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To the nationalists; an honest question
Topic Started: Oct 16 2010, 07:51 PM (2,951 Views)
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In my opinion I couldn't give a sh1t who you vote conservative,liberal democrat,ukip,the greens monster raving loony party I don't care.but what I could give a sh1t about is arseholes trying to hijack the edl for their own politcal agenda.As long as you leave your poltical views
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Oct 16 2010, 09:06 PM
Im sorry this is bollox, I am a nationalist, It doesn't mean im BNP or C18 or whatever, Nationalism was around way before the nazi's were around, I think your confused between to term nationalist and nazi.

This to me is very offenceive, It's like someone saying all muslims are terrorists, It's a hypocritical blanket attack on all nationalists even the good types, As i see it all BNP are nationalists but not all nationalists are BNP you can't use this very loose term and expect to get away with it.

Even Ukip are involved with nationalist motives and why the hell not, Being national centric is not wrong or bad.

Ill just assume you have no damn idea what nationalism is, The fault is the establishment and the far left for making the word national and nazi interchangable, Nationalism has nothing to do with nazism as much as it has to do with socialism.
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Quiet Man, I feel the exact opposite to you, when I was younger, I had been brainwashed by stupid mates and others to hate England. I regarded myself as Welsh and not British and got into one or two physical debates lol. Today I am just as proud to say, I am British, as i am to say, I am Welsh. I suppose age has mellowed my foolishness. I am not saying you are being foolish but I know I was. NS
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Oct 16 2010, 09:07 PM
@ ruby
There is not an indian division, or sikh or pakistan or jamaican or any other commonwealth division
if we had british in the title all these ppl would be involved more so than they are now in my opinion



Are you saying these people can't be English only British? :ermm:

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Oct 16 2010, 09:13 PM
@QUIET MAN
The british empire was one of the greatest achievmants the english have ever had
why would you turn your back on it?
Because it's gone.

It was an achievement to be sure, but those days are gone. British is tainted goods in the eyes of much of the world, why do you think the Scots and Welsh deny their britishness?

The future is England!
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anyone slightly paranoid might think EXPOSE were at work lately,
what with the religion,jew and nationalist thrads in 2 days.

AND I DONT GIVE A FUK WHAT COLOUR OR RELIGION YOU ARE AS LONG AS YOUR STANDING BEHIND THE UNION JACK.
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Oct 16 2010, 09:06 PM
Im sorry this is bollox, I am a nationalist, It doesn't mean im BNP or C18 or whatever, Nationalism was around way before the nazi's were around, I think your confused between to term nationalist and nazi.

This to me is very offenceive, It's like someone saying all muslims are terrorists, It's a hypocritical blanket attack on all nationalists even the good types, As i see it all BNP are nationalists but not all nationalists are BNP you can't use this very loose term and expect to get away with it.

Even Ukip are involved with nationalist motives and why the hell not, Being national centric is not wrong or bad.

Ill just assume you have no damn idea what nationalism is.
I agree bud i am fed up up of automatically been called bnp because i am an English Nationalist ,i am called racist for this stance ,well in that case so are the scotts ,welsh and cornish as the majority of each nation want to be inclusive but culturally different and recognised as such.

Not much to ask unless you ask the far left ......
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are you saying these ppl must throw away there heritage or they are pariahs?
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Remember guys there is no compromise, If you love England you are a nazi and a racist.

I hate this scum.
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Oct 16 2010, 08:39 PM
Liosingh do you think Geert Wilders should be supported because he said islam is evil and is now standing trial risking one year in jail

Just a yes or no
100% Wilders right to freedom..see my previous posts
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I must say the op has NEVER said why he started this thread
It is clear we all have differing views on some subjects HOWEVER we all agree on sharia
just thought we should remember that
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The English/British Rugby league team today played a team called the 'New Zealand Maoris', no one batted an eyelid, but if the New Zealand rugby team played in England against a team of all white players called the 'English Anglo Saxons' or whatever, all Hell would break loose... can someone explain the difference to me. Because I don't get it.
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i wonder if lionsingh lived in india wether he'd want the sikh traditions upholding and to put the best for india before any other country?
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Oct 16 2010, 09:17 PM
@ruby
are you saying these ppl must throw away there heritage or they are pariahs?

