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Gay respect for the EDL
Topic Started: Oct 25 2010, 05:50 PM (1,282 Views)
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This is a thank you note from an old poof to the lads and lasses of the EDL. I watched the videos and the excellent photos of the demo supporting Israel in front of the Israeli Embassy October 24, and I noticed that the gay and lesbian element was represented by rainbow flags, pink triangles, and a pink Union Jack denouncing homophobia.

A lot of people have noted that yesterday's demo was perhaps the first time a mainly non-Jewish crowd showed up to voice their support for Israel. By the same token, it is interesting to note that an overwhelmingly straight crowd included rainbow flags and gay symbols.

I KNOW that the vast majority of EDL members are straight. And I am not so innocent as to believe that everyone in the EDL is 100% comfortable around gay people. I am sure there are some homophobes amng you. If you are one of them, and if you can rise above that to accept gay and lesbian people in your organization, then I respect and admire you even more. Because your toleration of gay members proves that you are genuinely devoted to our western concepts of freedom and respect for individual rights. My hat is off to you.

In the eighteenth century, the author Voltaire stated: "I disagree with what you say but I will defend to the death your right to say it." This statement, which is incomprehensible to Islam, is the esssence of our western concept of freedom and individual rights.

"I don't like fcukin' poofs but they have a right to exist and be happy in a free country" is in my opinion just as noble a sentiment as that expressed by Voltaire.

Under Islam and Sharia law, gays are executed, lashed, imprisoned or "honour killed" by their families of by jail guards bribed by the family. The gay presence at the Israeli Embassy demo was very appropriate because Israel is a beacon of freedom in a sea of homophobia. Palestinian gays regularly flee to Israel for freedom and for their very survival.

I am sick and tired of being told by bleeding hearts that the murderous homophobia in Islam is a just a charming part of their culture that we have to respect.

If I am ever in London, I hope to meet some EDL lads and lasses and buy them a beer.
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good post mate :)
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Valteron good point that. I stand with Voltaire.

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I'm a straight man and If somebody had told me a month ago that I would have been holding two big sticks, one with a pink Union Jack and one with a rainbow flag in the middle of London with hundreds of cameras around me, I would have said....... Damn right I will.... we're all in this together.
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Valteron -I shall happily let you buy me a pint but would be overjoyed if you bought me the pinkest, campest cocktail in the whole of Old Compton Street!

Gay or straight, Shariah threatens our hard won freedoms.

Cameron was clearly refering to the EDL when he said we are all in it together.
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If I'm totally honest, poofs give me the heeby-jeebies. I don't have any gay friends (at least they're not admitting it ha) and I always feel uncomfortable when I meet feminine acting men. However, what poofs do in their bedroom us entirely up to them. It don't bother me at all. Each to their own I say.

The problem with our society isn't gays, it's homophobic, murdering terrorist bastards who want to impose their stinking way of life on the rest of us!
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Good post mate. Your term the old poof reminded me of a dear man I used to know who has saddly passed, he used to come into the pub and say alright lads and when he was safe with his friends (all straight) it was '' Well my dears what a day I have had '' always called himself the old poof or the old queen. Fond memories thanks for bringing them back
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I was standing with the gay division yesterday having pint and chatting before the demo, when one guy came over and said "my son is gay and I'm here for him as well and I respect you standing up and being counted". The right wing Nazi bollox is really wearing thin and people can now see that as tripe because what else can they say to try and discredit us? They attack people on an individual basis but I'm afraid we much more than any individual and we are not going away! I'd gladly have a sea breeze with you the only pink drink I know!
My sea breeze story, we were in Covent Garden bar once and one of the American guys I was with ordered a pitcher of Sea Breeze, first time I'd had it, nice drink and pink.
There was a group of lads in there and one had to come over and say "are you lot a bunch of Poofs?" he didn't see Rick sitting on a stool a huge 6 7" ex ice hockey pro, who stood up and looked down on him and said "Yep buddy, why are looking for some action".. The guy shat himself and scurried off.
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If you ever make it out to Israel give me a shout, I'm sure we can find a Campari and soda with an umbrella in it :). Hell yeah this is the only place in the Middle East where homosexuality is tolerated, and more! Did you know that transexual Dana International (her real name, yes she who won Eurovision in Manchester) is a judge on Israeli Pop Idol (called "A Star Is Born")?

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Good for you mate, I'm probably a bit uncomfortabvle around them if theres loads...like Brighton but I don't care what consenting adults get up to its none of my business....until the pc lot start introducing books at school "promoting" it.

