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To the nationalists; an honest question
Topic Started: Oct 16 2010, 07:51 PM (2,949 Views)
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lan-astaslem
Oct 17 2010, 08:40 AM
Ironically Nick Griffen was brought before the courts and tried for basically saying the same as Wilders, before 95% of the people on this forum ever heard about Wilders ..
How quickly people seem to 'conveniently' forget/ignore this fact whenever they want to jump on the BNP=scum bandwagon. Hypocrites.
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lionsingh
Oct 17 2010, 12:01 AM
Each to his/her experience... we dont WANT SHARIA law/values in this country....lets start by attacking those so called Sharia courts in the UK...Lets get all their so called judgements and show the people...EDL should get their proclaiments and publish them...

Let them dig their own grave...all we have to do is report what they do....Just the truth..

Saharia brutality vs Common Law...

let people know the cases......

Humanity will win over evil..
Agree with you mate, let's stay united.

Arthur.
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Oct 16 2010, 10:40 PM
inclusion is the key to victory
exclusion brings only defeat
Too right
A world free from ALL religious bigotry is humanity's best hope!
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I'm not going to defend the leadership of the BNP, they've never come across as sincere, but Forourcountry's post about the members rings very true.

I'll also add that Nick Griffen's trial on inciting racial hatred was co-incident with Abu Hamza (hook)'s legal fight against extradition. What's even more amazing was that both used exactly the same legal defense: "Everything I said is in the Koran M'Lad" (I'm paraphrasing, I doubt Hook ever said M'Lad!) I didn't see one main stream report linking these two even though they appeared in the same news broadcasts a number of times.

Griffin got off, and Hamaz's appeal to stay was denied and he got sent to the US.

Here is the script we used on my radio show back in Nov 2006:


On Friday, in a court in Leeds, the leader of the British National Party, Nick Griffin, was found not guilty on charges of inciting racial hatred brought against him following secret filming at a political meeting by the BBC. This was the second trial as he was acquitted on one charge earlier this year but a Jury couldn't reach a decision on the second. This time a unanimous Jury found him and his colleague not guilty.

Now the BNP as a political party has very unsavoury roots. The have in the past been out and out neo-nazis and many of their followers are still firmly in the camp of racist thugs. However their leader of 7 years, Nick Griffin has read the Koran and now seems to get it.

Most amusing, however, that the only people to whom Mr Griffin's speech would have given offence, wouldn't have heard it except for the magnificent efforts of the BBC in broadcasting it to the nation. The Crown Prosecution Service and the police in Yorkshire have also played their part in giving the BNP the best publicity they've ever had. Well done. And as Nick Griffin pointed out outside the court, at the same time the police had officers working hard to convict him, they missed 4 young Muslims who successfully built bombs and departed from their patch to blow up Londoners. Great allocation of resources. You can bet that the BBC won't be reporting that particular observation!

The BNP have always been anti-semetic to the core and I'm sure most of them still are. But maybe some are starting to realise that the real evil force is and always has been the violent global Islamic Jihad. Relentless, Obsessed and bent on destroying or converting all of us to Islam.
Brian of London has been actively occupying a very small slice of hideously over-occupied Tel Aviv since early 2009.


Islam is a giant bungee cord tying it's adherents to the 7th century.
They can pull themselves almost to the twenty first century but eventually the cord tightens and flings them back.
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I think its far too easy to tar "nationalists" as Nazi pricks, sure there are a few about but these dinosaurs are few in numbers. I wont tar every BNP member with that brush either, i know plenty of people who vote for it because they dont see any other viable option.

I personally wont EVER vote BNP because of its unfortunate but very real Nazi and NF past.

REAL skinheads (not boneheads) are Nationalists who are proud and non discriminatory, in fact a real skinhead would only take issue with people who dont love, respect and contribute to our country.

Ethnicity doesnt even come into this, the skinhead movement was heavily influenced by "black music" this continues to be the case today.

Nationalism by its very definition IS NOT racist.

Its people who give nationalism a bad name, the concept itself is perfectly legitimate and reasonable.

And i say this to everyone here as i consider myself a "centrist", yes i like different parts of all political sways.

That includes Nationalism!

As for National Socialism..........

That can get shot to sh1t as far as im concerned, its no better than Islamism, in fact they are opposite sides of exactly the same coin.
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spot on nemesis! good post!
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brianoflondon
Oct 17 2010, 01:16 PM
Hamaz's appeal to stay was denied and he got sent to the US.

