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| swfcpatriot | May 28 2010, 10:26 PM Post #1 |
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2010/may/28/english-defence-league-guardian-investigation |
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| englandman | May 28 2010, 10:29 PM Post #2 |
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it's the guardian what else do you expect. You made me goto the guardian website, don't do that i have to clean my computer now it feels dirty
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| swfcpatriot | May 28 2010, 10:31 PM Post #3 |
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There dosent seem to be anything undercover about this. Nothing that anyone couldnt read on the forum. |
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| Deleted User | May 28 2010, 10:37 PM Post #4 |
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You need to describe what the link is about, swfcpatriot. -------- This is the article it's about an undercover operation of the EDL: English Defence League: Inside the violent world of Britain's new far right Undercover Guardian investigation reveals plan by English Defence League to hit racially sensitive areas in attempt to provoke disorder over summer * guardian.co.uk, Friday 28 May 2010 21.08 BST The English Defence League is planning a series of demonstrations this summer. Warning: video contains very strong language Link to this video MPs expressed concern tonight after it emerged that far-right activists are planning to step up their provocative street campaign by targeting some of the UK's highest-profile Muslim communities, raising fears of widespread unrest this summer. Undercover footage shot by the Guardian reveals the English Defence League, which has staged a number of violent protests in towns and cities across the country this year, is planning to "hit" Bradford and the London borough of Tower Hamlets as it intensifies its street protests. Senior figures in the coalition government were briefed on the threat posed by EDL marches this week. Tomorrow up to 2,000 EDL supporters are expected to descend on Newcastle for its latest protest. MPs said the group's decision to target some of the UK's most prominent Muslim communities was a blatant attempt to provoke mayhem and disorder. "This group has no positive agenda," said the Bradford South MP, Gerry Sutcliffe. "It is an agenda of hate that is designed to divide people and communities. We support legitimate protest but this is not legitimate, it is designed to stir up trouble. The people of Bradford will want no part of it." The English Defence League, which started in Luton last year, has become the most significant far-right street movement in the UK since the National Front in the 1970s. A Guardian investigation has identified a number of known rightwing extremists who are taking an interest in the movement – from convicted football hooligans to members of violent rightwing splinter groups. Thousands of people have attended its protests – many of which have descended into violence and racist and Islamophobic chanting. Supporters are split into "divisions" spread across the UK and as many as 3,000 people are attracted to its protests. The group also appears to be drawing support from the armed forces. Its online armed forces division has 842 members and the EDL says many serving soldiers have attended its demonstrations. Darcy Jones, whose husband is a serving soldier and who acts as a spokeswoman for the EDL, said: "The soldiers are fighting Islamic extremism in Afghanistan and Iraq and the EDL are fighting it here … Not all the armed forces support the English Defence League but a majority do." Following the British National party's poor showing in this month's local and national elections anti-racist campaigners say some far-right activists may be turning away from the ballot box and returning to violent street demonstrations for the first time in three decades. Nick Lowles, from Searchlight, said: "What we are seeing now is the most serious, most dangerous, political phenomenon that we have had in Britain for a number of years. With EDL protests that are growing week in, week out there is a chance for major disorder and a major political shift to the right in this country." In undercover footage shot by Guardian Films, EDL spokesman Guramit Singh says its Bradford demonstration "will be huge". He adds: "The problem with Bradford is the security threat, it is a highly populated Muslim area. They are very militant as well. Bradford is a place that has got to be hit." Singh, who was speaking during an EDL demonstration in Dudley in April, said the organisation would also be targeting Tower Hamlets. A spokesman for the EDL confirmed it would hold a demonstration in Bradford on 28 August because the city was "on course to be one of the first places to become a no-go area for non-Muslims". The EDL has already announced demonstrations in Cardiff and Dudley. The former Home Office minister Phil Woolas said: "This is a deliberate attempt by the EDL at division and provocation, to try and push young Muslims into the hands of extremists, in order to perpetuate the divide. It is dangerous." The EDL claims it is a peaceful and non-racist organisation only concerned with protesting against "militant Islam". However, over the last four months the Guardian has attended its demonstrations and witnessed racism, violence and virulent Islamophobia. During the election campaign David Cameron described the EDL as "dreadful people" and said the organisation would "always be under review". A spokesman for the Home Office said that although the government was committed to restoring the right to "non-violent protest … violence and intimidation are wholly unacceptable and the police have powers to deal with individuals who commit such acts. The government condemns those who seek to spread hatred." He added: "Individual members of EDL – like all members of the public – are of course subject to the law, and all suspected criminal offences will be robustly investigated and dealt with by the police." |
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| Karif-Chris | May 28 2010, 10:37 PM Post #5 |
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| Deleted User | May 28 2010, 10:44 PM Post #6 |
