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| Tweet Topic Started: May 26 2010, 07:37 AM (449 Views) | |
| whitesquall | May 26 2010, 07:37 AM Post #1 |
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the EDL should be a pure symbol of rejection against islamic extremist muslims, those muslims that would want to establish shariah law in not just england, but the world as a whole. i have to say that i whole heartedly agree with the EDL's core message, a message of discontent that focuses on extremist muslims living in our country, we have to show them that we are not afraid and that we will fight to expose any that plot against our great country. I have to say that i can't agree with the way violence and racism seem to feature in a lot of your demo's. i'm writing this after watching the bbc 3 program and i just wanted to share my thoughts. p.s. im sure your gonna say that the bbc are biased but, the yobs were there for all to see. |
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| ENUFisENUF | May 26 2010, 08:08 AM Post #2 |
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But the regular civilised people were also there for all to see and the Beebs didn't show them. In fact the regular civilised people far outnumber the yobs, no two ways about it. That ''documentary'' was crap. It didn't even focus on the EDL's mission, that of combatting extremism. It only focussed on a handfulof yobs, keptmentioning racism despite the people of many races in our ranks and it alwaysn implied we were a faction of the BNP. My 7 year old could have written a fairer and less biased account. |
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| whitesquall | May 26 2010, 08:14 AM Post #3 |
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please understand me when i say, i know what the EDL are all about but that doesnt account for the fact that violence does occour and racist remarks are made by participating members of the EDL marches. i think that the core message is great and that we all should stand up and be counted, but untill such issues have been elimenated from the EDL marches, the EDL is never going to be taken seroiusly and will always be compared to the BNP and other nasty organisations. |
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| Deleted User | May 26 2010, 08:23 AM Post #4 |
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Hi whitesquall, I'm afraid that at an essentially open protest where there is no formal membership requirements there will always be troublemakers attracted. Some of them will even be placed there by vested interests. The beeb tried hard to put forward a negative idea about the EDL, in my mind they failed by firmly sticking to this line and not pushing the muslim commentators and totally ignoring the non violent vast majority. If you can't see that, you should watch again or even better, do your own research. As for me, I have an Asian wife, children, and grandchildren who are half Jamaican. I wouldn't stand with racists but stand proudly with the EDL against the rising dangers of Islam and all it represents in my country. |
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| whitesquall | May 26 2010, 08:34 AM Post #5 |
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hi cutter, please dont get me wrong, im not having a go at the EDL, im just saying the certain people see the EDL as an excuse to vent hatred and rage. i understand that it is an open protest and that there are no rules to join, i really do think that the EDL needs to stress that it is a non-violent orginisation. this is the difference between being taken seriously and being shunned by the general public that the EDL are marching for. |
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| nwlondonyids | May 26 2010, 08:42 AM Post #6 |
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my angle on the bbc 3 was reasonable, but we must take the ignorant from the ranks, and try and educate, there will be many who come, and lets face it i love a good drink too, but lets have some true respected leaders at the demo, that people who walk with us, will listen to.? we dont want us and any to be tarred with that brush of just a drunk band of hooligans,NO LETS MAKE A STEP ON THE STAIRS OF RIGHTOUSNESS AND CLIMB UP.!!! NOT FALL DOWN. IF WE ALL STAND TALL AND PROUD,WE DONT NEED TO BURN AND BREAK.!!! STRENGH IN NUMBERS.!!! |
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| nemisis123456 | May 26 2010, 08:47 AM Post #7 |
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The documentary was not too bad although obviously there was focus on some dickheads who brought the EDL into disrepute. Thankfully the documentary also shown that we have non white members standing up for the cause, that is an indisputable fact. I have mixed feelings about it but remember the program had to go to an editor who basically decided the content. We also know the reporter was fighting the editor about the structure and the content of the documentary. |
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| whitesquall | May 26 2010, 08:49 AM Post #8 |
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Exactly my sentiment nwlondonyids!! |
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| nwlondonyids | May 26 2010, 08:51 AM Post #9 |