Got a couple of mates who are that way inclined but its not in the open......thing is they are quite "handy" lads and not at all camp... we just never bring the subject up....anyway like I said they are just my mates...not my business what they get up to....besides I never even twigged for years before one of our other mates pointed it out to me...must admit I was in shock for a while but then after I thought....how could I NOT have known!!!!it was obvious to most people but not me.
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and I forgot to say my younger brother is gay, so whatever my preconceptions were that is all history, how can I still not love my brother because he is gay?
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Gay people are very welcome in Saudi Arabia and Gaza. No really they are!!!


only joking, my sick sense of humour.
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Great post Valteron.

Still think Tower Hamlets needs a Gay Parade.
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my nephew is a gay, stylish, toned, twenty-something. gay pride? you bet! :D
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A man can put his pecker in an uncooked ham for all I care :D welcome mate! And good post, like someone has said, we're all in this together, gay or staright, black and White :)
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Thankyou for your support and a great post.

My adored sons are gay.
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I am a straight lass. I treat all makes and models with the same respect, and it would never enter my head not to love or respect any of my family (and friends) because of their sexuality, so no social stigmas at this end!

Everyone needs protection from Islam, in my opinion.
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Wellcome to the site mate

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Good post, Valteron and many a true word spoken. It's the EDL members that make the EDL so unique as we have every shade and persuasion from so many different backgrounds.

@1Pat: TH is a long way for me but, if ever an EDL LGBT Div demo was announced and I would get there one way or another, no-one could stop me!

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Oct 25 2010, 06:11 PM
If I'm totally honest, poofs give me the heeby-jeebies. I don't have any gay friends (at least they're not admitting it ha) and I always feel uncomfortable when I meet feminine acting men. However, what poofs do in their bedroom us entirely up to them. It don't bother me at all. Each to their own I say.

The problem with our society isn't gays, it's homophobic, murdering terrorist bastards who want to impose their stinking way of life on the rest of us!
Black Jack, I totally respect you. It is easy to be tolerant and to stand up for the rights of people one likes. But to stand up for the rights of people who give you the heebie-jeebies is the true test of one who understands and is willing to defend our western heritage of freedom and equality.

By the way, feminine acting men get on my nerves too, and I am gay. You probably know a LOT more gays than you realize since I have found that about 90% of us are hard to detect, because we are not effeminate. I was mainly joking when I called myself a poof. Sometimes I find screaming poofs funny, but some of them can get tiresome. Then again, there are all kinds of people who get on our nerves. People who talk too much or too loud, or people who brag, for example. Some people would be bothered to learn that a man and woman like anal sex, for example. Or bondage and leather. But both you and I, Black Jack, would oppose any laws persecuting consenting adults for their sexual preferences. This is part of our western values.

A Jewish historian named Max Dimont said something about disliking Jews that I can apply to gays (or to any other group): Gays cannot expect to be universally loved any more than any other group. But if you don't like someone, you don't associate with that person. You don't demand that that person be hanged, persecuted by law, stoned, imprisoned, banished, gassed, exterminated, etc.

That is the difference between the West and Islam. Maybe someday your heebie-jeebies will go away, and maybe they won't. Either way, I respect your right to your opinion, and you respect my right to exist free and happy, and to be who I am, in our society. Thanks for being who you are, Black Jack.
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I wish more gay men would look to the EDL to help us in our fight to retain our rights. No other organisation is recognising the threat we face from the advance of Islam.


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Oct 25 2010, 08:03 PM
I wish more gay men would look to the EDL to help us in our fight to retain our rights. No other organisation is recognising the threat we face from the advance of Islam.

That is the part that gets me. I am sick and tired of being told that the virtual holocaust of gays all over the Islamic world, the beating up of gay people by gangs of Muslim thugs in western cities, and the generalized homophobia in Islam are the moral equivalent of the fact that some people in the west may be uncomfortable around gay people, or may be against redifining marriage to include same-sex couples.

Bleeding hearts have responded to my Youtube messages to say that not every Muslim is homophobic, or that there is homophobic bigotry in the west. This kind of relativist argument is bullsh1t. It is like saying that Britain in 1939 was as bad as Nazi Germany because there were some British who were anti-semites.

To be sure, there are absolutely hate-filled people in the west like Fred Phelps and his Westboro Baptist Church. But Fred Phelps is just a marginal nut-case that almost all Americans, conservative or liberal, gay or straight, despise. In the Muslim world, the ideas of Fred Phelps calling for the execution of gays would be considered good, orthodox, mainstream Islamic doctrine. A tad harsh, maybe, but perfectly Islamic.
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don't really know any gays now myself (if i do their not letting on). knew a few some years back and they were ok. but no gays have ever threatened to kill me or to destroy my way of life. we are all in this together against the common foe.
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Great post Valteron and thank you too for taking the time to write it. ;)

We are all in this together mate.

