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Could Turkish and Kurdish gangs become new 'mafia'?; Two people have been convicted in connection with a war between two gangs in north London. One local MP fears a "mafia-style"
Topic Started: Oct 21 2010, 09:59 PM (194 Views)
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When 20-year-old Yusuf Arslan was stopped in the street one night in September last year he was not cowed by the sight of armed police.

Quite the opposite.

Kitted out in body armour, he claimed he was one of the main players in north London and could get hold of better weapons than Scotland Yard's Heckler & Koch MP5 sub-machine guns.

A few weeks later Arslan, whose Tottenham Boys gang are involved in a bloody feud with the rival Hackney Turks, was on the streets again seeking to back up his boasts.


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Armed with a Croatian-made Agram sub-machine gun, he flagged down a Ford Transit van in a Tottenham street.

He fired four shots at the occupants, Nasir Demir and Hamit Koban, but they escaped serious injury by reversing the van away at high speed.

At Arslan's recent trial Mr Demir, giving evidence from behind a curtain, said he was an innocent businessman but, asked why he had been shot at, he said: "Gang-related. Because they want control. If you ever get in the way they get you out of the way."

There are an estimated 50,000 Turks and 200,000 Kurds in London, not including Turkish Cypriots.






The Tottenham Boys and Hackney Turks gangs are understood to include both Turks and Kurds.

The feud has claimed at least two lives in the last 12 months - Oktay Erbasli, 23, and Cem Duzgun, 21 - and one local MP believes the violence could get worse.

David Lammy, MP for Tottenham, told the BBC: "Gang-related activity in the Turkish-speaking community is a serious issue on the streets of London and we need far more focused action.

"We need far more Turkish-speaking officers dealing with this and I sense that the community itself is fearful and racketeering, money laundering and intimidation is going on and it has to come to an end."

Mr Lammy said: "I'm genuinely worried about the escalation of violence and the young lives that are being lost in this parallel world of criminality.

"I don't want to see the kind of developments that exist in New York played out in the streets of London, a kind of mafia-style community."



Aug 2007 - Yusuf Arslan, then 17, is shot in Tottenham but survives
2 Sep 2009 - Arslan (pictured) arrested wearing body armour and brags to armed police about his firepower
28 Sep 2009 - Arslan's friend Izzet Eren shot and injured in Tottenham
30 Sep 2009 - Arslan shoots at two men in a van in Tottenham
3 Oct 2009 - Arslan's friend, Oktay Erbasli, killed in Tottenham
5 Oct 2009 - Cem Duzgun (pictured) shot dead in Clapton
8 Oct 2009 - Arslan arrested but released
9 Dec 2009 - Arslan and two others arrested and charged
Sep 2010 - Arslan and another man convicted
Oct 2010 Arslan jailed indefinitely
Metropolitan Police commissioner Sir Paul Stephenson rejected the criticism and said: "This is a challenge but we have had some successes."

A Scotland Yard spokeswoman said the force had 24 Turkish-speaking officers and she said officers from the Safer Neighbourhoods Team in Hackney had recently visited Istanbul, Kahramanmaras and Elbistan as guests of the Turkish police.

She said they were now devising a training package to help them working among Hackney's Turkish population.

'Tit-for-tat crime'

Arslan - who was himself shot in 2007 and only survived after an operation to remove his spleen - was convicted at Kingston Crown Court of attempted murder and firearms offences last month.

A second man, Emre Kamalak, 24, admitted possessing a loaded snubnose Brocock revolver and a third man, Abdullah Cicekdegli, 26, was acquitted of possessing the gun.

The trio had been stopped by armed police in a minicab in the early hours of 9 December 2009.

Duncan Penny, prosecuting, told Kingston Crown Court: "These incidents were connected with an ongoing dispute between two groups - the Tottenham Boys and the Hackney Turks - both incidents arose from gang rivalry and tit-for-tat serious criminality that is associated with it."

