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«Yet scapegoating Israel won't atone you».
Topic Started: Oct 16 2010, 06:39 PM (2,074 Views)
yura777
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I like your site, since folks gathering here are into common interest in preventing of islam's global spreading.
Even though it, imho, has already have happened.
However...
Once there was a brit Chamberlain, who, being supported by some other frenchman Daladier, have sold Czechoslovakia out to Hitler.
And yet Europe is trying to bribe muslims by giving them Israel out.
USA, in her turn, with its current muslim leader, stands somewhere not that far.
There's also Russia somewhere in between...
Both your prime and foreign affair minister were initiating anti-israel resolutions more than once.
That's the way it's being done — a whole world against a pocket-size state.
Yet selling Israel wont help you much.

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I'd like to change the topic of my new thread, although for some unknown reasons I'm unable to. So please change it in my stead to «Yet scapegoating Israel won't atone you». Thanks in advance.

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An appeaser is someone who feed the crocodile hoping that it will eat him last. - Churchill

The sell-out to Hitler started with his invasion of the Rhineland. The German army were under orders to retreat at the first sign of allied opposition. But the allies did nothing. So Hitler gobbled up the Rhineland. But that didn't satisfy him, in fact it whetted his appetite.

After the Rhineland he went for Austria, then Sudetenland, then all of Czechoslovakia, then Poland... and the rest, as they say, is history.

The Muslims are the same. The more you give them, the more they want. The sooner they're stopped, the less the ultimate cost in death and destruction. A few bullets through Nazi heads in the Rhineland would have prevented Dunkirk, the Blitz, Stalingrad etc.

Israel is our Rhineland.
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Oct 17 2010, 08:38 AM
An appeaser is someone who feed the crocodile hoping that it will eat him last. - Churchill

The sell-out to Hitler started with his invasion of the Rhineland. The German army were under orders to retreat at the first sign of allied opposition. But the allies did nothing. So Hitler gobbled up the Rhineland. But that didn't satisfy him, in fact it whetted his appetite.

After the Rhineland he went for Austria, then Sudetenland, then all of Czechoslovakia, then Poland... and the rest, as they say, is history.

The Muslims are the same. The more you give them, the more they want. The sooner they're stopped, the less the ultimate cost in death and destruction. A few bullets through Nazi heads in the Rhineland would have prevented Dunkirk, the Blitz, Stalingrad etc.

Israel is our Rhineland.
Thank you for your kind words
I apologize for the long quote, but it seems interesting.

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Jewish World Review July 27, 2004 / / 9 Menachem-Av 5764

Explaining the Arab-Israeli conflict through numbers

By Dennis Prager









http://www.JewishWorldReview.com | For the many readers who have requested a brief synopsis of the moral arguments in the Arab-Israeli conflict, I offer the following list of numerical data.


Number of times Jerusalem is mentioned in the Hebrew Bible: over 700

Number of times Jerusalem is mentioned in the Koran: 0

Number of Arab leaders who visited Jerusalem when it was under Arab rule (1948 to 1967): 1

Number of Arab refugees who fled the land that became Israel: approximately 600,000

Number of Jewish refugees who fled Arab countries: approximately 600,000

Number of U.N. agencies that deal only with Palestinian refugees: 1

Number of U.N. agencies that deal with all the other refugees in the world: 1

Number of Jewish states that have existed on the land called Palestine: 3

Number of Arab or Muslim states that have existed on the land called Palestine: 0

Number of terrorist attacks by Israelis or Jews since 1967: 1

Number of terrorist attacks by Arabs or Muslims since 1967: thousands

Percentage of Jews who have praised the Jewish terrorist: approximately .1

Percentage of Palestinians who have praised Islamic terrorists: approximately 90

Number of Jewish countries: 1

Number of Jewish democracies: 1

Number of Arab countries: 19

Number of Arab democracies: 0

Number of Arab women killed annually by fathers and brothers in "honor killings": thousands

Number of Jewish women killed annually by fathers and brothers in "honor killings": 0

Number of Christian or Jewish prayer services allowed in Saudi Arabia: 0

Number of Muslim prayer services allowed in Israel: unlimited

Number of Arabs Israel allows to live in Arab settlements in Israel: 1,250,000

Number of Jews Palestinian Authority allows to live in Jewish settlements in Palestinian Authority: 0

Percentage of U.N. Commission on Human Rights resolutions condemning an Arab country for human rights violations: 0

Percentage of U.N. Commission on Human Rights resolutions condemning Israel for human rights violations: 26

Number of U.N. Security Council resolutions on the Middle East between 1948 and 1991: 175

Number of these resolutions against Israel: 97

Number of these resolutions against an Arab state: 4

Number of Arab countries that have been members of the U.N. Security Council: 16

Number of times Israel has been a member of the U.N. Security Council: 0

Number of U.N. General Assembly resolutions condemning Israel: 322

Number of U.N. General Assembly resolutions condemning an Arab country: 0

Percentage of U.N. votes in which Arab countries voted with the United States in 2002: 16.6

Percentage of U.N. votes in which Israel voted with the United States in 2002: 92.6

Percentage of Middle East Studies professors who defend Zionism and Israel: approximately 1.

Percentage of Middle East Studies professors who believe in diversity on college campuses: 100

Percentage of people who argue that the Jewish state has no right to exist who also believe some other country has no right to exist: 0

Percentage of people who argue that of all the countries in the world, only the Jewish state has no right to exist and yet deny they are anti-Jewish: approximately 100

Number of Muslims in the world: more than 1 billion

Number of Muslim demonstrations against Islamic terror: approximately 2

http://www.jewishworldreview.com/0704/prager_israel_arab_stats.php3
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nice facts, people do forget that there's two sides to this conflict
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An appeaser is someone who feed the crocodile hoping that it will eat him last. - Churchill

The sell-out to Hitler started with his invasion of the Rhineland. The German army were under orders to retreat at the first sign of allied opposition. But the allies did nothing. So Hitler gobbled up the Rhineland. But that didn't satisfy him, in fact it whetted his appetite.