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Why don't these same MP's take a walk through these areas on their own any time day or night. This is England, we are English and there should be no no-go area's in this country for ANYBODY! If we do a demo in a predominantly muslim area and they kick off and riot while we demonstrate peacefully, what does that tell you? "Poor old muslim's they were provoked and are perfectly justified in their disorder. It must be the EDL's fault!" f**k Off you bunch of spineless pricks! Deal with the real issues of why we exist and you wont need to deal with the symptoms of our existence but then that would require more effort on your part and we can't have you f**kers going out of your way to earn your salaries now can we? |
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| Deleted User | May 28 2010, 10:49 PM Post #7 |
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Indeed. F**k em - and they can put that in their next article. |
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| Deleted User | May 28 2010, 11:05 PM Post #8 |
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only a few words in that are worth reading we are growing day in day out and will carry on doing so the whisper has become a ROARRRRRRRRRRR NS |
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| Deleted User | May 28 2010, 11:06 PM Post #9 |
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These are the same hypocrites who tell us there are no, no go areas. Now they say it's provocative to march in certain "diversified" areas. |
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| Zefiris | May 28 2010, 11:15 PM Post #10 |
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What a pile of tosh! "What unites them is a rampant and violent islamophobia" No what unites us is love for this country you liberal treachourous maggot! |
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| Zefiris | May 28 2010, 11:17 PM Post #11 |
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matthew.taylor@guardian.co.uk Feel free to let Mr Taylor know what you think of his biased report
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| Ash_G | May 28 2010, 11:17 PM Post #12 |
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Some good unbiased journalism there, nice to see they presented the opinions of all partys involved.... The blatant implication of the rise of the EDL was fuelled by the poor result for the BNP in the general election. The targeting of British soldiers on their return from duty last year or the mass break down of national identity under labour govornment for 13 years might have something to do with it maybe? Good reporting prats.
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| Deleted User | May 28 2010, 11:20 PM Post #13 |
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did they not question why mr singh was part of a far right group? |
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| Zefiris | May 28 2010, 11:21 PM Post #14 |
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My gosh Weymon Bennett really is the ugliest mofo I have ever set eyes on... |
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| Room 101 | May 28 2010, 11:27 PM Post #15 |
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So the bleeding harts at the guardian got some column inches out of a stitch up job, wow shocker NOT! "Undercover footage shot by the Guardian reveals the English Defence League, which has staged a number of violent protests in towns and cities across the country this year, is planning to "hit" Bradford and the London borough of Tower Hamlets as it intensifies its street protests." lovely stuff, dripping fear and Contempt they really do like to spin a yarn don't they, and they have a go at the right for spreading fear, Hypocrites!! Edited by Room 101, May 28 2010, 11:56 PM.
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"You asked me once, what was in Room 101. I told you that you knew the answer already. Everyone knows it. The thing that is in Room 101 is the worst thing in the world.” O'Brien - 1984 | |
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| saint christopher | May 28 2010, 11:28 PM Post #16 |
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obivously all the black and asian lads in the edl are racist thugs to its on the front page to
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| englandman | May 28 2010, 11:28 PM Post #17 |
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Bet he wants compensation to feed his froffy mouth.
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| Zefiris | May 28 2010, 11:30 PM Post #18 |
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It's his mouth what scares me.... He always seems to have white bits of dried up saliva/semen coated on his lips. Makes him look like he's been giving head. |
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| Deleted User | May 28 2010, 11:35 PM Post #19 |
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David Cameron describes the EDL as truly dreadful people, how would he f**king know. Has he come and spent the night with any of us and our families. Oh no I forgot, he's too busy spending his time with Muslims and their families in their homes. They're all the same. Treacherous f**kers. |
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| guypatriot | May 29 2010, 12:07 AM Post #20 |
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Hello SWFC Got to love the bit about Weyman Bennett i.e. "They (the EDL) are openly looking to attack people I believe". A total contradiction in terms. If Bennett as quoted believes this to be true it cannot be an open fact. Likewise if you look at the threats against Bennett and the UAF then it is clearly the same man who they broke up to two incidents with the first being shown when Bennett played with his mobile to make it look like it was being played from the mobile. When I look at this article and clip it just looks like a continuation from the BBC documentary aired around 10 days ago. They even go to the same Goodwin fellow that the BBC used. He says that he doubts that EDL members want to live in a multicultural state. I can only answer for myself on this one and say this man is correct. I do not want to live in a multicultural society however I'm very happy to live in a multi ethnic society. Whilst I know I'm not alone on this one within the EDL I can also state that representatives of all the