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Riot in Manchester!
Topic Started: May 31 2010, 10:02 PM (1,208 Views)
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Not Bloody Sunday and not last week's massacre of Ahamdiyyas by Sunni Muslims which claimed over 80 lives, but which didn't hardly get a mention in most of the media. 9 deaths in a war is nothing.

Muslims are allowed to kill,you see. Israelis aren't.
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If Muslims think they can attack Manchester's BBC, then perhaps the EDL should attack radical mosques or the offices of the Respect Party. It's an idea.
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Jun 1 2010, 01:07 AM
I don't get it.

Muslims are making a big deal all over Europe causing violence over 9 people who were killed because they thought they could beat people with metal poles and not expect action to be taking against them. You don't see us going round in groups of thousands attacking mosques when they decide to kill innocent people who have never done anything to upset them!
Hi Reynar

Spot on. Despite the wrongs or rights of the Israeli operation Muslims are blowing each other up on a daily basis in Afghan, Iraq and Pakistan etc. and not a single protest from Muslims. It would seem that 85 were killed in Pakistan in a terrorist attack by machine gun and hand grenades in a Mosque on the basis of Muslim extremism against one of their own sects however not one single protest.

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No protests about the Kurds, the Armenians, the Christians and animists in the Sudan, the Copts in Egypt, the Buddhists in southern Thailand, etc. etc. etc. Only Muslim life appears to be sacred... to Muslims and leftists and even the BBC.
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Jun 1 2010, 01:25 AM
Not Bloody Sunday and not last week's massacre of Ahamdiyyas by Sunni Muslims which claimed over 80 lives, but which didn't hardly get a mention in most of the media. 9 deaths in a war is nothing.

Muslims are allowed to kill,you see. Israelis aren't.
funny how the followup that Gunmen stormed a Pakistani hospital where doctors were treating the victims of an earlier suicide attack on Monday is getting little or no news rotation. again the muslim on muslim violence doesn't fit into their construct of the religion of peace
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Over two million animists and Christians died at the hands of Muslims in the Sudan. Not a single protest in the UK from Muslims. Indeed, not a single protest in the UK from the Left either.
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i think it will be quite interesting to find out if we do what was on that ship that they were willing to fight to the death with israeli special forces over
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dont you need police permission to organise a march / protest?
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the thing is the 95 dead in pakistan a week ago and the 13 or so dead in pakistan today after gunmen atacked hospitals treating the wounded from last weeks bomb attacks are not muslims according to sunnis and shias the Ahmadiyyas sect of 'muslims' are not real muslims they are fake muslims because they dont believe mohammed was the last prophet so to them they are killing infidels but at the same time i dont think israel should have went in that was a stupid thing to do
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Jun 1 2010, 01:28 AM
It would seem that 85 were killed in Pakistan in a terrorist attack by machine gun and hand grenades in a Mosque on the basis of Muslim extremism against one of their own sects however not one single protest.
Yep... And then as soon as the Jews try to defend themselves - it's outrage time!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3rBG-pIuiWw

I hear that the ship's were in International Waters, but I still support Israel. After all, considering the threats they've had from the Muslim world, it would make sense to search for Nuclear Weapons 'before' the ship's are in close proximity to your civilians, and not 'after'.
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correct me if im wrong here, but are the events

muslims fire rockets into Israel,
Israel responds by enacting a blockade.
Muslims try and get a ship past the blockade,
Israelis board ships to ensure no weapons are being smuggled in to be used against them
muslims on board, attack Israeli soldiers with iron bars
israli soilders defend themselves.
video footage is shown that soldiers are attacked
muslims riot on mass as they don't like the truth being known.

maybe they should stop f&*king launching rockets into Israel.
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Jun 1 2010, 01:42 AM
correct me if im wrong here, but are the events

muslims fire rockets into Israel,
Israel responds by enacting a blockade.
Muslims try and get a ship past the blockade,
Israelis board ships to ensure no weapons are being smuggled in to be used against them
muslims on board, attack Israeli soldiers with iron bars
israli soilders defend themselves.
video footage is shown that soldiers are attacked
muslims riot on mass as they don't like the truth being known.

maybe they should stop f&*king launching rockets into Israel.
muslims fire rockets into Israel,
Israel responds by enacting a blockade.
Israel tell the aid workers the can't go into them waters numerous times
Israel say they'll have to do checks on the boat, a check that is done on a daily basis
Muslims ignore this and try to get a ship past the blockade,
Israelis board ships to ensure no weapons are being smuggled in to be used against them
muslims on board, attack Israeli soldiers with iron bars and knives.
israli soilders defend themselves.
video footage is shown that soldiers are attacked
muslims riot on mass as they don't like the truth being known.

