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Article 61 of Magna Carta 1215; Lawful Rebellion, Can We Use This
Topic Started: Sep 24 2010, 06:16 PM (196 Views)
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Are there any legal eagles out there, that can say whether we could or could not use this. NS

61. Since, moreover, we have conceded all the above things (from reverence) for God, for the reform of our kingdom and the better quieting of the discord that has sprung up between us and our barons, and since we wish these things to flourish unimpaired and unshaken for ever, we constitute and concede to them the following guarantee:- namely, that the barons shall choose any twenty-five barons of the kingdom they wish, who with all their might are to observe, maintain and secure the observance of the peace and rights which we have conceded and confirmed to them by this present charter of ours; in this manner, that if we or our chief Justiciar or our bailiffs or any of our servants in any way do wrong to anyone, or transgress any of the articles of peace or security, and the wrong doing has been demonstrated to four of the aforesaid twenty-five barons, those four barons shall come to us or our chief Justiciar, (if we are out of the kingdom), and laying before us the grievance, shall ask that we will have it redressed without delay. And if we, or our chief Justiciar (should we be out of the kingdom) do not redress the grievance within forty days of the time when it was brought to the notice of us or our chief Justiciar (should we be out of the kingdom), the aforesaid four barons shall refer the case to the rest of the twenty-five barons and those twenty-five barons with the whole community of the land shall distrain and distress us in every way they can, namely by taking of castles, estates and possessions, and in such other ways as they can, excepting (attack on) our person and those of our queen and of our children until, in their judgment, satisfaction has been secured; and when satisfaction has been secured let them behave towards us as they did before. And let anyone in the country who wishes to do so take an oath to obey the orders of the said twenty-five barons in the execution of all the aforesaid matters and with them to oppress us to the best of his ability, and we publicly and freely give permission for the taking the oath to anyone who wishes to take it, and we will never prohibit anyone from taking it.
I just found this,

http://www.tpuc.org/node/285

Submitted by john. on Wed, 06/08/2008 - 18:38
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Common Law

Lawful Rebellion.

Some one recently asked me the question; what is Lawful Rebellion?

Rebellion in itself has a number of different meanings and is in fact quite close to another word that seems to be on everyone’s lips; Revolution. Defined meaning of Rebellion;

Refusal to accept some authority or code or convention.
An act or show of defiance toward an authority or established government.

Defined meaning of Lawful;

Being within the law; allowed by law: lawful methods of dissent. (The lawful refusal to conform to the authority that is unjust)

Under article 61 of Magna Carta 1215 (the founding document of our Constitution) we have a right to enter into lawful rebellion if we feel we are being governed unjustly. Contrary to common belief our Sovereign and her government are only there to govern us and not to rule us and this must be done within the constraint of our Common Law and the freedoms asserted to us by such Law, nothing can become law in this country if it falls outside of this simple constraint.

Article 61 shows quite clearly who really holds the power in this country, that being quite simply us the people; we have Sovereignty not any Parliament and nor can this be taken from us by any Parliament who claim to have taken the people’s Sovereignty. As defined above any act passed by a Parliament to remove the power the people possess, or to remove the power from the point of constraint we invested the power in, is invalid as it falls outside of the constraint laid down by Common/Constitutional Law.

This is a simple safeguard put in place to protect our freedoms under said law and to never allow such freedoms to be removed or diminished. So in reality any Act, Statute and subsequent law or legislation formed by these actions, that effects our freedoms asserted to us, is quite evidently unjust, invalid and most certainly illegal.

By invoking article 61 we are quite clearly stating that we feel we are being governed unjustly and after giving the head of state (Her Majesty) 40 day’s to correct this, if this is not corrected, then we can simply enter into lawful rebellion and we do this under the full protection of our Constitutional Law.

Lawful rebellion allows quite simply for the following recourse;

Full refusal to pay any forms of Tax, Fines and any other forms of monies to support and/or benefit said unlawful governance of this country.
Full refusal to abide by any Law, Legislation or Statutory Instrument invalidly put in place by said unlawful governance that is in breech of the Constitutional safeguard.
To hinder in any way possible all actions of the treasonous government of this land, who have breeched the Constitutional safeguard; defined with no form of violence in anyway, just lawful hindrance under freedom asserted by Constitutional Law and Article 61.

