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Another silly question from a newbie
Topic Started: Oct 21 2010, 06:22 AM (443 Views)
Parson-St-Station
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Righto,I'm a bit thick at times but why is so much info availiable on Facebook?
Surely all the 37,000 facebook "members" should be directed here, where they can be validated?
Someone,Im sure has asked this before but perhaps Ali or Ruby could explain this to me.
Join the EDL page,be validated,keep details quiet and then BANG....4000 EDL unannonced decend on wherever without thousands of Police and more importantly, no UAF or MDL?
The non-EDL supporters would be weeded out by their postings (or lack of) pretty quickly I would have thought?

The other think that I find so disappointing is the number of posters on facebook who are trying to join a Division but recieve no reply. There are half a dozen in the first bunch of postings currently.What a waste!
There must be reasons but with 16,000+ of us on here, surely this system can and must be improved upon for us to grow.
This is the time,Europe is rising, a friend of ours came back from the UK yesterday and she saw an EDL flyer!
She also saw Hundreds of Muslims demonstrating outside of Buck House...anyone know what that was about?

This is no criticism - I'm a newbie but I can't see why all our plans are in a public forum and why literally 1000's of people who want to join find it so bloody difficult?
There could be 50,000 members on here in months if only there was more organizational thought put into this.
Can I help,can any of us?
I would be delighted to help in any way possible as I'm sure hundreds of others on here would be too.


It just feels like we are throwing away our big chance of doubling/tripling/quadrupling our numbers by making it so hard to find Divisions to join and making it so easy for the OB and the mUslims to know what we are up to.

Sorry this has turned into a novel, but the tide in Europe, Australia and New Zealand, and the USA is turning and I just feel we should build as quickly as possible because we all know with all these benefit cuts etc the Mussies are really going to feel the squeeze.

Like I say - no criticism to any Div leaders ,mods etc but I just don't understand why the EDL have not changed their recruitment strategies.
Thanks for reading. :D
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I've no idea myself but it seems a relevant point - I'm going to track this topic.
info activism tactics

http://www.informationactivism.org/en/viewonline

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Tbh, these are good ideas, also I don't use facebook myself as I don't trust its security and privacy setup, I'd rather get them from here once my "newbie" staus is upgraded.
Weeding out spies and fifth columnists who read open info and attend the marches can only be a good thing, not saying we could stop them all, but if say we were to get into flash demo's it would be useful.
It should be easy to join the EDL and find out about divisions etc, but it shouldn't be so easy to find out until the right time what the leadership have planned.

I think the term is need to know.
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Hi, I don't know why it takes so long for people to be accepted into their divisions on fb, I find it all a bit crazy too, but if you post on the main fb page, I'm hoping someone off fb will help.

As for getting the ones from fb onto the forum, many of them already are and I guess the others just prefer fb to the forum.

Don't forget, this forum in open to anyone, they don't have to be a member to read the posts, so it is just as open as fb, but maybe modded a little differently. We do tend to get rid of the trolls on here pretty quickly, and most never make it through validation.
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I have not joined a division yet but have managed to attend demos and keep up to date with what goes on by using the forum. You don't need a division to get info or to 'join' EDL.

