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New Nationalism; Discuss...
Topic Started: May 26 2010, 10:40 PM (562 Views)
Gorgie
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f**k sake.

Stop focusing on the horrors of what white men have done! I don't think German's will automatically stop being proud of being German because of the holocaust.

I would be proud of my skin colour if I was black white or brown! For me it's natural to be proud of who you are.
"One ought never to turn one's back on a threatened danger and try to run away from it. If you do that, you will double the danger. But if you meet it promptly and without flinching, you will reduce the danger by half. Never run away from anything. Never!"

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May 27 2010, 12:02 AM
God, I wish I didn't bring it up now... I never said you can't be proud to be White. I said it shouldn't matter when it comes to pride in your country. I was trying to abolish the old ways of nationalism and presenting you with my personal view on what new nationalism should be.
Fair point.

Quite happy with your response here Spireite. You are saying I got the wrong end of the stick with your original post. Perfectly happy to accept that.

I think the issue with this thread isn't you it is the way that Ignoremeplease decided to jump on the issue and accuse everyone of being white supremacists for even touching on the subject.
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FFS - white guilt - don't talk out your arse sonny. I'm proud of being British, but if you want to play the white race card then accept the fact that there is more to be guilty of being associated with white race. As a white Englishman I am proud of being white, and of being English, and I make no apology for the bad things we have done as a nation. I don't think that any of you have actually read what's been typed. You've just cut and pasted without reading. Why should I be proud of what the Nazi's did. My ancestors fought against that, they fought against the red russians to stop the murderering bolsheviks. They fought against the tyranny of white peoples. All I'm saying is that race is not being English. Being English is about the traditions and culture of our country that we all love. It's not about being white, its about being loving this country, it's history, traditions, culture, its good points and it's bad. What is so hard to understand about that.
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Ahhh well lets all go for a puff with my little man.

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ignominius, you're the one not listening i'm afraid.

just read this, and have a little think right.

heritage and race are closley linked. a white english heritage has everything to do with race, because it is to do wtih skin colour. it's perfecetly acceptable to be proud if it without being a nazi or white supremacist.

saying that the white race have done bad things is a horrible argument. black people have killed people, asian people have killed people, yet I wouldn't dare deny them the right to be proud of their heritage and culture, which again is closely linked to race (cultures havnt mixed with each other for ever).

of course, 'new nationalism' means people of all coulours being proud of their country, but nationalism has always been that. white nationalism is a different thing entirely, something that i doubt any of us agree with, it is the principle that the white race is superior, which is bollocks.

white heritage and being proud of it, is not. being proud to be an englishman with asian heritage, being proud of what brown skinned people have bought to this country - is fine, and is a nationalistic viewpoint.

i'm off to bed now anyway, i just hope you can understand being proud of your race aswell as your nationality is fine.
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I didnt accuse everyone...I mentioned two names who then proceeded to bring race into the discussion. So please Lord Numpty get your facts correct before jumping on to bandwagons and making assumptions.

@avfc82 I was actually agreeing with most of what you typed. I only disagreed on a small point but you jumped down my throat without reading what wrote. But if you misunderstood me I apologise because I did agree with almost all you were saying.

To Anxiety and Lord Nelson, I apologise for biting the bullet, but when people crack at me for supposed PC when I haven't mentioned anything PC, just posted on the what Nationalism in the modern world meant. I do sometimes rise to the bait when I feel I'm being falsely accused (which I was). I don't agree with on certain issues, I think it best to leave it at that. I apologise for branding you both white supremacists, I take it back. We have more serious things to get worked up about than this.
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May 27 2010, 12:11 AM
Ahhh well lets all go for a puff with my little man.

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We could organise a fundraiser to fly him out here, so we could meet him in person.
"One ought never to turn one's back on a threatened danger and try to run away from it. If you do that, you will double the danger. But if you meet it promptly and without flinching, you will reduce the danger by half. Never run away from anything. Never!"

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ignominius
May 27 2010, 12:16 AM
I didnt accuse everyone...I mentioned two names who then proceeded to bring race into the discussion. So please Lord Numpty get your facts correct before jumping on to bandwagons and making assumptions.

