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| BBC News, 6 Arrested For Burning Koran; But It Didn't Mention EDL | |
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| UK-Jack | Sep 23 2010, 12:58 PM Post #1 |
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Just on the news just now, It also said it was in relation to a video made, it didn't mention anything else, but the fella said they would keep us informed. NS |
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| TheNozSouthShields | Sep 23 2010, 01:00 PM Post #2 |
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-tyne-11396980 |
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| Star | Sep 23 2010, 01:02 PM Post #3 |
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What a bunch of b@stards the police are! Have there been any arrests on those burning flags on 9/11 does anyone know? |
| THEY JOINED FOR MANY REASONS, TO MARCH, TO SAIL, TO FLY. THEY WENT WHERE THEY WERE POSTED, BUT NOBODY JOINS TO DIE. THEIR LEADERS TALK ON TV, WHAT ELSE COULD WE HAVE DONE? BUT THOSE LEADERS LOST NO DAUGHTERS, AND NONE HAS LOST A SON. SO HERE'S TO ALL OUR SOLDIERS WHEREVER THEY MAY BE...AND HERES TO ALL THEIR FAMILIES, I RAISE A GLASS TO THEE...WEAR YOUR POPPY WITH PRIDE. | |
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| Deleted User | Sep 23 2010, 01:04 PM Post #4 |
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So it's a crime to burn a Quran, but burning flags and calling for the death of all Americans on 9th of September outside the American Embassy isn't? The double standards of the police is disgraceful. |
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| infidel 9755 | Sep 23 2010, 01:04 PM Post #5 |
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is this sumut to do with that lad geting knicked yesterday? you dont see any1 been arrested for flag burning yet to burn sum1s flag surley indicates 'inciting racial hatred ' wat a joke |
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| UK-Jack | Sep 23 2010, 01:06 PM Post #6 |
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For the legal eagles on here, " They were arrested on suspicion of inciting racial hatred and released on bail pending further inquiries " How can this be a racial crime when islam and muslims are not a race, is this a technical loophole, is it possible for someone to check it out. NS Every day I think it's getting closer and closer. NS Edited by UK-Jack, Sep 23 2010, 01:07 PM.
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| Star | Sep 23 2010, 01:08 PM Post #7 |
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Someone was saying the other day that the police will only look into it if there is a complaint, so someone must have gone to them and complained about this video?. EDL Management should put a complaint into the police aboutthe flag burning using that video from itv news as evidence. Maybe even write to the bbc news desk and ask why they didn't cover this story? |
| THEY JOINED FOR MANY REASONS, TO MARCH, TO SAIL, TO FLY. THEY WENT WHERE THEY WERE POSTED, BUT NOBODY JOINS TO DIE. THEIR LEADERS TALK ON TV, WHAT ELSE COULD WE HAVE DONE? BUT THOSE LEADERS LOST NO DAUGHTERS, AND NONE HAS LOST A SON. SO HERE'S TO ALL OUR SOLDIERS WHEREVER THEY MAY BE...AND HERES TO ALL THEIR FAMILIES, I RAISE A GLASS TO THEE...WEAR YOUR POPPY WITH PRIDE. | |
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| Deleted User | Sep 23 2010, 01:10 PM Post #8 |
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Well said Star. |
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| UK-Jack | Sep 23 2010, 01:10 PM Post #9 |
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Star maybe that's our problem as Brits, we have been brainwashed just to accept it, when muslims actually go and make a complaint. NS |
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| Deleted User | Sep 23 2010, 01:12 PM Post #10 |
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Good post. |
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| L4E | Sep 23 2010, 01:15 PM Post #11 |
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It will be the racial and religious act (So they have got you on the religious aspect). Look at this I have found for a quote (I will put the link up when I have read the full article) Quote - Religious hatred includes hatred against a group defined by their religious belief or lack of religious belief. Correct me if I am wrong, but shouldn't islam be charged on this same act. The frikking book that was burning quotes hatred to Jews and Christians. Any Lawyers out there, this is a precedent case I think. Edited by L4E, Sep 23 2010, 01:19 PM.
