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| UK-Jack | Sep 22 2010, 06:56 PM Post #51 |
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EDLAVFC, If I was going to wear EDL colours and a well respected senior member like Ali, who I really respect asked or told me the reason why I shouldn't wear colours, I would just say TYVM Ali, for putting me straight and no colours would be worn by me. It's nothing personal fella. NS |
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| Deleted User | Sep 22 2010, 06:56 PM Post #52 |
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I wont be hanging my head in shame, if it kicks off it wil be because the muslims took offense to it, which is their problem, not mine. I will not be held to ransome out of fear of upsetting muslims. NEVER |
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| Deleted User | Sep 22 2010, 06:56 PM Post #53 |
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Great comments here - you do realise the police read this forum?
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| lethal_ghost | Sep 22 2010, 06:56 PM Post #54 |
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sorry but i totaly agree with edlavfc
exactly and i hope the police do see this to see how stupid it is to request what people wear on the streets i understood the exact reason for not wearing colours, now i have a even greater reason to wear them Edited by lethal_ghost, Sep 22 2010, 06:59 PM.
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| Deleted User | Sep 22 2010, 06:58 PM Post #55 |
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Yes it is being P.C and yes I will be wearing one, simple as that as far as Im concerned, its up to others what they do and its up to me what I do, and I feel its the right thing to do there for I'll do what I see is right. Mate I support the EDL 100% and respect every member equally as much, I respect Ali and all the other mods because we are on the same side but I dont respect them any more than I respect you, no man or woman is bigger than the group and no single person is my 'leader' I support the EDL and I will do whats best for the group as a whole but I am not a sheep . I know its nothing personal mate and I respect your decision not to wear colours, but for me, I'll be wearing them. I will NOT be ashamed to be English in my own country and I will NOT pander to muslims |
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| Deleted User | Sep 22 2010, 07:03 PM Post #56 |
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its getting a bit rebelious . the purpose of the gathering is to support our troops . wear the EDL colours and disrespect our cause . time and place . this aint either . the colours are for demos and leisure would you wear a tracksuit to a funeral |
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| lethal_ghost | Sep 22 2010, 07:04 PM Post #57 |
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in fact dont wear any item of clothing that defines you as a member or supporter of anything so no football tops, no brand names only jeans and plain white t shirts please and thanks for your support in keeping the muzzlim community happy ...... your local police force well they might aswell lol and what was there reason behinde there request anyway ? |
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| UK-Jack | Sep 22 2010, 07:07 PM Post #58 |
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EDLAVFC and Lethal Ghost, It's not personal fellas and this is my last post on this topic. Ask yourself if you were a Gurkha's proudly fighting for your Queen and country in a sh1thole of a place for a tour, you get the chance to march through Nuneaton and be treated like the real heroes they are, all of a sudden, the taliban attack a handful of EDL with their colours on, other EDL and Brits are going to back you up, this would be a right kick in the pants to the Gurkha's. This is not about the EDL or the local taliban on on Sunday, It's a special day for the Gurkha's. Trust me there will be more battles in the near future but I sincerely hope that Sunday is not one of those battles. NS Edited by UK-Jack, Sep 22 2010, 07:11 PM.