@avfc82 I was actually agreeing with most of what you typed. I only disagreed on a small point but you jumped down my throat without reading what wrote. But if you misunderstood me I apologise because I did agree with almost all you were saying.

To Anxiety and Lord Nelson, I apologise for biting the bullet, but when people crack at me for supposed PC when I haven't mentioned anything PC, just posted on the what Nationalims in the modern world meant I do sometimes rise to the bait. I don't agree with on certain issues, I think it best to leave it at that. I apologise for branding you both white supremacists, I take it back. We have more serious things to get worked up about than this.
It's fine, I just hate the argument that the white race have done bad things which should mean we should not celebrate our heritage (as a white englishman).

i'm repeating myself now anyway.

i'll just say, I think anxiety talks a lot of sense, some people (not accusing anybody in this thread) often seem to mistake him as a nazi - read stormfront, then come back and call anxiety a nazi!
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No I apologise, it was in anger I said somethings I perhaps shouldn't. I should know better. I hope that Anxiety will forgive my outburst as I hope Lord Nelson will. As I said we have more important things to discuss than this...
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gorgie rules
May 27 2010, 12:16 AM
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May 27 2010, 12:11 AM
Ahhh well lets all go for a puff with my little man.

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We could organise a fundraiser to fly him out here, so we could meet him in person.
:D

That would be class.
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avfc1982
May 26 2010, 11:22 PM
'There is certainly no getting away from it in my Mrs country, they are proud of who they are. '

but then, bangladesh isn't a 'multicultural haven', they dont have to hide away from racial issues.

(I don't know if your mrs is bangladeshi, but it's just a hunch ;))
Not Bangladeshi. Thai.

Thailand is reasonably multicultural but Thai culture overrides all others.

You are not and never will be Thai unles you were born there (over simplified but you get the point).

Ethnic Thais are proud to be ethnic Thai.

Thais who are ethnic Chinese are proud to be ethnic chinese.

There are Thais who are ethnic Indian who are proud of that etc.

But first and foremost they are all proud to be Thai.
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I`m proud to be English everyone. :D
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May 27 2010, 12:24 AM
gorgie rules
May 27 2010, 12:16 AM
Anxiety86
May 27 2010, 12:11 AM
Ahhh well lets all go for a puff with my little man.

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We could organise a fundraiser to fly him out here, so we could meet him in person.
:D

That would be class.
Just hope he doesnt get cornered by some uaf, god knows how far he'd be able to run on 40 a day ffs :P
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May 27 2010, 12:21 AM
No I apologise, it was in anger I said somethings I perhaps shouldn't. I should know better. I hope that Anxiety will forgive my outburst as I hope Lord Nelson will. As I said we have more important things to discuss than this...
Fair play.

I am happy to leave things there.

Back on the subject of nationalism:

I don't get peoples problems with it. It isn't the same thing as Nazism on its own.

My main problem with National Socialism is the Socialism part!!!! As soon as that word is mentioned you know its going to be full of horse crap, oppression, reduced civil liberties and f**k up economics.

National Conservatism sounds better.
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May 27 2010, 12:24 AM
gorgie rules
May 27 2010, 12:16 AM
Anxiety86
May 27 2010, 12:11 AM
Ahhh well lets all go for a puff with my little man.

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We could organise a fundraiser to fly him out here, so we could meet him in person.
:D

That would be class.
Give him a 20 pack of L&B and a pint once he arrives.

Then point and laugh at him :D
"One ought never to turn one's back on a threatened danger and try to run away from it. If you do that, you will double the danger. But if you meet it promptly and without flinching, you will reduce the danger by half. Never run away from anything. Never!"

"You have enemies? Good. That means you've stood up for something, sometime in your life."


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No problem ignominius. I was/can be a prick.

I just hate the PC approach the EDL has gone down.

I mean the other day I seen someone say we need T-Shirts with Abdul printed on the front for us all to wear, do you know how ridiculous that sounded?