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| Defendz | Sep 23 2010, 01:16 PM Post #12 |
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So its a crime to burn a few peices of paper now? unbeleivable |
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| infidel 9755 | Sep 23 2010, 01:16 PM Post #13 |
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i fink we definatly need to start making more complaints bbc,police ect..... |
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| Wigone | Sep 23 2010, 01:20 PM Post #14 |
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Can we not complain to the police complaints commission or the metro with videos of them burning he flags etc. and ask the questions??? |
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| infidel 9755 | Sep 23 2010, 01:32 PM Post #15 |
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_desecration |
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| Deleted User | Sep 23 2010, 01:39 PM Post #16 |
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This is nothing less than a witch-hunt, more like the 17th century Witch Finder Generals riding again and there right to burn their own possions should be upheld. If someone was to burn a few palm fronds (for example) of their own, in their own garden, and this tree just happened to be held in 'high regard' by the muzzies would they be charged? I think these guys need all the help they can get and I, for one, would make make an ill-afforded donation to their defence. I think we no lionger have the right to have rights in this country. |
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| Deleted User | Sep 23 2010, 01:46 PM Post #17 |
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They can't arrest everyone. |
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| Deleted User | Sep 23 2010, 01:47 PM Post #18 |
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Inciting racial hatred my arse. I should imagine they'll get let off, but not before they've had a bit of treatment. Welcome to State bully boy tactics, designed to silence people. I wonder what would happen if someone were to burn a Bible, would they get arrested. |
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| aluman | Sep 23 2010, 01:50 PM Post #19 |
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It will never get any were and the police always try it on . Its down to the courts not them and theres no such law as religous hate . If there was we would all be locked up on here . There are no laws on religious hatred Edited by aluman, Sep 23 2010, 01:55 PM.
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| Deleted User | Sep 23 2010, 01:56 PM Post #20 |
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Yes there is, there's the 2006 Religious Hatred Act http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/1/contents "The Racial and Religious Hatred Act 2006 is an Act of the Parliament of the United Kingdom (citation 2006 c. 1) which creates an offence in England and Wales of inciting hatred against a person on the grounds of their religion. " |
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| Deleted User | Sep 23 2010, 01:57 PM Post #21 |
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Isn't this the English resistance? They have a vid in YouTube of them burning the Koran and putting bacon on it... |
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| Deleted User | Sep 23 2010, 02:01 PM Post #22 |
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We have no idea who they are and we are certainly not going to speculate on an open forum, who they were or which incident it is connected with. |
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| Deleted User | Sep 23 2010, 02:01 PM Post #23 |
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theres NO WAY they can ever prove its a koran. so what if it was... how many times can the PC coppers say 'community' in one statement. its prob more subtle that 'special friends'. the police force is descending into a total joke. what bout catching the 'community' rapists,pimps and paedophiles? no chance. |
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| aluman | Sep 23 2010, 02:04 PM Post #24 |
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iv sat in the court room on the bigist cort case in britain of this nature and it went on for 2 yrs and by the way i was only 1 of 14 people in the court room apart from defentants and solicators and the likes, and all 12 counts got booted and guess why and it still stands today. And i keep hearing this about religous hatred, when they try to pass it, it got booted out and it.ll always will do. |
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| Deleted User | Sep 23 2010, 02:04 PM Post #25 |
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Understood mate but the vid was uploaded by them in their name... Get your point though... |
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| Star | Sep 23 2010, 02:06 PM Post #26 |
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First thing i picked up from that link RH was that “religious hatred” means hatred against a group of persons defined by reference to religious belief or lack of religious belief. How is burning a book hatred towards a person? if you look at the link on the bbc bit (story of koran burning)http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-11254419 there is a news story about why the americans couldn't stop terry jones burning the koran- because it is not attached to a single person therefore it's not hatred against a person. Different laws in the EU but still it's a book, they are not burning Muslims alive! Edited by Star, Sep 23 2010, 02:07 PM.