After the Rhineland he went for Austria, then Sudetenland, then all of Czechoslovakia, then Poland... and the rest, as they say, is history.

The Muslims are the same. The more you give them, the more they want. The sooner they're stopped, the less the ultimate cost in death and destruction. A few bullets through Nazi heads in the Rhineland would have prevented Dunkirk, the Blitz, Stalingrad etc.

Israel is our Rhineland.
Thank you for your kind words
I apologize for the long quote, but it seems interesting.

Quote:
 
Jewish World Review July 27, 2004 / / 9 Menachem-Av 5764

Explaining the Arab-Israeli conflict through numbers

By Dennis Prager









http://www.JewishWorldReview.com | For the many readers who have requested a brief synopsis of the moral arguments in the Arab-Israeli conflict, I offer the following list of numerical data.


Number of times Jerusalem is mentioned in the Hebrew Bible: over 700

Number of times Jerusalem is mentioned in the Koran: 0

Number of Arab leaders who visited Jerusalem when it was under Arab rule (1948 to 1967): 1

Number of Arab refugees who fled the land that became Israel: approximately 600,000

Number of Jewish refugees who fled Arab countries: approximately 600,000

Number of U.N. agencies that deal only with Palestinian refugees: 1

Number of U.N. agencies that deal with all the other refugees in the world: 1

Number of Jewish states that have existed on the land called Palestine: 3

Number of Arab or Muslim states that have existed on the land called Palestine: 0

Number of terrorist attacks by Israelis or Jews since 1967: 1

Number of terrorist attacks by Arabs or Muslims since 1967: thousands

Percentage of Jews who have praised the Jewish terrorist: approximately .1

Percentage of Palestinians who have praised Islamic terrorists: approximately 90

Number of Jewish countries: 1

Number of Jewish democracies: 1

Number of Arab countries: 19

Number of Arab democracies: 0

Number of Arab women killed annually by fathers and brothers in "honor killings": thousands

Number of Jewish women killed annually by fathers and brothers in "honor killings": 0

Number of Christian or Jewish prayer services allowed in Saudi Arabia: 0

Number of Muslim prayer services allowed in Israel: unlimited

Number of Arabs Israel allows to live in Arab settlements in Israel: 1,250,000

Number of Jews Palestinian Authority allows to live in Jewish settlements in Palestinian Authority: 0

Percentage of U.N. Commission on Human Rights resolutions condemning an Arab country for human rights violations: 0

Percentage of U.N. Commission on Human Rights resolutions condemning Israel for human rights violations: 26

Number of U.N. Security Council resolutions on the Middle East between 1948 and 1991: 175

Number of these resolutions against Israel: 97

Number of these resolutions against an Arab state: 4

Number of Arab countries that have been members of the U.N. Security Council: 16

Number of times Israel has been a member of the U.N. Security Council: 0

Number of U.N. General Assembly resolutions condemning Israel: 322

Number of U.N. General Assembly resolutions condemning an Arab country: 0

Percentage of U.N. votes in which Arab countries voted with the United States in 2002: 16.6

Percentage of U.N. votes in which Israel voted with the United States in 2002: 92.6

Percentage of Middle East Studies professors who defend Zionism and Israel: approximately 1.

Percentage of Middle East Studies professors who believe in diversity on college campuses: 100

Percentage of people who argue that the Jewish state has no right to exist who also believe some other country has no right to exist: 0

Percentage of people who argue that of all the countries in the world, only the Jewish state has no right to exist and yet deny they are anti-Jewish: approximately 100

Number of Muslims in the world: more than 1 billion

Number of Muslim demonstrations against Islamic terror: approximately 2

http://www.jewishworldreview.com/0704/prager_israel_arab_stats.php3
how many innocent christians and muslims killed in the middle east in the past 80 years by zionists?

yeah that's right. insane isn't it. jewish fundamentalism seems alot worse when you look at the the real numbers doesn't it.

and your definition of terrorism, lmao. calling you 'small minded' doesn't quite do you justice.

state terrorism is terrorism. fact.
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uk4ever, you're against Israel's right to exist, right? So that means you would support an Islamic Arab state in the land of Israel?

A Jewish state seems a lot better than an Islamic Arab state. Have a look at the other Arab countries and maybe you'll see what I mean.
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UK4ever why are you here when you know we support Israel? Get rid of this clown.
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I don't think the EDL has an official stance on Israel.

And are you suggesting that because someone is against Israel they should go? That doesn't seem right imo.
I support Israel's right to exist but people are entitled to their own opinion.
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If Israel goes down, just where do you think the Islamics will look next?
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Not everyone in the EDL is going to agree on Israel, everyone is entitled to their own opinions but please keep it civil.
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yura777
Oct 16 2010, 06:39 PM
I like your site, since folks gathering here are into common interest in preventing of islam's global spreading.
Even though it, imho, has already have happened.
However...
Once there was a brit Chamberlain, who, being supported by some other frenchman Daladier, have sold Czechoslovakia out to Hitler.
And yet Europe is trying to bribe muslims by giving them Israel out.
USA, in her turn, with its current muslim leader, stands somewhere not that far.
There's also Russia somewhere in between...
Both your prime and foreign affair minister were initiating anti-israel resolutions more than once.
That's the way it's being done — a whole world against a pocket-size state.
Yet selling Israel wont help you much.