My mates pissed his sides laughing and I actually felt embarrassed.
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Well said MJ! Well I've made my apologies, I'm going....and yes I heard those big sighs' of relief! :huh:

People...let's just remember the common foe and and channel our passion for our country towards that and remember No Surrender!
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May 27 2010, 12:28 AM
Well said MJ! Well I've made my apologies, I'm going....and yes I heard those big sighs' of relief! :huh:

People...let's just remember the common foe and and channel our passion for our country towards that and remember No Surrender!
Yeah!!! Its the bloody darkies fault!!!

;) ;) ;) ;) ;)
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May 27 2010, 12:28 AM
Well said MJ! Well I've made my apologies, I'm going....and yes I heard those big sighs' of relief! :huh:

People...let's just remember the common foe and and channel our passion for our country towards that and remember No Surrender!
end of the day, we all support the edl, and we're not all gonna be the same. long as we realise it's just different opinions, we're fine!

Good to be on a messageboard where people arnt too stubborn to never give in.
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May 27 2010, 12:26 AM
Just hope he doesnt get cornered by some uaf, god knows how far he'd be able to run on 40 a day ffs :P
Who would be faster in a race - the smoking kid, or the EDL dog? There is only one way to find out.......fiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight. :D

Sorry all, back to topic.
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Anxiety, I know I just I was off, thank you for being a gentleman. We all have our moments....I think we all know I've just had mine! :lol:

And Lord Nelson my apologies again to you!

BTW - You two work well in a debate. Perhaps we should have one of your choosing...it's be interesting to see where it would go!
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May 27 2010, 12:31 AM
Anxiety, I know I just I was off, thank you for being a gentleman. We all have our moments....I think we all know I've just had mine! :lol:

And Lord Nelson my apologies again to you!

BTW - You two work well in a debate. Perhaps we should have one of your choosing...it's be interesting to see where it would go!
OK then.

How about:

Snickers Vs Marathon.


I propose the motion that not only should then name never have been changed but that it should now revert back to Marathon.

Why?

Because Snickers sounds a bit rude, or like its laughing at you for being fat. Ultimately it means nothing.

Marathon makes you feel like by buying one you are buying into a part of classical history. The word marathon evokes feelings of achievement, of success through hard work and perseverance, of heroes. Oh, and of delicous nougat, peanuts, caramel and milk chocolate.
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Marathon all day long. I still ask in certain shops if they sell Marathons - even though the Sn**kers are staring me right in the face.
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Marathon/Snickers whatever you choose to call them-they're horrible ;)
"One ought never to turn one's back on a threatened danger and try to run away from it. If you do that, you will double the danger. But if you meet it promptly and without flinching, you will reduce the danger by half. Never run away from anything. Never!"

"You have enemies? Good. That means you've stood up for something, sometime in your life."


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May 27 2010, 12:40 AM
Marathon/Snickers whatever you choose to call them-they're horrible ;)
Bloody Cadbury's supremacist.

Can't be an English chocolate bar unless you are owned by Kraft dontcha know.
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Well it's Kraft now...sounds seriously germanic to me! Teutonic supremacy all the way from the good ol US of A. (I'm not being serious here just to make sure no one takes me seriously - not that anyone ever did! )
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May 27 2010, 12:49 AM
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May 27 2010, 12:40 AM
Marathon/Snickers whatever you choose to call them-they're horrible ;)
Bloody Cadbury's supremacist.

Can't be an English chocolate bar unless you are owned by Kraft dontcha know.
Too right. Cadburys will reign supreme, despite being owned by Kraft :(

Canni beat a good old Dairy Milk! But I'm more fond of my Kit-Kats (dark chocolate kind), especially with a cuppa tea ;)
"One ought never to turn one's back on a threatened danger and try to run away from it. If you do that, you will double the danger. But if you meet it promptly and without flinching, you will reduce the danger by half. Never run away from anything. Never!"

"You have enemies? Good. That means you've stood up for something, sometime in your life."


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I miss kit-kats in the silver foil. There was something calming and relaxing, running the thumb down the silver foil between the fingers of choccy biscuit.
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May 27 2010, 01:01 AM
I miss kit-kats in the silver foil. There was something calming and relaxing, running the thumb down the silver foil between the fingers of choccy biscuit.
Do you know. I was thinking exactly the same thing when I had one with my lunch this morning.

Kit Kats just aren't the same without the foil.
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