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| dave34 | Oct 19 2010, 04:01 PM Post #101 |
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"But she goes not abroad in search of monsters to destroy.She is the well-wisher to the freedom and independence of all.She is the champion and vindicator only of her own." Those were wise words said many years ago in reference to the United Stated,but they are words that i think could apply to our own country today.There is a difference between selfishness and wisely not intervening in wars outside your own borders. Click here to see more reasons why a troubled future awaits Israel.What becomes of the Jewish state if it becomes majority ultra-orthodox and muslim? As for this not being an Islam-Jewish state war is anyone making the contention Muslim and Jewish beliefs about Jerusalem are not central to the insolubility of the conflict?If anyone wants to read a good book on how religion really does play a part read The End of Days by Gershom Gorenberg. Is my selfishness the reason the group numbers in thousands and not hundreds of thousands? I would wonder if the position i set out may draw more people to the EDL than staunch support of Israel.i may be wrong,perhaps difficult to empirically prove. To be clear if Israel disappeared it would not change Europe's quandary of the demographic change and exactly where many Muslims set the bar for "Islam is under attack". I will always say Israel has a right to defend itself and not be subjected to bigotry and double standards but i refer back to the statement at the beginning of this post. Some say it's"Today Israel,Tomorrow the world".No doubt many muslims would like to conquer the world for Islam but at the moment many muslims,particularly in the middle-east seem to be focused on there Sunni/Shia war. So it might be "Today Israel,tomorrow Sunni vs Shia in the middle-east"on a far larger scale than what we have seen on Iraq.Which would mean Muslim vs Muslim in middle east as opposed to focusling on the West.Though i again i say this does not change Europe's quandary. |
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| lionsingh | Oct 19 2010, 05:06 PM Post #102 |
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Re Nemisis...very good point... "If people are "offended" by an Israeli flag then my advice to them is dont look at it! If people cant understand that we have Jewish support fighting FOR British democracy then we are at a loss. Jews have so much more to loose from their association with us rather than the other way round" Perhaps it is a way of them saying the EDL isnt fascist...we stand by them....they march on our streets by the EDL. Perhaps I dont know how much grief members of the Jewish division get from their community...but I suppose it must be a lot..Still...maybe "multi-kulti" works in the EDL ? |
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| nemisis123456 | Oct 20 2010, 12:31 AM Post #103 |
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No it shows that "some" people are being "divisive" about it.
Ah your leadership are you?
Since when? The more we affiliate and work together with like-minded groups fighting against Islamofascism the better, that draws support, attention and gives us strength. We dont have to agree with absolutely everything some other groups do or say but we can say we agree with certain things and collaborate for the greater good.
You dont have to but the EDL does support Israel. Personally im proud to have Jews fighting by my side.
We need support from everywhere how blind can you be mate? Sure we can go and run some scum from off "OUR" streets, we can win street battles but that in itself wont win the war. You have no idea just how much support we have, you wont stop that support no matter how hard you try.
It is a grass roots movement, the EDL can NEVER EVER FORGET THAT. The EDL is not someone elses political tool, you have your eyes wide shut mate. Take off your sh1t tinted glasses will you?
This is about England, its also about Scotland, N.Ireland and Wales too. Oh its also about a "GLOBAL JIHAD" that affects everyone everywhere in the world. Being insular means being closed off from reality, such an opinion wont stem the tide of Islamist aggression. WAKE UP!!!! |
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| yura777 | Oct 20 2010, 08:47 PM Post #104 |
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I repeat(See my introduce) I apologize for my poor English. I am from Russia. Jew .. |
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| Deleted User | Oct 20 2010, 08:51 PM Post #105 |
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Yura77, trust me, your English is good. Wangdda was just being cheeky. |
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| kaimana1 | Oct 20 2010, 09:49 PM Post #106 |
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Hi yura777, what is the muslim situation like in russia right now? Is there alot of muslim immigrants in moscow and st petersburg? Is the chechen islamic fundamentalist problem spreading outside of chechnya? Im very curious to hear what a native russian like you has to say about this! Thank you |
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| Deleted User | Oct 20 2010, 10:17 PM Post #107 |
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Yeah it would be good to hear how things are going in Russia. Here is an interesting link about Islam and Russia for anyone who is interested: http://infidel753.blogspot.com/2006/12/islam-dying-out-in-russia.html |
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| kaimana1 | Oct 20 2010, 10:45 PM Post #108 |
