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To the nationalists; an honest question
Topic Started: Oct 16 2010, 07:51 PM (2,947 Views)
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lionsingh
Oct 18 2010, 10:30 PM
WHAT IN 1920 ????? Get Real please..
They went bump in 1979. The new/current St Pauli FC was formed by commies and anti-fascists. And you don't think there were either about in the 1920s? Communism a recent thing then is it? Mate if you're gonna argue at least make sure you have the facts at hand eh, you have the Internet at your fingertips
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lionsingh
Oct 18 2010, 09:42 PM
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Oct 18 2010, 08:57 PM
St Pauli are raving reds, with connections to ANITFA
NO...Extremely Punk-Anarchist...who live life to the full..



Extremely Punk-Anarchist, fits antifa to a T

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St. Pauli enjoys a certain fame for the left-leaning character of its supporters: most of the team's fans regard themselves as anti-racist, anti-fascist and anti-sexist, and this has on occasion brought them into conflict with neo-Nazis and hooligans at away games. The organisation has adopted an outspoken stance against racism, fascism, sexism, and homophobia and has embodied this position in its constitution. Team supporters traditionally participate in demonstrations in the Hamburg district of St. Pauli, including those over squatting or low-income housing, such as the Hafenstraße and Bambule

Your fun loving Punk-Anarchists are very much involved with The Black Bloc and Autonomous movement, which has a very large network through out Europe, and has been involved with attacks on Anti-Islamization demo, groups such as the attempted murder of Anders Gravers, the leader of SIAD/SIOE in Copenhagen.

It is an established fact that the fun loving Punk-Anarchists from Copenhagen, Hamburg and Berlin travel to each others demos.

I would like to add that St Pauli fans are very pro Palistinian, also by default to their connection to Celtic are also pro IRA

Dont assume that every body that parties in St Pauli party on the Reeperbahn



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I think Simba needs a reality check, and needs to pull his head from his arse.
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Oct 16 2010, 08:01 PM
I voted for the bnp, does that make me scum?
no. but it does make you look stupid when you realise that the b.n.p would want to repatriate your black, half caste and brown shaded friends. and if you dont have any well.... mabey you should stick to the b.n.p (no insult intended but racists arent what the e.d.l are about. ;)
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Oct 16 2010, 11:28 PM
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Oct 16 2010, 11:11 PM
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Oct 16 2010, 11:02 PM

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cheers anumber1. the fijians are some of the most loyal folk to the uk. they love britain and have and will give their lives for this country. i am proud of my old man fighting for this country in the past and proud of my relatives putting their lives on the line for it now. im pretty sure your ex forces anumber1 so you will know that fijians although not white are stalwarts when it comes to defending the interests of the uk. edit spelling mistakes, a bit pissed and my sausage fingers sometimes hit a couple of buttons at once.
You are very welcome filler, I meant every word I said, I have immense respect for Fijians as soldiers and as men. It is a credit to the history of these islands that we have garnered the support of such fine people.
I can also add that the australians the ghurkas and the sikh people who fought for our nation and our freedom in the 2nd world war are the backbone of our nation, we can add the polish, the russians and a hell of a lot of other nationals from many countries. We had a common enemy and that was the nazis Hitler and his kind were evil no doubt. We have a common enemy NOW and that enemy is ISLAM we should be talking about what brings us together and not focusing on what makes us different. My dad was an australian and he taught me this.
We are all the same colour in the dark.
Religion is what seperates man from mankind.
The spread of islam in europe will be the fall of the west
He taught me this 40 years ago...
He wasnt wrong. If you are happy to stand by me and to fight for the freedom we hold dear in Britain... I dont give a damn what colour you are, wether you have caught religion or not, and Im not interested in your ideas of your utopia. If you stand with me on the fight with Islam we will all work to give each other the community we want together. but until ISLAM is stopped we have a job to do.
LETS GO TO WORK TOGETHER PEOPLE.
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Thats right we have common cause and that means working with those that we would not in other circumstance consider doing.
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"I'd like to know your opinion on the UAF and the ANL. As on the other side of the fence they are worse in their views than c18 or NF."

