’. Under the terms of the deal, Indian companies could transfer staff to the UK with no limit on numbers and no guarantee that the jobs would first be offered to homegrown experts. That could see thousands of Indian workers flock to the UK, making it far more difficult for the Government to keep a stranglehold on numbers. The final details of the level of the immigration cap – a flagship Tory policy – will not be revealed until Christmas. It is expected to lead to a fixed annual limit below 100,000 for non-EU migrants, but Mr Cameron indicated that the number of business transfers of Tier 1, or highly-skilled, migrants is set to rise. Since July there has been a limit of 600 Tier 1 migrants coming to Britain each month. Business leaders have complained that the cap has limited their ability to recruit and transfer the staff they need. More... Prime Minister wins budget cap as price of Brussels treaty Mr Cameron told the CBI conference in London: ‘As we control our borders and bring immigration to a manageable level, we will not impede you from attracting the best talent from around the world.’ Downing Street officials said there was ‘no change’ in the Government’s position. But it appeared to be a concession to Liberal Democrat Business Secretary Vince Cable, who has been vocal in arguing that businesses are losing top talent because of the interim cap. The Prime Minister has said that any immigration cap would not hinder companies ability to employ skilled foreign workers The Migrationwatch campaign group issued a paper yesterday urging the Government to prevent the India deal undermining plans for a cap. The report warned: ‘There is, apparently, to be no limit on numbers. Staff only have to have worked for one year with the Indian company concerned. There is no test to see if a British worker is available. ‘The UK will be the main target of Indian companies, largely for language reasons but also because they are already well established here.’ Some 700 of the 1,200 Indian companies operating in Europe have a presence in the UK. Time to come clean: Sir Andrew Green, chairman of Migrationwatch, says the government needs to explain what is in the new agreement The report goes on: ‘The period that workers are allowed to stay will, in theory, be limited to three years but, in practice, it will be impossible to find and return any who overstay.’ The Department for Business said the free trade deal could pump ‘hundreds of millions’ into the British economy. A spokesman said: ‘Of course we will ensure that any commitments placed on the UK by this agreement will be consistent with the Government’s commitment to reduce net migration.’ But the EU deal is expected to be largely thrashed out at a summit on December 10, before Britain has finalised its own immigration policy. Trade deals are also the responsibility of the unelected European Commission, meaning once the terms are agreed the Government will not be able to change them. Sir Andrew Green, chairman of Migrationwatch, said: ‘It is time the Government came clean about what is in this agreement. There is no point in a limit on economic migration if specialists from India are excluded from the cap by a separate agreement. 'British IT workers are already suffering the impact on jobs of tens of thousands of Indian IT staff working in Britain; we already have 48,000 unemployed British IT specialists.’ The Prime Minister’s comments caused disquiet in Tory ranks. Philip Hollobone, MP for Kettering, said: ‘Britain’s population is heading for 70million by 2030 even with tough measures to bring down the scale of immigration. ‘Any weakening in that approach means the British population will be above 70million and most people feel our country couldn’t cope with a population of that size. ‘We need to break the link between people who are working here and their right to residence. Unless we do that our country will be overwhelmed.’ Explore more: Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1323773/Is-David-Cameron-diluting-pledge-cap-immigrants.html#ixzz13RulHozJ |
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| raaina | Oct 26 2010, 08:59 AM Post #2 |
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Wow. So Mr Cameron, you make all these cuts from the benefits system and then make millions unemployed and THEN you allow the few jobs that are remaining to potentially go to foreign employees, because they will be cheaper for companies to hire and employ. Frankly, I am appalled. Edited by raaina, Oct 26 2010, 09:00 AM.
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They’re sailing for England Oh! What a shame! Someone is after our island again We’ll let them have it… Oh, yes we will! But maybe they won’t want it when they get the bill! But, who’s sticking in here? Who will defend every inch of England no matter what they send? Who’s standing firm in our own front yard? The soldiers of the old home guard | |
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| Deleted User | Oct 26 2010, 09:14 AM Post #3 |
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First off I'm not defending Cam but I understand that he intended the comment to read more along the lines of: We want to attract people to the UK who have skills that we need, not more taxi drivers and kebab shop workers. In the past if the level of immagration had not been met by skilled workers they would allow anyone in who had a "skill". Even if said skill was picking there nose or more likely bomb making. Cam is trying to stop this pointless immigration in favor of skilled immigration. Never a bad thing if you ask me... In small numbers, where there really is a shortage. Its just when politicians take the piss it becomes a problem. However it seems the press have twisted this, as per normal. However I could be totally wrong ![]() This will be a real deal breaker for the government. |
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| Deleted User | Oct 26 2010, 09:45 AM Post #4 |
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Don't tell me even Cameron needs an interpreter now as well!