Are you a native English speaker? Can't understand a word of this.
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Andy Wilders
Oct 17 2010, 09:39 PM
UK4ever why are you here when you know we support Israel? Get rid of this clown.
your wrong there mate!
theres a lot of people dont support israel in the EDL.
and some of those have lived there!
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uk4ever
Oct 17 2010, 09:25 PM
yura777
Oct 17 2010, 09:12 PM
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Oct 17 2010, 08:38 AM
An appeaser is someone who feed the crocodile hoping that it will eat him last. - Churchill

The sell-out to Hitler started with his invasion of the Rhineland. The German army were under orders to retreat at the first sign of allied opposition. But the allies did nothing. So Hitler gobbled up the Rhineland. But that didn't satisfy him, in fact it whetted his appetite.

After the Rhineland he went for Austria, then Sudetenland, then all of Czechoslovakia, then Poland... and the rest, as they say, is history.

The Muslims are the same. The more you give them, the more they want. The sooner they're stopped, the less the ultimate cost in death and destruction. A few bullets through Nazi heads in the Rhineland would have prevented Dunkirk, the Blitz, Stalingrad etc.

Israel is our Rhineland.
Thank you for your kind words
I apologize for the long quote, but it seems interesting.

Quote:
 
Jewish World Review July 27, 2004 / / 9 Menachem-Av 5764

Explaining the Arab-Israeli conflict through numbers

By Dennis Prager









http://www.JewishWorldReview.com | For the many readers who have requested a brief synopsis of the moral arguments in the Arab-Israeli conflict, I offer the following list of numerical data.


Number of times Jerusalem is mentioned in the Hebrew Bible: over 700

Number of times Jerusalem is mentioned in the Koran: 0

Number of Arab leaders who visited Jerusalem when it was under Arab rule (1948 to 1967): 1

Number of Arab refugees who fled the land that became Israel: approximately 600,000

Number of Jewish refugees who fled Arab countries: approximately 600,000

Number of U.N. agencies that deal only with Palestinian refugees: 1

Number of U.N. agencies that deal with all the other refugees in the world: 1

Number of Jewish states that have existed on the land called Palestine: 3

Number of Arab or Muslim states that have existed on the land called Palestine: 0

Number of terrorist attacks by Israelis or Jews since 1967: 1

Number of terrorist attacks by Arabs or Muslims since 1967: thousands

Percentage of Jews who have praised the Jewish terrorist: approximately .1

Percentage of Palestinians who have praised Islamic terrorists: approximately 90

Number of Jewish countries: 1

Number of Jewish democracies: 1

Number of Arab countries: 19

Number of Arab democracies: 0

Number of Arab women killed annually by fathers and brothers in "honor killings": thousands

Number of Jewish women killed annually by fathers and brothers in "honor killings": 0

Number of Christian or Jewish prayer services allowed in Saudi Arabia: 0

Number of Muslim prayer services allowed in Israel: unlimited

Number of Arabs Israel allows to live in Arab settlements in Israel: 1,250,000

Number of Jews Palestinian Authority allows to live in Jewish settlements in Palestinian Authority: 0

Percentage of U.N. Commission on Human Rights resolutions condemning an Arab country for human rights violations: 0

Percentage of U.N. Commission on Human Rights resolutions condemning Israel for human rights violations: 26

Number of U.N. Security Council resolutions on the Middle East between 1948 and 1991: 175

Number of these resolutions against Israel: 97

Number of these resolutions against an Arab state: 4

Number of Arab countries that have been members of the U.N. Security Council: 16

Number of times Israel has been a member of the U.N. Security Council: 0

Number of U.N. General Assembly resolutions condemning Israel: 322

Number of U.N. General Assembly resolutions condemning an Arab country: 0

Percentage of U.N. votes in which Arab countries voted with the United States in 2002: 16.6

Percentage of U.N. votes in which Israel voted with the United States in 2002: 92.6

Percentage of Middle East Studies professors who defend Zionism and Israel: approximately 1.

Percentage of Middle East Studies professors who believe in diversity on college campuses: 100

Percentage of people who argue that the Jewish state has no right to exist who also believe some other country has no right to exist: 0

Percentage of people who argue that of all the countries in the world, only the Jewish state has no right to exist and yet deny they are anti-Jewish: approximately 100

Number of Muslims in the world: more than 1 billion

Number of Muslim demonstrations against Islamic terror: approximately 2

http://www.jewishworldreview.com/0704/prager_israel_arab_stats.php3
how many innocent christians and muslims killed in the middle east in the past 80 years by zionists?

yeah that's right. insane isn't it. jewish fundamentalism seems alot worse when you look at the the real numbers doesn't it.

and your definition of terrorism, lmao. calling you 'small minded' doesn't quite do you justice.

state terrorism is terrorism. fact.
Did Israel start any of the wars it was in? No

Yes, more Arabs were killed than Israeli. Why? The Zionists look after their people and fight infront of them instead of behind. Proof?
The Israeli government cares for its people and so installed the "Tzeva Adom" (Colouur Red) system in Israel to warn people of an incoming attack and thus saving lives.
Other arab states and Hamas didn't and haven't. Why? Because the more dead arabs and muslims on TV the more sympathy they get from small mind lefty unwashed.
Zionist don't use families and children as shields and send them to do the fighting.
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Oct 17 2010, 09:46 PM
yura777
Oct 16 2010, 06:39 PM
I like your site, since folks gathering here are into common interest in preventing of islam's global spreading.
Even though it, imho, has already have happened.
However...
Once there was a brit Chamberlain, who, being supported by some other frenchman Daladier, have sold Czechoslovakia out to Hitler.
And yet Europe is trying to bribe muslims by giving them Israel out.
USA, in her turn, with its current muslim leader, stands somewhere not that far.
There's also Russia somewhere in between...
Both your prime and foreign affair minister were initiating anti-israel resolutions more than once.
That's the way it's being done — a whole world against a pocket-size state.
Yet selling Israel wont help you much.