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i just noticed there was a nice little line on the bbc report about this from campaigners saying that "the soldiers opened fire without any provocation"
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This will blow ever very soon, the muslims will try to milk it as much as they can but it's a storm in a tea cup and nothing more.


How will the muslims and the left react when Israel destroys the nuclear reactors in Iran?


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Jun 1 2010, 01:14 AM
It does look like a botch up. But they were violently attacked first - they had every right to retaliate by the look of those beatings. And I think live rounds were necessary; especially if they believed that there may be weapons on board.
Perhaps you didn't see the armed pirates attacking the ship using helicopters and special forces prior to murdering people holding white flags.

Oh wait. You think the pirates were the good guys and the people grabbing anything they could to defend themselves were the aggressors.

Sometimes the EDL does a better job of making themselves look like tools than the media does. It's laughable how dumb the comments are in this thread.
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Jun 1 2010, 03:19 AM
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Jun 1 2010, 01:14 AM
It does look like a botch up. But they were violently attacked first - they had every right to retaliate by the look of those beatings. And I think live rounds were necessary; especially if they believed that there may be weapons on board.
Perhaps you didn't see the armed pirates attacking the ship using helicopters and special forces prior to murdering people holding white flags.

Oh wait. You think the pirates were the good guys and the people grabbing anything they could to defend themselves were the aggressors.

Sometimes the EDL does a better job of making themselves look like tools than the media does. It's laughable how dumb the comments are in this thread.
The flotilla was warned to stop. It didn't. What then should the Israelis have done? They had no choice. And this is a war.

As for defending themselves. This was planned from the beginning. It is part of a propaganda campaign by Hamas, etc. The video reports don't show white flags at all. They show Muslims carrying out the Jihad against the Jews.

'Tools' of what? The Jews?

Just because the comments don't coincide with your views, that doesn't make them dumb. If that is what makes comments dumb, then your comments are dumb too.
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Jun 1 2010, 03:19 AM
Perhaps you didn't see the armed pirates attacking the ship using helicopters and special forces prior to murdering people holding white flags.

Oh wait. You think the pirates were the good guys and the people grabbing anything they could to defend themselves were the aggressors.

Sometimes the EDL does a better job of making themselves look like tools than the media does. It's laughable how dumb the comments are in this thread.
Perhaps you should look up the definition of pirates. :huh:

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Most casualties reported on Mavi Marmara passenger ferry, one of three ships provided by Insani Yardim Vakfi (IHH)


The ships were asked to put to port and unload but refused. They were ordered to stop but refused.

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IHH is Turkish aid organisation with strong sympathy among Turkey's ruling party, but is banned in Israel, which accuses it of links to Hamas and al-Qaeda


So here you have a number of ships refusing to stop or put to port which looks hell-bent on breaching a blockade. The Israeli's rightly send in armed troops. The Turkish terrorists/sympathisers take up arms against highly trained troops with guns.

The troops, who initially show great restraint see that they are getting beaten to s**t and fearing for their lives are wholly justified in opening fire and putting down the mutiny. The rules of engagement for any soldier in this situation is very clear. It's you or them!

If those f**kwits thought for one minute that the IDF would just stand around while they got beat the s**t out of they don't know the IDF very well do they?

What surprises me is the international condemnation BEFORE there has been a full and proper investigation. Yes Israel is known for being heavy handed but they are at war and they are at war with a people who from birth are told that they must kill Jews and that the best thing they can do in life is to martyr themselves.

Perhaps next time these so-called 'peace' activists will think twice before being so f**king stupid!
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Jun 1 2010, 01:42 AM
correct me if im wrong here, but are the events

muslims fire rockets into Israel,
Israel responds by enacting a blockade.
Muslims try and get a ship past the blockade,
Israelis board ships to ensure no weapons are being smuggled in to be used against them
muslims on board, attack Israeli soldiers with iron bars
israli soilders defend themselves.
video footage is shown that soldiers are attacked
muslims riot on mass as they don't like the truth being known.

maybe they should stop f&*king launching rockets into Israel.
There are possibly some events earlier than the first one then may be of consideration.

