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| Deleted User | Oct 16 2010, 10:45 PM Post #101 |
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anyone read HMFC'S post bout the entire hearts team signing up in ww1 ? we're all in it together. RULE BRITANNIA Hearts fc have had the soldiers at Tynecastle on a lot of occations and HMFCs main charity is the Erskin soldiers charity,Hearts have a long history with the British army and I believe no other club does as much for the troops or has such a strong link to the army as Hearts fc,ie McRae's Battalion when the entire 1st team signed up to fight for Britain in WW1 at the somme |
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| Deleted User | Oct 16 2010, 10:48 PM Post #102 |
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lionsingh, spot on. fcuk the nazis and any other cnut who thinks like them. iive got a fijian dad who was proud to fight for britain. i was born here and am proud to call myselfl english. i was born here call myself english and fcuk any cnut who says im not. |
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| lionsingh | Oct 16 2010, 10:54 PM Post #103 |
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I have a devotion and love of England. It's my country and I thought we were all here to stand up against Islamic attempts to dominate. So me "hasnt a fkn CLUE what nationalism is and is spouting UAF type sh1tE" well..sorry. you are wrong. Thought we were here to fight Sharia and Islamofacism. Sorry I dont have a clue...but have the brains to support the EDl and its aim |
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| Deleted User | Oct 16 2010, 10:56 PM Post #104 |
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Plenty of "British" down here, speaking all kinds of languages I don't understand and with Somalian, Sudanese and Ethiopian names. |
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| Deleted User | Oct 16 2010, 10:58 PM Post #105 |
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you dont know the difference between nationalism and racism! much like UAF |
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| Deleted User | Oct 16 2010, 11:00 PM Post #106 |
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my view is this voting BNP is not wrong as it appears that they are the only party to attempt to stop the onslaught of mosques and sharia . some of my friends who are black vote BNP because they too see the problems .if there was an alternative then maybe people would vote elsewhere and in bigger numbers . i also am very proud to have people of other cultures in our country . the different cultures and religions make the country more interesting . variety is the spice of life . however , if any of the people who come to our country dont like it then fcuk off and live somewhere else . the same goes for anybody else . if my mrs dont like our house then she can fcuk off because our house is what it is and we like it that way . i dont change my house because one person wants it another way . its a mutual thing . same as our country for me . why should we change our country for a few selfish fcukers . its not a mutual thing for a thousand mosques to engulf us , and neither would it be mutual for a thousand sinagogues etc etc the difference is that every other religion comes to our country and they are grateful for us allowing a religious building . the other religions are willing to mingle . the other religions are peaceful . the other religions dont force their beliefs on everyone else . and the other religions dont take the piss did i say that the other religions dont want us all dead |
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| Deleted User | Oct 16 2010, 11:02 PM Post #107 |
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I have met and worked with loads of Fijians, to a man they were some of the finest people it has been my honour to know. |
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| Deleted User | Oct 16 2010, 11:07 PM Post #108 |
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maybe a better (and correct) title to the thread would have been 'to the racists'. what a difference a misused word makes mr.singh. |
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| Night_Crawler | Oct 16 2010, 11:09 PM Post #109 |
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I'm sort of a nationalist, even tho the BNP wouldn't agree with my Nationlist views. Then you started mentioning Nazi groups i was like WTF. Yeah! i'm more of a nationalist like you are, not like the League of St George are. |
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| Deleted User | Oct 16 2010, 11:11 PM Post #110 |
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cheers anumber1. the fijians are some of the most loyal folk to the uk. they love britain and have and will give their lives for this country. i am proud of my old man fighting for this country in the past and proud of my relatives putting their lives on the line for it now. im pretty sure your ex forces anumber1 so you will know that fijians although not white are stalwarts when it comes to defending the interests of the uk. edit spelling mistakes, a bit pissed and my sausage fingers sometimes hit a couple of buttons at once. |
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| Deleted User | Oct 16 2010, 11:12 PM Post #111 |
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Popular peoples front of England anyone? |
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| UK-Jack | Oct 16 2010, 11:16 PM Post #112 |