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It seems to me that the left have abandoned gay rights to accommodative the new hip and trendy "Sharia love in", gay rights is so yesterday's chip papers in their eyes. They can't champion both can they? Best to forget about the stonings and hangings from public buildings of gay men in seven countries in the World under Sharia law, just in case they upset their new warm, fuzzy, cuddly Jihad friends.
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Oct 25 2010, 08:29 PM
don't really know any gays now myself (if i do their not letting on). knew a few some years back and they were ok. but no gays have ever threatened to kill me or to destroy my way of life. we are all in this together against the common foe.
I could joke that the statistics show that 1 in 10 men are gay, so that if you don't know of any gays among your friends then it must be you, but I won't.
Instead I will say that in this country it is now a person's choice to disclose their sexuality or not. Nobody is forced to hide because of the law. Sexuality can remain private if one chooses. Freedom is having that choice. Freedom is what we are fighting for.

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Oct 25 2010, 08:36 PM
It seems to me that the left have abandoned gay rights to accommodative the new hip and trendy "Sharia love in", gay rights is so yesterday's chip papers in their eyes. They can't champion both can they? Best to forget about the stonings and hangings from public buildings of gay men in seven countries in the World under Sharia law, just in case they upset their new warm, fuzzy, cuddly Jihad friends.
The left seem to have abandoned many.

Also where are all the feminists in all this?

Have they just blended into ????
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don't really know any gays now myself (if i do their not letting on). knew a few some years back and they were ok. but no gays have ever threatened to kill me or to destroy my way of life. we are all in this together against the common foe.
I could joke that the statistics show that 1 in 10 men are gay, so that if you don't know of any gays among your friends then it must be you, but I won't.
Instead I will say that in this country it is now a person's choice to disclose their sexuality or not. Nobody is forced to hide because of the law. Sexuality can remain private if one chooses. Freedom is having that choice. Freedom is what we are fighting for.
lol, i think they did that joke in biffa bacon in viz a few years back.
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Probably. I am always nicking other people's jokes.

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The left of today have abandoned homosexuals and Islam is the new thing they want to protect.

One of the great things about the EDL is that we support anyone that Islam hates. We won't abandon the homosexuals the Left of today have. The same with Jews, they have also been abandoned by the left.

We are all in this together, gays, straight people, Christians, Sikhs etc... all against one enemy.
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The left started to lose interest in the mid '90's when they realised not all gays were potential socialists and we had an agenda that was clear cut and were not prepared to be side-tracked.

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Oct 25 2010, 08:55 PM
The left started to lose interest in the mid '90's when they realised not all gays were potential socialists and we had an agenda that was clear cut and were not prepared to be side-tracked.
That is one of the reasons I am against the left of today.

They choose who they want to support. Like I said before, the EDL's support for homosexuals, Jews etc.. is not going to change.
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The more gays the merrier, our demos could do with some stylish dressers ;-)

I could never understand why some people even feel uncomfortable round gays. Unless a gay guy is overtly coming on to you and not taking no for an answer it's a totally irrational fear. Last I checked gay wasn't contagious.
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It's shocking to hear how gay people are treated by Sharia and Islamic law... sad that some people feel uncomfortable being around them, they should feel uncomfortable with themselves having those negative thoughts...
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Some excellent honest posts here. A demo in Old Compton Street itself? That would be one huge fcuking partay!!!

Good to see you back and postng again, Valteron.
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Oct 25 2010, 09:19 PM
The more gays the merrier, our demos could do with some stylish dressers ;-)

I could never understand why some people even feel uncomfortable round gays. Unless a gay guy is overtly coming on to you and not taking no for an answer it's a totally irrational fear. Last I checked gay wasn't contagious.
Was reason is when I was 18 me and a m8 went to Crete, end of season cheapy and it was raining one day so we stopped in the hotel bar getting drunk, started a convo with a couple of older fellas who seemed okay so we was drinking with them and got even more drunk. As me and my m8 (1st holdiday) were sharing a room we thought nothing of it when they said they had some ouzo in their room so seemed like a good idea.....hadn't been in the room 5 mins when one of them made it plainly obvious they was gay and interested in group action!!!

....fcuking hell the penny dropped and so did my stomach, we looked at each other for a split second and bolted both getting stuck in the door on the way out....it was like Billy Connolly's description of being in the water when JAWS attacked...we was knocking each other out the way to get in front.

so that shook us up at bit....you can hardly balme me, can you???
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ENUFisENUF
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The more gays the merrier, our demos could do with some stylish dressers ;-)

I could never understand why some people even feel uncomfortable round gays. Unless a gay guy is overtly coming on to you and not taking no for an answer it's a totally irrational fear. Last I checked gay wasn't contagious.
Was reason is when I was 18 me and a m8 went to Crete, end of season cheapy and it was raining one day so we stopped in the hotel bar getting drunk, started a convo with a couple of older fellas who seemed okay so we was drinking with them and got even more drunk. As me and my m8 (1st holdiday) were sharing a room we thought nothing of it when they said they had some ouzo in their room so seemed like a good idea.....hadn't been in the room 5 mins when one of them made it plainly obvious they was gay and interested in group action!!!