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if a membership system was implemented then all those that break order can be openly expelled from the group, and the media can be told "he was not a member, or he has been banned," so then it will look that we are not just trying to amass, a possie of lawless anachists who are bent on destruction.we can prove to the world that we are a peaceful united front. and we come in peace to protect our isle from factions hell bent on changing it to barbaric draconian rule. the future of mankind is to make man kinder.!!! peace be among us all.x |
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| whitesquall | May 26 2010, 08:53 AM Post #10 |
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ok you say it way better than i can m8 nwlondonyids lol |
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| whitesquall | May 26 2010, 08:56 AM Post #11 |
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i also think that the EDL should appeal to non extremeist muslims and openly encourage them to speak out against the rebels in their midst |
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| Deleted User | May 26 2010, 08:56 AM Post #12 |
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We're going around in circles here. The question has been answered. We're non violent, non racist, we do stress that, time and again. As said we're an open organisation, idiots turn up and UAF turn up, when troublemakers are brought to our attention, they are removed from the demo. As for getting the message across and stressing it, it is very difficult when you have a biased media. When the BBC film 2,000 members protesting but focus on half a dozen idiots and say look at the violence, they don't focus on the rest of the 2,000 and say it is largely peaceful with a handful of idiots. Even at Bolton, where the vast majority arrested were UAF (about 54) they don't say counter protesters let off smoke bombs, kicked off trouble before the EDL even arrived and fought with the police. No they say there were violent clashes with the police at the far right demonstration of the EDL in Bolton today and police arrested 70 people. Here's some of the media rubbish this week. It's in the local Newcastle paper, both articles came out on Monday and I'm posting them in the order that they were published. The first one is about as fair as we get and fairly unbiased. http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/north-east-news/todays-evening-chronicle/2010/05/24/fears-over-rival-streets-demos-in-newcastle-72703-26508834/2/ Obviously for some lefty scrote from the NUJ/UAF that was too fair and he had to correct it to how it should read and posted another article a few hours late, and turned off comments as well. http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/north-east-news/breaking-news/2010/05/24/police-operation-revealed-for-newcastle-marches-61634-26509494/ I draw your attention to this part in the second article. "There have been clashes elsewhere in the country when the English Defence League (EDL), which claims to oppose militant Islam but says it is not racist, has met with opposition from groups such as Unite Against Fascism. EDL was set up last year and has a following among football hooligans." Does he state that the leader of the UAF is currently on bail intention to incite violent disorder? Does he say that the UAF escaped prosecution despite video evidence of them throwing darts an MEP giving a press conference? We can stress all we like and do, but people believe the media. |
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| Gibbsy | May 26 2010, 08:56 AM Post #13 |
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The BBC might well have 'painted' the EDL as a bunch of racist thugs (probably to get their ratings up, as they would see it as better viewing) but its had a positive effect on the EDL by the fact that numbers on this forum and facebook have increased by quite a lot. I just hope though that members joining the EDL are joining for the right reasons and not just to have a day out at demos to cause trouble. |
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| lagerlout | May 26 2010, 09:06 AM Post #14 |
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every organisation has the potential to turn violent if provoked or intimidated, wether its EDL or GREENPEACE the BNP or CND If groups like UAF/SWP did not provoke the EDL by holding counter demo's then as proven the EDL demo's will be peacefull If the police did not take the EDL to stupid locations and kettle them in like cattle with no toilet /refreshment facilities for hours at a time - then the EDL demo's would be peacefull If the EDL were allow'd to march instead of having static demo's then the demo's would be peacefull THE EDL DOES STRESS THAT IT IS PEACEFULLY DEMONSTRATING AGAINST EXTREMIST MUSLIMS & SHARIA LAW But if the media want to keep showing the bad sides of the EDL - so what - it just shows that people are sick to the teeth of this government doing naff all about the problem and will take to the streets to keep Britain free I believe that there is no such thing as BAD publicity as all publicity wakes people up to the problem - after every demo - or tv doc done by the EDL our numbers grow, so dont grumble just get your mates to join aswell !!! |
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| whitesquall | May 26 2010, 09:11 AM Post #15 |
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'If groups like UAF/SWP did not provoke the EDL by holding counter demo's then as proven the EDL demo's will be peacefull If the police did not take the EDL to stupid locations and kettle them in like cattle with no toilet /refreshment facilities for hours at a time - then the EDL demo's would be peacefull If the EDL were allow'd to march instead of having static demo's then the demo's would be peacefull THE EDL DOES STRESS THAT IT IS PEACEFULLY DEMONSTRATING AGAINST EXTREMIST MUSLIMS & SHARIA LAW' the demo's should pe peaceful no matter what happens, thats the point isn't it? |