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We-Are-The-British ...great link! even many former muslim soviet socialist republics like in uzbekistan tajikistan etc.. you will find few practicing muslims in those countries. however with plenty of dawah teachers pouring in from saudi etc... that might change
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| Deleted User | Oct 20 2010, 10:48 PM Post #109 |
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Islam is reported to be dying in Africa as many many Africans are leaving Islam. So it's not just Russia where Islam is dying. |
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| lan-astaslem | Oct 21 2010, 02:08 AM Post #110 |
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I like your optimism Islam since the demise of the Soviet Union: Russia had about 300 mosques in 1991 and now there are at least 8,000, about half of which were built with money from abroad, especially from Turkey, Iran and Saudi Arabia. There were no Islamic religious schools in 1991 and today there are between 50 and 60, teaching as many as 50,000 students. The number of Russians going on the hajj each year, has jumped from 40 in 1991 to 13,500 in 2005. http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2005/08/predicting-a-majority-muslim-russia Now, all over black Africa, and through money and money alone, Arabs have been attempting to spread Islam. Sometimes it is the Saudis, with those mosques and madrasas. Sometimes it is Muammar Khaddafy. A few weeks ago, as I said, I ran into an American couple, the wife a native of Togo, who had just returned from a year in Lomé. And their horror at the number of mosques – from 4 a decade ago to 400, they estimated, today, and the sullen Muslims who have suddenly appeared everywhere, with a way of life distinctly different from that of the Christians http://www.newenglishreview.org/custpage.cfm/frm/45046/sec_id/45046 |
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“One day, millions of men will leave the Southern Hemisphere to go to the Northern Hemisphere. And they will not go there as friends. Because they will go there to conquer it. And they will conquer it with their sons. The wombs of our women will give us victory.” – Houari (Mohamed) Boumedienne, President of Algeria, 1965 – 1978, in a 1974 speech at the UN
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| yura777 | Oct 21 2010, 09:45 AM Post #111 |
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| yura777 | Oct 22 2010, 09:48 AM Post #112 |
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kaimana1,Here is the top articles on your subject Russia's Islamic Threat The notion that the Chechen-led jihad in the North Caucasus is an indigenous affair, far removed from the global Islamist jihad, is perhaps comforting to Americans and other Westerners, but it is a myth. Moreover, the North Caucasus jihad may be the harbinger of a much larger Muslim challenge to Russia's political stability and state integrity. So concludes Gordon M. Hahn in this meticulously researched analysis of Russia's emerging Islamic threat. Hahn draws an explicit picture of an already sophisticated and effective Chechen jihadist network that is expanding the territorial scope of its operations with inspiration and some assistance from the global jihadist movement. Given its proximity to large stockpiles of diverse weapons, the expanding population of Russian-based Islamist terrorists is a particular cause for alarm, the author warns. The book lifts the veil on the Muslim challenge to Russia's political stability, national security, and state integrity, as well as the... http://knigolog.ru/v.505631/gordon-m-hahn-russia-s-islamic-threat.html I beg my excuse, but you had written some bull. What British soldiers, who can participate in actions for surviving of Israel you, are talking about? Who place a question like that? Israel can protect itself. It has got a strong army. I'm talking about your and many other European short-sighted leaders, and also authorities of US and Russia doesn't see the real treat, that comes from Islamic world. They press by any ways on this little country. They call to boycott Israel merchandises and Anti-Israel resolutions of UN. Israel doesn't need British soldiers dying for it. I read on your site that sometimes people refused to serve these soldiers. Islamists. I suppose, it should concern you more. I read on your web-page that you concern the destiny of poor Palestinians who live in Gaza sector. Do you even know, that in my poor Russia, the life level in province are much lower, than in Gaza Edited by yura777, Oct 22 2010, 10:18 AM.
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| yura777 | Oct 22 2010, 07:14 PM Post #113 |
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| kaimana1 | Oct 24 2010, 03:57 AM Post #114 |
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HI yura777 thanks for the link! I agree that the islamist problem in russia SHOULD be of concern to the U.K, U.S and the rest of the west . my country the U.S condemned russia for its war against chechnya when they should have asked the russians if they needed help, this was a part of the war against terrorism. oh well hopefully, after obama is kicked out of the presidency... we might get serious. i would like to respond to a part of your comment directed to dave which was this : "I read on your web-page that you are concerned about the destiny of poor Palestinians who live in the Gaza strip. Do you realise that in my poor Russia the living level in the province is much lower than in Gaza?" I say GREAT POINT many of those that like to blast israel seem to turn a blind eye to darfur and southern sudan for example or like you pointed out parts of russia itself.... the HYPOCRISY of the anti israel crowd is overwhelming! Edited by kaimana1, Oct 24 2010, 04:00 AM.
