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| BomberHarris | Oct 24 2010, 10:19 PM Post #1 |
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Am not sure whether some of this shouldn't go on the Angels board but there doesn't seem to be a lot of traffic there so decided to post on here, sorry if it's the wrong place. Have been mulling over a few things since the Leicester Demo. We were listening live to Leicester Radio in the car during the day. To sum it up the presenter seemed really confused. He was talking to either another reporter or a policeman (sorry can't remember) and was asking exactly why where the EDL there - the other chap didn't really know. What did the EDL want - again the other chap wasn't really sure. Also asked if they were affiliated with the UAF - the other chap wasn't really sure about that either. They both sounded a bit clueless really. I know there was some heated debate about the aims just after the Leicester demo and I don't want to upset anyone but couldn't something be done about this kind of confusion? It's a shame to have this type of coverage ( they sounded reasonably non - biased) and not get a message across. Sorry if this makes anyone mad - I know that the aims are fluid and the EDL is taking shape but just had to ask. Also, are there any plans for a different type of demo? Such as a family day or large picnic. It strikes me that over 1,000 mothers and pushchairs all with EDL teddies isn't going to provoke quite the same response from the general public. It can't possibly be seen as provocative and what is more English than a summer picnic with lots of teddies Something like this may encourage more people to join who previously would have stayed away spouting the usual 'thug, racist, yob, drunk' etc. And there's nothing to stop us having lots of pork pies and sausages on sticks there is there! Another thing that sprang to mind was a sort of uniform. Although I am more than happy to display/wear my English flag unfortunately it does make people think of football hooligans - rightly or wrongly. Is there another way we could display Englishness ( is that a word?) without the usual display of the flag. Am NOT suggesting for a minute that we abandon the flag or be ashamed of it at all before I have to hide Just that perhaps something like a bowler hat? A proper English gentlemans hat and maybe a flag on a stick like they have Union Jacks to wave - the sort they have a royal events like the Trooping? Does all this sound a bit lame to the more fearless types? Sorry if it does but with all the bad press a huge sea of Bowler Hats and flags is going to be pretty hard to attack isn't it? And surely the silly a++holes who only attend to make trouble will look pretty silly in their other things if all the EDL are not looking like them?Also thought about a book? A childrens book of English rhymes & hymns/songs. Is there such a thing? For English children. Does anyone think that would be a good idea? Anyway, I appreciate that I have rambled a bit and that there are a few things to respond to and I apologise for the ramble but wasn't sure where to put it all and am a tad tired after a long weekend so be nice...
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| dragon | Oct 24 2010, 10:32 PM Post #2 |
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Yes to all of the above but the uniform there is already the tops hats and stuff. The pic nick could be fun and the flags on sticks would look so funny they are bound to work |
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| Deleted User | Oct 24 2010, 10:38 PM Post #3 |
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Some good ideas, BH. The picnics would have to wait quite a while till the warm weather comes round again so something for Christmas as well would be good in the meantime. I don't know if Press Packs go out to the local media where the demo is to be held but it's been talked about before. Put your ideas to Support, BH.
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| Dutchy | Oct 24 2010, 10:43 PM Post #4 |
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some really great ideas! and ye an edl xmas party would we awesome, upholding christian values and getting the message across. Maybe rent a huge venue and have a massive edl xmas diner
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| The Swine | Oct 24 2010, 10:55 PM Post #5 |
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Political uniforms were banned under the 1936 public order act. |
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| Deleted User | Oct 24 2010, 11:02 PM Post #6 |
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Have you seen the picture posted in the London Demo thread? Please take a look at the different flags there, Rainbow, Pink Union Jack, Union Jack, St. George and a Jewish Flag?? Not your typical England Football match is it? |
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| Deleted User | Oct 24 2010, 11:05 PM Post #7 |
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Our support (On demo days) is approx 99.9% working class. Do you not think telling people what to wear, especially bowler hats might alienate our grass roots support? Also, no offence, but I am really tired of people saying they don't want to be associated with football hooligans, without those football hooligans you would not have an EDL, FACT I've got a great idea, why don't we concentrate and be proud of the people we have got, working-class salt of the earth types, who yes, might be a bit brutal and rough round the edges, but when it comes to them and some middle class little England types who wouldn't cross the road for this country if there wasn't something in it for them, I know who I'd rather have next to me in the trenches. |
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| learning curve | Oct 24 2010, 11:30 PM Post #8 |
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well said, id rather die on my feet than die on my knees, and thats the whole piont,.. the ones who are ready to to stand up are the one's who dont bury their heads in the sand in the hope that it will go away of it's own accord, most of the blue collars either deny this is happenig or will not class themselfs as patriots for our country .. we are peacefull, just the middle, upper class and press would rather attack us instead of getting involved for or freedom just incase they feel like they are tarred with the islamaphobia bollox brush we get painted with... fcuk to them we know why were here.. fight on ns |
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| BomberHarris | Oct 24 2010, 11:40 PM Post #9 |
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Am really sorry, I seem to have caused offence and I really didn't mean to. I wish I could delete the post but I can't. Many of you have been members for a lot longer than I have and I feel like I have spoken out of turn.No more silly ideas, promise.