I'll leave them for others to decide.
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Jun 1 2010, 04:34 AM
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Jun 1 2010, 03:19 AM
Perhaps you didn't see the armed pirates attacking the ship using helicopters and special forces prior to murdering people holding white flags.

Oh wait. You think the pirates were the good guys and the people grabbing anything they could to defend themselves were the aggressors.

Sometimes the EDL does a better job of making themselves look like tools than the media does. It's laughable how dumb the comments are in this thread.
Perhaps you should look up the definition of pirates. :huh:

Definition of piracy: crime or act of violence on the sea outside of international jurisdiction .

What part don't you understand? Hmmmmm?

Come on...enlighten me. How is a BLATANT act of piracy a good thing in your book or did you not think it through?

They even filmed themselves doing it and then cry about their special forces being thrown overboard and about how the hippies were mean to them so its ok to shoot them.
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Bernaerts’ Guide To The 1982 United Nations Convention On The Law Of The Sea

International Jurisdiction Re sea

Only two basic principles in these provisions find some general application. One is that the states are required to co-operate in the repression of the offences of piracy,2 illicit drug trade,3 and unauthorized broadcasting;4 co-operation is not, on the other hand, expected for the prevention of transport of slaves.5 Secondly, warships and other vessels and aircraft clearly on government service6 have a right of visit on foreign vessels suspected of involvement in piracy, the slave trade, or unauthorized broadcasting.7 Government vessels also have a right of visit on vessels without nationality (important in the case of vessels which sail under the flags of two or more states8) and on vessels of apparently the same nationality as the government ship, even though flying a different flag or refusing to show any flag at all,9 in reality a question of flag state jurisdiction. In the case of ships involved in illicit drug trade, the jurisdiction of the flag state remains in this respect unchallenged.10 But the flag state may request co-operation from another state, including the conducting of a visit on board.11
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You left off "involvement in piracy, the slave trade, or unauthorized broadcasting" from your highlight.

There is no argument and you just look dumb trying. First I get lectured by someone too clueless to use google prior to criticizing me then I get lectured by someone who CAN use Google but doesn't take the time to understand the stuff he's quoting.

Bottom line: if you think what Israel did was a good idea then good luck to you but you might regret it later when you actually, you know, think it through. Here's a hint no government in the world supports this. NOBODY. Do you think you know better than everyone else?
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Lecture!? lol did you piss the bed this morning? ;)

I posted what the document says thats all.


Bottom line is dont attack armed soldiers with iron bars your likely to get shot :'(
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Do people not think for a moment, that all aspects and concequencies of this "event" where not concidered.This was planned and staged managed. Unfortunatly the Isralies fell for it. period!
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Bring in the army, round the f**king lot of them up and put them on the next f**king boat to Palestine!
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Jun 1 2010, 05:31 AM
What part don't you understand? Hmmmmm?

Come on...enlighten me. How is a BLATANT act of piracy a good thing in your book or did you not think it through?

They even filmed themselves doing it and then cry about their special forces being thrown overboard and about how the hippies were mean to them so its ok to shoot them.
Well this is my understanding...

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Piracy is a war-like act committed by private parties (not affiliated with any government) that engaged in acts of robbery and/or criminal violence at sea. The term can include acts committed in other major bodies of water or on a shore. ...


and my further understanding...

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Article87

Freedom of the high seas

1. The high seas are open to all States, whether coastal or land-locked. Freedom of the high seas is exercised under the conditions laid down by this Convention and by other rules of international law. It comprises, inter alia, both for coastal and land-locked States:

(a) freedom of navigation;


(b) freedom of overflight;

(c) freedom to lay submarine cables and pipelines, subject to Part VI;

(d) freedom to construct artificial islands and other installations permitted under international law, subject to Part VI;

(e) freedom of fishing, subject to the conditions laid down in section 2;

(f) freedom of scientific research, subject to Parts VI and XIII.

2. These freedoms shall be exercised by all States with due regard for the interests of other States
in their exercise of the freedom of the high seas, and also with due regard for the rights under this Convention with respect to activities in the Area.


There was a blockade in the area and this 'flotilla' was legally obliged to recognise that and adhere to the instructions of the Israeli's when they were firstly asked to put to port and then when they refused to do that they were ordered to stop to be boarded again something they refused to do.