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| THEY JOINED FOR MANY REASONS, TO MARCH, TO SAIL, TO FLY. THEY WENT WHERE THEY WERE POSTED, BUT NOBODY JOINS TO DIE. THEIR LEADERS TALK ON TV, WHAT ELSE COULD WE HAVE DONE? BUT THOSE LEADERS LOST NO DAUGHTERS, AND NONE HAS LOST A SON. SO HERE'S TO ALL OUR SOLDIERS WHEREVER THEY MAY BE...AND HERES TO ALL THEIR FAMILIES, I RAISE A GLASS TO THEE...WEAR YOUR POPPY WITH PRIDE. | |
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| Deleted User | Sep 23 2010, 02:12 PM Post #27 |
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it shows you how low the coppers have sunk, arresting 6 for burning a fairy tale, florensically examining a fkn pigs head thats offended some foreign cult.. NOT releasing a description of a 'gang' thats raped a kid! all in a days work for our PC plod. |
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| Star | Sep 23 2010, 02:12 PM Post #28 |
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(4)In proceedings for an offence under this section it is a defence for the accused to prove that he was inside a dwelling and had no reason to believe that the words or behaviour used, or the written material displayed, would be heard or seen by a person outside that or any other dwelling. IS THIS HOW THEY GET AWAY WITH INCITING RACIAL HATRED FROM INSIDE A MOSQUE ? |
| THEY JOINED FOR MANY REASONS, TO MARCH, TO SAIL, TO FLY. THEY WENT WHERE THEY WERE POSTED, BUT NOBODY JOINS TO DIE. THEIR LEADERS TALK ON TV, WHAT ELSE COULD WE HAVE DONE? BUT THOSE LEADERS LOST NO DAUGHTERS, AND NONE HAS LOST A SON. SO HERE'S TO ALL OUR SOLDIERS WHEREVER THEY MAY BE...AND HERES TO ALL THEIR FAMILIES, I RAISE A GLASS TO THEE...WEAR YOUR POPPY WITH PRIDE. | |
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| Deleted User | Sep 23 2010, 02:19 PM Post #29 |
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What was the court case, because this disagrees? http://www.secularism.org.uk/one-prosecution-so-far-over-reli.html "Dominic Grieve MP asked in Parliament this week how many prosecutions have been brought for the offence of incitement to religious hatred under Part 3A of the Public Order Act 1986 as amended by the Racial and Religious Hatred Act 2006; and how many convictions have resulted. The Solicitor-General replied that “to date one prosecution has been brought but has not concluded: a person has been charged and a trial date has yet to be fixed.” It is thought that the single prosecution relates to a Lancashire BNP activist who distributed leaflets blaming Muslims for the heroin trade. His case was due to be heard at Preston Crown Court on 9 November." The case was heard this year (June I think) where Tony Bamber of Preston and the BNP defended himself successfully. Just because no one has been prosecuted yet, doesn't mean that it isn't an offence. |
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| ENUFisENUF | Sep 23 2010, 02:23 PM Post #30 |
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Surely if these blokes purchased their qur'ans with their own money they have every right to do whatever they want to do with it?? Including wipe their assholes, wipe their mouths after a bacon sarnie and burning it. The books belong to the burners and they can ddo as they see fit. If I was arrested for burning a religious text I would have to ask the question ''how can we be sure that the god in question is offended by my act?'' Are we to believe that the mere humans who read these god given texts are to be believed over the god him/herself? Unless the god in question comes forward to condemn my actions personally then it is pure conjecture and hearsay on the part of the human accusers that he/she is offended. End of case, mistrial. I can't believe these draconian thought police here. Arresting someone for burning a book allegedly written by a god no one has ever seen, no one has any evidence exists, is putting us right back into the good ole days of the inquisition. This case would be marched all over by a halfwit lawyer. It's a nonsense case. Edited by ENUFisENUF, Sep 23 2010, 02:26 PM.
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| ignominius | Sep 23 2010, 02:26 PM Post #31 |
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If burning a quaran is incitement to racial hatred, what, exactly , is flag burning? |
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| Deleted User | Sep 23 2010, 02:26 PM Post #32 |
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The law is open to interpretation. The police uphold the law (sic) and if they think you have broken it, then they can arrest you. Somebody back at the station will decided whether they think the case is strong enough and if so, it will get passed to the CPS. If the CPS think it's strong enough it will then go to magistrates, be dealt with there or go up to Crown Court. At any time, I believe a judge can throw the case out if he doesn't feel it is strong enough. Eventually if it makes it all that way, the jury will make the final decision. There's to right and wrong, just interpretation. And of course the police can arrest people and bail them, knowing that they don't ever intend to hand it over to the CPS. It's a way of giving someone a warning shot and placating a certain section of the community. Of course Labour wanted to do away with juries, because they often come up with the 'wrong' verdict and find people 'not guilty'. |
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| Deleted User | Sep 23 2010, 02:28 PM Post #33 |
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All they have to say in court is they burnt a copy of this, with a Quaran cover on it. There's no evidence left so how can they prove any different. Burnt offerings just like Ainsley's recipes.