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| ENUFisENUF | Oct 26 2010, 09:58 AM Post #5 |
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Skilled immigration from non muslim countries is fine on the proviso that the immigrants are told to start with that they can only stay 5 years and cannot scrounge any benefits from the system. If, after five years they need to stay on, they must reapply through the correct channels or go home. Also, during the first five years that accompanies the first wave of skilled immigrants, the British education system should be tailored to be able to train the indigenous population to be able to perform this skilled labour itself. |
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| Eeedl | Oct 26 2010, 10:33 AM Post #6 |
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Call me dave is a spineless jellyfish. On the issue of skilled jobs the government should take people who are out of work,train them and then they can apply for high paid high skilled jobs. |
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| lancashirelad | Oct 26 2010, 11:04 AM Post #7 |
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Thats right Eeedl British people should be trained up and given the jobs first, the first job of any government is to protect its own citizens. To think we had an Empire and built railways and bridges round the world, and if there is a lack of British skills whos fault is that, its the fault of government and business over the last 30 years or so who have destroyed British industry and abandoned millions of Britons to live on sink, drug and crime infested estates. Labour keep these areas quiet by giving countless benefits and the tories will just leave them to starve, i just hope the British masses start to wake up with whats happening to Britain. And another thing, the EU is to blame with all the regulations, nearly every job needs some sort of ticket or certificate. Theres been many jobs ive done in the past, and when i see a similar job advertised i need some sort of ticket and certificate which before was not needed (yet another barrier), which if you got yourself would cost hundreds to get. So how some of these foreign workers come straight into our job market is very fishy in my opinion. Edited by lancashirelad, Oct 26 2010, 11:12 AM.
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| Deleted User | Oct 26 2010, 09:02 PM Post #8 |
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It may have something to do with companies having to meet their percentage of ethnic employment targets and not being able to do it from the unskilled/unemployable ethnics already here. So they have to fill their quota from other countries. You also have to ask why the governments of these countries are allowing their skilled workers to leave. Surely they don't have enough doctors etc for their own countries. |
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| Deleted User | Oct 26 2010, 09:09 PM Post #9 |
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The country is bursting at the seams we have foreign doctors working as taxi drivers and our expensively trained doctors are having to move out of the country to find work. I don't believe for a minute that we need to import thousands of skilled workers from abroad, it's bullshit, are they telling us that in the whole of the EU we can't find these skilled workers? |
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| scotsguy | Oct 26 2010, 09:16 PM Post #10 |
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I don't believe for a minute that we need to import thousands of skilled workers from abroad, hear,hear ruby!....thousands of our own workers will need the jobs soon. cameron wants to let 70 million turks into europe too!....that would be a complete disaster!. |
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| raaina | Oct 26 2010, 09:17 PM Post #11 |
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Spot on Ruby! I think you should write to Mr Cameron!
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They’re sailing for England Oh! What a shame! Someone is after our island again We’ll let them have it… Oh, yes we will! But maybe they won’t want it when they get the bill! But, who’s sticking in here? Who will defend every inch of England no matter what they send? Who’s standing firm in our own front yard? The soldiers of the old home guard | |
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| Deleted User | Oct 26 2010, 09:20 PM Post #12 |
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Had too many beers to read through all of the thread but believe me that CVs from Indians in top skilled jobs are not worth the bits they email. Their degrees and education and their experience mean nothing here. Its nothing to do with if they are qualified but pure and simply down to communication. I had an email about 6 months ago from a guy in India who's CV was telling me about what his dad did for a living. Not only that, he was trying to use his Fathers position to say ""give me the job" Total mismatch and there is no way he would have survived! |
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| 1Pat | Oct 26 2010, 09:32 PM Post #13 |
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It’s all to do with attracting investment and providing sufficient experience / expertise to foreign workers at the expense of the indigenous workforce. I know several Honours Graduates who are doing unskilled work at the moment just to make ends meet. |
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| Eeedl | Oct 26 2010, 09:43 PM Post #14 |
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The reason the governme pander to big corporations is because the people at the top of them donate millions to the poltical parties |
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| Deleted User | Oct 26 2010, 10:02 PM Post #15 |
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enough said. |
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| Caractacus | Oct 26 2010, 10:10 PM Post #16 |
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Isn't it about time we just get the fcuk out the EU? doesn't seem to do anything but cause problems, and has done since I can rememer. cause problems for US that is, not the immigrants who are the one the EU was really set up for... Edited by Caractacus, Oct 26 2010, 10:11 PM.
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British by birth, English by the grace of God. “St George he was for England, and before he killed the dragon, he drank a pint of English ale, out of an English flagon.” "In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot." | |
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| ste-plaza | Oct 26 2010, 10:21 PM Post #17 |
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Just read this and gotten indegestion. And Ruby you best write to cam/clag tell him like it is. Peace Ste |
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| AQH | Oct 26 2010, 10:56 PM Post #18 |
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I'm beginning to develop a tinfoil hat level conspiracy paranoia here. It just seems so.. so.. planned? By whom and why? Follow the money trail, as they say.. |
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| Deleted User | Oct 27 2010, 05:34 PM Post #19 |
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the EU more than likely^ |
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