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| Deleted User | Oct 24 2010, 11:47 PM Post #10 |
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You have some great points, but it's another thing following up though. Send a message with your ideas to the support group. As we mature and more people come on board I am sure there are plenty things we will start doing ;-) |
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| Deleted User | Oct 24 2010, 11:47 PM Post #11 |
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No need to say sorry, you haven't caused me offence anyway, as far as I am concerned anything should be up for debate, but we do I think have to face facts I think |
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| Deleted User | Oct 24 2010, 11:51 PM Post #12 |
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You have nothing to be sorry about you have some good ideas and your ideas are as valid as anyone elses. ![]() As I said earlier put your ideas to Support; Hel Gower or one of the others.
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| learning curve | Oct 24 2010, 11:51 PM Post #13 |
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i dont see any offence caused mate as every opinion counts, chill..
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| BomberHarris | Oct 24 2010, 11:57 PM Post #14 |
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I'm sure that I have a huge amount to learn and of course if I post something public and ask for opinion I must be prepared for criticism from those that understand more. I do come from a working class background, am not middleclass, rich or anything like that but I am a little bit nervous of coming to some of the demos when I see some of the vidoes, it may make me a big girls blouse but hey, I'm a girl. Just because I maybe would protest a different way doesn't mean I couldn't stand my ground in a trench if I had too - relatives of mine have been 21st Hussars & SHAEF officers I can be brave. But like I say, am a bit apprehensive of how strong some of the demos seem. I feel strongly, very strongly am just different I guess.Anwway, I appreciate all things take time and am grateful for the criticisms, good or bad - here's my chin
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| Deleted User | Oct 25 2010, 12:01 AM Post #15 |
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Don't be daft, BH! You're not only thinking but you also thinking in a positive way. I have to say that I like a lot of your points and most have merit but the reality of the situation we face is addressed in VillaLoyal's post. As nice as your points are ( and I do like them), to go totally meek & mild (?) will not make an impression on the government, sad but all too true. EDL would cease to be a force to be reckoned with. The only thing I could suggest is family style meets at a local or regional level but this would be more like 'a day out for the kids' (nothing wrong with that!). You never know, one day, half of the country will openly support the EDL, then we could demonstrate big-time bringing whole cities to a grinding halt - that'll get attenton as whole families, streets and communities would be involved. One day. |
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| Deleted User | Oct 25 2010, 12:06 AM Post #16 |
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The press concentrate on the rough edge of demos, purely because it is newsworthy. The last thing they are going to want to portray is the camaraderie and fraternity of demos. We are there united in a common cause, it really can be breathtaking to experience. Those unruly elements it must be said, do serve a good purpose sometimes, they see off the people trying to intimidate patriots off the streets, they also protect our peaceful members in many cases. People can criticise football hooligans but in my experience they will be the very last to leave someone in trouble |
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| learning curve | Oct 25 2010, 12:13 AM Post #17 |
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well said mate, as every one are not as confident as some, it takes some bal$$ to admit it, that in itself is worthy of respect.. the likes of some Y.T vids are biased as to who puts them out and try to show the e.d.l in a very bad light as to oppose any and influence any further membership for the e.d.l, as you have seen here in the forums, every one is polite and considerate towards each other, even toward the people who oppose us. its up to you to trust your feeling and do what is right and i know that you feel the same as many us do no surrender mate |
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| BomberHarris | Oct 25 2010, 12:22 AM Post #18 |
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I do agree with you, I wouldn't suggest not having the usual demos as well, I think they are getting bigger and stronger all the time from what I can see. Just that maybe the powers that be will see that the EDL are perhaps reaching other people, people who wouldn't normally stand up and be counted then they may have to take just a little bit of notice as we couldn't be dismissed quite so easily as a bad element? Am sure these things would take time, summer is months away was actually thinking taking over Hyde Park for a picnic would be quite an eye opener Your vision for one day sounds wonderful! |
