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| Learn about Islam; You are the enemy | |
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| albionuk | Sep 26 2010, 03:38 PM Post #1 |
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The vast majority of Muslims have never studied Islam and have no idea about many of the controversial issues it contains. They are often shocked when someone shows them some proof of issues that they were either unaware of or had been glossed over by their teachers. One of those issues is the command that they are not allowed to have non-Muslims as friends. Often you’ll get a Muslim youth at school who has made friends with non-Muslims who suddenly becomes aware that they will fry in hell for this sin. I produce here below the verses from the Qu’ran that forbid friendship between Muslims and non-Muslims. The Arabic word in the verse is awliya which is translated as friend / helper / supporter / protector. In trying to wriggle out of the ramification of these verses some Muslims choose one of those words as its translation as opposed to the other when in fact it is all of them. Also produced below are some links to the Islam Q&A sight which is you read carefully you will see that they sometimes answer it by saying Muslims can and should be friendly with non Muslims but as you and I know ‘being friendly’ is not the same as being friends. I believe that if these verses were distributed at school with Muslim and non-Muslims children it would get those Muslim kids questioning a ‘religion’ that bars them from having a non-Muslim as a friend. That hopefully starts them questioning why their ‘religion’ is so frightened of them associating with non-Muslims. I am also trying to get a question posted on the Islam Q and A site but the damn thing’s never open. My question would be – Should I give up my British passport as in holding this passport I accept that they British state is my protector and verse x y z states that I am forbidden from taking non-Muslims as my protector. + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + 3:28 Let not the believers Take for friends or helpers unbelievers rather than believers: if any do that, in nothing will there be help from Allah except by way of precaution, that ye may Guard yourselves from them. But Allah cautions you (To remember) Himself; for the final goal is to Allah. 5:54. O ye who believe! if any from among you turn back from his Faith, soon will God produce a people whom He will love as they will love Him,- lowly with the believers, mighty against the rejecters, fighting in the way of God, and never afraid of the reproaches of such as find fault. That is the grace of God, which He will bestow on whom He pleaseth. And God encompasseth all, and He knoweth all things. 5:55. Your (real) friends are (no less than) God, His Apostle, and the (fellowship of) believers- those who establish regular prayers and regular charity, and they bow down humbly (in worship). 5:57. O ye who believe, take not for friends and protectors those who take your religion for a mockery or sport,- whether among those who received the Scripture before you, or among those who reject Faith; but fear ye God, if ye have faith (indeed). See discussion at below links: http://www.islam-qa.com/en/ref/2179 http://www.islam-qa.com/en/ref/59879 http://www.islam-qa.com/en/ref/67610/work http://www.islam-qa.com/en/ref/11793/enemy |
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| Deleted User | Sep 26 2010, 05:09 PM Post #2 |
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Islam is viciously and psychopathically tribal, dividing the world into 'us' and 'them'. The muslims' tribe is the 'Ummah' - the global brotherhood of Muslims, and everybody else is the enemy! http://crombouke.blogspot.com/2010/01/brothers-and-sisters-in-islam-muslim.html |
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| English Angel | Sep 26 2010, 05:26 PM Post #3 |
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Your right, I dont think the vast majority of Muslims have looked too closely at what the actual koran is telling them. Those that do seem to go one way or the other, either radically extreme, or a growing number are leaving. I believe, the 'moderate' muslims as we call them are actually just sitting quitely in western countries doing either one of two things, either hoping we will fight against their fellow muslims, as they themselves dont really want an Islamic State forced upon them as they know what the consequences will be.. not only for non muslims, but the muslim women and moderate muslims who dont want to be governed by Sharia. Alternatively they are sitting quite because the militants are doing the dirty work for them.. Edited by English Angel, Sep 26 2010, 05:27 PM.
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| Caractacus | Sep 26 2010, 06:49 PM Post #4 |
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Spot on, why would anyone who leaves an Islamic state want it forced back on to them in the country which they chose to migrate to? Unfortunately I don't believe the moderate muslims will be fighting against their extremist counter-parts any time soon, however if/when they do, it will be a sign of changing times. NS. |
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British by birth, English by the grace of God. “St George he was for England, and before he killed the dragon, he drank a pint of English ale, out of an English flagon.” "In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot." | |
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| albionuk | Sep 26 2010, 07:21 PM Post #5 |
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I have sometime wondered whether my view on Muslims is correct as the only Muslims I have spoken with have been members of Muslim for and I have asked the question on those for a “are the members here a true reflections of Muslims in our (western) society.” The answer has always been yes but I accept that I am unlikely to get an answer like “no we’re the radical lunatics.” All that said, I have only debated on what you would describe as moderate Muslim web sites i.e. not those sites where you have to be recommended or vetted because they discuss how to make bombs etc. All that said, they all say without question that they ball want Sharia law. When you point out to them that they could go an live in the Swat valley etc., etc. and live under sharia law they all say – they’ve got it wrong that’s not real Sharia law. That is one of our problems in countering Islam, because there is no one person (a Muslim Pope) who says that is the way it should be, any Muslim can choose any ‘scholars’ view on the way it should be and they all choose their own version of what Sharia law should look like. So in short, YES, they would all vote for Sharia law in the UK but they would all have a different versions in their heads of what Sharia law is. |
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| Corey_Delaney | Sep 26 2010, 08:29 PM Post #6 |
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I highly recommend this website : http://www.answeringmuslims.com/ and their Youtube channel : http://www.youtube.com/user/Acts17Apologetics an other cool Youtube channel : http://www.youtube.com/user/EnglishGospel No sorry they are not against Sharia , just monitor the top Islam websistes in the UK none of them want a secularism society.. They don't want to change a thing as everything happens because of Allah's will so they will accept their fate eventually ! Edited by Corey_Delaney, Sep 26 2010, 08:32 PM.
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| ignominius | Sep 26 2010, 08:51 PM Post #7 |
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The vast majority of muslims have not actually read the Koran. Or at least not read it with understanding. For Muslims must read the Koran in the original Arabic a language that the majority do not speak, read or write. They learn to recite the Koran but without actually knowing what it is that they are reciting. Interpretation of the texts are reliant on imams and other scholars. According to Muslim scholars you cannot read the koran in any other language other than the original Arabic. This is clearly nonesense for a number of reasons...a) it goes against the teaching of the Koran that its a guide to all mankind and it's supposed clear and easy to understand. If you can't read it then I suspect it's not clear or comprehensible. b) No language, including religious Arabic is untranslatable. |
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