Abu Hamza al-Masri is still in Belmarsh Prison and hasn't been extradited to my knowledge
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Oct 17 2010, 01:22 PM
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Hamaz's appeal to stay was denied and he got sent to the US.

Abu Hamza al-Masri is still in Belmarsh Prison and hasn't been extradited to my knowledge
Good grief you're right. He appealed to the EU and what do you know, once again EU trumps UK law.

What a cluster fcuk.
Brian of London has been actively occupying a very small slice of hideously over-occupied Tel Aviv since early 2009.


Islam is a giant bungee cord tying it's adherents to the 7th century.
They can pull themselves almost to the twenty first century but eventually the cord tightens and flings them back.
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Oct 17 2010, 12:48 PM
lan-astaslem
Oct 17 2010, 08:40 AM
Ironically Nick Griffen was brought before the courts and tried for basically saying the same as Wilders, before 95% of the people on this forum ever heard about Wilders ..
How quickly people seem to 'conveniently' forget/ignore this fact whenever they want to jump on the BNP=scum bandwagon. Hypocrites.
A lot of people are using remark that Nick made 12 years ago as a shield for their anti semitism. Morons, one day it is crush the BNP, and the next is, we are all Hezbollah

For those that the nick Griffin will lead us back to the dark times of the 1930,s must have a very low opinion of the British. It is sick that they can forgive reformed terrorists such as Ed Hussain, and throw quids at him by the bucket load, even though his religion condones lying through the teeth, yet refuse to accept that the BNP has moved on.
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Oct 17 2010, 01:16 PM
The BNP have always been anti-semetic to the core and I'm sure most of them still are.
Brian, I will not argue that, but their anti-Semitism has been laid bare so to speak, what is scary is how deep anti-Semitism is embedded into british society. We can see this by looking how many turn out for a pro israeli rally and compare it to a anti israel rally. What is frightening is not the exposed anti-Semitism of the BNP, but the hidden anti-Semitism of the main stream parties and their support of islamization

So to say the west is rife with anti-semitism and that is why the Palistinians are able to play the west like a Stradivarius
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Oct 17 2010, 02:05 AM
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LionSingh - you are an individual and you have the freedom to choose who you are. This cannot be forced on you and must come from within yourself. From your name, I'm guessing you're a Sikh, which is another aspect to your identify. How you decide resolve these two entities - England and Sikhism - is up to you, but since Sikhism is not at war with the English people there is nothing to stop you having a dual identity, as an English-Sikh.

To be truly English is not about having the correct genes, it's about having the right connection to the land, the history; its present, its future. A kind of love for all those things. A willingness to fight to protect them.

Now some people may say you're not English at all because you have the wrong colour skin, well, that is just their problem. Many people with the "wrong colour skin" make better Englishmen that a lot of those with the "right coloured skin." As long as you know the truth of what is in your heart, that is all that matters.
Simple...I love England in my soul and through Christ...My land I would die for.. :wub:
that last line alone is worth more than money or the world can buy........... ;) .that to me shows how committed you are to the cause.but i do think its how you are wording things that get people upset/aggitated.just remember extroverts can make a introvert feel uncomftable some tiimes.

keep the faith

paxi :)

ps............ i hope ive worded it right aswell.its to bring a bit of understanding of all people. :)
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I've always thought that Nick Griffin is spot on with a lot of what he says.
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Oct 17 2010, 03:13 PM
I've always thought that Nick Griffin is spot on with a lot of what he says.
Nick Griffin is a white supremacist crack-pot.
His only good point is that he keeps most of the racists off this forum.
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Nationalist, BNP member and proud.

If you have to explain 'Britishness' to some jonny-come-lately with a foul mouth and no sense of pride for what has gone before then what is the point?

Just another sign that successive governments have failed us in this country.
i'm not a member of the BNP but after I saw Nick Griffin on question time and how everyone was only there to attack him and stiffle debate and not talk about the issues, he had my support. it wasn't right. I would not waste my vote on the BNP. the last election was too important but I do wish there was some real talking people saying some of the things the BNP do say.



and these nasty bastards below deserve alot worse. I don't have anything bad to say about the BNP. I am a nationalist also. I don't have a problem with anyone because of skin colour. saying that. I was listening to a black woman talk yesterday and she was saying how her friends were giving her a hard time because she talks too white. they mean, talks properly. speaks well. not ignorant.
like talking properly means your any less black. I don't descriminate over colour, I descriminate against people for how they act. we need to focus on actual things rather than stereotypes. thats how we can affect real change within our broken sociaty.