The act of refusing to stop and allow themselves to be boarded by the forces of the state that was running the blockade was an act of aggression and the forces were within their rights to board the ships.

These ships were given several options by Israel AND Egypt to facilitate the unloading and delivery of the cargo but they refused.

A number of options to allow a peaceful conclusion to this were given and refused. The final act of attacking the boarding party again was an act of violence that required force to be used in proportion to the threat which resulted in the deaths.

In short, this could have been avoided!

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May 31 2010, 10:05 PM
why attack a tv station ?
shows how thick the unwashed are
they would of shown some balls if they attacked the mod in london
the 5 stations here in the u.k and many others are jewish owned, this might be why they are attacking the tv stations
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A number of people are quoting 'international waters', which is applicable in peace time. However if two countries are at war and I do believe that Israel feels at war with Hamas in Palestine, then 'international waters' gives no protection, as the captain of the Belgrano found out in 1982. Please don't rely too much on media reporting, as unfortunately many reporters are too dim, too lazy or too biased to give you accurate factual reporting these days.

What may spice up this event, is that Turkey may send naval cover for the next Turkish ship heading to the same destination. Turkey is a full member of NATO, if Israel were to fire on one of her ships, the rest of NATO would be duty bound to respond (and if it didn't then the solidarity and stability of NATO would be questioned).

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Jun 1 2010, 05:31 AM
What part don't you understand? Hmmmmm?

Come on...enlighten me. How is a BLATANT act of piracy a good thing in your book or did you not think it through?

They even filmed themselves doing it and then cry about their special forces being thrown overboard and about how the hippies were mean to them so its ok to shoot them.
Well this is my understanding...

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Piracy is a war-like act committed by private parties (not affiliated with any government) that engaged in acts of robbery and/or criminal violence at sea. The term can include acts committed in other major bodies of water or on a shore. ...


and my further understanding...

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Article87

Freedom of the high seas

1. The high seas are open to all States, whether coastal or land-locked. Freedom of the high seas is exercised under the conditions laid down by this Convention and by other rules of international law. It comprises, inter alia, both for coastal and land-locked States:

(a) freedom of navigation;


(b) freedom of overflight;

(c) freedom to lay submarine cables and pipelines, subject to Part VI;

(d) freedom to construct artificial islands and other installations permitted under international law, subject to Part VI;

(e) freedom of fishing, subject to the conditions laid down in section 2;

(f) freedom of scientific research, subject to Parts VI and XIII.

2. These freedoms shall be exercised by all States with due regard for the interests of other States
in their exercise of the freedom of the high seas, and also with due regard for the rights under this Convention with respect to activities in the Area.


There was a blockade in the area and this 'flotilla' was legally obliged to recognise that and adhere to the instructions of the Israeli's when they were firstly asked to put to port and then when they refused to do that they were ordered to stop to be boarded again something they refused to do.

The act of refusing to stop and allow themselves to be boarded by the forces of the state that was running the blockade was an act of aggression and the forces were within their rights to board the ships.

These ships were given several options by Israel AND Egypt to facilitate the unloading and delivery of the cargo but they refused.

A number of options to allow a peaceful conclusion to this were given and refused. The final act of attacking the boarding party again was an act of violence that required force to be used in proportion to the threat which resulted in the deaths.

In short, this could have been avoided!

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Spot on conclusion mate.
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One of the big questions for us in the UK is why on earth 800 seemingly democratically brought up westerners would wish to storm the BBC given that there was plainly video footage of the Israeli soldiers being attacked.
Possibly it was precisely because they showed this footage, ie it did'nt fit in with their own self-brainwashed pro- islamist narrative that they were enraged.
I sincerely hope that over the next few days and weeks the events leading up to it are carefully analysed and exposed and the nature of the islamist groups behind it (and possibly an underhand game plan of Turkey's current islamist leader) is revealed to the world, then these islamo-leftists will have some serious egg on their faces.
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Debate on BBC Radio 5 live now. Infuriating! :-/
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:'( Well said Road Hog.
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A lot of the activist aboard the ship were from Britain, little did they know that the Israelis don't take crap from terrorist sympathisers.
Unlike our spineless gov't.
bloomin do-gooders.
i could have described them before i saw em.
textbook far left.
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How dare the BBC report the news, even if it does show soldiers getting beaten after stopping a boat with nothing to hide.....
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A number of people are quoting 'international waters', which is applicable in peace time. However if two countries are at war and I do believe that Israel feels at war with Hamas in Palestine, then 'international waters' gives no protection, as the captain of the Belgrano found out in 1982. Please don't rely too much on media reporting, as unfortunately many reporters are too dim, too lazy or too biased to give you accurate factual reporting these days.