Above are listed the three main ways we can as a people rely upon article 61 and what this allows for. The British people were given over 700 years ago a Law to use as there recourse when faced with either a Parliamentary dictatorship, or a Sovereign trying to rule by Divine Right, which amounts to the same thing. We have a right, and a birth right at that, to be governed properly under our birth right law and no other and certainly not by laws introduced on the pretence of being British Law, when in fact all laws passed since 1973 have been European laws in the guise of British law. We have a right to freedom within our true law and no Parliament can remove this for they were not present in its implementation nor did it need any Parliament, or any Parliament involvement, this was quite simply a deal struck between the people and a Sovereign, a deal which can never be broken.

The traitors that reside in the Parliament of this country only fear one thing and that quite simply is us the people and they know that they can never defend themselves, or defend their treasonous actions, lies and deceit against the power of the people, asserted by and given by, the founding document of our Constitution Magna Carta 1215. They realize, as many others do, that once the British public grasps the power of Magna Carta in both hands and start to use it in their defense; their game is quite simply up.

What does Magna Carta stand for?

In stands for freedom, that the people have Sovereignty that cannot be removed by anyone and it stands for the only real true rule of law; that no one, without exception, is above the law.

What does Article 61 (Lawful Rebellion) stand for? You have Sovereignty, realize it, and use it.
Edited by UK-Jack, Sep 24 2010, 06:20 PM.
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Magna Carta was an agreement between the barons and the King John, though it mentions "Freemen" it was not a document that empowered the "people" who remained in feudal service for years and years after. It should be looked at as a document that dis-empowered (slightly) the monarch instead.
To cite it as something that would make rebellion legitimate is fanciful, there are far more recent laws that would overide any hope pinned on Magna Carta.

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Slodger, tyvm for that fella. NS
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All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.

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Well we need to find something and fast!!
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Lawful Rebellion and the Freeman is a fantastic movement "Although Small"

From my knowledge, If something isn't a common law it has to be agreed by both parties before any trial is held.

Good example is this video in 2 parts



Edited by Tutaminis legio, Sep 24 2010, 07:37 PM.
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http://pasadenapatriots.ning.com/profiles/blogs/an-urgent-message-for-tea-pac


something we should be doing
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WOW! This is just so amazing, what a revelation! I just wish I had a better memory (lets me down somewhat) to remember this stuff and put it into play as and when required. I'd certainly have feels of great satisfactin. How Naive we are!
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Sep 24 2010, 08:13 PM
I thourt we already did?
the magna carter queston is hard we could enter into "rebelion" be it violent or non-violent under it but we would need somone of noble birth ( not me lost the family lands in the cival war) and also we would be lucky to find a juge that would side with us when it came to trile. The is also the milatry would they understand that we have the legal right to rebel or just think shoot the fcuking reble scum?
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Im pretty sure Prince Philip would back us up!
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Sep 24 2010, 09:20 PM
Im pretty sure Prince Philip would back us up!
Ye but he could just get his misses to give us a nod and we are the goverment no need to reble cos anyone agains her mag is a reble anyway so we could hang the traiterus fcuks
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Sep 24 2010, 08:50 PM
WOW! This is just so amazing, what a revelation! I just wish I had a better memory (lets me down somewhat) to remember this stuff and put it into play as and when required. I'd certainly have feels of great satisfactin. How Naive we are!
what a fantastic informative video that was. it really takes the piss that they already passed judgment before the case was even heard. just shows how crooked it all is. fair credit to the law advisor. he really did a number on them. I'm going to have to watch that a few more times myself. really interesting. the magistrates and the clerk commited so many crimes. I am really pleased however that the police followed their oath. incredible.
they only have power over us if we first give it to them. if we refuse then they are powerless. refusal. you have no jurisdiction.
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http://archbishop-cranmer.blogspot.com/2006/10/head-of-british-army-says-islam.html

he got sack few month later if i remember rightly
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitution_of_the_United_Kingdom
http://www.britsattheirbest.com/freedom/f_eu_corpus_juris.htm
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