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No compulsion in religion...I think I figured it out
Topic Started: Jun 2 2010, 03:54 PM (143 Views)
Masters
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I think I figured this whole "No compulsion in religion" thing out.

Islam believes they are the one true religion. So when they say there is no compulsion in religion (IE free to follow what you want), it means you can follow any religion you want, but Islam is the only available to really choose. So no compulsion in religion choices for them are more of less this:

Do you want to be Sunni, or Shia, or etc....
"Medical research suggests that while British Pakistanis are responsible for 3% of all births, they account for one in three British children born with genetic illnesses. The question to think about is: Could the practice of interbreeding be the key to the success and longevity of Islam? Could it be that the genetic and mental illnesses borne of interbreeding are a factor in the unquestioning nature of the majority of Muslims regarding spirituality? "
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Jun 2 2010, 03:54 PM
I think I figured this whole "No compulsion in religion" thing out.

Islam believes they are the one true religion. So when they say there is no compulsion in religion (IE free to follow what you want), it means you can follow any religion you want, but Islam is the only available to really choose. So no compulsion in religion choices for them are more of less this:

Do you want to be Sunni, or Shia, or etc....
You are referring to 2:256 When the aya (verse )was revealed during the early meccan period muhammed had NO power so that is the period when you had conciliatory verses such as 2:256 and surah 109 etc... these verses were ABROGATED by more violent ayas such as surah 9 etc..etc.. after muhammed became more powerful and gained more converts.
refer to the aya of the sword 9:5
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Actually I wasn't referring to anything.

Just using common sense to debunk their claim :)
"Medical research suggests that while British Pakistanis are responsible for 3% of all births, they account for one in three British children born with genetic illnesses. The question to think about is: Could the practice of interbreeding be the key to the success and longevity of Islam? Could it be that the genetic and mental illnesses borne of interbreeding are a factor in the unquestioning nature of the majority of Muslims regarding spirituality? "
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Jun 2 2010, 04:11 PM
Actually I wasn't referring to anything.

Just using common sense to debunk their claim :)
Quote: "Just using common sense to debunk their claim :)"

Anybody who serious believes that any 'religious book' is the 'last word of god' is surely lacking any commonsense!
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Reminds me of the imam recorded in a British mosque who said there is no freedom of religion in the west, because.... wait for it: he was not able to destroy the government and establish an Islamic state, hence there is no freedom of religion.
Boggles the mind eeh?

Will do a search to see if I can find that clip.
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Jun 2 2010, 04:47 PM
Reminds me of the imam recorded in a British mosque who said there is no freedom of religion in the west, because.... wait for it: he was not able to destroy the government and establish an Islamic state, hence there is no freedom of religion.
Boggles the mind eeh?

Will do a search to see if I can find that clip.
Here it is:



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kaimana1 is correct .......

When Mohammed was weak and had no power he said "no compulsion" but once he obtained power then "kill the apostates" and so forth.

It is important to understand this and the fact that propoganda is even sanctioned in Islam.

It is a very dangerous religion because it is based on power and control and it is regulated by harsh laws, and these laws infringe on many personal freedoms which we take for granted.

http://faithfreedoom.org
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Jun 2 2010, 04:11 PM
Actually I wasn't referring to anything.

Just using common sense to debunk their claim :)
Sorry for that....i was just pointing out that the no compulsion in religion verse is 2:256 and is found NO WHERE else in the quran. so whenever muslims say there is no compulsion in religion they are ALWAYS referring to that aya.

Unfortunately common sense is not an attribute of islam.
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I know and theres no compulsion in religion as long as your muslim :)

I just find it funny all the peace loving muslims(if they really are peaceful) seem to just blow off all the crap thats happening the world as the work of extremists.
"Medical research suggests that while British Pakistanis are responsible for 3% of all births, they account for one in three British children born with genetic illnesses. The question to think about is: Could the practice of interbreeding be the key to the success and longevity of Islam? Could it be that the genetic and mental illnesses borne of interbreeding are a factor in the unquestioning nature of the majority of Muslims regarding spirituality? "
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Jun 2 2010, 06:59 PM
I know and theres no compulsion in religion as long as your muslim :)

I just find it funny all the peace loving muslims(if they really are peaceful) seem to just blow off all the crap thats happening the world as the work of extremists.
Yeah, But if you think about it they have to? to be muslim one must automatically believe in massive conspiracy theories like the one that every christian scribe and jewish scribe of every sect and all around the world since times of antiquity worked in collusion with each other to corrupt the bible.
And it seems like most muslims believ in some 9/11 conspiracy theory or holocaust denial etc...

So it is not surprising to see so many muslims deny or reject the idea of islamic extremists.
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Jun 2 2010, 07:09 PM
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Jun 2 2010, 06:59 PM
I know and theres no compulsion in religion as long as your muslim :)

I just find it funny all the peace loving muslims(if they really are peaceful) seem to just blow off all the crap thats happening the world as the work of extremists.
Yeah, But if you think about it they have to? to be muslim one must automatically believe in massive conspiracy theories like the one that every christian scribe and jewish scribe of every sect and all around the world since times of antiquity worked in collusion with each other to corrupt the bible.
And it seems like most muslims believ in some 9/11 conspiracy theory or holocaust denial etc...