....fcuking hell the penny dropped and so did my stomach, we looked at each other for a split second and bolted both getting stuck in the door on the way out....it was like Billy Connolly's description of being in the water when JAWS attacked...we was knocking each other out the way to get in front.

so that shook us up at bit....you can hardly balme me, can you???
.....and you can hardly blame then either. They must have been just as uncomfortable for mis-reading the situation. 9 times out of 10 there is nothing in a man's manner to indicate they are gay, so we have to rely on the "ol'gaydar" which is not always accurate and is often distorted through alcohol...some blokes won't after 4 pints but will after 5. ^o)

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Great post Valteron.
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No excuses Slodger they knew what they was doing my mate was engaged at the time and we was oggling girls downstairs....I defo DO NOT give off any gay signals!!!
IMHO they was after young lads (buying more rounds)...gay or straight once they can't of been mistaken as to our sexuality ...they should've left it there and then.
If I know a girls a lesbian I don't make it my business to try it on...and I don't think you would find that acceptable as well.
btw......I'd consider it for a £1,000,000 ;o)
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No excuses Slodger they knew what they was doing my mate was engaged at the time and we was oggling girls downstairs....I defo DO NOT give off any gay signals!!!
IMHO they was after young lads (buying more rounds)...gay or straight once they can't of been mistaken as to our sexuality ...they should've left it there and then.
If I know a girls a lesbian I don't make it my business to try it on...and I don't think you would find that acceptable as well.
btw......I'd consider it for a £1,000,000 ;o)
You should be flattered, Gay men are usually more picky then women!
I've been chatted up twice, once in San Francisco with my mates, o.k a bit green here we didn't know we were in a gay bar and another time in at a drag show in Gran Canaria. Mind you it was 10 years ago... were is that damn gym membership card? All you have is say is sorry I am straight, but you will be surprised how many men swing both ways and you would never know they did.
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No excuses Slodger they knew what they was doing my mate was engaged at the time and we was oggling girls downstairs....I defo DO NOT give off any gay signals!!!
IMHO they was after young lads (buying more rounds)...gay or straight once they can't of been mistaken as to our sexuality ...they should've left it there and then.
If I know a girls a lesbian I don't make it my business to try it on...and I don't think you would find that acceptable as well.
btw......I'd consider it for a £1,000,000 ;o)
Yes they should have left it once you had oggled the girls. All a bit predatory for me. I make my sexuality known from the first, saves any such misunderstandings. Shame on them.


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yeah m8, we are agreed ;o)

...and what about the million quid offer???......any takers....cash up front of course!!! heh heh
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yeah m8, we are agreed ;o)

...and what about the million quid offer???......any takers....cash up front of course!!! heh heh
So it's agreed, unitedcolours, you're a rent boy! Now we're just haggling over the price? :D
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:O :'( :$ okay I"ll leave it there............!!! :D
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you know all the talk has been about homosexualls.or have i missed some ones post with lesbians,by-sexualls in it?
i will stand by the lot of them in this cause,for their right.even though i dont go for it.So i can go for the volatiar opening,line.the evil that will shroud the world with hate ,murder,ect.......is far greater than what the staight/by/lesbian ect can do to the world.

keep the faith

paxi :)

i dont know why i should feel like putting this,maybe because some get off the rails when you say you dont gree with them,but i also have two homosexual mates they are good,kind considerate people.
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Well said valteron I have relatives and friends who are gay. each to their own, live and let live.
I think we should put this slogan on a banner at the next demo
"I disagree with what you say but I will defend to the death your right to say it. BUT Islam won't"
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I'm a straight man and If somebody had told me a month ago that I would have been holding two big sticks, one with a pink Union Jack and one with a rainbow flag in the middle of London with hundreds of cameras around me, I would have said....... Damn right I will.... we're all in this together.
Well done that man
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I'm a straight man and If somebody had told me a month ago that I would have been holding two big sticks, one with a pink Union Jack and one with a rainbow flag in the middle of London with hundreds of cameras around me, I would have said....... Damn right I will.... we're all in this together.
Well done that man
Holding two big what?!!!....Oh, sticks! I should get new bins!!! :D


All jokes aside, mate you are spot on. We must all stick together against the common enemy, no matter what race, religion or sexual orientation we are. Radical Islam must not be allowed to make any more inroads.
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Was proud on sunday to stand there with the lgbt division and there flags and all other flags that were waving. That's true multiculturalism and unity
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