IMO a lot of people do not come here who use FB because A) they already use FB for other things
B) They wouldn't get away with posting half the sh!t they do on FB that they do on here without getting banned.
THEY JOINED FOR MANY REASONS, TO MARCH, TO SAIL, TO FLY. THEY WENT WHERE THEY WERE POSTED, BUT NOBODY JOINS TO DIE. THEIR LEADERS TALK ON TV, WHAT ELSE COULD WE HAVE DONE? BUT THOSE LEADERS LOST NO DAUGHTERS, AND NONE HAS LOST A SON. SO HERE'S TO ALL OUR SOLDIERS WHEREVER THEY MAY BE...AND HERES TO ALL THEIR FAMILIES, I RAISE A GLASS TO THEE...WEAR YOUR POPPY WITH PRIDE.
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B) They wouldn't get away with posting half the sh!t they do on FB that they do on here without getting banned.
Thats a deffinite Star which is a shame seeing as Facebook is how many people view us,if it was modded like this site people would get a better understanding about what we are.
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People on the FB page already know about the forum, probably. This is an open forum after all.
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Oct 21 2010, 10:49 AM
B) They wouldn't get away with posting half the sh!t they do on FB that they do on here without getting banned.
Thats a deffinite Star which is a shame seeing as Facebook is how many people view us,if it was modded like this site people would get a better understanding about what we are.
Spot on.
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Oct 21 2010, 10:52 AM
People on the FB page already know about the forum, probably. This is an open forum after all.
Yeah mate,I hear you....but this is a moderated forum...no neo-nazi rants on here thankfully!
But again I say, there are so many people who can't seem to link with their local division....Whoever is in charge of each Division, do they need help with the logistics of the numbers of people who want to join?
We are surely all willing to help them?
I say again, there are literally hundreds of people who contact their local division without a reply.
Perhaps a 'robot' poster could be installed every 10 posts on FB to give people this web addy....it would be a start at least.
This is our time to grow or fade away...the people in charge need to listen,think and do something about it before we go the same way as other 'fringe' movements....
Europe is turning.
We need to as well.

Cheers for reading :D
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Thanks for offering to help,

I've passed it on. :)
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Parson-St-Station
Oct 21 2010, 11:38 AM
We-Are-The-British
Oct 21 2010, 10:52 AM
People on the FB page already know about the forum, probably. This is an open forum after all.
Yeah mate,I hear you....but this is a moderated forum...no neo-nazi rants on here thankfully!
But again I say, there are so many people who can't seem to link with their local division....Whoever is in charge of each Division, do they need help with the logistics of the numbers of people who want to join?
We are surely all willing to help them?
I say again, there are literally hundreds of people who contact their local division without a reply.
Perhaps a 'robot' poster could be installed every 10 posts on FB to give people this web addy....it would be a start at least.
This is our time to grow or fade away...the people in charge need to listen,think and do something about it before we go the same way as other 'fringe' movements....
Europe is turning.
We need to as well.

Cheers for reading :D
there is a facebook page 'English Defence League (EDL) Forums' that has the link to these forums on the page, iv to tryed to join my local division on fb a few times, been sucsesful once but finding my self back out shortly after, but it dosent stop people coming marches to show the support.


http://www.facebook.com/home.php?#!/pages/English-Defence-League-EDL-Forums/130356320328490
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id rather the 35 of the 37000 keyboard warriors on facebook stayed on there complaining bout the price of merchandise they never buy, and complaining bout the numbers on demos they never attend, meself.
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id rather the 35 of the 37000 keyboard warriors on facebook stayed on there complaining bout the price of merchandise they never buy, and complaining bout the numbers on demos they never attend, meself.

spot on clee mate, never been on face book and dont think ill bother anytime
shortly.
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I think it's a mistake to rely on Facebook in any case. The site might be worth billions, but as anyone who uses it knows, it's not exactly reliable. The local divisions are growing, there are more springing up each day, so they are hard to keep track of. A thread for each county and then each division from the main page should do the job though, and keep all supporters on this one support site.

There's no way to weed out those people who use these forums to spy. Anybody could be MDF, UAF or a reporter looking for some juice. It's easy to lie and get yourself a half decent reputation on any forum. I'm sure a few EDL members do the same on Islamic forums ;)
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Thats my point guy's...the "keyboard warriors" would be more interested if they were on THIS forum.

You just don't get it do you guys?

No Division, no interest.
This isn't an 'Im on Facebook, Im an Hero'....
It's...... I can't join my local division and i'm really pissed off.....don't you see this?
Don't You Darren and Clee think it would be far better off to pass on your local Division contacts to wannabee new members than have no new members at all?
Seriously guys, we newbies are the ones we look up to you, we need guidance to help the EDL...surely helping the FB members who want to becombe fulltime EDL activites would be the best way to start??
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The best way to start is here.