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| Deleted User | Sep 22 2010, 07:08 PM Post #59 |
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If it kicks off, yes, it will be the muslims that kick off, but who will have incited them to kick off? I never saw anyone wearing the EDL clothing at the last Nuneaton one, maybe if it kicks off and people are wearing them this time, the media will be able to shout out that we had enough respect not to wear them last time but not enough respect for the Gurkas. As for the police reading this forum, good, I hope they make plans to turn anyone around that wants the trouble to kick off, as I'm sure they will be out in full force. EDL flags are enough imo, and England shirts show true patriotism. |
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| Deleted User | Sep 22 2010, 07:08 PM Post #60 |
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People want to ask themselves are they in the EDL for their own personal reasons or to be part of a group/movement. If the leadership are suggesting to go in plain clothes, then they have a good reason to say so and people should go along with the suggestion. Why would people want to go in EDL colours and disrespect the suggestions of the leadership? It sounds like people are just wanting to vent their own personal frustrations which could be detrimental to the name of the EDL. Have a think about it, y'all... |
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| Deleted User | Sep 22 2010, 07:10 PM Post #61 |
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Well said, some people just like to dig their heels in and have a tantrum though, shame isn't it? It's a bit like children when told not to touch. |
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| covimp28 | Sep 22 2010, 07:11 PM Post #62 |
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The compromise was not to the taliban wannabes it was to other EDL members who disagree with the colours AT the parade. The parade will be over by 12.30/13.00 ish, no doubt we will be having a few pints after where of course we should be made known for who we are to get more people with us for Leicester and forever!!! NS |
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| lethal_ghost | Sep 22 2010, 07:11 PM Post #63 |
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wow i am not responsible for how people react to my clothing, i hate burkas but i dont run over and abuse people that wear them every time i see some that has one on ? |
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| Deleted User | Sep 22 2010, 07:11 PM Post #64 |
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If you are ashamed of the EDL so much and think that we are so disrespectful then why bother coming to demos ? wearing an EDL peice of clothing to a soldiers home coming parade can not be compared to wearing a track suit to a funeral, completely different circumstances. The EDL is about supporting our troops is it not ? Im not saying we should turn up with "no more mosques" banners or turn up chanting " E , E, EDL" etc but wearing EDL clothing (if you want to) . I cant even believe we are having this debate on here, its shocking that some people would even think about appeasing muslims in this way.
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| Deleted User | Sep 22 2010, 07:12 PM Post #65 |
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Agree UKJ
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| covimp28 | Sep 22 2010, 07:13 PM Post #66 |
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There were colours there but they left before we headed up the road. |
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| spike wolves | Sep 22 2010, 07:14 PM Post #67 |
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thats my way of thinkin too were colours and be proud what stand for |
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| Deleted User | Sep 22 2010, 07:15 PM Post #68 |
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The thing is, it's not about appeasing muslims or the police, it's about having enough respect for our troops to let the day pass peacefully. Any true member of the EDL will know how the muslims will react to the clothing on that day and in my opinion, any one who respects the EDL and the troops won't wear them, anyone who does wear them has no respect for anyone. |
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| Deleted User | Sep 22 2010, 07:17 PM Post #69 |
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No one said it was personal mate, we undertand that, and I arent taking it in a personal way, its ok to disagree If local muslims turn up and kick off because we are wearing EDL colours then whos fault would it be ? Ours for peacefully supporting our troops and standing together as one peaceful group (that was originally formed to support out troops) or muslims for taking 'offense' . The gurkas have been fighting the taliban in iraq and afgan, and we have been fighting them over here. We are fighting the same war but on different fronts. Its like telling the gurkas not to wear their British army uniform incase it offends the muslims and the muslims kick off on them. We shouldnt be appeasing muslims in our own country. I hope sunday isnt a battle either, but if it is a battle, it wont be us that starts it |
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| Deleted User | Sep 22 2010, 07:18 PM Post #70 |
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well said ali and knuckles |
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| Deleted User | Sep 22 2010, 07:18 PM Post #71 |