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| Deleted User | Oct 25 2010, 12:23 AM Post #19 |
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The way I see it there are two things to consider: 1. If the EDL didn't have the notorious reputation it has, would things have been so sucessful as it is now. Our reputation has helped us in many ways. 2. If we do soften up our image there is a good chance that our membership would increase a lot as the EDL would be seen as more of a family kind of protest group. However if this did happen, and the EDL became a family orientated protest group were we have picnics and that sort of stuff, the EDL, in my opinion, would lose it's impact. There would also be the increased chance that we would lose our current supporters. So really I think protests should be like the one in London today, peaceful but not too family orientated if you know what I mean. |
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| BomberHarris | Oct 25 2010, 12:26 AM Post #20 |
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Thank you, that was really kind. Having been here a few months but not posted much I guess it does take some to admit it but I do realise that there's no point pretending to be something you're not, especially on here - some pretty sharp people around and you would soon be outed for it. I would really love to come, weekends are hard with so many small people around - poor hubby gets lumbered but will try to get to the next demo.
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| Deleted User | Oct 25 2010, 12:30 AM Post #21 |
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Before the EDL, people were scared, scared to speak out, never mind take to the streets. Any family orientated patriotic event would be at the mercy of the left-wing, who let's face it would violently intimidate any peaceful patriot, they just can't live with the working-class fighting men the EDL can turn out and that fact has given ordinary people, slowly but surely, the confidence to speak out and even turn out. We have a long long way to go yet, but the streets must be won first before anything else is contemplated and in my opinion that will take a few years |
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| BomberHarris | Oct 25 2010, 12:30 AM Post #22 |
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This is something I hadn't really considered! I think maybe I am guilty of judging a book by it's cover and should perhaps come and meet some of you before I pass judgement. and am sorry for the double quote there, have no idea what happened? Edited by BomberHarris, Oct 25 2010, 12:31 AM.
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| roger_bates | Oct 25 2010, 12:42 AM Post #23 |
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Interesting to note this peaceful protest got no publicity. The best solution IMO is peaceful and dignified edl protests with muslims causing trouble. That way we get the publicity without the associated images of edl attacking police. We should use these violent muslims to our benefit. The trick is people need to learn not to retaliate and just stay calm behind police lines. |
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| Deleted User | Oct 25 2010, 12:54 AM Post #24 |
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@BH: My first demo was Leicester ans I enjoyed every minute of it! I set off from my local train station with a handful of Lincoln Div EDL, I'd never actually met anyone in the EDL until I'd bought my train ticket at the station and they were a good bunch. The closer the train got to Leicester, the more EDL passengers were picked up and the atmosphere was just building and building - it was brilliant! Yes, there was a bit of laddishness but that just went to make things better as the humour was fantastic. All through the journey I was made welcome and good advice was given to me, I was well looked after during the journey and later at the demo where I met quite a few forum members. Not a better bunch could I have imagined! From my experience there was no need to have any worries on demo day, now I can't wait for the next one! |
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| Deleted User | Oct 25 2010, 01:01 AM Post #25 |
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I am one of the Silver Jubilee generation. I can remember what patriotism used to mean to ordinary people, when the whole country stopped to celebrate, it wasn't just about the Queen or royal family, it was an expression of pride, a celebration of our history, heritage and culture. We were a proud people then and in having it taken away we have been robbed of something very special. I have been on demos where certain things I have witnessed have literally stunned me, it's not always the big events, sometimes just little things, they remind me of how it used to be I cannot put into words the feeling, being with so many people who you know feel the same way you do about this country, it's the sort of feeling which allows you to understand why this country was so great, the media like to portray it about being about hate, that couldn't be further from the truth in actuality, it's really about love, love of what we have lost |