So it is not surprising to see so many muslims deny or reject the idea of islamic extremists.
;)
I don't understand this idea of Islamic Extremism.


Islam is extreme. End of.
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On a forum one of them replied to me with this:

"It is a duty on Muslim to inform those who don't know Islam

(And say the truth is from your, so whoever wills let him believe, and whoever wills let him disbelieve) (29:18)

What they do with that knowledge after that is their own business "

I said to him:

"Aren't you kind of condoning the extremists with that comment?"

Then he replies with this:

"Yes

(There is no compulsion in Islam) (2:256) "
Edited by Masters, Jun 2 2010, 07:25 PM.
"Medical research suggests that while British Pakistanis are responsible for 3% of all births, they account for one in three British children born with genetic illnesses. The question to think about is: Could the practice of interbreeding be the key to the success and longevity of Islam? Could it be that the genetic and mental illnesses borne of interbreeding are a factor in the unquestioning nature of the majority of Muslims regarding spirituality? "
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I agree that was my point muslims have to lie to themselves and play victim to the point to where islamic extremism which is cornerstone to the faith becomes their only option.
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Correct me if I'm wrong he just admited condoning terrorists? 2 posts up.
"Medical research suggests that while British Pakistanis are responsible for 3% of all births, they account for one in three British children born with genetic illnesses. The question to think about is: Could the practice of interbreeding be the key to the success and longevity of Islam? Could it be that the genetic and mental illnesses borne of interbreeding are a factor in the unquestioning nature of the majority of Muslims regarding spirituality? "
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Jun 2 2010, 07:38 PM
Correct me if I'm wrong he just admited condoning terrorists? 2 posts up.
If you are referring to lord nelson, no he was saying that islam is EXTREME unless he was being facetious ,which i dont think he was ,then no he wasnt condoning it.
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Nono not him, read my post 2 posts up from where I said 2 posts haha.

On a forum one of them replied to me with this:

"It is a duty on Muslim to inform those who don't know Islam

(And say the truth is from your, so whoever wills let him believe, and whoever wills let him disbelieve) (29:18)

What they do with that knowledge after that is their own business "

I said to him:

"Aren't you kind of condoning the extremists with that comment?"

Then he replies with this:

"Yes

(There is no compulsion in Islam) (2:256) "
"Medical research suggests that while British Pakistanis are responsible for 3% of all births, they account for one in three British children born with genetic illnesses. The question to think about is: Could the practice of interbreeding be the key to the success and longevity of Islam? Could it be that the genetic and mental illnesses borne of interbreeding are a factor in the unquestioning nature of the majority of Muslims regarding spirituality? "
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Jun 2 2010, 07:38 PM
Correct me if I'm wrong he just admited condoning terrorists? 2 posts up.
If you're referring to me old bean then I'm afraid you have got hold of the wrong end of the stick.

Far from condoning terrorists, I was actually condeming Islam.

Still, no harm done.
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ahh forget it...
"Medical research suggests that while British Pakistanis are responsible for 3% of all births, they account for one in three British children born with genetic illnesses. The question to think about is: Could the practice of interbreeding be the key to the success and longevity of Islam? Could it be that the genetic and mental illnesses borne of interbreeding are a factor in the unquestioning nature of the majority of Muslims regarding spirituality? "
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Jun 2 2010, 07:43 PM
Nono not him, read my post 2 posts up from where I said 2 posts haha.

On a forum one of them replied to me with this:

"It is a duty on Muslim to inform those who don't know Islam

(And say the truth is from your, so whoever wills let him believe, and whoever wills let him disbelieve) (29:18)

What they do with that knowledge after that is their own business "

I said to him:

"Aren't you kind of condoning the extremists with that comment?"

Then he replies with this:

"Yes

(There is no compulsion in Islam) (2:256) "
Yeah SORRY for that misunderstanding

From what you wrote it appears that the muslim is making excuses and referring to the no compulsion verse saying that islam doesnt condone those acts but they are a confusing lot i must say when they use that verse then bring up abrogation and explain to him the verse that abrogates 2:256 which is the aya of the sword 9:5
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In that case I think you may be right.
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Jun 2 2010, 07:45 PM
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Jun 2 2010, 07:38 PM
Correct me if I'm wrong he just admited condoning terrorists? 2 posts up.
If you're referring to me old bean then I'm afraid you have got hold of the wrong end of the stick.

Far from condoning terrorists, I was actually condeming Islam.

Still, no harm done.
That was my bad when masters referred two posts up hewas actually referring to his own post about the muslim he was debating i was in error thinking he was referring to you.
Sorry
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What part of "no compulsion in religion" is there whem Islam LITERALLY means SUBMISSION?

Do have to laugh sometimes with their weak theological excuses.
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Jun 2 2010, 07:51 PM
What part of "no compulsion in religion" is there whem Islam LITERALLY means SUBMISSION?

Do have to laugh sometimes with their weak theological excuses.
LOOOOL :D Excellent point!!
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