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| dragon | Oct 24 2010, 06:11 AM Post #115 |
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Can i ask lad how we keep getting in to this, yes there is a big pro isral lobby in side the EDL and yes some of us do not like it but they are not doing any harm. If isral falls it COULD start bigger things in the west by giving the mussis a win. So we must help isral when we can as long as it dose not stop or slow our fight at home. My viwe is i like most Jews but dislike isral but not as much as i HATE the jiadists |
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| yura777 | Oct 29 2010, 08:32 PM Post #116 |
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Some people here are worried about Palestinians. Here, read their demands. Their impudence astonishes. Their demands are much higher than life level in Russian prisons. First: Visits 1- Removal of glass barriers. 2- Increasing the visiting time to one hour. 3- Allowing children to visit. 4- Allowing all prisoners’ relatives to visit. 5- Doubling the visits for brothers and sisters of the prisoners. 6- Allowing visits without the barbed wire (private visits). 7- Allowing visits of relatives of the second and third degrees. 8- Holding prisoners in prisons close to their homes. 9- Detaining prisoners, who are first degree relatives, in the same prison. 10- Allowing the entry of clothes and other essentials to prisoners. 11- Allowing prisoners to take photographs with family and children. 12- Allowing prisoners from Arab countries four-hour visits every six months. 13- Allowing photos to be brought in without a limit on numbers. 14- Allowing traditional dresses, head covers, hats, watches and blankets to be brought in. 15- Allowing family visits on Fridays. 16- Allowing visitors in as soon as they arrive without delaying them in the prison or at roadblocks. 17- Allowing visitors to buy from the canteen without imposing limits. 18- Providing different types of soft drinks and not only Sprite. 19- Allowing prisoners to meet their visitors in their normal clothes, not limited by color or design. 20- Allowing handcrafts, made by prisoners, out of the prison. 21- Allowing the entry of all kinds of cigarettes, audio and video cassettes and video games during visits. Second: Phone calls 1- Installing payphones in various parts of the prison or allowing prisoners to own and use mobile phones. 2- Allowing the prisoners' representative to call organizations, lawyers and the PA ministry of prisoners. 3- Removing electronic interference devices because they cause cancer. Third: Food 1- Preparing a menu that includes a comprehensive variety of food products and allowances to each prisoner and handing it to the representatives of prisoners. 2- Changing the vegetable and fruit basket and stopping the practice of reducing the quantities. 3- Allowing prisoners to buy their own fruits, vegetables, meats and fish every month. 4- Allowing prisoners to cook their own foods according to their customs and religious teachings. 5- Reopening kitchens which have been withdrawn from prisoners. 6- Replacing cooking materials with new ones. 7- Opening a bakery to be run by security prisoners and allowing bread to be brought in during visits. Four: Medical treatment 1- Developing prison clinics to receive emergency cases especially in Nafha and the presence of a doctor on call throughout the week. 2- Allowing a prisoner to work in the clinic. 3- Carrying out necessary operations on prisoners who need them. 4- Allowing private doctors and facilitating their entry. 5- Extending the list of specialties of doctors visiting the prison to include all specialties. 6- Allowing teeth implants at the prisoner's expense and by his private doctor. 7- Allowing organ transplants for prisoners who have been waiting for years for kidney and cornea transplants and providing artificial limbs to those prisoners who need them. 8- Allowing prisoners to buy mattresses, cushions, medical shoes and some medicines from the prison shop. 9- Solving the problems of the Ramlah hospital. 10- Giving each prisoner a comprehensive health checkup at least once a year. 11- Giving each prisoner an eyesight test once every six month and providing the necessary glasses and contact lenses as well as treating eye problems including cornea transplants. 12- Allowing prisoners to have equipment for measuring blood pressure and sugar level if they need them. Five: Numbers 1- Ending the policy of individual and group solitary confinement and returning those in isolatoin to the prisons. First: Visits 1- Removal of glass barriers. 2- Increasing the visiting time to one hour. 3- Allowing children to visit. 4- Allowing all prisoners’ relatives to visit. 5- Doubling the visits for brothers and sisters of the prisoners. 6- Allowing visits without the barbed wire (private visits). 7- Allowing visits of relatives of the second and third degrees. 8- Holding prisoners in prisons close to their homes. 9- Detaining prisoners, who are first degree relatives, in the same prison. 10- Allowing the entry of clothes and other essentials to prisoners. 11- Allowing prisoners to take photographs with family and children. 12- Allowing prisoners from Arab countries four-hour visits every six months. 13- Allowing photos to be brought in without a limit on numbers. 