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Is EDL a Christian movement?
Topic Started: May 30 2010, 03:34 AM (234 Views)
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I'm an Indian, born here, and I'm also an atheist. I joined this organization because I'm against the spread of militant Islam.

But I am seeing "in hoc signo vinces" motto in several places, which is a Christian motto.

So the question, is this EDL a Christian organization? If so, this will quickly turn into a Christians vs. Muslims madness.
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rookie, the EDL is open to all who belive in our goals.
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So what is with the motto "in hoc signo vinces" about?
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May 30 2010, 04:40 AM
So what is with the motto "in hoc signo vinces" about?
There is no doubt that there are christians (of many different sects and denominations) in the edl, but the fact is their are atheists, agnostics, hindus, sikhs ,spiritualists,wiccans,new religionists,jews,malsians etc..etc.. and we ALL share one goal and that goal is to curb islamic radicalism in the U.K . If you can get along with members of the above groups i mentioned, you are WELCOME and you will be EMBRACED. :D :) Same goes for members of all of the other beliefs or lack of belief.

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The way I see it, this organization should be trying to recruit Muslims, so that it will be Muslims fighting militancy in Islam instead of us doing it for them.
This will not happen if Christian idioms are sprinkled about. Not to mention that it distracts from the objective that this is all about opposing Islamic-extremism.

Maybe I'm being difficult. But I just want to tread carefully.
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May 30 2010, 06:12 AM
The way I see it, this organization should be trying to recruit Muslims, so that it will be Muslims fighting militancy in Islam instead of us doing it for them.
This will not happen if Christian idioms are sprinkled about. Not to mention that it distracts from the objective that this is all about opposing Islamic-extremism.

Maybe I'm being difficult. But I just want to tread carefully.
Muslims have joined this forum, the problem is many muslims in general have not taken any initiative to oppose islamic -extremism and frankly islamic-extremism has affected many NON MUSLIMS and has the potential to affect many more ,so that is why the EDL formed.

In onther words if we counted on moderate muslims to take action then the U.K will be quickly headed to shariah law. Its not just christian idioms theres sikh idioms, pagan idioms and many others you can have richard dawkins idioms if you want. its all about freedom.
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The movement should also be about showing people from an Islamic background - especially young women who have everything to lose by being shackled to a traditional Islamic family - why it's worth their while to reconsider the madness of the religion they've been born into. For this we certainly need people of Indian origin to help out, seeing as that Pakistan is like India gone wildly wrong. India has been the victim of the same kind of terrorist attacks as the UK, Spain and the US - not just in the past 10 years but throughout its history. Personally I'm an atheist, but Christianity isn't dangerous in the UK - most English-speaking Bible thumpers are in the US and Ireland, although there are a few creationists in Britain.
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May 30 2010, 08:30 AM
The movement should also be about showing people from an Islamic background - especially young women who have everything to lose by being shackled to a traditional Islamic family - why it's worth their while to reconsider the madness of the religion they've been born into. For this we certainly need people of Indian origin to help out, seeing as that Pakistan is like India gone wildly wrong. India has been the victim of the same kind of terrorist attacks as the UK, Spain and the US - not just in the past 10 years but throughout its history. Personally I'm an atheist, but Christianity isn't dangerous in the UK - most English-speaking Bible thumpers are in the US and Ireland, although there are a few creationists in Britain.
I`m a catholic and didn`t get interested in EDL to become part of a religion war. I am here because i`m sick of watching a country i love , become, a soap box for anti brits to call the rest of us what they want but as soon i open my mouth to reply i`m a racist. I`m not racist, a bigot or christian radical, i am English, like the rest of you no matter what race or creed, i want the right to speak out against ANYONE who wants to humiliate our soldiers after they return from the middle east or, spout pure religious hate about England on street corners across the country. IN HOC SIGNO VINCES may be latin but it stands for all that we all want. And as i said if it was all just a religion thing, i wouldn`t be here. :)
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May 30 2010, 03:34 AM
I'm an Indian, born here, and I'm also an atheist. I joined this organization because I'm against the spread of militant Islam.

But I am seeing "in hoc signo vinces" motto in several places, which is a Christian motto.

So the question, is this EDL a Christian organization? If so, this will quickly turn into a Christians vs. Muslims madness.
The EDL is multi faith but oviously has a large Christian members and support.
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Christianity has absolutely nothing to do with the EDL movement. EDL is multi faith, culture, class, gender, age, etc.
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The Identity of Britain was forged in Christianity, so the morals we hold high are born of the Christian ethos.
However part of that ethos was the acceptence of other religions (after the emancsipation of Catholics act in 19th Cent).
When most of the older immigrants are asked it would be a manifestation of that ethos which brought them here. Lets get this notion out of our heads that the Windrush sailed here with people wearing their underpants on the outside like superman to save ' the mother country'. They came for the symbiotic relationship trueism that they needed work, Britain needed workers and they liked the values of the country (they could have gone anywhere after the war). Likewise it was these values which homed people after Amin;s purges.
It is these values I want back. Not A mixed Babel of failed multi culturalism.
Mark Twain:- Those that don't read newspapers are uninformed, those that do are illinformed.
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Of course anybody is welcome, whatever your religion. But as OldBoyBlue said:

"The Identity of Britain was forged in Christianity, so the morals we hold high are born of the Christian ethos."
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I see it's a mixed reply, but mostly to state this is not a religious organization, much less a Christian one.
Thanks guys
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Well, to start, i'm a jedi so for me it not about christian vs anyone, to finish "in hoc signo vinces" was first used by the greeks and translated into latin just after the romans converted to christanity, so it might be famous for being a christian motto but it has been used by many movements thoughout history. Plus i think latin is always a better way of putting things as it looks cool lol
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May 30 2010, 03:34 AM
I'm an Indian, born here, and I'm also an atheist. I joined this organization because I'm against the spread of militant Islam.

But I am seeing "in hoc signo vinces" motto in several places, which is a Christian motto.

So the question, is this EDL a Christian organization? If so, this will quickly turn into a Christians vs. Muslims madness.
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firstly welcome to the forums

secondly, the EDL is not associated with any religion. We have supporters from various backgrounds / religions. I am agnostic, some mebers are Sikh, others Jewish and we have a couple muslim supporters to etc etc Hindu, Catholics .....

The ethos here is to protest against militant Islamic extremism, and to come together regardless of ones faith, race, colour against this ...
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No I am an Atheist and would not be here if it was one

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"You asked me once, what was in Room 101. I told you that you knew the answer already. Everyone knows it. The thing that is in Room 101 is the worst thing in the world.”

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the mottoe mearly means "with this standard you shall have victory" the standard being the flag of St George, England is a christian nation but EDL is about stopping the extreame element of a backward religion that is stuck in the 15th century and not about promoting christian faith
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The EDL is not a religious group or one led by religious principles. It welcomes all peoples of all faiths and as far as I know Muslims are as welcome as Jedi, Christians and even Jehova Witnesses and atheists. The EDL are against Islamis and Shariah law being imposed on Britain. The latin phrase means In this sign is victory is not a christian saying. I believe it predated Christianity. In our case in the symbol of our flag we will have a victory.
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im jewish and i have no problem with the cross, why would i the members i have seen have no problem with the star of david flag, we must stick together, or we are done!
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In a word, No. I wouldn't be here if it was.

The phrase also appears on the "coat of arms" of Pall Mall cigarettes. The EDL don't promote smoking tobacco either.
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