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Sorry fellas but this needs to be written, listen through no fault of our own, we are English, Irish, Scottish and Welsh = British, and I for one am proud to call myself that, as a Welshmen, I love the Red Dragon flag of my country but I also love the Union flag with as much passion. The colour of your skin or your religion should have nothing to do with it as long as you are proud to be British, today there has ben some sh1t written on this site and for me, I say enough. We should be United against one cause radical islam and for God, Queen, Country and the Defence League Movement. No Surrender. |
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| Deleted User | Oct 16 2010, 11:28 PM Post #113 |
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You are very welcome filler, I meant every word I said, I have immense respect for Fijians as soldiers and as men. It is a credit to the history of these islands that we have garnered the support of such fine people. |
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| Deleted User | Oct 16 2010, 11:31 PM Post #114 |
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I am a nationalist. I am one who has never been a member of any extremist party or organisation. You don't piss me off Mr Singh so I can't see your point. I like Sikhs, know a few and they're all good hard-working people who live by a moral code. But let's get a few things straight, nationalism isn't a dirty word, it is patriotism. Before the EDL, patriots such as myself had nowhere else to go, I refuse to condemn anyone who chose to join the BNP, as there was a time when the BNP was the only option for patriots who wanted to do something to save this country. Many people have left the BNP to join the EDL, good that should be welcomed, they have seen the light and know that the EDL ethos doesn't include racism. People should be pleased that the EDL has become such a moderate force and turned these people away from extremism. C18 doesn't exist, Blood and Honour is a few cranks on the internet, so let's get things into perspective instead of becoming hysterical, there has been too much of that on here lately |
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| lionsingh | Oct 16 2010, 11:33 PM Post #115 |
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Clee et al My point was simply that for the nationalists (extreme right-wing) as I made clear in my intro...and those patriots who love this wonderful country including those born here of other faiths...such as me...to tell the truth... I wanted to know from the extreme-right..sorry real so called nationalists...what they felt....people like me and jews etc...being English... I know the difference between nationalism and racism clee1970 ???..been battered enough as a child by the NF....have you had that experience ? I am proud of my country..If you allow me to be... and we are here to fight against Islamic attempts to dominate these Isles of beauty.... I will stand up for the EDL as long as it protects our laws from the evil of sharia...and muslim domination. My England that stands up for the downtrodden and keeps its values. We are so STRONG together with our values. Its sad you patronise me saying I dont know a difference.. between nationalism and racism....I DO.. Lets protect our lands from an Alien so called culture of Islam.. Respect and apologies to those I may have offended. |
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| Deleted User | Oct 16 2010, 11:39 PM Post #116 |
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i know where lionsingh is coming from. i have suffered in the past from prats who are extreme right wing. BUT there is a huge difference between ignorant nutters who see nothing but skin colour and patriots who love this country and all it stands for. |
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| Deleted User | Oct 16 2010, 11:41 PM Post #117 |
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Why are you continually inferring there are people of the extreme right persuasion on here? If you wanna converse with the extreme right go on B&H, their views aren't welcome on here and your continual references to them will imply to people that there are loads on here, when the truth is it is quite the opposite |
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| Night_Crawler | Oct 16 2010, 11:45 PM Post #118 |
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I also believe that there is some of the far right on this forum showing support. But this might be down to the media lies about us, they make em think they're welcome in the EDL. |
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| Deleted User | Oct 16 2010, 11:48 PM Post #119 |
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quote,I also believe that there is some of the far right on this forum showing support. But this might be down to the media lies about us, they make em think they're welcome in the EDL. the real far right groups c18 and suchlike hold us in utter contempt. they hate us as much as we hate them. |
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| Span | Oct 16 2010, 11:53 PM Post #120 |
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Just about to write something similar, Along the lines of preaching to the choir, |
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| lionsingh | Oct 17 2010, 12:01 AM Post #121 |