14- Allowing traditional dresses, head covers, hats, watches and blankets to be brought in. 15- Allowing family visits on Fridays. 16- Allowing visitors in as soon as they arrive without delaying them in the prison or at roadblocks. 17- Allowing visitors to buy from the canteen without imposing limits. 18- Providing different types of soft drinks and not only Sprite. 19- Allowing prisoners to meet their visitors in their normal clothes, not limited by color or design. 20- Allowing handcrafts, made by prisoners, out of the prison. 21- Allowing the entry of all kinds of cigarettes, audio and video cassettes and video games during visits. Second: Phone calls 1- Installing payphones in various parts of the prison or allowing prisoners to own and use mobile phones. 2- Allowing the prisoners' representative to call organizations, lawyers and the PA ministry of prisoners. 3- Removing electronic interference devices because they cause cancer. Third: Food 1- Preparing a menu that includes a comprehensive variety of food products and allowances to each prisoner and handing it to the representatives of prisoners. 2- Changing the vegetable and fruit basket and stopping the practice of reducing the quantities. 3- Allowing prisoners to buy their own fruits, vegetables, meats and fish every month. 4- Allowing prisoners to cook their own foods according to their customs and religious teachings. 5- Reopening kitchens which have been withdrawn from prisoners. 6- Replacing cooking materials with new ones. 7- Opening a bakery to be run by security prisoners and allowing bread to be brought in during visits. Four: Medical treatment 1- Developing prison clinics to receive emergency cases especially in Nafha and the presence of a doctor on call throughout the week. 2- Allowing a prisoner to work in the clinic. 3- Carrying out necessary operations on prisoners who need them. 4- Allowing private doctors and facilitating their entry. 5- Extending the list of specialties of doctors visiting the prison to include all specialties. 6- Allowing teeth implants at the prisoner's expense and by his private doctor. 7- Allowing organ transplants for prisoners who have been waiting for years for kidney and cornea transplants and providing artificial limbs to those prisoners who need them. 8- Allowing prisoners to buy mattresses, cushions, medical shoes and some medicines from the prison shop. 9- Solving the problems of the Ramlah hospital. 10- Giving each prisoner a comprehensive health checkup at least once a year. 11- Giving each prisoner an eyesight test once every six month and providing the necessary glasses and contact lenses as well as treating eye problems including cornea transplants. 12- Allowing prisoners to have equipment for measuring blood pressure and sugar level if they need them. Five: Numbers 1- Ending the policy of individual and group solitary confinement and returning those in isolatoin to the prisons. Six: Fines & penalties 1- Ending [the practice of] collective punishment. 2- Ending [the practice] of fines. 3- Ending [the practice] of confiscating prisoners' belongings and ending [the practice] of punishing prisoners by banning visits. 4- Returning the confiscated money and using it to develop the health and education of the prisoners. 5- Compensating prisoners for any items that has been willfully damaged [by the prison staff]. 6- Limiting solitary confinement to one week maximum and providing suitable living conditions: toilet, basin, fan, two hours stroll per day, allowing books and cassettes and allowing refreshments. The prisoner in isolation should not be handcuffed inside his cell or when he meets the administration or even in court. Seven: University education 1- Allowing prisoners [to enroll in correspondence courses] in Arab and foreign universities. 2- Ending the policy of punishing the prisoner by denying him/her to complete his/her education. 3- Allowing newspapers and magazines into the prison without delays. 4- Allowing prisoners to buy electronic dictionaries other than Al-Huda dictionary. 5- Providing each room with a computer and not students only. 6- Providing study rooms for students and re-opening libraries. 7- Allowing all stationary. 8- Allowing photocopying of papers. Eight: The canteen 1- Allowing buying food from Arab sources. 2- [Products sold in the prison canteen] should not be subject to 17% VAT. 3- Canteens in all prisons should have one price list. 4- Ending the limitations on the brands sold in the canteen. 5- Forming a committee to investigate the legality of imposing VAT on products sold in the canteen and to check whether or not prisoners benefit from the profits made. 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| Deleted User | Oct 29 2010, 08:38 PM Post #117 |
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I always doubt anyone who has so obviously just copied and pasted something they have googled. I'm not even going to go and waste my time to go and google where you got it from to make you look stupid. |
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| yura777 | Oct 29 2010, 08:39 PM Post #118 |
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And so on. Read, please and be surprised-)))))) http://www.palestinehistory.com/issues/prisoners/prison04.htm njh1972 i apologize for the long quote, but it seems interesting. Edited by yura777, Oct 29 2010, 09:03 PM.
