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Their training the Taliban in first aid!
Topic Started: May 26 2010, 12:44 PM (629 Views)
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If the people are the enemy and they started a war, why the hell should we help them? Kick them to the kerb, that's all they're fit for. I'm all for helping anyone but I wouldn't spit on the enemy if they were on fire.


Why? Because its humane...because we're better than wanton cruelty and because there is a difference between righteous self preservation and sadism.

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Pffff, why can't we make wisecracks about a senseless, stupid, unfounded, unproven and morally corrupt ''religion''?
I do it about christianity all the time, why stop for Islam?

As for the salt injection type comments, I'm sure they're tongue in cheek, mate.


Well in terms of the freedoms afforded you in a free society you are more than free to joke about any and everything you want but when you joke about killing masses of people by means of injection on a website dedicated to maligning those particular people it sort of takes on a vaguely sinister tone and loosens the tongue firmly jammed in ones cheek.

For example, a misogynist joke in a pub or on a building site by a bunch of guys is relatively harmless...a misogynist joke told by a man leaving a court room for having savagely beaten and raped a lady takes on a rather more sinister tone.

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Mate I may be wrong here but you seem to have this view that everybody should love everyone and there should be no wars ect; in the world.


Definitely :) If not love each other then at least respect each others beliefs and not mess with each other.

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Yes it would be nice if everybody could get on and so forth but thats just not the way life works


Not yet buddy but we gots ourselves a long ol' way down that ol' trail yet, yes sir! :)

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Wars happen and in war cruel things happen.


Oh definitely but we should do our level best to ensure that we're not the guilty party.

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You need to pull your head out of the clouds and relise that we don't live in a war free peaceful world and to be honest I don't think we ever will.


God, where's John Lennon when you need him :D Oh yes, thats right, dead...bad example LOL!! You know what i mean though, every journey begins somewhere and just cuz you can't see your destination don't mean it ain't there. Just got to keep heading for it. Or else, what is there worth living for? People are all we have out here and they're all as important as each other...the white, the black, the brown, the pink, the sikh, the muslim, the hindu, the jew, the christian, the atheists, the agnostics, all of em, beautiful wonderful brilliant people. Just gotta come to realise that we're all the same inside really and there ain't a single damn reason on this planet that we should be killing each other...not one. At least i don't think so. No ones ideology, whether it be that of western democracy or Islamic...whatever the word is is more important than a human life. Its just words, its just ideas, its just s**t people have dreamt up, none of it is more important than human life...none of it.

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And another thing.....You seem to be for helping injured terrorists an awfull lot. Are you really an EDL supporter or are you just another troll....


I'm for being humane...a human being...terrorist or otherwise. I'd help a white racist that wished me dead if i thought i was the only one that could save him from dying, i would not stand idly by or turn my head to anyone that was dying if i could honestly save their life, i would, whether they were the most noble decorated war hero or some f**kin peadophile, it makes no difference to me...after all, he's a paedophile right? And because of that i should become a murderer? No way, thats not how i work, i don't need that s**t in my life, i didn't make life and i don't have no right to take life, WHOEVERS it is.

And i'm not EDL and have never claimed to be, i just find the organisation interesting after seeing them on the telly the other night.

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If Christians and Jews cried instead of laughing with others about thier own religion, then they turn out just like the extremists.
Threating and targeting any and everyone who makes fun of them.


Yeah but you're just not any old people, you're people on a website thats dedicated to maligning and attacking an entire faith wholesale. Actually, no, it doesn't seem to be for that purpose, at least in name but its what goes on on this forum, THATS why it appears a little sinister, i've been hearing muslim jokes since i was in secondary school but it'd be a little different being said here just as some friend making jew jokes to you is just a personal chuckle but if it was say, some guys at a Neo Nazi gathering it changes the tone of said jokes somewhat. Its about context.

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Please watch this Keef from beginning to end. Then tell me if you saw those three Islamists lying wounded on the battle field, you would administer first aid to them. After what they have just done. I know for a fact, if I found them I could quite easily, sit there and watch them draw their last breath whilst I was drinking a cool can of beer and smoking a cigarette. Some people are just pure evil and don't deserve any compassion.WARNING GRAPHIC

*** WARNING : THIS VIDEO IS AS GRAPHIC AS THEY COME******

http://somalisforjesus.blogspot.com/2009/01/mansur-mohamed-sfj-martyr-of-year-2009.html

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////Well in terms of the freedoms afforded you in a free society you are more than free to joke about any and everything you want but when you joke about killing masses of people by means of injection on a website dedicated to maligning those particular people it sort of takes on a vaguely sinister tone and loosens the tongue firmly jammed in ones cheek.