The views of the former, on paper, are fine. I mean, being against fascism and nazism is a 'gimme'. It's the dickheads within these groups and the way their views are implemented that cause all the problems.
I'm not sure how their 'views' can be any worse than C18 or NF who are cnuts whichever way you look at it. I find it kinda odd that someone can dislike people who are utterly deluded into thinking everyone is a nazi more than those who really are nazis and support the extermination of people unlike them.

BTW, who cares what team LS supports? He's seen through the bullsh1t of antifa and their ilk and has decided to support us. I don't see the problem here. I'm sure some people sh1t their pants at sunset thinking the sky colour is some communist conspiracy.

~ Resident 'Punk Anarchist'
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Oct 16 2010, 10:17 PM
British is someone who holds a British passport.

English is someone who was born here and both their parents are English.That means I am not English as only one of my parents was born in this country so I refer to myself as British rather than English.Its the English name that is keeping a lot of ethnic minorities out of the EDL as they think its only for English people.
Am a tad confused now! My mother is English - I have traced the line almost back to the 1500's but my father is not - I was born here. Although I have foreign blood and a less than English Rose complexion I have
never considered myself to be anything other than English. I just thought that British was something that
you use when you are abroad to show support for the whole of Great Britain :D
So, am I English? ^o)
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The Swine
Oct 16 2010, 10:17 PM
British is someone who holds a British passport.

English is someone who was born here and both their parents are English.That means I am not English as only one of my parents was born in this country so I refer to myself as British rather than English.Its the English name that is keeping a lot of ethnic minorities out of the EDL as they think its only for English people.
Am a tad confused now! My mother is English - I have traced the line almost back to the 1500's but my father is not - I was born here. Although I have foreign blood and a less than English Rose complexion I have
never considered myself to be anything other than English. I just thought that British was something that
you use when you are abroad to show support for the whole of Great Britain :D
So, am I English? ^o)
Yes you are English but not completely ethnically.

Still English though.
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Why do people have to see things in black and white when there are many shades of grey?

Nationalism by definition isnt racist!!!

Undoubtedly there are some very chauvinistic and racist forms of Nationalism, like "National Socialism" the kind of political ideology divs from various Nazi and Supremacist fronts use to further their cause. Nationalism always has been and always will be shaped and defined by time, geography, social understanding, political implementation etc etc etc

Just so people can see various forms check here (even though i dont agree with some of the definitions its good to see something that can highlight this fact).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Types_of_nationalism

There are also various forms of Socialism that again highlight more "shades of grey"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Types_of_nationalism

Believe it or not there are different form of Anarchy too.....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchism



We dont live in a world of black and white. We live in a world that contains many shades of grey where forms of Nationalism are opposed to each other. The same can be said of Socialism and Anarchism.


"The English never draw a line without blurring it"

- Winston Churchill

Perhaps everyone would do well to see and understand these "shades of grey"
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Well, nationalism has now joined socialism and anarchism for getting slagged here.

I think sometimes we all condemn things as an emotional response as opposed to a focused critique. I know I do. It's easy to slag things off in general. But it's lazy and we might be lumping people, for whom we have utmost respect, in with those we are rightly criticising.

I've backed off a little from standing up for anarchism when it gets slated here, as I know where people are coming from (they are condemning the trendy PC types) and I don't take it personally.

I think this thread wouldn't have been as incendiary if LS hadn't lumped all nationalists as racists. But to him, that's what nationalists have been. Like anarchists being a bunch of smelly antifa fcukwits and all socialists being middle-class commies.

We have nationalists, socialists, anarchists and all here, under the single EDL banner. This is one of our strengths.
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If you are willing to stand up for England and you are willing to work for a better England and obey the laws of our land then as far as I am concerned you are English, by saying this I do not mean that you have to forget your root's and your history because these are important and have helped to form the person that you are
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lionsingh
Oct 16 2010, 07:51 PM
To those nationalists...the BNP,C18,NF,Stormfront, NDP,League of St George and neo-nazis types...

I am an enigma to you...45 years old and proud of being a Brit(well English)...Still not really in your sick eyes of being really English. BNP allowing people like me to join...rather piss on your grave. I AM A fcukING NATIONALIST...not to you sick bastards

I abhor the sharia ...but abhor you lot more.