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I've always thought that Nick Griffin is spot on with a lot of what he says.
Nick Griffin is a white supremacist crack-pot.
His only good point is that he keeps most of the racists off this forum.
But it doesn't change the fact a lot of what he says is true.
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Who ever said that the meaning of the word nationlist has been high jacked has hit the nail on the head. whenever some one uses the word nationlist thoughts of the bnp, nf etc come to mind, good example is one of my mothers favourite words was gay meaning happy, in her later years she caused unintentional offence by calling people gay young men, things are getting a little heated and time to take a step back and cool it a little, debate with passion is fantastic but a little anger is starting to creep in.
Lionsingh something has happened to set you off could you please quietly explain what has happened
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we are here agenst terrorists muslim extremists who blow up our people kill our troops aboard then have other members spit on on our troops when they return home while buying and bulling their way into goverment and taking over a religion! not a race look at luton look at barking white muslim extremists we are standing up for our culture agenst them colour is not a issue
the right wing groups have jumped on the band wagon becuse we are the people brave enough to do that and like nationlist groups are merely here to poach members and scavenge some of the limelight ! fcuk them we dont want or need them
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Lionsingh, I am not so familiar with Sikhism as I am with islam, what I do know is most males have Singh as either their middle or last name, and in many place in asia Singh means lion or tiger. I am also aware that Sikhs do accept intermarriage, but frown upon marriage to muslims. Sikhs, I believe are not to happy about Christians who attempt to convert Sikhs to Christianity, and it has lead to violence in India

Now many times on this forum you have said you are Christian, but you also try and give the impression that you are a Sikh. Can you clarify please are you a Sikh or Christian, or are you taking the piss. I just can not get my head around the fact that somebody can be both a Sikh and christian at the same.

O BTW I lived in Denmark for quite some time and I used to take down to St Pauli to party with friends that lived there, I had some great times there, so I am curious as to what it is like there now, do you hang out much there, and do you hang out and party with any of the folks there. Just curious as when you mentioned St Pauli, it brought back a lot of memories. Also they had a great football club.
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Hi running I agree with you that the main reason we are here is to stand against islamism and militant islamist extremists and also other parts of islam that are unexceptable in our country. such as forced marrages, child brides, woman being treated as second class citezens, husbands being allowed to beat their wives, honour killings, sharia law etc. In fact most of the complaints that the EDL has against islam is their lack of respect for woman and their insistance on treating them like chattles. The bnp, n.f. etc in their fading years have mistakenly believed the EDL to be a lifeline to save their sorry arses, what they failed to realise is that we are a genuine multi race organisation and horror of horrors we actualy have mixed race families in our midst (fantastic). Having discovered that the EDL wants nothing to do with the obnoxous racist policies of the bnp and their like they will now do everything they can to destroy us. As a white English man the rantings of groups like the bnp are like water off of a ducks back, but for a coloured English man the hatred spewed out by these white supreemist groups must act like a continuously dripping tap and at some point they have to snap and let of steam as Lionsingh has done as when we all let off steam we have a tendency to do it among friends.
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Lionsingh:

I will say this for the last time. You have been placed on moderation due to you insulting members - and you refused to stop when asked.
And dont give it `it must be political why I have been banned` because that won`t wash.
I have a lot of respect for the regular posters. Just choose this thread to speak to the real nazi so called members. ...which members have I insulted ?

Please tell me to which member I have insulted ?

IF I were wrong I would apologise immediately.. too much red wine distorts my rationality...

I questinioned Englandman ...sorry..
You will find that the Nazi's hate us as much as the commies, The nazi's think we have sold out and are as worse as everyone else.

A Nazi would not support the EDL, Check stormfront, They hate everything we are and we are enemies more so than anyone else because we are syphoning support from them.

Ive had a fair few scraps with nazis because of my beliefs so in short you have no idea, But this is what happens when you listen to anything the left says, Not your fault though.
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the right wing groups have jumped on the band wagon becuse we are the people brave enough to do that and like nationlist groups are merely here to poach members and scavenge some of the limelight ! fcuk them we dont want or need them
Unfortunately that is not the truth, most of the people you where tackling islamization where working from so called nationlist groups, including myself.