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Each to his/her experience... we dont WANT SHARIA law/values in this country....lets start by attacking those so called Sharia courts in the UK...Lets get all their so called judgements and show the people...EDL should get their proclaiments and publish them... Let them dig their own grave...all we have to do is report what they do....Just the truth.. Saharia brutality vs Common Law... let people know the cases...... Humanity will win over evil.. |
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| Mike44 | Oct 17 2010, 12:10 AM Post #122 |
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Lionsingh, wonderfull |
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| The Swine | Oct 17 2010, 12:16 AM Post #123 |
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BNP members will obviously try and join the EDL as they are in meltdown.I doubt if the BNP will exist by this time next year.Its the reason Nick Lowles has come after us as he knows he will soon be out of work if he dosen't find another group to victimise. |
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| Deleted User | Oct 17 2010, 12:35 AM Post #124 |
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Thank God for that post ^^^^^^ Yes there are a lot of idiots in the BNP, but there are also a lot of people who were against militant islam when nobody else was doing anything about it. Those people had to turn somewhere. They weren't automatically racists, because it's possible to agree with one part of a manifesto, without agreeing with all of it. Here's what I think... Never voted BNP and wouldn't dream of it, but any of their people who want to ditch the racism are welcome in my house. I can't help remembering a video that was posted on here recently of a thing in Glasgow where a load of scruffy bastards smashed up a BNP stall. You know when you just think "Grrraaaah" One of those Louisville Slugger moments. That's what. |
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| Deleted User | Oct 17 2010, 01:05 AM Post #125 |
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Before you just come out with that you've gotta detertmine what type of nationalism you're on about. From your post I'm gonna say it's 'White Nationalism' that you disagree with right? But what I'm saying is please don't add it all to the saylme group, I'm a Nationalist an 'English Nationalist' and disagree with 'White Nationalism'. |
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| Dhimmi | Oct 17 2010, 01:09 AM Post #126 |
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LionSingh - you are an individual and you have the freedom to choose who you are. This cannot be forced on you and must come from within yourself. From your name, I'm guessing you're a Sikh, which is another aspect to your identify. How you decide resolve these two entities - England and Sikhism - is up to you, but since Sikhism is not at war with the English people there is nothing to stop you having a dual identity, as an English-Sikh. To be truly English is not about having the correct genes, it's about having the right connection to the land, the history; its present, its future. A kind of love for all those things. A willingness to fight to protect them. Now some people may say you're not English at all because you have the wrong colour skin, well, that is just their problem. Many people with the "wrong colour skin" make better Englishmen that a lot of those with the "right coloured skin." As long as you know the truth of what is in your heart, that is all that matters. |
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| lionsingh | Oct 17 2010, 01:47 AM Post #127 |
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I used the term Nationalist because when I spoke to the NF...they always reffered to themself as nationalist....which was the start of my question. I am a nationalist..I love my country...It is a term I often hear of extreme right-wing NF types...So I asked a question....and the uproar has been huge....ask..are you a nazi..No..I am a nationalist! I tried to make it clear to those on the extreme right....I think I offended a lot of people by using that term...and am glad a lot of proud patriots complained that they were real nationalists. Started a thread ...many people responded..I got banned...The NF use the term to describe themselves...which is a disgrace to me...as you in the EDL are real. My question was for the NF and BNP extremists who use the word...I am proud that a lot of people have taken issue without feeling guilty about being one. I am a nationalist like you....The extreme-right like to use this term... that was my point of the topic...to the extreme-right...ITS THE TERM THEY USE...whereas decent people here are also are ...and understand what it really means. Me...I am English..dont have to prove it to the BNP types...who claim they are real nationalists... The EDL are real people who care about our country who are the real patriots and positive nationalists.. Lets all be Nationalists and stand up for our culture against the evil and backward Islamic barbaritity. I am proud to be a nationalist for those that allow me, but will stand by those who stand up against Sharia and Muslim attempts to dominate. I really believe that not yet fully..but there will be a danger of allowing even one inch to seperate laws for this evil ideology. Read the Quran for those that havent... I am sorry for those I might have offended inadvertanly.. The EDL has given us forum to question and make a real response. |
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| lionsingh | Oct 17 2010, 02:05 AM Post #128 |
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Simple...I love England in my soul and through Christ...My land I would die for..