Are you a native English speaker? Can't understand a word of this.
USA's current muslim leader???

EDL is a broad movement, zionism isn't.

i don't wan't the settlers taking over this country.

can you see the irony in supporting the worst human right violators in the modern world?

i feel more solidarity with the palestinians during our current occupation in the UK.

you obviosly don't live in a city centre

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Oct 17 2010, 09:50 PM
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Oct 17 2010, 09:39 PM
UK4ever why are you here when you know we support Israel? Get rid of this clown.
your wrong there mate!
theres a lot of people dont support israel in the EDL.
and some of those have lived there!
Well if we don't why are we going to the embassy next Sunday? and if people don't keep it to yourself, what is wrong with people posting stuff in the public domain? Has anyone ever heard of PR? Whoever is now watching this will use it against us.. It's amateur night.
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Oct 17 2010, 09:39 PM
UK4ever why are you here when you know we support Israel? Get rid of this clown.
Im not pro isral so dose that mean you want me booted too? I think they have a right to have a state but think 90% of what the goverment do to keep it is wrong in one way or an other. I also think that the EDL should not get involved in this 2000 year old blood bath if members want to fine but do not expect me to join in. The EDL must always put England first then the UK the rest can join the que after that but id say the middle east is way down the list.
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recently.
1,133 Israelis and an estimated 5,144 Palestinians (including 952 children) have been killed since September 2000. From UN data, the post-1967 avoidable mortality (excess mortality) in the Occupied Palestinian Territories totals 300,000 and the post-1967 under-5 infant mortality 183,000 (of which 90% has been avoidable) - as compared to 2,178 post-1967 Israeli terrorism deaths (Israel Ministry of Foreign Affairs figures).



... also check http://anonym.to?http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/7375994.stm if you want to feel really sick.

you will notice a demographic change similar to our problems here
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UK4ever why are you here when you know we support Israel? Get rid of this clown.
your wrong there mate!
theres a lot of people dont support israel in the EDL.
and some of those have lived there!
Well if we don't why are we going to the embassy next Sunday? and if people don't keep it to yourself, what is wrong with people posting stuff in the public domain? Has anyone ever heard of PR? Whoever is now watching this will use it against us.. It's amateur night.
where have you been for the last year? theres been piles of israel debates on here,
usually ends up with people been accused of been NF or something when the pro lobby dont like the arguement.
ive no prob with people been pro israel,
their choice....theres a hell of a lot that arent tho.
i joined the EDL meself.
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yura777
Oct 16 2010, 06:39 PM
I like your site, since folks gathering here are into common interest in preventing of islam's global spreading.
Even though it, imho, has already have happened.
However...
Once there was a brit Chamberlain, who, being supported by some other frenchman Daladier, have sold Czechoslovakia out to Hitler.
And yet Europe is trying to bribe muslims by giving them Israel out.
USA, in her turn, with its current muslim leader, stands somewhere not that far.
There's also Russia somewhere in between...
Both your prime and foreign affair minister were initiating anti-israel resolutions more than once.
That's the way it's being done — a whole world against a pocket-size state.
Yet selling Israel wont help you much.

Are you a native English speaker? Can't understand a word of this.
You don't need to be cheeky, wangdda.
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EDL is a broad movement but we look polarised when someone waves an isreali flag.

it should be about England.

but i don't want the settlers here taking over and forcing religious extremism on us.
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Andy Wilders
Oct 17 2010, 09:54 PM
It's amateur night.
says the bloke that plastered all over EDL facebook page
bout the BNP/C 18 /NF coming to leicester?

i saw none meself...maybe 1?
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Oct 17 2010, 09:46 PM
yura777
Oct 16 2010, 06:39 PM
I like your site, since folks gathering here are into common interest in preventing of islam's global spreading.
Even though it, imho, has already have happened.
However...
Once there was a brit Chamberlain, who, being supported by some other frenchman Daladier, have sold Czechoslovakia out to Hitler.
And yet Europe is trying to bribe muslims by giving them Israel out.
USA, in her turn, with its current muslim leader, stands somewhere not that far.
There's also Russia somewhere in between...
Both your prime and foreign affair minister were initiating anti-israel resolutions more than once.
That's the way it's being done — a whole world against a pocket-size state.
Yet selling Israel wont help you much.

Are you a native English speaker? Can't understand a word of this.
You don't need to be cheeky, wangdda.
Yeah I know. Posting on internet forums really brings out the dickhead in me. I'll try reign it in.
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Well if we don't why are we going to the embassy next Sunday? and if people don't keep it to yourself, what is wrong with people posting stuff in the public domain? Has anyone ever heard of PR? Whoever is now watching this will use it against us.. It's amateur night.
where have you been for the last year? theres been piles of israel debates on here,
usually ends up with people been accused of been NF or something when the pro lobby dont like the arguement.
ive no prob with people been pro israel,
their choice....theres a hell of a lot that arent tho.
i joined the EDL meself.
I've been here watching to see how things panned out Clee. Waiting to see if it was some reincarnation of the BNP/NF etc... when I was satisfied that there were people involved with some intelligence and it wasn't some flash in the pan, then I decided to stand up.
People should be reading from the same hymn sheet, not posting stuff in a public domain. If you don't agree with something then keep it to yourself when there is a demo arranged. It's just amateur night and can be used against us. If I didn't agree with something that the Leadership had put on I wouldn't come on here in the public domain and put it down. That's all. I've no beef with anyone on here and would gladly buy everyone a pint and talk about it more.
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why did you put on EDL facebook bout the BNP/C18/NF coming to leicester then?
what a load of bollocks that was?
thats 20 times more public domain than here!
THATS AMATEUR NIGHT MATE"!
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uk4ever
Oct 17 2010, 10:04 PM
but i don't want the settlers here taking over and forcing religious extremism on us.
You mean Zionists?
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Oct 17 2010, 10:11 PM
why did you put on EDL facebook bout the BNP/C18/NF coming to leicester then?
what a load of bollocks that was?
thats 20 times more public domain than here!
THATS AMATEUR NIGHT MATE"!
All I was saying was that it could be anarchy, with many groups just turning up under the pretence for trouble. I was not insinuating that they would, blimey I now know what the press do with taking things out of context!
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Oct 17 2010, 10:04 PM
EDL is a broad movement but we look polarised when someone waves an isreali flag.