Sites such as Home of The green arrow and Red Squirrel plus the BNP and Lionheart (before he flipped) where putting out material that the MSM would not touch

I think your remark was uncalled for

Now what were you doing about islam19 January 2004 when Nick Griffen was spotlighting the grooming of school girls by muslims, which forced Ann Cryer and the police to take notice.Yet Griffin got busted and nearly got 7 years

The truth is the people you are slagging where actve looooong before EDL
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Im nationalist, always have been and always will be, i love my flag, country and county. Doesnt make me racist, theres probably just as many white people who hate my flag as anyone else. My flag is that of England, whether its the St Georges cross or the White Dragon.
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As I have said the word nationalist has been Hi-Jacked by the bnp and n.f. they also Hi-Jacked our flag but we have taken it back and once again it is Englands proud banner, I personaly think patriot is a better name at the moment to keep us seperate from the racists, We know what we mean when we call our selves Nationalist but alass the public do not and we do need their support
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Im nationalist, always have been and always will be, i love my flag, country and county. Doesnt make me racist, theres probably just as many white people who hate my flag as anyone else. My flag is that of England, whether its the St Georges cross or the White Dragon.
i also love my flag,country and county with a unbelievable passion,and im not rascict.but im a patriot.i wonder what makes the two of us different?

keep the faith

paxi :)
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Oct 17 2010, 04:27 PM
Lionsingh, I am not so familiar with Sikhism as I am with islam, what I do know is most males have Singh as either their middle or last name, and in many place in asia Singh means lion or tiger. I am also aware that Sikhs do accept intermarriage, but frown upon marriage to muslims. Sikhs, I believe are not to happy about Christians who attempt to convert Sikhs to Christianity, and it has lead to violence in India

Now many times on this forum you have said you are Christian, but you also try and give the impression that you are a Sikh. Can you clarify please are you a Sikh or Christian, or are you taking the piss. I just can not get my head around the fact that somebody can be both a Sikh and christian at the same.

O BTW I lived in Denmark for quite some time and I used to take down to St Pauli to party with friends that lived there, I had some great times there, so I am curious as to what it is like there now, do you hang out much there, and do you hang out and party with any of the folks there. Just curious as when you mentioned St Pauli, it brought back a lot of memories. Also they had a great football club.
St pauli have a great club still..7th in the Bundesliga...Its more like a big party at every home match. Sure you enjoyed the reeperbahn ;-). Lived in Kiel.

For your clarification, born into a sikh family. Got baptised and lived in Germany for 16 years... Doesnt mean I disrespect Sikh history and culture...question it a lot. As for the the conversion bit in India..Its the muslim or Hindu zeolots who tend to get annoyed...doesnt happen in the punjab !! Silkism doesnt preach against one's belief....and yes there is a lot of hostility in marriage to a muslim (historical reasons)....If i had converted to Islam, i think I would have been shunned by many in the traditional Sikh community. I married a Lutheran and my brother a Hindu...No problems. Both treated as daughters and fully accepted in traditional sikh gatherings.

and NO i am not taking the piss. Have travelled a lot and am quite open.

Hope it answers some of your questions.
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Im nationalist, always have been and always will be, i love my flag, country and county. Doesnt make me racist, theres probably just as many white people who hate my flag as anyone else. My flag is that of England, whether its the St Georges cross or the White Dragon.
The White Dragon is the flag of Wessex (Alfred the Greats Kingdom) not England. Wessex was only on country amongst many at that time and the flag of Northumbria would have an equal claim despite Northumbria's capital being Edinburgh.
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O BTW I lived in Denmark for quite some time and I used to take down to St Pauli to party with friends that lived there, I had some great times there, so I am curious as to what it is like there now, do you hang out much there, and do you hang out and party with any of the folks there. Just curious as when you mentioned St Pauli, it brought back a lot of memories. Also they had a great football club.


St pauli have a great club still..7th in the Bundesliga...Its more like a big party at every home match.
Yep their fans are a great Gegen Nazi/Leftofascisto bunch, always ready to bop a nazi, I dont think any one wearing EDL gear there would be very welcome

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Sure you enjoyed the reeperbahn ;-). Lived in Kiel.


Did not do Reeperbahn, used to stay and party on Hafenstrasse.

Your comment to Lacoste in the Jew thread struck a strange chord with me, especially after your anti right/nazi rants could have come from UAF page book.

"Come to Germany St Pauli with me and you wouldnt last a minute."