For example, a misogynist joke in a pub or on a building site by a bunch of guys is relatively harmless...a misogynist joke told by a man leaving a court room for having savagely beaten and raped a lady takes on a rather more sinister tone.///

Yes, but misogyny is real, it can be tested, proven, observed and predicted. God can't, it is a figment of imagination.
“Ridicule is the only weapon that can be used against unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct before reason can act upon them.”-Thomas Jefferson
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May 26 2010, 12:50 PM
its called being a human being and having a soul and not suffering another human being dying in the street. you're either for life or against it, i wouldn't let a nazi die in the street if i could help it...and i'm pakistani.
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Yes, but misogyny is real, it can be tested, proven, observed and predicted. God can't, it is a figment of imagination.


Right well if you wannabe pedantic and nit picky about it misogyny isn't real, its an abstract concept, misogyNISTS are real however so just as God ain't real, his believers are, aren't they and thats what i was expressing

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Please watch this Keef from beginning to end. Then tell me if you saw those three Islamists lying wounded on the battle field, you would administer first aid to them. After what they have just done. I know for a fact, if I found them I could quite easily, sit there and watch them draw their last breath whilst I was drinking a cool can of beer and smoking a cigarette. Some people are just pure evil and don't deserve any compassion.


OK, thats one of the more f**ked up things i've seen in my life. f**k..

But in answer to your question, yes i would administer help to them for a number of reasons. Firstly, they commited murder right, they killed a man and thats wrong? Now, i don't think me killing them makes me a good person, i think that makes me on a par with them...perhaps not as obscene or wanton but in the same category. Also, whatever a person might do in their life, nobody is beyond redemption, nobody is beyond doing a 180, nobody. I'm a firm believer in this and i always will be. Perhaps, just MAYBE, if i help them, that wounded person and they see me tending to them, dressed like i am and as western as i am in appearance it'd be like...wow, this person should hate me but he's helping me....whyyy? whys he doing this? Where does this come from? Also, i just can't take any...joy or happiness or satisfaction from people dying...i just can't, its not in me, i'm missing whatever part of a human being it is thats responds favorably to seeing another man die. Even...seeing Mussolini's dead body or...watching Saddam get hanged...i don't extract no personal satisfaction from it, its grotesque.

And the more i see things like that the more it solidifies in my mind and in my heart and in my soul that i would ALWAYS help and ALWAYS save a person from peril if i could because i never ever ever want to be like those people in that video, not at all, not even one bit, i don't want a single hair on my head to reflect anything that people like that stand for a perpetrate, never ever ever ever ever..

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Yeah, cuz all the real hardmen are on internet message boards fella, didn't you know? :D
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kEEF mate listen i believe we of the E D L are united through our differences .But making up your mind about an organisation from forum posts of individuals is not the most logical way of doing it, especially when you look at the top of this web page you will read this
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If OUR lads were better marksmen then the scum they are fighting against would be dead and not wounded lol fuk them.Remember lads us British are fighting a losing battle in afgan ect because of our goverments failure to let the Army make the decisions that need to be taken ie wipe the useless rag tag tramps that are the T A Taliban,instead of the pc war that is happening now.We also gave 1st aid to the cowardly scum that tried to blow up Glasgow airport when we should have let the bastard burn to death like the piece of s**t he is/was.We need to take the kiddie gloves of when we are dealing with idiotic islamist fools and let the troops loose
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kEEF mate listen i believe we of the E D L are united through our differences .But making up your mind about an organisation from forum posts of individuals is not the most logical way of doing it,


Oh my mind is anything but made up. Far from it i think its a really cool organisation with a lot of potential, a seminal organisation perhaps, a landmark in its kind of...diversity and acceptance and thats rare in working class organisations, its always been that way...reminds me of Birminghams Zulu Warriors in that respect although its a rather pale comparison. I do think it has great potential though, shows that we english do step out from behind the curtain when the time is right, i'm certainly not at some sort of conclusion, i don't really reach conclusions about people as a general rule because they always suprise the fanny adams out of me :D
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There is no away on G-ds, green, holy earth I how help any of those c**ts. I wouldn't give them the stream off my pi$$.