major parties including most of the leadership of both Labour and the Tories have stated that multiculturalism has failed and likewise pretty much every major media outlet including writers from the Guardian have stated the same thing. For those that don't get what I mean by the difference between a multicultural society and a multi ethnic one then easiest example would be Northern Ireland. From the times of the original Cambro-Norman invasion of Ireland the English and then British saw waves of migrants they sent to Ireland assimilate to being Irish. This is why it was decided to send in Scots Calvinist Puritans which they knew would never assimilate. In the case of Britain it was in order to subdue Ireland. That is the Scots Calvinists would always be loyal to their religion and the crown. In a nutshell this is what you have in Northern Ireland. Hence multiculturalism i.e. the idea to promote that ethnic minorities retain the culture, religion and national identity of their heritage will naturally lead to division from the host people where culture, religion etc. is at odds. Regards |
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| Deleted User | May 29 2010, 12:23 AM Post #21 |
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It is publicity, that is good enough for me at the moment. |
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| Deleted User | May 29 2010, 12:47 AM Post #22 |
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Im drinking from the same water bowl as anumber1 No Surrender! |
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| Deleted User | May 29 2010, 01:29 AM Post #23 |
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Yes, because we want MORE British people to die at the hands of extremists. f**kING MORON! |
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| Deleted User | May 29 2010, 01:56 AM Post #24 |
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A lot of the footage is old stuff. This might well be in response to the Jewish Division being set up, or in response to the next London demo. Incidentally, those two events are directly connected. They're trying to make sure that EDL is considered off limits to any "thinking" person. All I can say is: the law of unintended consequence. Without a shadow of doubt the response to this is that we are going to get more disciplined. If they were calling our anarchic operations "a street army" for the last year, they haven't seen anything yet. |
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| Deleted User | May 29 2010, 02:01 AM Post #25 |
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weyman bennet nick lowles and jason parkinson what was salma yaqoub and martin smith not in at the time he called round |
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| DonkingDave | May 29 2010, 07:13 AM Post #26 |
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"Nick Lowles, from Searchlight, said: "What we are seeing now is the most serious, most dangerous, political phenomenon that we have had in Britain for a number of years. With EDL protests that are growing week in, week out" Something to be very proud of?
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| Deleted User | May 29 2010, 07:52 AM Post #27 |
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Is that all they can come up with in months of investigation. |
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| Deleted User | May 29 2010, 08:07 AM Post #28 |
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Here's the email addy for the Guardian folks, get firing off a few lines and let them know what you think of, Mathew Taylor's article. Keeping it polite, of course. letters@guardian.co.uk |
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| pete | May 29 2010, 08:39 AM Post #29 |
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cheers guardo... another 2,000 members tommorow. lefty fools will never learn. |
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| Deleted User | May 29 2010, 09:43 AM Post #30 |
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There's no doubt about it this is a change in editorial policy by the Guardian. After the March 6th demo they produced a video report of equal length to this one, and it was the most even-handed account of that demo. This is just following in the lines of the BBC. They are clearly rattled. The gay division's been in existence for 3 months, with a total media blackout. There has not been a moment on those demos where pink triangles were not held up in front of the cameras. I can understand the journalist at the Bolton News being so young and ignorant that he didn't know the meaning of the sign. But not multiple journalists and cameramen at multiple demos. They have an agenda. No doubt about it. I'm going to discuss with the Jewish Division that they march with yellow star signs rather than israeli flags. Maybe pink triangles and yellow stars together will get them thinking who the real nazis are. |
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| MrsCheeks | May 29 2010, 10:05 AM Post #31 |
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Publicity is publicity - and there is one brilliant part of that article that has IMO sealed the deal in support of the EDL. The quote from the lady in the Armed Forces Division .... HOW FANTASTIC!!!! They have no idea just how morale boosting that will be - even if you dont support the EDL, people DO support the Troops and want them home, away from fighting a cause that is many people's minds UNWINNABLE. A war - ironically - that is being ALLOWED to happen in OUR country. I kinda want to contact the idiot journo and thank him for doing a sterling job in almost guaranteeing even MORE support for the EDL ![]()
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According to the journalisted site LINK his email addy is: matthew.taylor@guardian.co.uk Also, according to his first online article in the Guardian, Matthew Taylor is director of the Institute for Public Policy Research. Until December 1998, he was assistant general secretary of the Labour Party. (dated Tuesday 11th May 1999) LINK also, from Wiki:
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| Bob England | May 29 2010, 10:08 AM Post #33 |
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The Guardian is simply leftist toilet paper a wouldn't even buy to wipe ma ass on!