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EDL aren't attending to promote ourselves it is all about supporting those who have served this country with distinction and honour. This isn't an EDL event and it isn't about us. As unsavoury as people feel the ob poking their nose in is, it was politely requested some time back that we not wear colours and that request still stands as it does for all troop homecomings. |
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| Deleted User | Sep 22 2010, 07:18 PM Post #72 |
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Look, at the end of the day, nobody is telling anybody what to do. We are a populist movement and we are all equal and individuals, who make our own decisions. We have enough with governments, socilaists and the State trying to control our lives. However, we have to be careful here, we're playing a political game and there are those that are out to destroy us by tarnishing our reputation and making an example of us. We have to think smart. The problem is two fold, one, we don't want to spoil the Gurkha's day, as that is what it is, not an EDL day. But also, it is irritating to think that we are being told what to do (even though we'd decided it already) and if the plan was to sow divisions, then it is succeeding. A fair compromise does seem to be the one that says, if you where colours then keep them wrapped up until well after the event. Remember, we don't want to give our opponents ammunition. |
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| spike wolves | Sep 22 2010, 07:19 PM Post #73 |
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sorry ali i dont agree mate dont put it on your own shoulders tellmembers we have no respect thats wrong |
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| Deleted User | Sep 22 2010, 07:19 PM Post #74 |
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Oh,, and if t does kick off during the parade because people can't be sensible about all this, don't let us expect to get good press and a bigger turn out than ever in Leicester. We already have a bad reputation and are trying to show we are not trouble causers, but some obviously don't care how we look to the eyes of the world. Shame there's always some that aren't bothered, like thise in Oldham who wore colours and kicked off when they'd been asked not to as it was not only a flash demo but a day of rememberence. |
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| Deleted User | Sep 22 2010, 07:21 PM Post #75 |
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So what your saying is we must appease the muslims and no disrespect to you but I 110% disagree with you, next you'll be saying we cant speak out against them in case they 'kick off'. No matter what we do or what we wear the media will paint us in a bad light, to them we are facist and nazis and always will be. I dont care if the police are reading or not, Ill wear my EDL hoody under my coat then when I get to the parade I'll take my coat off if I have to. |
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| UK-Jack | Sep 22 2010, 07:23 PM Post #76 |
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Sorry to write one more entry but it's to make everyone smile and relax a bit. There is an old bull and a young bull in a field, the young bull looks up the steep hill and see's 100's of cows, he starts running and as he is running flat out, thinking about the sex he is about to get, he turns to the old bull and say's come on old timer, lets run up that hill and fcuk, one or two of them cows, the old bull shouts, Oi STOP you silly fool, the young bull stops and asks why, the old bulls says, why should we run up the hill and fcuk one or two of them cows, when we can walk up the hill and fcuk em all. lol, ok I will get my coat. NS |
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| spike wolves | Sep 22 2010, 07:26 PM Post #77 |
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we may aswell not wear them at all if thats the case |
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| Deleted User | Sep 22 2010, 07:26 PM Post #78 |
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I am in the EDL for the good of my country, not to lick anyones arse and I take orders from no body. That might sound cocky and arrogant but that is not the way I want to come across, although I am aware thats the way it seems. Like I have already said I am not a puppett and I am not a sheep, I will co-operate with the leadership but I'll take orders from no body, the EDL doesnt own me or anybody else. I love the EDL and everything it stands for but that doesnt mean I can think or speak for myself with regards to what what I'll be wearing. Its different if I wanted to turn up in a t-shirt that says " no more mosques" or whatever but its not, its a simple black hoody with the words EDL written on the back, I cant believe Im having to defend myself on the topic, I expected a bit more courage . Your right mate.. Nothing rebelious about it, just standing up for whats right like all true Englishmen should. and who's having a tantrum ? Im simply sticking to my guns and I REFUSE to appease fanatical muslims |
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| Deleted User | Sep 22 2010, 07:30 PM Post #79 |
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There's just no point sometimes, is there. You honestly think wearing EDL colours is anything compared to wearing the uniform of the British Army, and you can compare what the EDL are doing here to what the troops are fighting over there???? You think a few demos and a couple of kick offs can compare to the hell they are living in, losing their lives and getting maimed for life??? Maybe you should go over there and see what they actually face. Like I said, no friggin respect. |