it should be about England.

but i don't want the settlers here taking over and forcing religious extremism on us.
Haven't made up my mind fully on this whole issue (it's a complex one), but tending to agree that israel flags on demos are a bit of a distraction from our main message.
A world free from ALL religious bigotry is humanity's best hope!
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At the end of the day, this forum is for discussions, we're not always going to agree with each other on every issue, but you can put your point across in a civil way and others can do the same.
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Oct 17 2010, 10:25 PM
clee1970
Oct 17 2010, 10:11 PM
why did you put on EDL facebook bout the BNP/C18/NF coming to leicester then?
what a load of bollocks that was?
thats 20 times more public domain than here!
THATS AMATEUR NIGHT MATE"!
All I was saying was that it could be anarchy, with many groups just turning up under the pretence for trouble. I was not insinuating that they would, blimey I now know what the press do with taking things out of context!
mate ive no prob with you at all,
but dont call it amateur hr and report people sayin they need booting because they dont support israel!
its the diversity of the EDL that scares the reds to death,
it takes all sorts.

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uk4ever
Oct 17 2010, 10:04 PM
EDL is a broad movement but we look polarised when someone waves an isreali flag.

it should be about England.

but i don't want the settlers here taking over and forcing religious extremism on us.
Your talking out your arse mate.

Israeli settlers arnt forcing ANYTHING on the EDL. Especially not any form of "religious extremism"

We don't look polarised when we wave an Israeli flag why would we be?

We fully support Israel's right to exist and Israel's right to defend itself.

Learn some history before you puke any more crap on this page eh?

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The hamas charter says Israel will continue to exist until Islam obliterates it,according to this story they might be right.
We could spend forever and a day arguing about the Islam-Jewish State war.If the EDL were to take an official position on this war,here-in my humble opinion-is what it should be:

The EDL take a staunchly neutral position on the wars of others,including the Islam-Jewish state war.
We believe the British tax payer has a right to raise there children in a peaceful country and we do not appreciate people repaying there welcome here by bringing the worlds ethnic,religious and tribal wars within our borders.
We have enough on our plate dealing with the fact our own country is commiting cultural suicide without involving ourselves in other wars.
Stauch supporters of Israel must answer the following:If it comes down to it,how many British soldiers would you be prepared to see die in a middle-eastern war to ensure Israel's survival? 10,100,1000,10 000?
If we are willing to see British soldiers die for Israel we'd better get a much bigger military.
It has not escaped our attention that many in the Islamic community seem to be repaying either there own welcome or the welcome of there parents or grandparents here by bringing the Islam-Jewish state war to this country.We reiterate:we do not appreciate this and the British tax payer has a right to raise there children in a peaceful country.




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Don't want any soldiers from anywhere else to fight our wars for us in Israel. Just don't tie our hands behind our back when we're fighting Islam.
Brian of London has been actively occupying a very small slice of hideously over-occupied Tel Aviv since early 2009.


Islam is a giant bungee cord tying it's adherents to the 7th century.
They can pull themselves almost to the twenty first century but eventually the cord tightens and flings them back.
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It's all about jihad, not about land. The same way Spain should be in an Islamic caliphate according to muslims, as it once was conquered by muslims.
Ever heard of the atomic bomb? When the existence of Israel is in danger, Israel or America will throw an atomic bomb.
Also: your rhetoric is the same rhetoric as Chamberlains' ''peace for our time''. The only way we can continue living in peace, is by NOT appeasing the thread of islam.
Israels' fight is our fight. We are one, and we won't let muslims finnish us of one at a time.
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Oct 18 2010, 05:50 AM
The hamas charter says Israel will continue to exist until Islam obliterates it,according to this story they might be right.
We could spend forever and a day arguing about the Islam-Jewish State war.If the EDL were to take an official position on this war,here-in my humble opinion-is what it should be:

The EDL take a staunchly neutral position on the wars of others,including the Islam-Jewish state war.
We believe the British tax payer has a right to raise there children in a peaceful country and we do not appreciate people repaying there welcome here by bringing the worlds ethnic,religious and tribal wars within our borders.
We have enough on our plate dealing with the fact our own country is commiting cultural suicide without involving ourselves in other wars.
Stauch supporters of Israel must answer the following:If it comes down to it,how many British soldiers would you be prepared to see die in a middle-eastern war to ensure Israel's survival? 10,100,1000,10 000?
If we are willing to see British soldiers die for Israel we'd better get a much bigger military.
It has not escaped our attention that many in the Islamic community seem to be repaying either there own welcome or the welcome of there parents or grandparents here by bringing the Islam-Jewish state war to this country.We reiterate:we do not appreciate this and the British tax payer has a right to raise there children in a peaceful country.