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| ENUFisENUF | Sep 23 2010, 02:30 PM Post #34 |
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I think EDL merchandise needs to produce a range of qur'an based goods. 1: A qur'an doormat (nothing insults the mussies more than dirty feet on a qur'an) 2: a range of qur'an toilet paper 3: qur'an napkins 4: qur'anic quotes on shoehorns 5: qur'anic quotes on dog sh1te plastic bags 6: qur'an dog beds |
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| Star | Sep 23 2010, 02:31 PM Post #35 |
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yea gg, don't pop stars use that when they get caught sniffing coke on camera? It was sherbet not coke - prove it.
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| Battle of Lepanto | Sep 23 2010, 02:37 PM Post #36 |
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Is book-burning illegal? How many were arrested when The satanic verses got burnt? and what race is Islam again - I keep forgetting? |
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| Dangerous Dave | Sep 23 2010, 02:40 PM Post #37 |
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Someone called 1millionunited has put a video of it up with EDL in the title. Wasnt gonna take these sad bastards long to point the finger at the EDL. |
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| UK-Jack | Sep 23 2010, 02:49 PM Post #38 |
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I could be wrong here but I don't think, it was EDL who did the alleged burning. NS
Edited by UK-Jack, Sep 23 2010, 02:49 PM.
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The Daily Mail mentions the EDL when quoting one of the suspects: Six arrested after burning of Koran on 9/11 'for the boys in Afghanistan' is posted online By DAILY MAIL REPORTER Last updated at 2:12 PM on 23rd September 2010 Add to My Stories A gang of men have been arrested after filming themselves burning a copy of the Koran on the anniversary of 9/11 - and posting it on YouTube. Six suspects were seized after allegedly torching the Muslim holy book in the backyard of a pub. The men, who hid their faces, then posted the video of the burning on the popular website. Six men have been arrested after filming themselves burning a copy of the Koran on the anniversary of 9/11 - and posting it on YouTube In the film the gang are seen gathered round a copy of the Koran in the backyard of The Bugle pub in Leam Lane, Felling, Gateshead. Appearing with what seems to be tea towels wrapped around their heads, the men show the holy book to the camera before dousing it with fuel from a red can and lighting it. One man in a grey Adidas tracksuit and white trainers, who has a blue cloth wrapped around his head as a burka-style mask, makes a series of obscene gestures towards the book as it burns. Laughing, the track-suited gang shouts 'This is for the boys in Afghanistan. September 11, international burn a Koran day, for all the people of 9/11. 'This is how we do it in Gateshead, right.' One man then attempts to add more fuel, but instead sets the plastic petrol can on fire. He then kicks the book across the yard, leaving a trail of flames which he is forced to hastily stamp out. The men hid their faces behind what appear to be tea towels and claimed the action was 'for the boys in Afghanistan' The men claimed 'This is how we do it in Gateshead!' during the sick stunt Police visited The Bugle last Wednesday after the video was posted online. Two men were arrested on suspicion of stirring racial hatred, and have since been released on bail. On Wednesday four more Gateshead men were arrested and bailed. None were charged. The incident follows tensions in America after an extremist Florida pastor threatened to burn 200 copies of the Koran on the ninth anniversary of the attacks. Terry Jones, of the Florida-based Dove World Outreach Centre, was warned by President Barack Obama that the controversial plan could be used to recruit extremists. The event was eventually called off after U.S. Defence Secretary Robert Gates personally contacted Jones and told him soldiers serving in Afghanistan would be put at greater risk by his protest. It does not appear that Jones was ever threatened with arrest, however. The pastor claimed he had agreed to cancel the event on the condition that controversial plans to build a mosque near Ground Zero in New York were axed. Claiming ‘victory for America’, he said Muslim leaders had agreed to move the location of the Islamic centre. The video shows the men laughing, swearing and dancing as they stamp on the burning Koran But Sharif El-Gamal, who is behind the proposals to build the 13-storey centre near the site where Muslim terrorists killed 3,000 people in 2001, denied that any talks had taken place and said the mosque would go ahead as planned. Back in Gateshead, a barman at the Bugle, who refused to give his name, said: 'I had nothing to do with the fire. I smelt the smoke so I went outside to put it out. 'The police came to the pub and searched it. We were closed for hours. Pastor Terry Jones had threatened to burn 200 copies of the Koran on the ninth anniversary of the 9/11 attacks 'They took my mobile phones, some empty boxes the phones had been in, some CDs and DVDs, and all the tea towels. 