Not many here know about St Pauli. and even less know it is a strong hold of Antifa

So it would not only be dangerous for Lacoste but also you

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Im nationalist, always have been and always will be, i love my flag, country and county. Doesnt make me racist, theres probably just as many white people who hate my flag as anyone else. My flag is that of England, whether its the St Georges cross or the White Dragon.
The White Dragon is the flag of Wessex (Alfred the Greats Kingdom) not England. Wessex was only on country amongst many at that time and the flag of Northumbria would have an equal claim despite Northumbria's capital being Edinburgh.
The flag of Wessex was a yellow dragon on a red background. It was also the last flag to be carried into battle by an Anglo-Saxon king, Harold Godwinson at Hastings

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St pauli have a great club still..7th in the Bundesliga...Its more like a big party at every home match. Sure you enjoyed the reeperbahn ;-).
Hmmm. Do the guys in St Pauli know about your involvement in the EDL? What do they have to say about it?
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Im nationalist, always have been and always will be, i love my flag, country and county. Doesnt make me racist, theres probably just as many white people who hate my flag as anyone else. My flag is that of England, whether its the St Georges cross or the White Dragon.
The White Dragon is the flag of Wessex (Alfred the Greats Kingdom) not England. Wessex was only on country amongst many at that time and the flag of Northumbria would have an equal claim despite Northumbria's capital being Edinburgh.
The flag of Wessex was a yellow dragon on a red background. It was also the last flag to be carried into battle by an Anglo-Saxon king, Harold Godwinson at Hastings

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About 450AD. came the landing in Celtic Britain of two warrior traders, Hengest and Horsa who, together with their Saxon, Angle and Jutish followers are traditionally regarded as the founders of England. History records that the White Dragon was their emblem. During the next four centuries, the Saxon, Angle and Jutish settlers; originally from North Germany, Denmark, Jutland and Norway, who, together with the Northmen or Vikings, would become known collectively as the English, advanced from East to West through Celtic Britain.

Various accounts of the times record many battles between armies carrying the Celtic British Red Dragon Banner (now the Welsh Dragon) and the White Dragon Flag of the Saxons, Angles and Jutes (the English Dragon). The White Dragon was, and still is, the emblem of Wessex, the territory of the West Saxons and the English King, Alfred the Great.
Had not the last panels been lost, it is likely that the White Dragon Flag would have been seen displayed on that same Tapestry featuring a scene at Westminster Abbey during a ceremony for the Usurper, William of Normandy.


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Im nationalist, always have been and always will be, i love my flag, country and county. Doesnt make me racist, theres probably just as many white people who hate my flag as anyone else. My flag is that of England, whether its the St Georges cross or the White Dragon.
The White Dragon is the flag of Wessex (Alfred the Greats Kingdom) not England. Wessex was only on country amongst many at that time and the flag of Northumbria would have an equal claim despite Northumbria's capital being Edinburgh.
The flag of Wessex was a yellow dragon on a red background. It was also the last flag to be carried into battle by an Anglo-Saxon king, Harold Godwinson at Hastings

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Btw that's the county flag of Hampshire :D
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The flag of Wessex was a yellow dragon on a red background. It was also the last flag to be carried into battle by an Anglo-Saxon king, Harold Godwinson at Hastings

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About 450AD. came the landing in Celtic Britain of two warrior traders, Hengest and Horsa who, together with their Saxon, Angle and Jutish followers are traditionally regarded as the founders of England. History records that the White Dragon was their emblem. During the next four centuries, the Saxon, Angle and Jutish settlers; originally from North Germany, Denmark, Jutland and Norway, who, together with the Northmen or Vikings, would become known collectively as the English, advanced from East to West through Celtic Britain.

Various accounts of the times record many battles between armies carrying the Celtic British Red Dragon Banner (now the Welsh Dragon) and the White Dragon Flag of the Saxons, Angles and Jutes (the English Dragon). The White Dragon was, and still is, the emblem of Wessex, the territory of the West Saxons and the English King, Alfred the Great.
Had not the last panels been lost, it is likely that the White Dragon Flag would have been seen displayed on that same Tapestry featuring a scene at Westminster Abbey during a ceremony for the Usurper, William of Normandy.


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The flag of Wessex was a yellow dragon on a red background. It was also the last flag to be carried into battle by an Anglo-Saxon king, Harold Godwinson at Hastings

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Btw that's the county flag of Hampshire :D
I should check your history books, it's from a site in Hampshire selling flags

This is the flag of Hampshire

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And you really should learn the difference between the kingdoms of Wessex and England, I presume you're a patriot?
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LIONSINGH, here is a picture for you...