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| BlueStar | Oct 29 2010, 11:09 PM Post #119 |
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What attracted me to the EDL was that it seems to have a joined up anti-Jihadist strategy insofar as it recognises the enormous power and global reach of the militant ideology now transforming England's culture. To safeguard English culture Islamo-Fascism has to be addressed both here and throughout the world by forging mutually-supportive links with those involved in the worldwide anti-Jihadi struggle. Those who prefer to focus their fight to preserve English culture without reference to global Jihadism I have absolutely no problem with - just as I have no problem with those who fight to preserve English culture by seeking to engage with the global Jihadist menace wherever it rears its ugly head. In these times, when Pakistan has nuclear weapons and Iran is on the way to getting them, to have any security one has to address the root cause of the problem - which problem is the mindset created by an expansionist and militant ideology that inculcates hatred of those, wherever they might live in the world, who are not willing to submit to its own worldview. This mindset - the mindset of Islamo-Fascism -is deeply rooted throughout the world and is spread by demographic and religious expansionism. Professor Richard Dawkins spoke of ideologies as being akin to memes - ideas passed on by cultural transmission - some of which have a positive effect whilst others have a more destructive effect - rather akin to viruses in the brain that spread themselves by being culturally passed down the generations. Unless the ideological virus of Islamo-Fascism is identified and challenged directly, so as to break the route of cultural transmission in those populations infected by it and/or to prevent its transmission to otherwise virus free populations (who cherish their own cultural values thank you very much) then the spread of Islamo-Fascism into English and other cultures will only get worse. |
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| Deleted User | Oct 29 2010, 11:31 PM Post #120 |
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Exactly, well said BlueStar. |
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| yura777 | Nov 1 2010, 09:34 PM Post #121 |
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Some of you treat Israel with hostility. (факты выражаются в индефинит!) In general, history repeats itself .. If it had not been for the position of the British government 70 years ago, many European Jews would have remained alive. Six months before the start of World War II, Eichmann summoned to his office a delegation of Jewish leaders from Germany and Austria. Aaron Walter Lindenstrauss - who many years later became one of the witnesses at the Eichmann trial - appeared in front of him, as a member of the Jewish Agency in Berlin. Together with the others he was involved in the repatriation of German Jews to Eretz Yisrael. The Jews wanted to emigrate, the Nazi regime did not object, and only the British authorities prevented them from doing it by limiting the number of certificates for their repatriation to Palestine Edited by yura777, Nov 1 2010, 09:37 PM.
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| Quiet_Man | Nov 1 2010, 09:41 PM Post #122 |
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That was mostly the doing of the British Foreign Office which was (and is today) a vipers nest of Arab lovers dating from the time of T E Lawrence. Most of the British people are not like them at all, even Mosley's British Union of Fascist could barely raise any support for their anti-Jewish marches throughout the country. |
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| yura777 | Nov 1 2010, 10:16 PM Post #123 |
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the NAZI REGIME DID NOT OBJECT, and ONLY the BRITISH authorities PREVENTED them |
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| Quiet_Man | Nov 1 2010, 10:42 PM Post #124 |
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That's what I said, no excuses. However the British people and the British authorities are not one and the same. Some of the most shameful acts in our history can be directly attached to a government decision not to act. The betrayal of the German Jews, Czechoslovakia, even after the war with the return of the free cossacks to Stalin. |
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| yura777 | Nov 2 2010, 09:55 AM Post #125 |
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Excuse me, but I do not know how to erase the last posting--((((( Excuse me, but I do not know how to erase the last posting--((((( Edited by yura777, Nov 2 2010, 10:18 AM.
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| yura777 | Nov 8 2010, 11:28 PM Post #126 |
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British Anti-Zionism Then and Now By Rory Miller British Anti-Zionists Now http://www.covenant.idc.ac.il/en/vol1/issue2/miller_print.html The most active, and significant, anti-Zionist body in Britain today is the Palestine Solidarity Campaign (PSC). |
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| Deleted User | Nov 9 2010, 12:02 AM Post #127 |
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I,ve just tried to read through this thread, but it just gets so complex. It seems that this question about Isreal just never stops...I am just thankful I am English. |
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