Mr Penny said Arslan mentioned Mr Erbasli's death after his arrest on 8 October.

Mr Penny said: "He said at the end of the day he knew who had killed his friend but he did not know which one of the Hackney boys it was."

Many Kurds in London are Alevis - am unorthodox Islamic sect - and Israfil Erbil, chairman of the Alevi Cultural Centre in Dalston, said: "They started up as groups against other nations and now it's fighting between boroughs, like Tottenham and Hackney."


Oktay Erbasli's Range Rover was riddled with bullets He said: "In the beginning it was fairly innocent, just young boys fighting but now other things are getting into it, like drugs and money. Lately I have seen some of them driving around in luxury cars and most of them are not working."

Mr Erbil told the BBC: "It's like an alternative way of life. If they feel lonely they join a group and feel stronger.

"I asked one guy why he joined and he said he had been beaten up and he found this group and they helped him and he became one of them."

Janroj Keles, from London Metropolitan University, who has researched the problems facing the Kurdish and Turkish population in the capital, said there was a generation gap.

He said: "The young people have a different understanding of the world from their parents.

"They want to dance and have sex and be part of consumer society and 'youth culture' in the inner cities. They try to be 'cool' by identifying with hip-hop and gang culture.

"There is very little communication between parents and young people so the parents cannot guide them.


The murders of Oktay Erbasli (left) and Cem Duzgun remain unsolved "Many young Kurdish and Turkish people have been let down by the education system so getting involved with drugs and gangs seems to them like 'easy money' without thinking of the consequences."

He said part of the problem was that the younger generation had not done well at school partly because of the language barrier and partly because their parents had been too busy working long hours.



you will see this lot at the local mosques every friday!
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Not read the post yet just the headline...they already are mate have been for about 5-10 years. In the 60's the Krays controlled everyone but made sure no-one sh1t on their own doorstep. There are no strong arm British gangs anymore.
They don't like it up 'em.
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the benefits of multi-culturism eh don't it just make your heart sing with joy
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Oct 21 2010, 10:08 PM
Not read the post yet just the headline...they already are mate have been for about 5-10 years. In the 60's the Krays controlled everyone but made sure no-one sh1t on their own doorstep. There are no strong arm British gangs anymore.
there's plenty, just they stay underground and try not to bring attension to themself's unlike the young mugs that brag to police about what they've got and what they can do.... piss poor!

but there are many big hitters around up and down the country, heres a quick link for your enlightenment..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gangs_in_the_United_Kingdom

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an they want to let 70 million turks into europe!
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the turks have had a major influence in london for a long time, they and the albanians are totally vicious, without emotion
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Oct 21 2010, 10:08 PM
Not read the post yet just the headline...they already are mate have been for about 5-10 years. In the 60's the Krays controlled everyone but made sure no-one sh1t on their own doorstep. There are no strong arm British gangs anymore.
There is if you watch Bravo with Danny Dyer and his hard gang celeb's.
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Wait till the Macedonians get here.
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Oct 22 2010, 01:24 PM
Wait till the Macedonians get here.
WW3
They don't like it up 'em.
Don't tell them your name Pike.
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Its a drug war they need the smackeds to keep buying the sh1te from them,, funding for the up and coming W.....A......R
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braging to cops about guns and gang war thats a new level of dumbness
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Oct 22 2010, 12:28 PM
Wigone
Oct 21 2010, 10:08 PM
Not read the post yet just the headline...they already are mate have been for about 5-10 years. In the 60's the Krays controlled everyone but made sure no-one sh1t on their own doorstep. There are no strong arm British gangs anymore.
There is if you watch Bravo with Danny Dyer and his hard gang celeb's.
thats all the british ones seem to want to be? celebs

this countrys fast becoming a vision of hell.
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The Aggi Crew in Bristol were the real deal.
The most frightening lot of "men" I've ever seen.
Anyone round Bristol in the last 15 years will know what I mean.
Insane,just simply, insane.
This mob had no pity whatsoever.....
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