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About 450AD. came the landing in Celtic Britain of two warrior traders, Hengest and Horsa who, together with their Saxon, Angle and Jutish followers are traditionally regarded as the founders of England. History records that the White Dragon was their emblem. During the next four centuries, the Saxon, Angle and Jutish settlers; originally from North Germany, Denmark, Jutland and Norway, who, together with the Northmen or Vikings, would become known collectively as the English, advanced from East to West through Celtic Britain.

Various accounts of the times record many battles between armies carrying the Celtic British Red Dragon Banner (now the Welsh Dragon) and the White Dragon Flag of the Saxons, Angles and Jutes (the English Dragon). The White Dragon was, and still is, the emblem of Wessex, the territory of the West Saxons and the English King, Alfred the Great.
Had not the last panels been lost, it is likely that the White Dragon Flag would have been seen displayed on that same Tapestry featuring a scene at Westminster Abbey during a ceremony for the Usurper, William of Normandy.


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Btw that's the county flag of Hampshire :D
I should check your history books, it's from a site in Hampshire selling flags

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And you really should learn the difference between the kingdoms of Wessex and England, I presume you're a patriot?
My bad :$

The other isn't the White Dragon of Wessex though.
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Keep it peaceful people or this thread goes in the trash bin.
maybe you should have deleted this thread by the content of the first post made by lionsingh.
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I should check your history books, it's from a site in Hampshire selling flags

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And you really should learn the difference between the kingdoms of Wessex and England, I presume you're a patriot?
My bad :$

The other isn't the White Dragon of Wessex though.
Wessex never had a white dragon, it was always yellow. The white dragon, as the article you yourself posted points out, was the flag of one of the early Anglo-Saxon invaders. Even that article is flawed, you must check sources as it says the Angles and Jutes were followers of Saxon Kings, which they weren't they also inhabited, co-existed, in different parts of England.
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hee hee you just dont like St pauli because it is close to Celtic...Mr RangersLoyalist.

as St pauli state "NON-ESTABLISHED since 1920"

Have been to Rangers and Celtic matches.

I admit I am a failure and an attention seeker....Wow how did you find out ? Sorry I am not as secure as you. You are right...My cover is blown...One day when I grow up ..I really hope I am as mature as you....perhaps we should concentrate on Islamic attempts to dominate....so do you allow failures in the EDL ?


So what pissed you off..Me following St Pauli ...care to expand on that ?...Or just do like asses in your face as in the picture you have uploaded ? Was it a relative or an offer to sell ? ;-)..please dont sell...thats better is islamic lands...you might get a real offer...What was the point..me being thick ??

So while I live my life as a failure...so glad you know reality :-)

Words and Images of wisdom...

For others you dont know St Pauli ...just google it. Its a great football club. 7th now in the Bundesliga.

For the Mods...I am not being rude...think Rangersloyalist wanted to speak..so I answered him politely.

Picture upload is a little crude.
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Hmmm I have just spent the last half hour reading this thread, and I have one thing to say to everyone.

CHILL THE F*CK OUT!



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St Pauli are raving reds, with connections to ANITFA
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Wessex never had a white dragon, it was always yellow. The white dragon, as the article you yourself posted points out, was the flag of one of the early Anglo-Saxon invaders. Even that article is flawed, you must check sources as it says the Angles and Jutes were followers of Saxon Kings, which they weren't they also inhabited, co-existed, in different parts of England.
I think you need to have a word with a load of English nationalists about that then as they seem to have appropriated the white dragon as part of their belief system.

Personally I'm happier with the Flag of St George, as a crusader symbol it has more effect in driving Islamics nuts.
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Wessex never had a white dragon, it was always yellow. The white dragon, as the article you yourself posted points out, was the flag of one of the early Anglo-Saxon invaders. Even that article is flawed, you must check sources as it says the Angles and Jutes were followers of Saxon Kings, which they weren't they also inhabited, co-existed, in different parts of England.
I think you need to have a word with a load of English nationalists about that then as they seem to have appropriated the white dragon as part of their belief system.