'They arrested me and another man and took us to the station. They were asking questions about who had been burning the book.' He claimed the pub has been targeted by the police because some customers had links to the English Defence League, a far-right movement which protests against 'Muslim extremism'. Around 30 men mounted a three-hour peaceful protest outside Gateshead Police Station after the initial arrests were made. In a joint statement, Northumbria Police and Gateshead Council condemned the book burning. 'The kind of behaviour displayed in this video is not at all representative of our community as a whole,' said the spokesman. 'Our community is one of mutual respect and we continue to work together with community leaders, residents and people of all faiths and beliefs to maintain good community relations.' Police confirmed the arrests were in relation to burning the book, not for making, distributing or watching the video. 'On Wednesday, September 22, four men from Gateshead were arrested on suspicion of stirring racial hatred,' a spokesman said. 'The arrests followed the videotaped burning of what are believed to have been two Korans in Gateshead on September 11. 'Two other men have previously been arrested and bailed in relation to this incident. Enquiries are ongoing.' Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1314534/Arrests-burning-Koran-9-11-posted-online.html#ixzz10MOkKHSY |
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| nb77 | Sep 23 2010, 02:55 PM Post #40 |
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6 arrested and yet that filth can burn Uk/American flags without punishment. Taking the piss. Makes my fcuking blood boil. |
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| Deleted User | Sep 23 2010, 03:11 PM Post #41 |
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Not to mention the MCB video calling for the death of the pope... Now that really is inciting religious violence! |
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| U.B.A. | Sep 23 2010, 03:14 PM Post #42 |
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Well could be a case of no such thing as bad publicity...This needs a big turn out of support when if/when it comes to Court. The police actions surely raise more questions than answers as to the legalities...they might even have just given themselves "enough rope" to be publicly hung. Might raise some opportunities that will be TOO good to miss!!! ...if we play our cards right. ;o) |
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| L4E | Sep 23 2010, 03:19 PM Post #43 |
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Of course, it depends how savvy the accused were in interview? If someones caughed, they could be in the sh1t, because it is obvious the police are wanting to set an example. |
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| aluman | Sep 23 2010, 03:19 PM Post #44 |
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Never mind what you read mate you tell me one case that you know of ? i rest my case . You saying it was out in 2006 well nick griffin was in court in 2001 and if you were right would of got 7 years . The police always try it on but it never gets any were |
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| Jethro | Sep 23 2010, 03:21 PM Post #45 |
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It is not which book was burned but the catch-all incitement to religious / racial hatred. Noticed the dailyfail have comments turned off. Man arrested for revving his car in a racist manner http://www.thenewspaper.com/news/13/1347.asp Edited by Jethro, Sep 23 2010, 03:24 PM.
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| UK-Jack | Sep 23 2010, 03:21 PM Post #46 |
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ADW, I totally agree with you fella. Calling for the death of the pope, should be taken very seriously indeed. The more and more I read about the ob, the more I know they are sh1t scared of them and being accused of being racist, if they upset them. NS |
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| Tutaminis legio | Sep 23 2010, 03:23 PM Post #47 |
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This kind of bigotry from the establishment makes me want to born a koran to. There intimidation tatics won't work on me, They can't jail you for burning a book. |
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| Deleted User | Sep 23 2010, 03:23 PM Post #48 |
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How about: 'Dunqur'anDip Pork Scratchings'?
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| aluman | Sep 23 2010, 03:25 PM Post #49 |
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Oh and by the way prosecutions count for nought the police always prosecute, the thing you need to ask is how many confictions for it? answers on the back of a naz dick please. |
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| Wigone | Sep 23 2010, 03:49 PM Post #50 |
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this is playing right into our hands the more the police squeeze the population the more will join the EDL. Revving an engine in a racist manner wtf!!!! They will arrest us for breathing in a racist manner soon. |
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