Don't talk complete bollox, don't dare to put words in my mouth.
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Did they have all moari players?

i see your point tho

the moari are a defeated ppl in NZ are they not

maybe they will let us have a english football team under sharia?
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I know one thing, when I watch The British Lions on tour or when they play, my heart is bursting with BRITISH pride. NS
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Oct 16 2010, 09:14 PM
Quiet Man, I feel the exact opposite to you, when I was younger, I had been brainwashed by stupid mates and others to hate England. I regarded myself as Welsh and not British and got into one or two physical debates lol. Today I am just as proud to say, I am British, as i am to say, I am Welsh. I suppose age has mellowed my foolishness. I am not saying you are being foolish but I know I was. NS
You can be who you want to be, but the days of Britain are nearly over, the EU has made sure of that, they see the UK as a country of nations (Scotland, Wales and Northern ireland) and regions, (that would be the English) Successive UK governments have sold us down the river but the final straw was devolution for me, until then we had one government for the UK and I was happy enough to be British. Now Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland have their own parliaments/Assemblies. Where's the English parliament? We're ruled by the UK government in Westminster where strangely enough Scots, Welsh and Northern irish MP's get to vote on matter pertaining to England alone (University fees) and get them put into law. Yet the English don't get the same right in your assemblies. And yes I know there are a lot more English constituencies, but MP's are there for the U*K, not England and they usually vote on unionist party lines.
The British hold the English down, we're the only nation in the EU without our own parliament, The previous and current Prime Ministers couldn't even bring themselves to say England or English, it was always Britain or British or this country or our country. Even in Parliamentary questions, cameron said the current world cup bid would be good for "Britain" not the country going for it.
British is just the term the powers that be use to be inclusive means immigrants can tag British before their country of origin. They seem to think it means English too, but not for me, English and British are not the same and I choose to be English.
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PLEASE tell me what I have done wrong...why cant i Post.. can admin contact me and explain. I think I am still a member...Please explain why I have been blocked ? At least give me a chasnce to reply to the critics... Give me answers as I think this is political ?!

Look at my comments...This is reaLLY UNFAIR..
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Oct 16 2010, 09:13 PM
@QUIET MAN
The british empire was one of the greatest achievmants the english have ever had
why would you turn your back on it?
one of the greatest acheivements in history. no question. look at the romans, mongols, egyptcians, persians etc..... one day people will look back and look back and rate the british empire. it was a great fcuking achievement for these thiny isles. the biggest empire ever known to man.

and to the OP bollocks i say, people can say what they want, its an open forum. tuff. dont give a fcuk as long as people dont bring personal politics to the demos and leave they leave it at home.

NFSE!
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@ruby

all i was saying was if we had british in the title none of this bollox would matter!!!

as i said before hindsight is a luxury no man has

@lion singh WHAT PROMPTED THIS THREAD?
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All I can say is, this is Britain! and we welcome all people to 'OUR LAND' regardless of color, but! not on their terms and conditions, strictly on ours, and if they can't respect or conform or even threaten our way of life, then they must leave, either politely or we will sling them out.
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@QUIET MAN
The british empire was one of the greatest achievmants the english have ever had
why would you turn your back on it?
one of the greatest acheivements in history. no question. look at the romans, mongols, egyptcians, persians etc..... one day people will look back and look back and rate the british empire. it was a great fcuking achievement for these thiny isles. the biggest empire ever known to man.

and to the OP bollocks i say, people can say what they want, its an open forum. tuff. dont give a fcuk as long as people dont bring personal politics to the demos and leave they leave it at home.

NFSE!
spot on mate!
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Oct 16 2010, 09:36 PM
@ruby

all i was saying was if we had british in the title none of this bollox would matter!!!

as i said before hindsight is a luxury no man has

@lion singh WHAT PROMPTED THIS THREAD?
Just wanted to know the die hard NF type and the real patriots ...
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Lionsingh:

I will say this for the last time. You have been placed on moderation due to you insulting members - and you refused to stop when asked.
And dont give it `it must be political why I have been banned` because that won`t wash.
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@ruby

all i was saying was if we had british in the title none of this bollox would matter!!!

as i said before hindsight is a luxury no man has

@lion singh WHAT PROMPTED THIS THREAD?

It's a pity that isn't all you were saying...you were putting words

in my mouth, that's the bollox!!!!!!!
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@ ruby
There is not an indian division, or sikh or pakistan or jamaican or any other commonwealth division
if we had british in the title all these ppl would be involved more so than they are now in my opinion


And I wouldn't because I'm English, not British.

Win some, lose some.
But England is a British country. So you would be involved.
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and do you think it matters to the muslims from different sects, you think they dont hate each other? but they'll always come together and unite against the Infidel.

dont let any diferences you have with members on here stop you getting off your arse and getting to a demo. i fcuking dont. we ALL need to unite against a common enemy, the islamic doctrine. for every knob theres many many more sound lads, and lasses.
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@ ruby
There is not an indian division, or sikh or pakistan or jamaican or any other commonwealth division
if we had british in the title all these ppl would be involved more so than they are now in my opinion


And I wouldn't because I'm English, not British.