Personally I'm happier with the Flag of St George, as a crusader symbol it has more effect in driving Islamics nuts.
Mate, it is not my job to educate people, in your case consider it done as a favour. The truth isn't dependant on how many people believe it, it is still the truth
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sorry people didnt read your comment's. i just had to write back. IM a fcukin nationalist. i love england,its my home.ireland,scotland,wale's has its own representative's. im english through and through. and thats whats come's 1st. if you think im racist or whatever for saying that fcuk YOU. im going amsterdam to spread the cause but england is my priority....
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Keep it peaceful people or this thread goes in the trash bin.
maybe you should have deleted this thread by the content of the first post made by lionsingh.
I used the term Nationalist ...which was a grave error...to ask the real right wing..so called white supremacists types..Never realised it would cause an uproar... Thats what the NF/BM/APL used to say to me. They were nationalists and I got attacked quite a few times by twat skins doing their duty.. This thread has at least provoked a response.... A lot of mates think I mad to support the ELD...I dont ...whats the point of the last upload against me ?

I have made it clear several times and some of the hostile aggresive posts here have made me think again.

I should have said to the brain-dead nazi twats instead...just asked an honest question...thank those who understood my point.

For those that misunderstood. Those I may have offended..I think and am able to look after myself given the chance to respond......I think people who delete threads.. trash bins..block my reply to answer back....Sounds Like muzzie heaven.

At least see my posts before. ... I will not defend myself anymore on this post...Opened up a can of worms me thinks.

Better in the open on these boards rather in the streets.
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LIONSING - I have no clue why you mentioned St Pauli, their left wing facist fans are scum.

I posted that picture on here as i think you are an attention seeker just trying to stir up divisions in the EDL. Or maybe something worse.

I'd like to know your opinion on the UAF and the ANL. As on the other side of the fence they are worse in their views than c18 or NF.

It also seems every comment that you reply to your trying to be 'cheeky' or put down other members.
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Lionsingh, you've admitted that you should have named the thread differently, but what do you mean when you say that this thread has "opened a can of worms"?
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Keep it peaceful people or this thread goes in the trash bin.
maybe you should have deleted this thread by the content of the first post made by lionsingh.
I used the term Nationalist ...which was a grave error...to ask the real right wing..so called white supremacists types..Never realised it would cause an uproar... Thats what the NF/BM/APL used to say to me. They were nationalists and I got attacked quite a few times by twat skins doing their duty.. This thread has at least provoked a response.... A lot of mates think I mad to support the ELD...I dont ...whats the point of the last upload against me ?

I have made it clear several times and some of the hostile aggresive posts here have made me think again.

I should have said to the brain-dead nazi twats instead...just asked an honest question...thank those who understood my point.

For those that misunderstood. Those I may have offended..I think and am able to look after myself given the chance to respond......I think people who delete threads.. trash bins..block my reply to answer back....Sounds Like muzzie heaven.

At least see my posts before. ... I will not defend myself anymore on this post...Opened up a can of worms me thinks.

Better in the open on these boards rather in the streets.
Obviousley you are entitled to your opinion, i wasnt talking about the nationalist content of your first post, fair enough u dont support the BNP etc... but what right do u have to use the word 'wankers' about 20 times in the op?? Juts because they have diff views from yourself dont mean they are wankers. I could say that about u but im not gonna.
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St Pauli are raving reds, with connections to ANITFA
NO...Extremely Punk-Anarchist...who live life to the full...You have never been..Extremely anti NPD..German neo-nazis. They dont Islamic appeasement but are an open house. They wont take crap and are very liberal. Their song "hells Bells" by ACDC is clear enough....

Just a real Rock'n Roll club. B-)

Reds...some...but 30,000 supporters in the third division when they were there... It's a punk club...Pro gay, Pro womens rights, Anti Facist, Great for kids....Love football like they do..

German NPD are raving Hitler worshippers...At least they have the balls to reject real nazis...There is NO EDL equivalent in Germany. If you understood the politics you would understand.

It's a different ballgame when the East Neo-Nazis for example Rostock from the east come to the west...It is really like the Frei-truppen ..absolute Nazis...prasing Hitler...just like the Serbian nationalist supporters...They go for the kick offs. ...Suppose you agree with that ?...well support Serbia and Rostock. I will support St Pauli, Coventry and England....If that is okay

Sadly you have NO idea of a great club....

I love St Pauli ...so I must be a raving Red..

St Paul;i is very anti-system and Live and Let live...Pure racist nazis...they wont accept.
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St Pauli are raving reds, with connections to ANITFA
NO...Extremely Punk-Anarchist...who live life to the full...You have never been..Extremely anti NPD..German neo-nazis. They dont Islamic appeasement but are an open house. They wont take crap and are very liberal. Their song "hells Bells" by ACDC is clear enough....