What may spice up this event, is that Turkey may send naval cover for the next Turkish ship heading to the same destination. Turkey is a full member of NATO, if Israel were to fire on one of her ships, the rest of NATO would be duty bound to respond (and if it didn't then the solidarity and stability of NATO would be questioned).

Perhaps this is part of Turkey's islamist leaders endgame ? ie to create an incident to give him an excuse to pull Turkey out of Nato and form military links with muslim countries instead ?
Winston Churchill on Islam ; ' The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property, either as a child, a wife, or a concubine, must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men. Individual Moslems may show splendid qualities - but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world....
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why attack a tv station ?
shows how thick the unwashed are
they would of shown some balls if they attacked the mod in london
the 5 stations here in the u.k and many others are jewish owned, this might be why they are attacking the tv stations
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Israeli's outside Turkish Embassy after the raid on the ship.

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http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=6a3_1275348204

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http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=31c_1275318231
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Like that bit GTR Manchester Police were unavailable to comment!!
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More footage of the aftermath with weapons and injuries...

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=f13_1275322042

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I actually have one of them catapults (yellow bands) and fired correctly with the right ammo they can pierce skin and bone.

A marble could easily pierce an unprotected head and easily take an eye out. These are regarded as firearms they are that powerful. :blink:
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High Quality version of Mavi Marmara Passengers Attacking the IDF Soldiers:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYjkLUcbJWo&fmt=18

Peace activists Jihad activists on a mission to Martydom:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b3L7OV414Kk
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The home of the Peterloo massacre, a foundling of British workers and human rights is now the home of radical Islam. Nice one Labour.
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Man charged over Gaza aid ship protest outside BBC

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BBC Gaza protest Protesters placed a Palestinian flag on top of BBC Manchester

A man has been charged after a protest outside the BBC's building in Manchester over the Israeli attack on a Gaza aid ship.

Hundreds of protesters marched through the city centre on Monday to the BBC, in Oxford Road, which had its doors smashed.

Protesters said they were also angry about the BBC's coverage of Israel.

The 29-year-old man, from Bolton, has been charged with a racially-aggravated public order offence, police said.

He is due at Manchester Magistrates' Court on 1 July.

A 54-year-old woman was arrested on suspicion of assault and has been bailed until 16 June, police said.

A spokesman said the protest was "largely peaceful" but two officers suffered minor injuries.

The demonstration came after at least nine people were killed when Israeli forces stormed a convoy of ships carrying aid to the Gaza Strip.



Interesting.....
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Interesting Passenger list.

From the Brits, amung them a well known couple who have done this sort of thing before, a Huddersfield council worker, a former member of the Socialist Workers’ Party and an aide to George Galloway (nuff said...)

If you work for the council and support the BNP you can be sacked is that right?

No doubt she will be treated a hero by her colleges at Bolton Council,
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High Quality version of Mavi Marmara Passengers Attacking the IDF Soldiers:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYjkLUcbJWo&fmt=18

Anyone spot the cow at 1 min? Why the f**k have they got a cow running round on the upper deck at night? Thats and accident waiting to happen that is.
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High Quality version of Mavi Marmara Passengers Attacking the IDF Soldiers:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYjkLUcbJWo&fmt=18

Anyone spot the cow at 1 min? Why the f**k have they got a cow running round on the upper deck at night? Thats and accident waiting to happen that is.
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Footage from Mancs yesterday:

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The 29-year-old man, from Bolton, has been charged with a racially-aggravated public order offence, police said.

so a man basicly stormed a building went on a roof waved a flag and caused racial and religious conflicts. Did nt see them using tazzers and fracturing his arm like snowys
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it took me multiple repeat viewings to spot the cow, as i was determined to see it after you mentioned it. i'm also puzzled what it was doing on the top deck? An innocent midnight stroll perhaps?
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Them Israeli soldiers got a beating on the ship!!
Edited by Steveoo UK, Jun 1 2010, 02:33 PM.
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