Dave you do have a point but it's founded on a lie: the lie that you're threatened by Islam because Jews have a country to rule in Israel where they once ruled thousands of years ago.

No, you are threatened by Jihad because you are non Muslim, a Kaffir, an unbeliever and guilty of insulting Islam by pretending that you too have the right to make rules in your own country that don't come from Allah.
Edited by brianoflondon, Oct 18 2010, 06:29 AM.
Brian of London has been actively occupying a very small slice of hideously over-occupied Tel Aviv since early 2009.


Islam is a giant bungee cord tying it's adherents to the 7th century.
They can pull themselves almost to the twenty first century but eventually the cord tightens and flings them back.
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Oct 17 2010, 09:57 PM
recently.
1,133 Israelis and an estimated 5,144 Palestinians (including 952 children) have been killed since September 2000. From UN data, the post-1967 avoidable mortality (excess mortality) in the Occupied Palestinian Territories totals 300,000 and the post-1967 under-5 infant mortality 183,000 (of which 90% has been avoidable) - as compared to 2,178 post-1967 Israeli terrorism deaths (Israel Ministry of Foreign Affairs figures).



... also check http://anonym.to?http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/7375994.stm if you want to feel really sick.

you will notice a demographic change similar to our problems here

Deaths from Internal Palestinian Violence

Since 2005, there has been a marked increase in the number of Palestinian deaths resulting from internal violence. In 2005, only 4% of the total Palestinian deaths for that year were the result of internal conflict. In 2006, the figures rose to 17% and in 2007, deaths from internal violence accounted for 65% of the total Palestinian death toll.

More than twice as many Palestinians were killed by other Palestinians (415) in 2007 as were killed by Israelis (185).

The cause of deaths from internal violence has changed. From the beginning of the intifada until the end of 2004, 72% of internal deaths were for alleged collaboration. The remaining deaths were detainees, accidents with firearms or gunfire incidents between the police and individuals.

Since January 2005, a different trend has emerged with 74 % of the deaths occurring as a result of factional fighting, 13% from family and clan feuds, 3% from so called “immoral behaviour” and 10% for other reasons or reasons that were unclear. Only eleven of the 573 internally related deaths, during that period, were for alleged collaboration.

During the most recent round of factional fighting in June 2007 armed groups engaged in acts that appeared contrary to international law including summary executions,torture,attacking ambulances and putting the lives of civilians at risk.

In June alone, 193 Palestinians were killed of which 181 were from factional violence.The rise of inter-factional fighting has also proved deadly for children: since 2005 a total of 39 Palestinian children have died from internal fighting. In 2007, approximately the same number of Palestinian children was killed as a result of internal violence (26) as were killed by Israeli security forces (25).

The changing patterns of internally related deaths reveal fundamental changes in the nature of Palestinian society particularly in the Gaza Strip. Whereas once collaboration constituted the ultimate crime because of a unified focus on resistance to the Israeli occupation, current concerns have focused inwards. Dominating them has been the Fatah and Hamas rivalries springing from the political divisions that have emerged largely as a result of the 2006 Palestinian Legislative elections.

The increasing lack of law and order to has also eroded public confidence, in the ability of the security forces to ensure protection. Consequently, many Palestinians in the Gaza Strip have sought protection from individual clans and family groups whose power has increased. But coupled with increasing gun ownership, family based disputes have also led to an increasing number of fatalities. In 2005 there were no recorded incidents of deaths caused by family fighting: by July 2007 there were 72 such cases.

There has also been an increase in the number of deaths for so called “immoral behaviour” including alleged drug dealing and honour killings, suggesting the increasing influence of Islamic groups. Since 2005 there have been 19 deaths for this reason with the figure for 2007 (14) almost three times that of 2006 (5). Although both men and women are victims, in 2007 there have been 11 cases of honour killings of women, (four cases in July) all reported in the Gaza Strip.

Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs (OCHA)

http://domino.un.org/UNISPAL.NSF/0/be07c80cda4579468525734800500272?OpenDocument

Unless otherwise indicated all figures used in this paper are derived from a combination of OCHA and B’Tselem data.

The link you gave goes to the BBC where the also link to B’Tselem data

When you compare the data from BBC and compare it with the data B’Tselem data a lot of figures do not add up

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/7375994.stm

http://www.btselem.org/english/statistics/Casualties.asp

So once again the BBC are caught out passing porkies

One very interesting thing to note the figures do not look good for Israel here, yet it is the Israelis who are publishing these figures.

Question remains what sort of figures would the arab publish.

If we would believe the Arabs there would be no conflict today as there would not be any alive, We just have to look at Jenin

"Jenin remained sealed throughout the invasion and rumors of a massacre circulated. Stories of hundreds or thousands of civilians being killed in their homes as they were demolished spread throughout the Arab world.

When it was over they where claiming 500

Subsequent investigations found no evidence to substantiate claims of a massacre. At least 52 Palestinians, mostly gunmen and 23 IDF soldiers were killed in the fighting.

“One day, millions of men will leave the Southern Hemisphere to go to the Northern Hemisphere. And they will not go there as friends. Because they will go there to conquer it. And they will conquer it with their sons. The wombs of our women will give us victory.”

– Houari (Mohamed) Boumedienne, President of Algeria, 1965 – 1978, in a 1974 speech at the UN

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Thank you Lan. Record well and truly straightened. And I will add one thing because I feel it: every death of an unarmed civilian is a damn tragedy and that specifically includes all innocent Arabs no matter what they believed.

If Islam laid down its arms there would be no more fighting here. If Israel laid down its arms there would be no more Jews.
Brian of London has been actively occupying a very small slice of hideously over-occupied Tel Aviv since early 2009.