Just a real Rock'n Roll club. B-)

Reds...some...but 30,000 supporters in the third division when they were there... It's a punk club...Pro gay, Pro womens rights, Anti Facist, Great for kids....Love football like they do..

German NPD are raving Hitler worshippers...At least they have the balls to reject real nazis...There is NO EDL equivalent in Germany. If you understood the politics you would understand.

It's a different ballgame when the East Neo-Nazis for example Rostock from the east come to the west...It is really like the Frei-truppen ..absolute Nazis...prasing Hitler...just like the Serbian nationalist supporters...They go for the kick offs. ...Suppose you agree with that ?...well support Serbia and Rostock. I will support St Pauli, Coventry and England....If that is okay

Sadly you have NO idea of a great club....

I love St Pauli ...so I must be a raving Red..

St Paul;i is very anti-system and Live and Let live...Pure racist nazis...they wont accept.
No mate, I have been to Hamburg and bumped into some of them, they are raving Communists and anti-fascists, with links to/members of European ANTIFA. The club was formed by anti-fascists/reds
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2 very entertaining threads this and israel one,
great reads.
im flicking between the 2 like channel hopping!

great stuff.
up early
im off.

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2 very entertaining threads this and israel one,
great reads.
im flicking between the 2 like channel hopping!


Same with me Clee, lol.
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LIONSING - I have no clue why you mentioned St Pauli, their left wing facist fans are scum.

I posted that picture on here as i think you are an attention seeker just trying to stir up divisions in the EDL. Or maybe something worse.

I'd like to know your opinion on the UAF and the ANL. As on the other side of the fence they are worse in their views than c18 or NF.

It also seems every comment that you reply to your trying to be 'cheeky' or put down other members.
Glad you have read my 350 comments before and have judged me...No Troll on tonights show lets whack your Angst on me.

In answer to your question.

UAF..Sound a brillient concept...but as you know a well as I do they are not against facism...Trade desciptions Act...NO RESPECT

The ANL ...Sorry My house was bricked by the NF, MY Mother was attacked by Skins from the NF/BM... I cried and ran away..I was 14. ... I was too scared.... Guy who lived in the next street was a NF organiser...Oops I lived in a white area....I called the ANL... problem got solved....I had NF leaflets rammed into my mouth as a kid...BAN me from the EDL then. Sorry.....not Jackanory..ask the Isreali members here and I woundnt be able to understand bombs...BUT I am what I am for fighting back.

Has you brain realised we are trying to STOP the spread of an EVIL ideology...A System that has shown itself to be worse than Communism and Fascism combined...AND ALL YOU WANT TO DO IS MENTION A FOOTBALL CLUB ?

Why would I waste my time on these forums if .....

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" posted that picture on here as i think you are an attention seeker just trying to stir up divisions in the EDL. Or maybe something worse.

I'd like to know your opinion on the UAF and the ANL. As on the other side of the fence they are worse in their views than c18 or NF"

Then you must be right...forgive me for being an attention seeker...and yes you must be right ...something worse....What the hell are you trying to say...??? Open your mouth..Its democarcy and doesnt hurt to tell it as you see it..."stir up divisions" ?...I am on the verge of quitting..would you be so happy then?...bet you would

I HATE AND ABHOR idiotic SIMPLE brain dead racists...Do you honestly believe I am being cheeky..thought is was humour...Crusify me ...I upset members..As I said..I might have made a mistake in my usage of words. Sorry Fcuk nazis ....respect us as a real street movement. !!!

Mr RangerLoyalist....You know the truth like Eric the Viking...Obviously I have NOTHING more to contribute..Perhaps you would care to look at my previous views/posts.

As for C18...Have you had the brains to read Mein kampt...Du weisss nicht was denkts.Jawohl, mein Herr..alles was du saghts ist die recht"

I do not PUT other members down for cheeky points ???....I will passionately question a facist statement, will stick up for bully attacks. ...I put members down ? ...Sorry..I havent been put down by you ???

Go to the NF site and join it..

GUILY AS CHARGED

You right....me wrong...peeps..decide ?...NO you.



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"No mate, I have been to Hamburg and bumped into some of them, they are raving Communists and anti-fascists, with links to/members of European ANTIFA. The club was formed by anti-fascists/reds "

WHAT IN 1920 ????? Get Real please..
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I personaly think this thread had gotten out of hand, and LionSinghs OP has been taken out of context IMO.
There's pure nationalists like The league of St George, then there's people like Singh who is a nationalist but not like the C18 scum, but is proud to be English.
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