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| Deleted User | Sep 22 2010, 07:31 PM Post #80 |
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I kind of see your point. Im just NOT happy with appeasing muslims |
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| lethal_ghost | Sep 22 2010, 07:32 PM Post #81 |
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i totally understand the idea of not wearing any colours as we wouldn't want to take anything away on the day from the troops. But to being asked what to wear is ridiculous, does it matter what colour my top is ? what slogan it has ? im there to show support for the troops, i certainly wont be singing any edl songs or throwing it in anyones face that would be a different matter. What makes it even worse is that its in case muzzies don,t like it. Well i dont like nike tops with just do it slogans can the police please tell every one not to wear them as well and i dont like burkas so tell people to not wear them as well. |
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| Disenfranchised Briton | Sep 22 2010, 07:32 PM Post #82 |
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This might be a bit paranoid but the first thing that came to mind was that the police don't want us being "undercover" as such. Much better if we are obvious and visible, much easier to identify and no public support when they get excitable with their batons. The muslims KNOW we are coming and they KNOW we aren't going to be wearing EDL regalia, so do the Police. So why this request? What is our most probable reaction? It'll be a two fingered salute and EDL hoodies, at least that is most probably what they expect. They had no reason to make this request, it has never been made before and it comes on the back of us deciding internally not to identify ourselves. How peculiar. We should stick with OUR plans and not be tempted to react to the old bill's provocation. Now as your bog standard non affiliated normal person presumeably we'll be able to get some bloody good footage of abusive muslims and policemen being particularly ineffective at dealing with them. We are going to be there for one reason only, to show support and respect for our troops not to publicise our organisation. Don't rise to the bait of the Police, they simply can not be taken at face value. I would however welcome someone int he heirarchy contacting the WMP to ask them why they have made this request to us and if they have made a similar request to muslims and if not, then why the hell not? |
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| Deleted User | Sep 22 2010, 07:33 PM Post #83 |
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| Deleted User | Sep 22 2010, 07:33 PM Post #84 |
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From what I read before the police requested this to a group - not the EDL - it was members suggesting not to wear EDL stuff. It was out of respect for the Gurkha Parade - not pandering to the Muslims. If it was to keep the Muslims happy - I would have started a thread saying everyone should wear the stuff. People are entitled to disagree - thats what makes this world interesting. Keep the points civil though - we are all in this together remember. NS Disenfranchised Briton: You raise a good point. Also, as far as I am aware, the police have not contacted the EDL. They contacted another group. (Someone correct me if I am wrong). |
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| Deleted User | Sep 22 2010, 07:38 PM Post #85 |
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If the muslim kick off people will see them for what they are Why else would muslims be there other than to kick off regardless of what clothing you have on ? IMO anyone who doesnt wear clothing because they have been asked not to is ashamed of the EDL and what the group stands for, deep down they have doubts about the course and are afraid of upsetting the taliban, whereas people who wear the clothing arent afraid to support the EDL and arent into appeasing muslims and by wearing EDL clothing are showing more respect for our troops than those that dont wear them. Those troops are dying for our freedom and dying fighting the taliban, the least we can do is show them that they are not returing to a muslim appeasing country |
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| Disenfranchised Briton | Sep 22 2010, 07:39 PM Post #86 |
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Yeah. Now the Police have persuaded you to wear them after we'd made a group decision NOT to wear them. I think that the police are playing you. They've never asked us to not turn up in EDL clothing before and the ONLY time they have is AFTER we decide not to. Co-incidence? Not. |
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| lethal_ghost | Sep 22 2010, 07:40 PM Post #87 |
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there is nothing abusive or that can cause offence on a edl hoodie so why is it such a problem wearing one ? the reason is because it may make muslims react so the police say please dont wear them, well there response should be to stop the muslims reacting and deal with them not what i wear. |
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| covimp28 | Sep 22 2010, 07:41 PM Post #88 |
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Who cares as long as were there in it together?? I'll be in an England top. This is getting a bit ridiculous |