Islam is a giant bungee cord tying it's adherents to the 7th century.
They can pull themselves almost to the twenty first century but eventually the cord tightens and flings them back.
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I'm of the mind that, YES, Israel has done some questionable things since it existed officially.
BUT, one has to also look at it in its entirety. Israel is a tiny state surrounded by aggressors. It HAS to appear dominant and unflinching or it will be swamped. It's akin to being the only non muslim house in an entirely muslim street. You have street jihadis out at night terrorising your family, throwing bricks through your windows and generally behaving in a beligerant manner. What is the non muslim householder supposed to do? Fight back brutally or appease the neighbours and move out?

I also think Israel is facing what we all fight against in the EDL, thouigh they are facing it directly at the coalface.
If Israel falls all hell will break loose all over the world. The Islamists will take the fall as a sign that the global calliphate is at hand and you caan bet your bottom dollar that terrorism and violence will ramp up even more than it has now.

I have a sh1tload of respect for Israel. An incredibly persecuted people throughout history, yet they still stand proud and they still exist and are succesful in whatever they do.

Israel's fight is our fight, in my opinion.
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I'm of the mind that, YES, Israel has done some questionable things since it existed officially.
BUT, one has to also look at it in its entirety. Israel is a tiny state surrounded by aggressors. It HAS to appear dominant and unflinching or it will be swamped. It's akin to being the only non muslim house in an entirely muslim street. You have street jihadis out at night terrorising your family, throwing bricks through your windows and generally behaving in a beligerant manner. What is the non muslim householder supposed to do? Fight back brutally or appease the neighbours and move out?

I also think Israel is facing what we all fight against in the EDL, thouigh they are facing it directly at the coalface.
If Israel falls all hell will break loose all over the world. The Islamists will take the fall as a sign that the global calliphate is at hand and you caan bet your bottom dollar that terrorism and violence will ramp up even more than it has now.

I have a sh1tload of respect for Israel. An incredibly persecuted people throughout history, yet they still stand proud and they still exist and are succesful in whatever they do.

Israel's fight is our fight, in my opinion.
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keep the faith

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Oct 18 2010, 10:13 AM
I'm of the mind that, YES, Israel has done some questionable things since it existed officially.
BUT, one has to also look at it in its entirety. Israel is a tiny state surrounded by aggressors. It HAS to appear dominant and unflinching or it will be swamped. It's akin to being the only non muslim house in an entirely muslim street. You have street jihadis out at night terrorising your family, throwing bricks through your windows and generally behaving in a beligerant manner. What is the non muslim householder supposed to do? Fight back brutally or appease the neighbours and move out?
I love this analogy. That is our 'hood. If we don't show strength and earn respect they'll take us down. Property costs much less in the Mid West of America but I'm buggered if I'm moving out of Israel.
Brian of London has been actively occupying a very small slice of hideously over-occupied Tel Aviv since early 2009.


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Oct 17 2010, 10:04 PM
EDL is a broad movement but we look polarised when someone waves an isreali flag.

it should be about England.

but i don't want the settlers here taking over and forcing religious extremism on us.
Your talking out your arse mate.

Israeli settlers arnt forcing ANYTHING on the EDL. Especially not any form of "religious extremism"

We don't look polarised when we wave an Israeli flag why would we be?

We fully support Israel's right to exist and Israel's right to defend itself.

Learn some history before you puke any more crap on this page eh?

theres a few REALLY good lads round here been put off by the israeli flags at demos.
their blood runs red white and blue.
but their arguement is-
if theyre putting their jobs on the line by coming to demos and getting photographed by left wing filth they want to know its for standing up for great britain NOT israel.
i know first hand israeli flags put some good people off.

im still finding it hard to get me head round searchlights stance on the EDL when gables sons in the israeli army as well?
wtf are they goin to do on sunday in london?
gable must be sat there gibbering wondering wtf is going on.
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The leftists who are against the right of Israeli Jews to have their own country in Israel would rather an Islamic Arab state replace Israel, and that is so wrong.

A Jewish state is a lot better than an Islamic Arab state, and that is one of the reasons why I support Israel's right to exist.
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The hamas charter says Israel will continue to exist until Islam obliterates it,according to this story they might be right.
We could spend forever and a day arguing about the Islam-Jewish State war.If the EDL were to take an official position on this war,here-in my humble opinion-is what it should be:

The EDL take a staunchly neutral position on the wars of others,including the Islam-Jewish state war.
We believe the British tax payer has a right to raise there children in a peaceful country and we do not appreciate people repaying there welcome here by bringing the worlds ethnic,religious and tribal wars within our borders.
We have enough on our plate dealing with the fact our own country is commiting cultural suicide without involving ourselves in other wars.
Stauch supporters of Israel must answer the following:If it comes down to it,how many British soldiers would you be prepared to see die in a middle-eastern war to ensure Israel's survival? 10,100,1000,10 000?
If we are willing to see British soldiers die for Israel we'd better get a much bigger military.
It has not escaped our attention that many in the Islamic community seem to be repaying either there own welcome or the welcome of there parents or grandparents here by bringing the Islam-Jewish state war to this country.We reiterate:we do not appreciate this and the British tax payer has a right to raise there children in a peaceful country.




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clee1970,

Why not look on the flags at demos as Israel and Jews supporting the EDL rather than the other way round? That's how I feel. I've left the UK and one of the reasons is the spread of Islam that you're fighting and for that I tip my hat to you and I do what I can remotely to help EDL with its image among and some other actions.