Dont tell me I am not English...I AM.... So what is your problem with the EDL...They have so much support that you lot would dream off...ReaL SUPPORT. We all agree that Islamic Sharia law is backward...and believe it or not...so do a lot of Brit born muslims.....We keep putting that in the open public place of debates...we will win in the end.

The evil of Sharia is a concept and we can refute that.

Why cant you get 1000 or more people on the streets ? The EDL can !! Are you jealous...yes you are !!!

Jump wagon ...seen the NF and BNP sites...want to hijack our movement ? You have NO CHANCE ..dont cry ;-(

Come clean and say what you believe...Muzzies killing me for being a Harbi or you lot ?

You are complete wankers jumping on the EDL momentum...RESPECT to the EDL organisers to create a movement that had genuine concerns about an evil ideology...SHAME on you wankers for trying to hijack a REAL street movement.

fcuk you all .... Mr Nationalist..fcuk off like the Jihadias...any both off you twats...please reply...

You would call me a pakistani...oops ... dont blame me for hitting back..as the yids would as well as the black persons...all agianst SHARIA IF YOU HAVE A BRAIN..Obviously not...

I will not stand and wait.. let the EDL stand for its view. You might join...but our mission is quite simple...STOP ISLAMIFICATION...perhaps you might read some books.

Well Nazi boys....fcuk off back to your cess pits....

One day you lot might understand

For every Christian,Jain, Sikh,Hindu,Buddist,Gay,Jew,Jain,Secularist, Human being....that has been condemmed by islam AND YOU LOT....we are together against your EVIL and bullsh1t..

Sharia will NEVER take over the UK...

Respect to the EDL for showing reality.

You sad fcuking nazis...drop dead or learn some real history.....fcuk you for youe tiny minds

Support a real cause without your baggage...Is that too hard ???

Simple
Ok im thinking your abit pissed off, but your post makes no sense to me. You say a honist queston and never ask it just a rant (that i agree with by the way) take a breath and try again
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Well, nationalism has now joined socialism and anarchism for getting slagged here.

I think sometimes we all condemn things as an emotional response as opposed to a focused critique. I know I do. It's easy to slag things off in general. But it's lazy and we might be lumping people, for whom we have utmost respect, in with those we are rightly criticising.

I've backed off a little from standing up for anarchism when it gets slated here, as I know where people are coming from (they are condemning the trendy PC types) and I don't take it personally.

I think this thread wouldn't have been as incendiary if LS hadn't lumped all nationalists as racists. But to him, that's what nationalists have been. Like anarchists being a bunch of smelly antifa fcukwits and all socialists being middle-class commies.

We have nationalists, socialists, anarchists and all here, under the single EDL banner. This is one of our strengths.
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George Orwell wrote that nationalism was one of the worst enemies of peace.

He defined nationalism as the feeling that your way of life, country, or ethnic group were superior to others. These types of feelings lead a group to attempt to impose their morality on any given situation. When those standards were not met, more often then not, war would result.

In contrast he stated that patriotism was the feeling of admiration for a way of life etc. and the willingness to defend it against attack. The obvious difference between the two is that while patriotism is a passive attitude, nationalism is aggressive by nature.

That is all, go easy with the wine lionsingh and have a proper rest.

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In my opinion you are free to vote for who you like but if you turn up at a edl rally you must wave the edl flag and stick with the edl plan, The last thing the edl want to do is miss the opertunity to influence people and even c18 supporters can change all you need is a little encouragement and who knows you could create a better version of nationalism The BNP are no where near as right wing as c18 they were more anti semetic and as for the NF well who are they these days nobodys. untill the last election I had always voted labour does not make me a commie this election just gone I voted for the liberals moreout of protest at the labour government anyway I think politics is something individual and should be kept of the marches and truelly believe people have the right to march as part of the edl but it is conditional and the conditions are you align your self with edl policy but I do realise that the BNP are amongst us and there are those amongst them who are here to win votes now the side with the best Ideology should win the BNP could gain or loose supporters here.
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It's all in the definition.
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Id say im a nasolist not a racist i love my land and ill let anyone who will look after it come and live on that land with me, but that land is getting full and we need room for our kids to live here after us so we must say sorry no room try some were else.
I do not care what coulor your skin is or what god you worship if you want to be english you can be just live by the rules and look after this land with me and i will call you brother.
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Define nationalist.
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