I really cant understand how someone can say "I'm against militant islam and think its wrong, oh but I would help one wounded on the battle field so he can get back up and kill more poeple" Now that IS f**kED UP
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Yeah, cuz all the real hardmen are on internet message boards fella, didn't you know? :D
easy mate i was only jesting,i was taking a leaf out of tynies cockney slang book
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//Right well if you wannabe pedantic and nit picky about it misogyny isn't real, its an abstract concept, misogyNISTS are real however so just as God ain't real, his believers are, aren't they and thats what i was expressing//

No. misogyny is a very real act/state of mind. How can hating women be an abstract concept. Is hating broccoli also an abstract concept?
A belief/faith is the trust that something without evidence is true none the less.
Men might hate women for any number of personal reasons; ie nagging wife, brutal mother, psycho boss etc but each of these reasons can be validated, verified, measured, observed etc etc etc They are actual reasons, not wishful thinking.

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lol is there not enough arseholes in parliment allready mate :D
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Good point someone at home just asked me.

If a terrorest killed someone in your family, whether it was a bomb attack or a beheading, Would you still help them, after knowing they cheered when your family was killed? After they believed your innocent family got what they deserved?
Why help someone on the battle field who wouldn't think twice about getting up and stabbing you, because you believe different, but you still risked your live to save theirs?
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lol is there not enough arseholes in parliment allready mate :D
you,d be the only one bollocks mate .Unlike the f*CKING EUNOCHS that "run" the place lol
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my 2 cents on the issue of the red cross

it is an independent organization to help those in time of need, whether its the wounded solider or the starving person in a far away land, what it is not and should never be, is a source of direct 'support' to a particular army. By training the taliban, the red cross, crossed the line .....

The taliban isnt interested in keeping our wounded soldiers alive, if anything they'd take off the head and do untold barbaric things to them.

By teaching them battle field first aid, they have effectively prolonged the enemy's chance of re engaging in the field of battle and killing an allied solider ....

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They are TERRORISTS end of. Red cross/crescent are pro taliban via these actions.
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No. misogyny is a very real act/state of mind. How can hating women be an abstract concept. Is hating broccoli also an abstract concept?


OK, table, chair, hand, desk, shelf, fork, these are real things, misogyny, racism, time these are abstract concepts (hey, you started this nit picking crap :D )

Sorry Bonesy, i was tryna keep the joke running ;)
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Yes, but misogyny is real, it can be tested, proven, observed and predicted. God can't, it is a figment of imagination.


Right well if you wannabe pedantic and nit picky about it misogyny isn't real, its an abstract concept, misogyNISTS are real however so just as God ain't real, his believers are, aren't they and thats what i was expressing

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Please watch this Keef from beginning to end. Then tell me if you saw those three Islamists lying wounded on the battle field, you would administer first aid to them. After what they have just done. I know for a fact, if I found them I could quite easily, sit there and watch them draw their last breath whilst I was drinking a cool can of beer and smoking a cigarette. Some people are just pure evil and don't deserve any compassion.


OK, thats one of the more f**ked up things i've seen in my life. f**k..

But in answer to your question, yes i would administer help to them for a number of reasons. Firstly, they commited murder right, they killed a man and thats wrong? Now, i don't think me killing them makes me a good person, i think that makes me on a par with them...perhaps not as obscene or wanton but in the same category. Also, whatever a person might do in their life, nobody is beyond redemption, nobody is beyond doing a 180, nobody. I'm a firm believer in this and i always will be. Perhaps, just MAYBE, if i help them, that wounded person and they see me tending to them, dressed like i am and as western as i am in appearance it'd be like...wow, this person should hate me but he's helping me....whyyy? whys he doing this? Where does this come from? Also, i just can't take any...joy or happiness or satisfaction from people dying...i just can't, its not in me, i'm missing whatever part of a human being it is thats responds favorably to seeing another man die. Even...seeing Mussolini's dead body or...watching Saddam get hanged...i don't extract no personal satisfaction from it, its grotesque.