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| Jethro | Oct 17 2010, 02:21 AM Post #129 |
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For over 1000 years the blood, sweat, tears, turmoil, battles, love, life and death of my forefathers define who i am, it is the very blood that courses through my veins and pumps through my heart, i am England! I fight not just for my country but my very existence. |
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| lionsingh | Oct 17 2010, 02:59 AM Post #130 |
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Okay just 44 years for me...I would fight also for my existence and Englands. We agree. Hows Odin doing ?..or Thor or Wodin... I am getting old...you posted a real cool picture last time....Think it was Odin without underpants....do you have a Thor with a hammer one ? Thanks for the support mate... |
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| Spence | Oct 17 2010, 03:21 AM Post #131 |
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Lionsingh I dont know where to start, your comments are pathetic and childish. IMO it seems you had some bad experience with some racist's and decided that they were English "Nationalist's". You seem to have a grudge against anyone who voted for BNP? There was 1 million British citizens who voted BNP are you saying they are all scum? as for the comment that you would prefer "Sharia" than Nationalist BNP voters? if that is so then sorry but I think you are out of order. Give me ANYONE who puts England first than someone who would rather have Sharia law. |
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| Deleted User | Oct 17 2010, 03:23 AM Post #132 |
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@lionsingh: You say you are a patriot and that comes through loud and clear in your posts. Personally, I've never doubted it with the energy of your posts. Some of us (well me!) may be a little more.....older and....'settled' in our ways but can be equally as patriotic as yourself, though somewhat 'calmer' (for want of a better word) but don't allow this to frustrate you! This thread has had it's ups and downs and I think you've shone through alright in the end. (Just thought I'd share this thought with you!) Our common aim is to save OUR country. When I |
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| BeanLaden | Oct 17 2010, 03:57 AM Post #133 |
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| Xboxgen | Oct 17 2010, 04:03 AM Post #134 |
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Islam is a serious concern for everyone in the UK. everyone is threatened by it. even the UAF. the way I see the UAF is they would rather be kept as pets by the muslims than stand up and fight for their and everybody else's freedom. I don't want to sound extreme but Islam as a whole is the biggest threat to the world than even the Nazi's. there is something fundermentally wrong with the way all muslims think. their line of thinking their logic is detrimental to this country. their core belief and values need to be questioned. I've read the Kuran. I recommend you do. know thy enemy. as for nationalists. I would consider myself to be. if that means caring about my country and doing what is best for it. every religious group, every colour, every gender, sexual orientation within this country should feel safe and walk freely without fear of persecution unless you threaten our way of life. if the Islamification of Great Britain goes unchallanged no non muslim will will be safe. we need to push it back. right back by any and all means. |
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| Deleted User | Oct 17 2010, 04:11 AM Post #135 |
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I think LS's original post should be put into context. The 'other thread that shall remain nameless' brought up many emotions and many views, the minority of which exposed some views with which we do not to be associated. His message is to them and their cohorts. I agree with his sentiments 100%. However, while I feel that the leadership of the BNP are dodgy as hell, I wouldn't necessarily say that BNP voters are racist and nazis. I do feel a bit bad that such voters gave such leadership the thumbs up. I've also taken a step back with my views about nationalism. I always had the same view as LS due to my knowledge of people who called themselves nationalists. They were, predominantly, nazis. The Blood & Honour music scene called themselves the nationalist music scene, the NF called themselves nationalists, etc. But, pardon the pun, nationalism doesn't seem to be as black and white. It seems there are are different views linked with nationalism. What seems to have raised it's ugly head the most (sh1t sticks better than flowers after all) is RACIAL nationalism. This is where those aforementioned groups sit. I have found no one on this site who calls themselves a nationalist (for whatever reason) to be within that definition. I'm, admittedly, still a little unsure of the line between patriotism and nationalism and whether the line is blurry or not. However, it seems the latter is a subset of the former. I think, semantics aside, we really know what LS means. He doesn't want racists & nazis here. Neither do I. Neither do you. |
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| Xboxgen | Oct 17 2010, 04:20 AM Post #136 |
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LS made a stand. which is good. it is very disheartening to see an englishmen making a nazi salute. the EDL would be wise to disassociate themselves from anyone who shares such views. LS knows what the EDL stands for and thats the EDL I want to be part of. |