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| UK-Jack | Sep 22 2010, 07:41 PM Post #89 |
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Anyway, great heated debate, group hug now and who's for another beer lol. NS
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| spike wolves | Sep 22 2010, 07:42 PM Post #90 |
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get beer in uk jack lol |
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| UK-Jack | Sep 22 2010, 07:46 PM Post #91 |
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Ok Spike, my round, how will I tell this Mrs, we can't pay the mortgage this month but beer is far more important than my mortgage lol. God I hope her indoors doesn't read this lol. God bless us all, Patriots everyone. Jack raises his glass to everyone, For God, Queen, Country and People. No Surrender. |
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| Deleted User | Sep 22 2010, 07:47 PM Post #92 |
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After completing 2 6 months tours of Afghan and 2 6 month tours of Iraq I know very well what our lads are facing from first hand experience Its no different, asking the EDL not to wear EDL clothing is like asking a British soldier to to wear his uniform on a home coming parade in case it offends muslims, no difference. Both are equally as wrong Spot on |
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| lethal_ghost | Sep 22 2010, 07:50 PM Post #93 |
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i honestly can really see the reasons for not wearing them, but i should not be punished because of the way people may react to my clothes and at that they are not even offensive. I would realy like to know what the police have said the reason is for. Now if it was sent out to other groups of people asking them not to wear certain items of clothing i.e burkhas or man u tops (joke) and was sent to us as well i would be more acceptable of it but its just us why ? We all know why, check out the P.C table |
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| Deleted User | Sep 22 2010, 07:51 PM Post #94 |
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Good post, good argument, and none patronising/abusive, unlike some others who are meant to lead by example No mate your wrong, it is appeasing muslims, its because we are scared of them kicking off and ruining the day, and that is wrong here here |
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| Tutaminis legio | Sep 22 2010, 07:55 PM Post #95 |
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I would think, That this isn't an EDL protest but a welcome home parade for the fella's that fought for our country. So i would think wearing EDL stuff isn't a good thing for the EDL. After the parade just throw your hoodies on and start having a good time. |
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| Deleted User | Sep 22 2010, 07:58 PM Post #96 |
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EDLAVFC: Sorry mate, I am not wrong. It was originally suggested on here by members, out of respect to the parade - fact. |
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| Deleted User | Sep 22 2010, 07:58 PM Post #97 |
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I'll leave it there because after re-reading my posts I have come across as a bit of a cockey cnut and this was not my intentions, its just that I am passionate about our course and I only want what is best for the EDL and most importantly my/our country. Either way were all on the same side, and remember, united we stand , divided we fall ![]() Lets agree to disagree mate
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| pete | Sep 22 2010, 08:05 PM Post #98 |
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the EDL should treat homecoming parades as family days in my opinion, wives, partners and kids etc held in a celebratory atmosphere. if the islamists kick off then good...more members for us and the moral high ground massively in our favour.These are one of the few occasions where the public are 100% behind us and could be a massive recruitment tool for us, IF we handle it properly. A soldier doesnt want to be worried if fights are going to go off around there family and friends, let the plod handle islamists and we make sure the papers know all about it.
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| Tutaminis legio | Sep 22 2010, 08:07 PM Post #99 |
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There is no shame with having pride friend, Im sure everyone understands your feelings, I do. |
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| Deleted User | Sep 22 2010, 08:14 PM Post #100 |
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This is not an official EDL Demo. If anyone is wearing EDL merchandise on Sunday they will be picked on and what happens when it goes off?? All over the bloody papers, right wing EDL shame the troops home coming in riot. Then you'll get "isn't it time we banned this bunch of hooligans?". Followed by Politicians call to ban EDL Demo in Leicester. You know the press are against us, come on guys think smart it will do no good. Coaches have been paid for, save your tops for Leicester, I am. Has anyone got a help for hero's t shirts or Support or troops or Support our Soldiers tops? It's the Gurka's day after all, let's not spoil it and play into the hands of those that are waiting for the exact moment to strike against us. |
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