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| BomberHarris | Oct 25 2010, 01:03 AM Post #26 |
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Well I think it's back to reading and learning more for me for a while- thank you for all the replies, I shall take on board all the comments. One thing that has come out of my ramblings is just how friendly people are on here and how considerate, even when they disagree with something. It has made my mind up to definately come on the next demo, so thank you for that
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| dragon | Oct 25 2010, 01:10 AM Post #27 |
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BH if i was you id try to hook up with your local divison, so you can at least see what the demo crew are like. Iv only been the Bradford demo tryed to get to leeds one but had ob problems and i can tell you that i was abit intimadated by our lads but once i got talking to them they seemed fine. The ruth around the edge lads do have a porpose but i would say that we need to have some family based events to drag in a few who are to scared to turn out to most demos. Im thinking mostly of some of the old lads and those with little kids that can not take the risks that some of you can |
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| BomberHarris | Oct 25 2010, 01:15 AM Post #28 |
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Me too! and I still have my pink china pencil holder to prove it I know exactly what you are talking about - the days when the Mall was SO packed at the Trooping it was 30 people or more deep & the day of the Golden Jubilee when we all poured into the middle of the Mall and sang land of hope & glory. I remember feeling as though my feet were lifted off the ground and I cried with pride and thanks and missing my Grandfather who instilled the love of England into me. I read the papers the next day and looked at the pictures of the sea of people and smiled that we were in the middle of it all - a glorious feeling.Lets hope the fothcoming Royal Wedding and the Diamond Jubilee provoke such pride and support - I would love to have that feeling again. Watching the Vulcan Bomber recently made me so proud too We were great once, I really really want England to have that spirit that we were famous for again, fearless, resilient, strong - a blitz spirit. I think it's still there
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| Deleted User | Oct 25 2010, 01:21 AM Post #29 |
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Exactly what I meant. There have been a couple of times on EDL protests when I have looked up at the sky and said to my old man, you can stop turning in your grave now, we are fighting back. We can make this country great again, we can get that spirit back, because the EDL shows it never truly went away and is engendered in us all And I think they were football lads unless I'm mistaken christine? |
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| BomberHarris | Oct 25 2010, 01:30 AM Post #30 |
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Thank you, I will try that. @Christine Patriot - thanks for the reassurance - I will be definately give a demo a try - we could hook up am off to watch mindless tv and wind down a bit, didn't realise how late it was! Night all and thank you again. |
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| Deleted User | Oct 25 2010, 01:30 AM Post #31 |
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Yes, to a man (and woman!) Young, 'mature' and in between. Male, female and, no doubt, inbetween! I'm not a fan of football myself but, although there was a 'laddish' air it was plain to see and hear that their sentiments were, without exception, just as yourself and BH have mentioned. Everyone was proud, they felt they were serving a purpose close to their heart. It was....inspiring to say the least. |
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Something like this may encourage more people to join who previously would have stayed away spouting the usual 'thug, racist, yob, drunk' etc. And there's nothing to stop us having lots of pork pies and sausages on sticks there is there!
Just that perhaps something like a bowler hat? A proper English gentlemans hat and maybe a flag on a stick like they have Union Jacks to wave - the sort they have a royal events like the Trooping? Does all this sound a bit lame to the more fearless types?
Sorry if it does but with all the bad press a huge sea of Bowler Hats and flags is going to be pretty hard to attack isn't it? And surely the silly a++holes who only attend to make trouble will look pretty silly in their other things if all the EDL are not looking like them?




I wish I could delete the post but I can't. Many of you have been members for a lot longer than I have and I feel like I have spoken out of turn.
I can be brave. But like I say, am a bit apprehensive of how strong some of the demos seem. I feel strongly, very strongly am just different I guess.
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