If they have facebook, they have net access, so they can access this forum.

Yes, people want to take part in local activities and discussions, which is why I say there should be a main thread for each area on the main page of this forum.

Facebook has too much control. The slightest hint of criticism towards Islam can get the whole group removed. That won't happen here.
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loads come and have a look then go back to typing what they had for tea on fb.
its easier to find your division on FB than here via the EDL main page as most RO's will be on fb!
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Very true, but I've known local groups be introduced and then removed within a month. That wouldn't happen here.

Every single day, there's someone moaning about facebook not working right, can't send messages, chat not working, etc...

My point is that the ENTIRE EDL support group should be under one banner, not spread out on hundreds of different pages on facebook that can be removed if so many people report them.
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What would you suggest, Dudge, as a first course of action?
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This forum has everything needed. We already have different groups of EDL on the main page (Wales, Scotland, etc...,) it just needs to be expanded so that each country goes down to county level (ie, West Mids,) and then each county down to town (ie, Dudley.) There are RO's for each area to moderate each group. The infrastructure is there, why not use it?

At least with this forum, the EDL is in control, and the admins decide what's racist, insulting, deserving of removal etc...

Any other social networking site is going to err on the side of caution and remove groups and postings that in any way hint at being offensive.

By keeping everything here, any member from any group can easily see important national info on the homepage, and it's only a couple of clicks to get down to the local news.

Only an idea, but what does everyone else think?
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I read all the post with much interest but as a person who is not so comp literate I do find the FB layout much better to follow, however the actual input is far better on this forum. Maybe otherS feel the same and so stick with FB. Just a thought.
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My point is i never have and never been been on face book . i joined the EDL through this forum . i am 100% EDL. ive been to a few demos and met a lot of sound people.
Anyone who is serious about the EDL and what we stand for are here on this forum face book know were to find us
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As a new user to this forum, I found it hard to navigate to begin with.

I asked a few questions, members helped me out, and I hope I now make a valued contribution to the discussions here.

This is the place to post, it's much better and more reliable than facebook.

I'm keeping facebook for my personal life, with a bit of EDL propaganda thrown in. On here, I can rant and rave as much as I like :)
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I cant argue with that, the only problem being that this might put newer members who were on the fence over committing off actually joining as all...
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As much as I hate Facebook, it attracts people who would have, otherwise, never even heard of us.
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I found the forum through the Facebook group. I have left it now as it is far too easy for the illiterate ranters to post and I think it really portrays a bad impression. On here, discussions are generally well received, differences aired fairly and serious issues debated without being insulted. I did try to join my local division too but never had any luck!
Facebook is for daily silly stuff, selling online, old friends and a laugh.I know that if I aired all my views on my FB page I would lose a lot of friends, I do support EDL on there and other links like Robert Spencers posts but rather more quietly ^_^
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This forum has everything needed. We already have different groups of EDL on the main page (Wales, Scotland, etc...,) it just needs to be expanded so that each country goes down to county level (ie, West Mids,) and then each county down to town (ie, Dudley.) There are RO's for each area to moderate each group. The infrastructure is there, why not use it?

At least with this forum, the EDL is in control, and the admins decide what's racist, insulting, deserving of removal etc...

Any other social networking site is going to err on the side of caution and remove groups and postings that in any way hint at being offensive.

By keeping everything here, any member from any group can easily see important national info on the homepage, and it's only a couple of clicks to get down to the local news.