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| Quiet_Man | Oct 17 2010, 05:14 AM Post #137 |
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People making the Nazi salute should remember that the nazis were allies of the Islamic grand Mufti of Jerusalem Amin Al-Hussein who was an Arab nationalist and also Yasser Arafat's Teacher and Uncle. During the years of World War II he was involved in recruiting Arab support for Nazi Germany. Nazis were big fans of violent Islamists. By making a nazi salute you indicate sympathy for jihadists. |
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| Xboxgen | Oct 17 2010, 05:36 AM Post #138 |
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thats right. people need to hear these important facts and understand it. cheers. |
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| lan-astaslem | Oct 17 2010, 08:40 AM Post #139 |
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You did not answer my question, and I strongly suspect You will answer a straight yes or no You have called out right the BNP and its supporters scum, for a start you have been very misleading about BNP,s policy, But there is not need to go into it here as it has been discussed several times on this forum. Now the point is, I have been following BNP for quite a few years, in fact since 2004. Why you may ask. Well, they where the only group that was speaking out against islam. Also the only british blogs tackling islam back then where run by BNP supporters or, Sihk/Hindus. Ironically Nigk Griffen was brought before the courts and tried for basically saying the same as Wilders, before 95% of the people on this forum ever heard about Wilders Your little rant makes me wonder, and as a person who conditionally supports BNP because of there position regarding islam has peeved me off |
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| Forourcountry | Oct 17 2010, 08:45 AM Post #140 |
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As a BNP member I have neve heard such a load of bollocks from the OP. It was like reading the UAF website, ''Nazi, racists etc etc''. Funny enough, the abuse to the BNP from the OP poster, is the same aimed at the EDL from the UAF. In case anyone has not noticed anyone can join the BNP, there are now black and Sikh members. I won't defend the leadership of the BNP, but I will the members. BNP members are just men and women concerned that their Country is changing all around them from uncontrolled mass imigration, without them being asked. Fair enough your entitled to your opinion if your in favour of large scale immigration from the Third World, and some of our Cities now looking like Cities from Pakistan, but the hundreds of thousands of people who voted BNP are entitled to theres, democracy and all that. I know of BNP members who have mixed raced kids, and black and Asian partners, all this ''Nazi'' stuff is UAF propaganda. Myself, while being an ''evil white racist'' and having a white wife and kids, have a couple of black friends who I have known for years, they have no problem about me being in the BNP. The BNP are not any street fighting force, they are not physically capable of attacking anyone, not that they would want to. Remember the abuse of racist and Nazi, originates from the same people who call the EDL the same names now. The OP poster is correct that the BNP leadership has tried to steal some things of the EDL, such as the anti Halal camapaign. But that has more to do with the leadership of the BNP, trying to stop the internal fighting within the BNP at present happening. The leadership of the BNP is corrupt, BNP membership is falling fast. A new party is being created called the ''British Freedom Party''. I understand this party will have it's membership open to all people who are loyal to Britain. It still will be anti immigration, and that the people of this Country have a right to defend their culture and history. The banning of the Burkha, no more building of Mosques, sharia law to be made ilegal, I have read are some of their polices. There is a vacum opening in British politics for a party which is nationalist, but not based on race. It remains to be seen if this party will be ''The British freedom Party''. (BTW I have nothing to do with this new party). |
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| JMTW | Oct 17 2010, 09:35 AM Post #141 |
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Nationalist, BNP member and proud. If you have to explain 'Britishness' to some jonny-come-lately with a foul mouth and no sense of pride for what has gone before then what is the point? Just another sign that successive governments have failed us in this country. |
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| mostonian | Oct 17 2010, 09:46 AM Post #142 |
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Ask the working class British man and women, who effectively couldn't vote until relatively recently. Ask the children who worked in the mills, and consider all the other ills that befell the British working class. My point is, It wasn't just foreigners who suffered under these historic times, but everybody, the difference being we seem to have got over it. In my experience, the most racist and bigoted people I've ever met, have been people who are not white. the hatred some so called ethnic minorities show to other ethnic minorities in this country is astonishing. Edited by mostonian, Oct 17 2010, 09:55 AM.