And the more i see things like that the more it solidifies in my mind and in my heart and in my soul that i would ALWAYS help and ALWAYS save a person from peril if i could because i never ever ever want to be like those people in that video, not at all, not even one bit, i don't want a single hair on my head to reflect anything that people like that stand for a perpetrate, never ever ever ever ever..

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Yeah, cuz all the real hardmen are on internet message boards fella, didn't you know? :D
OK, I never watched the vid, as soon as I realised what it was, I stopped it, but if that was your brother, father, son, would you still want to help those three murdering scumbags? What about if they had just also raped your wife, mother or your 10 year old daughter? Still want to save their lives?
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Shut up you f**king mug


Oh look, its Danny Dyer ^o)
And you don't want me to react the way I did? Twat
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OK, I never watched the vid, as soon as I realised what it was, I stopped it, but if that was your brother, father, son, would you still want to help those three murdering scumbags? What about if they had just also raped your wife, mother or your 10 year old daughter? Still want to save their lives?


Yes and for exactly the same reasons as i stated above.

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Oh, you reacted? I never noticed, just saw a few swear words strung together communicating nothing in particular. Please don't be rude, its not nice.
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its called being a human being and having a soul and not suffering another human being dying in the street. you're either for life or against it, i wouldn't let a nazi die in the street if i could help it...and i'm pakistani.
No s**t. I could tell which side you were on the second you opened your mouth.

So, shouldn't the Taliban be "human beings" and help our boys out when they are in a tough spot?

Dickhead.
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Un-bloody believable. Typical BBC though keeping this story on the down low.

As someone who has served on the frontline in Afghanistan, I have really mixed feelings on this. As a warrior and a patriot I feel that the red cross has crossed a line here, aid the enemy: you are the enemy. But as a profesional British Soldier...the eblem of the red cross affords you protection. Under the Geneva convention you may not fire upon any person, vehicle or buidling that displays the logo of the red cross/cresent. As the British army we reconise that and obey the rules or engagement. But I know the medic that was attatched to my platoon was fired on just as much as the rest of us. The taliban certainly don't play by the rules, they happily fire apon persons and other things wearing protected symbols. On those grounds I feel they should not be afforded the same oppoutunity to utilise the service of the red cross, despite the organisations stance on helping all humans.
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No s**t. I could tell which side you were on the second you opened your mouth.


Really? Would you like to tell me?

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So, shouldn't the Taliban be "human beings" and help our boys out when they are in a tough spot?


Of course they should, yes. And if they don't (which they probably won't) thats because THEY are in the wrong, it doesn't mean we should join them.

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Well now there's a grown up word if ever i heard one. It appears that Nelsons seen another column :D
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Arrrrrrgggghhhhh. Just wrote a massive post then lost it. A blessing really I'm sure you will all agree.

Keef, lol to the column remark. I like your sense of humour.

I have now read the whole thread and I take back the dickhead remark. I find it interesting to hear your point of view.

Please post some more on other topics.

Still not happy about the red cross training those crazy taliban types. There have been loads of red cross chuggers in Brum city centre recently. I might give one of them a piece of my mind.
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I HATE TALIBAN.
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No s**t. I could tell which side you were on the second you opened your mouth.


Really? Would you like to tell me?

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So, shouldn't the Taliban be "human beings" and help our boys out when they are in a tough spot?


Of course they should, yes. And if they don't (which they probably won't) thats because THEY are in the wrong, it doesn't mean we should join them.

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Well now there's a grown up word if ever i heard one. It appears that Nelsons seen another column :D
Why should we help the Taliban if they dont help us? Is that called being a human being? No......

Now away back to the cage where you belong.
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Why should we help the Taliban if they dont help us? Is that called being a human being? No......


Possibly the highest estate of human being...the ability to be selfless is some animals are incapable of. Worth bearing in mind.

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Now away back to the cage where you belong.


There's really no need for that but i suppose if it makes you feel better..
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Or the fact, they'd pick their AK's, IEDs and RPGs up and go kill some more NATO troops.

And once they find a wounded soldier, instead of helping him. They'll behead him.
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Dog eat dog world.

It's a war, not a playground scuffle.

In all seriousness, they only way we can actually have a chance of winning this war would be to nuke the whole f**king country haha
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Hmmm...

Two starkly different views on this one.