Win some, lose some.
But England is a British country. So you would be involved.
Not if it was the "British" defence league.

I wouldn't give it the time of day.
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Oct 16 2010, 09:13 PM
In my opinion I couldn't give a sh1t who you vote conservative,liberal democrat,ukip,the greens monster raving loony party I don't care.but what I could give a sh1t about is arseholes trying to hijack the edl for their own politcal agenda.As long as you leave your poltical views
at home when you come to edl demos Im not bothered.
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Oct 16 2010, 09:16 PM
anyone slightly paranoid might think EXPOSE were at work lately,
what with the religion,jew and nationalist thrads in 2 days.

AND I DONT GIVE A FUK WHAT COLOUR OR RELIGION YOU ARE AS LONG AS YOUR STANDING BEHIND THE UNION JACK.
NFSE
^^^^ and that.
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Do you not think an opponent would say this in a debate with you?
i completely understand your pov and to some point agree however you left yourself open.

anyway TRUCE :)
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Oct 16 2010, 09:31 PM
I know one thing, when I watch The British Lions on tour or when they play, my heart is bursting with BRITISH pride. NS
It's a Rugby league team I think?. and I'm British also, and also proud of my Irish, Scottish heritage. And I could not care less about the color of the players representing The UK, England, Scotland,Wales Northern Ireland, Eire as long their hearts are in the right place.

My point about the NZ Maoris is, it's OK for them to be proud of their heritage, but it seems to be a mortal sin to be proud of being White and English in our crazy anti- English society.
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Do you not think an opponent would say this in a debate with you?
i completely understand your pov and to some point agree however you left yourself open.

anyway TRUCE :)

I accept your apology and I'm glad you agreed with me in the end, you condescending arse. :P

Truce. :)

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I vote bnp because I am pissed off by mass immigration, and seeing huge parts of our country utterly colonised by non-english people.

If that makes me scum, so be it. Spark Brook - is that England lionsingh? Or is that colonisation?
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PLEASE tell me what I have done wrong...why cant i Post.. can admin contact me and explain. I think I am still a member...Please explain why I have been blocked ? At least give me a chasnce to reply to the critics... Give me answers as I think this is political ?!

Look at my comments...This is reaLLY UNFAIR..
You haven't been banned, you've temporarily been put on moderation (by admin not by me).

But I will give you a tip, don't report my posts (saying keep the peace. post #13), 'cause I get to see and deal with the reported posts, not a wise idea.

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Why did I start this thread...To be honest love the courage of the EDL ...but was for those that I believe are fascist...It was clearly for the BNP, NF types.

Have 300 posts and now I am banned from posting....Was in several posts before where I felt extreme views in my opinion)... Wanted to ask who was really against sharia or really against anything non-white etc...

LOOK at the response... I got banned from the site...NOT FAIR... Stuck up for the "Jews" thread...just asked the BNP nationalists ..Nazis types to speak out..,.

I GOT BANNED....

For What...telling these twats they cant even understand the success that the EDL gets ??

WHY ???

Okay..you dont want me ..I quit.
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does anyone know why this thread was started?
is it a genuine greivance or trouble making?
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Oct 16 2010, 10:01 PM
does anyone know why this thread was started?
is it a genuine greivance or trouble making?
my guess is a dodgy gas fire
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ok a question for you all..

what does the term being british mean?

and...

what defines us as english?

is it the british army or english army?
british legion or english legion?


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Lionsingh:

I will say this for the last time. You have been placed on moderation due to you insulting members - and you refused to stop when asked.
And dont give it `it must be political why I have been banned` because that won`t wash.
I have a lot of respect for the regular posters. Just choose this thread to speak to the real nazi so called members. ...which members have I insulted ?

Please tell me to which member I have insulted ?

IF I were wrong I would apologise immediately.. too much red wine distorts my rationality...

I questinioned Englandman ...sorry..
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ok a question for you all..

what does the term being british mean?

and...

what defines us as english?

is it the british army or english army?
british legion or english legion?


Depends on whether you're a civic nationalist or a racial nationalist.

In short. Civic nationalists believe anyone can become a member/citizen of the nation simply by desiring to be so. The Scots do it very well with the SNP being pretty much all inclusive of races and colours.

Racial nationalists say you can't be a member of our race/nation unless you look like us and were born here. The germans used the term Aryan.
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British is someone who holds a British passport.