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| Parson-St-Station | Oct 17 2010, 10:02 AM Post #143 |
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As a newbie, I don't know if I have the right to comment on such an emotional post? However I remember LionSingh offering the use of a Sikh marching band. Surely one of the later protests/marches would gain terrific PR from seeing an EDL march with 60 Sikh drummers at the front. Whichever one is up to you Lion but what a wonderful sight it would be. Any thoughts? |
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| mostonian | Oct 17 2010, 10:07 AM Post #144 |
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Welcome! of course your allowed to comment, it doesnt matter to me if you've made a thousand comments or one, everybody is entitled to their point of view. The reason I would disagree with Lionsingh sentiment is, he's offended many nationalists and patriots with his wild assertions that they are some kind of bloodthirsty Fascist's. |
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| Deleted User | Oct 17 2010, 10:12 AM Post #145 |
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at the end of the day LS is confusing nationalism with racism. you cant accuse all nationalists of been nutzis? it doesnt compute? what bout the english democrats, theyre english nationalists? im not even mentioning the SNP - those twats are virtually communists and god knos how they dare call themselves nationalists but it proves the point totally that all nationalists arent racist nutjobs....only a small minority and their take on nationalism are. the topic title needs editing then ill agree. |
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| JMTW | Oct 17 2010, 10:15 AM Post #146 |
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Unless he is very stupid, i think that was his intention |
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| Parson-St-Station | Oct 17 2010, 10:19 AM Post #147 |
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Thanks Mostonian, well LionSingh, it seems the ball is in your court. The Sikh drummers would be such a visable sign that we are not 'Nazi's' but anti 'Islamic fanatics'.THousands would join. Up to you mate, you made the offer, please get your lads together so we can show Britain we are multi-cultural, and are proud to be so. Imagine, Sikh drummers,Jewish divisions, Dutch flags, Gay and lesbian divisions all together in the same protest. How can the mainstream press not report on this? Cheers guys and gals...to my family, you are an inspiration. |
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| Deleted User | Oct 17 2010, 12:32 PM Post #148 |
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my last thought on this thread is, here lies the problem with the ENA. nationalism covers a very broad spectrum and a nationalist alliance is going to attract people from ALL kinds of nationalism. your goin to get more sieg heilers an an ENA event id have thought as its a nationalist alliance! |
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| Deleted User | Oct 17 2010, 12:34 PM Post #149 |
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Agreed, the ENA was set up to piggy-back the EDL |
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| Battle of Lepanto | Oct 17 2010, 12:39 PM Post #150 |
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I think the reasons why the EDL isn't more 'multi-cultural', or why more diverse groups of people are not prepared yet to join in might include some of the following: 1. Bad media representation and misrepresentation 2. The feeling that perhaps things are not as bad as all that 3. The idea that the demos end in trouble and that 'casual racism' is to be heard 4. The idea that the EDL has become a magnet for all sorts of people on the far right - always seen as 'racist' 5. Many people feel uncomfortable with one ethnic/religious/racial group being the object of people's anger - regardless of what 'they' have done 6. The idea that the EDL demos are anti-Muslim rather than anti-Islamist 7. The idea that being anti-Islam is the same as being anti-Muslim (a very thin line separates them) Points 2-7 could all depend on point 1. I can understand people's apprehensions and I can see that points 2-7 may have a nugget of truth about them to the minds of others. They do my mind from time to time. Of course, many EDL supporters claim that none of this matters, and "who cares what the middle class lefties think? They got us into this mess in the first place." I'd say the "No one likes us, we don't care!" route isn't the best one. That would be self-destructive. I'd also be careful of considering this part of some kind of class conflict. It's what the powers-that-be would want. Beware of being instrumentalised. (Anyone ever watch Alan Bleasdale's GBH? 'Working class movements' [left or right] are full of provocateurs.)Edited by Battle of Lepanto, Oct 17 2010, 12:40 PM.
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8:18 PM Jul 11
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Feliz Navidad (Gold) created by Sarah & Delirium of the ZNR










would want. Beware of being instrumentalised. (Anyone ever watch Alan Bleasdale's GBH? 'Working class movements' [left or right] are full of provocateurs.)
8:18 PM Jul 11