I have to say. I think that Keef's opinion here is admirable if a little deluded. He is saying fight fire with water, not more fire.

Sounds sensible doesn't it?

Unfortunately, not all fires respond well to water. Also, we haven't got enough water.

The only way to sort out some fires is by creating more fires to take away the source of the fuel.

f**k me I'm confusing myself here. Think I will stop.

In short. Wouldn't be nice if we could just give the taliban care bears instead of shooting them and hope they turn into a group of tie die t-shirt wearing flower power hippies.

Problem is, unless you live in la-la-land, that ain't got a chance of working.
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i got a txt in the daily star about this :D
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Why should we help the Taliban if they dont help us? Is that called being a human being? No......


Possibly the highest estate of human being...the ability to be selfless is some animals are incapable of. Worth bearing in mind.

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Now away back to the cage where you belong.


There's really no need for that but i suppose if it makes you feel better..
Yet you say that it's fantastic we help the terroists that are the Taliban by giving them first aid?


Why and how anyone could support terroists like the Taliban who the IRA gave have given some of their weapons to is beyond me.( Been Proven )

What I meant by that is that you should be put back in the cage where you belong until you realise that supporting scum like the Taliban is unacceptable thats as bad as supporting Islam extremism and the UAF in my eyes.

But free speech and all that s**t meh
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Its called assisting the enemy and should be dealt with via a bullet to the head.
How much aid do they give to our troops, those that have come home with limbs missing, no they fix up the c**ts so they can blow more of our boys away.
People must remember this is war and no war had ever been won by bolstering up the enemys troops, why dont we supply them with ammo and tanks they could do a lot more damage then. :X
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Yet you say that it's fantastic we help the terroists that are the Taliban by giving them first aid?


No, not the Taliban, ANYONE whoose helpless and injured, not just the Taliban.

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What I meant by that is that you should be put back in the cage where you belong until you realise that supporting scum like the Taliban is unacceptable thats as bad as supporting Islam extremism and the UAF in my eyes.


Again, please don't be rude and insulting, it doesn't make you look clever and i can do it too, its really not that complicated but is it absolutely necessary to behave like that in a discussion? I don't do it to you so please don't do it to me, thank you.

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But free speech and all that s**t meh


Yeah, meh, all that s**t that this organisation is about upholding, i'm suprised to see you speaking so offhand about it.

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Its called assisting the enemy and should be dealt with via a bullet to the head.
How much aid do they give to our troops, those that have come home with limbs missing, no they fix up the c**ts so they can blow more of our boys away.
People must remember this is war and no war had ever been won by bolstering up the enemys troops, why dont we supply them with ammo and tanks they could do a lot more damage then.


A bullet in the head of aid workers, hmmm, well thats a novel idea. I dunno how much you do or don't understand about warfare but just because an army is engaged in a war does not mean that all sense of human decency and morality is forgone and you just charge in there wiping everybody out, raping looting and pillaging and then having a huge barbeque amongst the ruins, there are certain rules and ethics.

No ones talking about giving them ammos and tanks, don't be childish. War is not about wiping out the enemy and the measure of a true soldier is his conduct in ALL situations and moral dilemmas that one is confronted with in the field, it is not a how many can you kill shoot em up computer game, this is real life...its a hell of a thing to take another mans life...and it doesn't just go away.

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In all seriousness, they only way we can actually have a chance of winning this war would be to nuke the whole f**king country haha


Thats just seriously scary..
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May 27 2010, 09:31 AM
is it absolutely necessary to behave like that in a discussion?
On a wider scale, perhaps there is no longer much to discuss. Many people feel that way. The secular and rational certainly have nothing to discuss with unenlightened religious madness of the Islamist mindset.
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This is by far is the most bizzare comment yet..thats your response to my requesting to not be spoken to insultingly and rudely?!?!..what, we should just all insult each other now? If thats the case then you'll excuse me if i don't participate. Have you actually read a single word i've written?!?! I think you'll find that it is far outside the bounds of religion of any kind and 110% rooted in logic, more so than anyone else i've so far encountered on this site.

In fact i'm presistently confronted with people who break down when faced with humanitarian non-religious denominational logic with responses ranging from "in all seriousness, lets nuke them haha" and "f**k them".
Edited by keefriffhard, May 27 2010, 10:38 AM.
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