Only an idea, but what does everyone else think?
I think Dudge,that is exactly the way to go.
The poster above 'Bomber Harris' is another who can't seem to contact his local Div,with your plan it would be much easier.
Great Idea mate!
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I will not use fb for EDL things as its too open, the divison thing im not able to even get a strait anser who my local one is never mined how to get in so iv given up. If each divison had a thread on here at least i could fined them
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^^^^ Sorry to harp on,but here's another guy who can't access a Division. There are thousands who want to join,but don't feel safe going to a demo on their own, make it easy for them.Have more access to a Division, even via a hotmail addy, meet up with the 'recruit' in a nice safe daytime place, check out he's genuine and there you go...another seat on a coach filled.
I won't comment again, because I'm actually boring myself now, :D but this is such an obvious barrier preventing the EDL to grow.
We've got 16,500 members now.Sort this out and we will have 50,000 by Xmas.
Once again,thanks for reading.
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A lot of people will not use this forum and then again a lot of people will not use facebook, then there are a lot of people that attend demos and use none of the above,
If anyone is struggling to find their local division , first try the division page on here, if you have no joy Make a thread in general chat,someone should help,, or even try googling your division name Such as (English defence league Derbyshire) you might find some info that way, things do need to improve,And i think there is a division finder page being made for the web, so stuff such as this is being looked into,

Anyone on this thread finding it hard to contact your local Division can either pm me or leave a message here, ill try and help as much as possible,


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Sorry, going to bump this up as this is the biggest problem the EDL face at the moment.
Why is it so hard to join a Division?
Not being a cnut but there has been no response from anyone except Ali and Ruby, both of who are equally frustrated!
50,000 by Xmas if we get it right...c'mon guy's!
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Oct 23 2010, 12:10 PM
Sorry, going to bump this up as this is the biggest problem the EDL face at the moment.
Why is it so hard to join a Division?
Not being a cnut but there has been no response from anyone except Ali and Ruby, both of who are equally frustrated!
50,000 by Xmas if we get it right...c'mon guy's!
Please contact me by using PM or email options and if you can't use them due to not enough posts use hel.gower@englishdefenceleague.org

The Support Group will be able to discuss this with you.
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I've found that finding out about local division is very difficult as i don't use fb.

i think RO's should have a edl email address (for the website not personal) so new members can contact them. Also the RO's can then find out about newbies quicker. those who are fake will be found out quicker.
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Sorry, going to bump this up as this is the biggest problem the EDL face at the moment.
Why is it so hard to join a Division?
Not being a cnut but there has been no response from anyone except Ali and Ruby, both of who are equally frustrated!
50,000 by Xmas if we get it right...c'mon guy's!
If you read the post above yours, Span has already offered to help you, you just need to either pm him or post and ask.

The forum has division pages and is broken down into the different cities. :)
The RO's should make more of an effort to welcome new members, definitely. I wonder how many members we are losing through this problem.
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if anyone wants to come play with the EDL tyneside infidels,we,re having a meet and greet tomorrow.(sunday).if your in the newcastle and surrounding area heres your chance to get involved.

PM me for details.
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It took months for me to get on board. I sent a post saying why is it so difficult to join. Come on Leaders, the potential for numbers is huge, sort it out. See you tomorrow to discuss. NFS.
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I think alot of the trouble is that most divisons have growen out of footy suporters groups and do not see that none footy people may want to join. I know where one of my local divisons meet but can not make it as they meet on the same night that i work and only seem to meet befor home games. As for the fear of going to demos on your own iv try going to two made it to one and it went ok, id sugest waiting there is one near home and just turn up. That is also a good way to fined a divison i just missed mine
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The issue is a valid one I managed to latch on to the shropshire division but it took some doing and I think they were desperate for members but as for other divisions it seems that there is coordination between them but its difficult to anticipate how many need to be transported may be if you made people pay up front then transport could be coordinated to suit the numbers but all the same things are looking bright for the edl ,and it is difficult to safely get in and out of these areas on your own and thats an issue one of the divisions put a comment on fb about available seats but its seeing it if they put it on this site centralised it you wouldknow where to go thats what we need a transport page here. Thankyou edl
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