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| Deleted User | May 29 2010, 10:16 AM Post #34 |
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never bought the guardian cant wipe your rear properly it seems to leave more richard then when i start so i stick to andrex
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| Deleted User | May 29 2010, 10:18 AM Post #35 |
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Best try and use anonymouse.org link when linking to the site, or when copy pasting. The site says it logs your IP. (mind you, I should imagine this is the norm on all news sites). |
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| Deleted User | May 29 2010, 10:19 AM Post #36 |
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Someone should point out to Nick Lowles that the most serious, most dangerous, political phenomenon that we have had in Britain for a number of years is radical Islam. After all if the radicals get their way (never gonna happen whilst we're around) then democracy will be gone, the monarchy will be gone & equal rights for women (& infidels) will go the way of the dodo. I for one would rather eat my own excrement than let that happen!! |
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| Deleted User | May 29 2010, 10:23 AM Post #37 |
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Could somebody please teach the nations journalists that "islamaphobia" is a made up word that only came into existence a few years ago, whilst we're at it we should point out that Islam is a religion, muslims are a follower of the religion of Islam & therefore not a race. If Islam/muslim is a race then for the hatred their book spews about non-muslims then they are the most racist group on the face of the planet |
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| Bob England | May 29 2010, 10:25 AM Post #38 |
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| Idjut Bungmewonga | May 29 2010, 10:27 AM Post #39 |
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Excuse me for stating the glaringly obvious here, but how is democratic protest "inflammatory" etc ? The establishment media have shifted the blame away from the islamists who see any form of criticism as "inflammatory" and onto people such as the EDL who wish to point out the hateful and bigoted nature of islam ... talk about Orwellian Newspeak ! |
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| Deleted User | May 29 2010, 10:37 AM Post #40 |
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As time marches on so will the EDL. I have every confidence in that. Each time the leftist press release an article like this some people will come to this site and may be turned to our cause rather than away from it. The Guardian will ultimately turn its support base to us. As Islam takes the piss more and more people will wake up to its wickedness. Organisations like the EDL will be remembered for being the few beacons of common sense and righteousness. |
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sopt on admiral |
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| Deleted User | May 29 2010, 10:51 AM Post #42 |
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i was suprised to see they have ran with this story on the front page |
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| Deleted User | May 29 2010, 10:53 AM Post #43 |
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This is so true. You all know I'm perverse. But I gave up on Gay Pride marches when people in the crowds stopped spitting at us. Job done. Time to move on. |
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| MrsCheeks | May 29 2010, 11:10 AM Post #44 |
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| Deleted User | May 29 2010, 12:02 PM Post #45 |
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The guy on the coach was well out of order. The lesson here is that the press are out to get us, creeping into our demos in the hope some one will say something to be used against us. If you don't know the guy standing next to you at a demo, watch your tongue. Don't say anything that can be used against EDL. You can bet that hidden among us are more of these journos looking for a scoop, don't give it to them. Remember the WW2 saying, walls have ears. Our leadership team refused to be interviewed because they know that whatever is said will be twisted These reports on us are designed to give the government reasons to ban us, this is the plan by the left wing media, to get us banned. The publicity may bring us new members but what kind of new members? Arthur. |
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Agreed, Arthur. People need to think twice, on a demo especially, it's easy to get carried away in the heat of the moment. My personal opinion is that no one should speak to the press without prior EDL approval. Off the cuff remarks are a mine field when taken out of context. |
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| Deleted User | May 29 2010, 12:26 PM Post #47 |
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Exactly right Ruby, people should say no comment to the press unless they have permission to speek for EDL. Arthur. |
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Actually, I think it is a deliberate tactic. The establishment want violent racists to join EDL. They want to keep away women, gay people, ethnic minorities. This kind of stitch up is almost unavoidable. Stoke was in January but they're still using footage from it. The bloke on the coach was making a joke about jihadis, I think that was obvious. We have no idea if his earlier more aggressive outburst was provoked. People are discussing ways to bring more discipline to the demos. Even people who previously have had a few drinks on the demos are stopping drinking beer before and during the demo. We're not going away. We're going to get more disciplined. We will make an official complaint about this stitch up to the PPC. When we get more disciplined, then we will start to take action outside the offices of these newspapers. We will bring it home to them. The liberal elite who work for and read the Guardian have failed. They are doing nothing to oppose islamization. We are. Without a shadow of a doubt the editors and journalist know that they have deliberately manipulated the available footage. Toad of Toad Hall gets to show the abusive phone calls he got "recently" (i.e. after the Bolton demo). Him being arrested at the Bolton demo is only dropped in passing, after the audience has been led to be sympathetic to him. There is such clear manipulation in this video that if the EDL leadership do not make a detailed complaint to the PPC, I will do it myself. |
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| Deleted User | May 29 2010, 12:47 PM Post #49 |
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I wish people would stop making sensible posts - there is nothing to admin/delete/edit/report!!
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| Deleted User | May 29 2010, 12:47 PM Post #50 |
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How do we stop day trippers talking to the media? Divisional supporters can be disciplined (and probably are). |
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The blatant implication of the rise of the EDL was fuelled by the poor result for the BNP in the general election. The targeting of British soldiers on their return from duty last year or the mass break down of national identity under labour govornment for 13 years might have something to do with it maybe? Good reporting prats.


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