English is someone who was born here and both their parents are English.That means I am not English as only one of my parents was born in this country so I refer to myself as British rather than English.Its the English name that is keeping a lot of ethnic minorities out of the EDL as they think its only for English people.
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i think after all the tony blair glory years 1/2 the world holds a british passport now.
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spot on the swine...

my mother is welsh father is english!...think my dad got confused one day and thought he was doing the english a favour in some form of "prima nockta"

if we look back through our history, the UK has been invaded by the vikings,normans and a few blue faced jocks got as far as york.....so realistically if we all traced our family tree back to yr dot, many of us wouldnt technically be english!..just a thought.
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hey guys and gals im proud to be english or british however anybody classes me well if we wanna start a storm lets get edl voted onto councils like the bnp have and lets have another say ps im proud to stand with the union jack and st georges flag and that is where my heart is EDL
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To be english is to be part of somthing that is bigger than you.
The english (british) have gifted many things to mankind.
We have given the world the english language that is accepted now as being the international language, the industrial rev was started in england, our parliament is the mother of all democracy in the world,we have made countless scientific leaps and continue to do so ,

we exported our tecnologys throughout the world via our empire ,which is still the largest empire that has ever existed. We have spawned nations (canada,usa,australia,new zealand) and greatly enhanced other cultures. We have given many sports to the world (football,cricket,rugby) and most important we have given the world yorkshire pudding AND chips n gravy.

People do not realise there english culture because we share it with so many around the world, BUT IT IS OUR CULTURE that they copy.
Our history and culture is so rich your question would have to be answered in a document spanning 1 million pages.
To be english is to be part of history

no surrender


i stick by my post on the what does it mean to be english post

This great country of ours was started by the english but carried on by the BRITISH
britain without england is dead but england without britain is dead

i think we should be proud of not only the home nations but other parts of the empire
the usa is now the dominant force in the world
we spawned canada, australia, new zealand
india is growing massively and will become a major ally in the future
ALL CORNERS OF THE COMMONWEALTH HELPED DEFEND US FROM THE GERMAN HORDES TWICE

BRITAINS NEVER WILL BE SLAVES
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Oct 16 2010, 10:01 PM
does anyone know why this thread was started?
is it a genuine greivance or trouble making?
I assume it was because of a previous thread where Lionsingh was told he could not be English because he is not of anglo saxon heritage.
I don't think it was meant to wind him up but it seemed to. Some people believe that the English are a tribe, a distinct people and that to be English you have to have that heritage. Others think that if you are born in England you are English.
So I guess it depends upon your viewpoint, is being English more than just being born here and does it have to include ancestry. I don't think that having the former viewpoint makes you racist in any way.
I'm pretty sure that wherever I was born in the world I'd consider myself to be English because of my heritage and parents. England isn't recognised (or doesn't appear to be recognised) as a seperate nation, there is no English passport. We are simply British, so there is an argument that to be English is something more than just being born in the southern part of Britain however that viewpoint is highly offensive to some.
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To be english is to be part of somthing that is bigger than you.
The english (british) have gifted many things to mankind.
We have given the world the english language that is accepted now as being the international language, the industrial rev was started in england, our parliament is the mother of all democracy in the world,we have made countless scientific leaps and continue to do so ,

we exported our tecnologys throughout the world via our empire ,which is still the largest empire that has ever existed. We have spawned nations (canada,usa,australia,new zealand) and greatly enhanced other cultures. We have given many sports to the world (football,cricket,rugby) and most important we have given the world yorkshire pudding AND chips n gravy.

People do not realise there english culture because we share it with so many around the world, BUT IT IS OUR CULTURE that they copy.
Our history and culture is so rich your question would have to be answered in a document spanning 1 million pages.
To be english is to be part of history

no surrender


i stick by my post on the what does it mean to be english post

This great country of ours was started by the english but carried on by the BRITISH
britain without england is dead but england without britain is dead

i think we should be proud of not only the home nations but other parts of the empire
the usa is now the dominant force in the world
we spawned canada, australia, new zealand
india is growing massively and will become a major ally in the future
ALL CORNERS OF THE COMMONWEALTH HELPED DEFEND US FROM THE GERMAN HORDES TWICE

BRITAINS NEVER WILL BE SLAVES
I'm surprised you think that England a nation of 55 million people wouldn't survive without 5 million Scots, 2 million Welsh and 1 million Northern Irish tacked on to it.
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inclusion is the key to victory
exclusion brings only defeat
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im english generations back on both sides ,
but have met no prouder brits than the scots,welsh and ulstermen that stand with us.
british first for me, i fekn love the union jack.
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Oct 16 2010, 10:40 PM
inclusion is the key to victory
exclusion brings only defeat
Anglo ergo sum

I think I'm English, therefore I am. It can be just as inclusive as British and without all the baggage that the old empire carries in its memory. Yes the British Empire was overall a good thing, but ask the Sikh's about the massacre at the golden temple, the South Africans about concentration camps, the Chinese about the signs in Shanghai saying no dogs or Chinese on the grass lawns.

To be British carries a burden from the past, to be English looks to the future.
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