I don't ask you to actively support Israel directly and certainly not agree with all we do, but when we defend ourselves against Islamic aggression give us the same benefit of the doubt you'd give a bunch of EDL'ers caught out in one of the bad parts of Bradford if the BBC reported that they went in to knife some random Asians.
Brian of London has been actively occupying a very small slice of hideously over-occupied Tel Aviv since early 2009.


Islam is a giant bungee cord tying it's adherents to the 7th century.
They can pull themselves almost to the twenty first century but eventually the cord tightens and flings them back.
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1,133 Israelis and an estimated 5,144 Palestinians (including 952 children) have been killed since September 2000. From UN data, the post-1967 avoidable mortality (excess mortality) in the Occupied Palestinian Territories totals 300,000 and the post-1967 under-5 infant mortality 183,000 (of which 90% has been avoidable) - as compared to 2,178 post-1967 Israeli terrorism deaths (Israel Ministry of Foreign Affairs figures).



... also check http://anonym.to?http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/7375994.stm if you want to feel really sick.

you will notice a demographic change similar to our problems here
So its all about body counts is it? FYI more Palestinians were killed by fellow Arabs on black September alone than the entire state of Israel has in all of its its existence.

I suppose you also swallow the line that the US have killed over 100,000 innocent civilians in Iraq too?

Its getting so tedious having to continuously correct idiotic rhetoric like this brainwashed imbecile uk4ever when the facts are out there.


Or is it that you are too afraid to admit your hidden agenda.. yet?
dave34
Oct 18 2010, 05:50 AM
We have enough on our plate dealing with the fact our own country is commiting cultural suicide without involving ourselves in other wars.


IMO, selfish thinking like this is the reason EDL numbers are only a few thousand rather than hundreds of thousands.

In terms of Islamisation, the area I currently live in is actually not that bad compared to some I've seen around the UK. I can make endless excuses about "how much I have on my plate" and how I will only act when the problem directly affects me and my area.

You should learn to distinguish between 'Islam-Jewish state war' (propaganda; easily disproved) and 'Islamic jihad' (reality; easily proved)
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clee1970,

Why not look on the flags at demos as Israel and Jews supporting the EDL rather than the other way round? That's how I feel. I've left the UK and one of the reasons is the spread of Islam that you're fighting and for that I tip my hat to you and I do what I can remotely to help EDL with its image among and some other actions.

I don't ask you to actively support Israel directly and certainly not agree with all we do, but when we defend ourselves against Islamic aggression give us the same benefit of the doubt you'd give a bunch of EDL'ers caught out in one of the bad parts of Bradford if the BBC reported that they went in to knife some random Asians.
mate,
im one of the EDL crude anglo saxons (c)villa loyal :D
and proud of it,
i find it hard to see past dover.
the islamic problems in this great isle are enough to keep my brain
full to bursting point.
ill stand with anyone on here when it comes to demo day and the EDL
whatever their views on anything.
NFS
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clee1970,

Why not look on the flags at demos as Israel and Jews supporting the EDL rather than the other way round? That's how I feel. I've left the UK and one of the reasons is the spread of Islam that you're fighting and for that I tip my hat to you and I do what I can remotely to help EDL with its image among and some other actions.

I don't ask you to actively support Israel directly and certainly not agree with all we do, but when we defend ourselves against Islamic aggression give us the same benefit of the doubt you'd give a bunch of EDL'ers caught out in one of the bad parts of Bradford if the BBC reported that they went in to knife some random Asians.
That is classic spin even by your standards Brian. Comparing international waters with taking a wrong turn up a Bradford street.... :D
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Oct 18 2010, 12:58 PM
Comparing international waters with taking a wrong turn up a Bradford street.... :D
1. Israel is currently in a state of armed conflict with the Hamas regime that controls Gaza, which has repeatedly bombed civilian targets in Israel with weapons that have been smuggled into Gaza via the sea.

2. Maritime blockades are a legitimate and recognised measure under international law that may be implemented as part of an armed conflict at sea.

3. A blockade may be imposed at sea, including in international waters, so long as it does not bar access to the ports and coasts of neutral states.

4. Under international maritime law, when a maritime blockade is in effect, no boats can enter the blockaded area. That includes both civilian and enemy vessels.

5. A state (Yes, including the yet to be de-legitimised state if Isreal) may take action to enforce a blockade. Any vessel that violates or attempts to violate a maritime blockade may be captured or even attacked under international law. The US Commander's Handbook on the Law of Naval Operations sets forth that a vessel is considered to be in attempt to breach a blockade from the time the vessel leaves its port with the intention of evading the blockade.
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That is classic spin even by your standards Brian. Comparing international waters with taking a wrong turn up a Bradford street.... :D
Why thank you Villa, I take that as a compliment :-) Actually I had in mind the recent incident where an Israeli driver had his car hit by children being thrown by press photographers!



But if you want to bring up the Mavi Marmara, there isn't really any concept of international waters when enforcing a legal blockade against a ship that has stated its intention to run that blockade.

And may I just add the word Belgrano (which is not to say I think Maggie was wrong... I just wish Israel could have threatened to sink that Turkish war ship too).


peterpedant
Oct 18 2010, 01:28 PM
1. Israel is currently in a state of armed conflict with the Hamas regime that controls Gaza, which has repeatedly bombed civilian targets in Israel with weapons that have been smuggled into Gaza via the sea.
Not sure they've actually got anything much by sea. Most of what they use for weapons comes via the tunnels from Egypt. I believe the sea blockade has actually been very effective.
Edited by brianoflondon, Oct 18 2010, 01:46 PM.
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They can pull themselves almost to the twenty first century but eventually the cord tightens and flings them back.
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We discussed this a long time ago and the leadership team agreed that we would support Israels right to exist and that there would be a Jewish division, so it is EDLs official policy.

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