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| Deleted User | May 26 2010, 09:21 AM Post #16 |
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Been on a demo? Been attacked by gangs on a demo? If the answer is yes to any of the above, you will understand why people react and defend themselves. |
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| whitesquall | May 26 2010, 09:29 AM Post #17 |
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'An eye for an eye will make the world blind' - Ghandi, the worlds best peaceful protestor. being provoked and attacked is part and parcel of standing up and making your voice heard, especially if its a controversal voice. |
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| lagerlout | May 26 2010, 09:39 AM Post #18 |
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how would YOU like your membership details being leaked to UAF/SWP/ANTIFA and groups of idiots then attacking your home and intimidating your wife/girlfriend and family - like what happend with the leaked BNP membership list, also what do you class as ''all those that break order'' if an EDL protester reacts to intimidation / provocation then they have a right to defend themselves. |
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| Deleted User | May 26 2010, 09:39 AM Post #19 |
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rocks thrown,an arsenal of weapons found in the early hours,islamist youths blogging about cutting people up,uaf threating individuals prior to demos ie me,islamist community threatening a fullscale riot if a peacefull demo was not halted. all very peaceful from a community in denial of terror groups set up to murder innocents. if i get attacked i will restrain and defend myself. we PEACEFULLY PROTEST AGAINST MILTANT ISLAM..this proves those who dont stand with us support the militants . there the line,its getting wider step across and join us. mark WDL
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| Deleted User | May 26 2010, 09:40 AM Post #20 |
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Please make sure, if you ever go to a demo, that I am not standing next to you if we are attacked then.
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| Deleted User | May 26 2010, 09:43 AM Post #21 |
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Mate, as people have already said we don't have any control over who comes to demos. We have to trust that the people who come, come for the right reasons and not to Kick off with local Muslims air the UAF. Don't forget were a broad organisation with 000's if marchers so the actions of 100 or so can't reflect the EDL! Take it from sombody who's been to demos mate, the 'violence' isn't as bad as people make out
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| whitesquall | May 26 2010, 09:44 AM Post #22 |
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im just glad i got such a good debate going i dont know if any of you know lee pullen but he's my big brother lol, i think im going to have to come on the next EDL march, to see for my self. where is the next one?
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| lagerlout | May 26 2010, 09:44 AM Post #23 |
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or stood next to me --- i would want the guy next to me helping me not quoting bloody Ghandi as you get you head caved in with a brick lol |
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| Deleted User | May 26 2010, 09:47 AM Post #24 |
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This Saturday in newcastle pal |
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| Deleted User | May 26 2010, 02:59 PM Post #25 |
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Sorry I'm late to this discussion. First let me tell you my reaction to violence - I hate it. Like a phobia. I won't go into my childhood details, but there's good reason for it. And it might explain why I'm a homo... who knows. The other homos in the gay division have made it clear when this subject comes up, they would have no problem using any weapon and inflicting fatal wounds if they were attacked. I'm not like them. I apologize for my mental disorder. I know their response is the normal response. However, that said. After being on 5 demos and spending a total of about 25 hours in the company of EDL people, I've seen a total of about 10 mins of "violence". None of this violence involved anyone hitting anyone else. Even given my phobia about violence, I've never felt threatened for 1 minute in all those hours. That is how much of a misrepresentation that "documentary" was. |
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| Deleted User | May 26 2010, 04:33 PM Post #26 |
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if the edl had a membership, it would either have to be stored on index card system or computer, if this did happen, the person or persons who control the actually memberships, would more than likely get their houses broken into by bogus gasmen or something, and the membership list or computers would be stolen, then special branch and the police would have everybody`s details. |
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| diff bristol | May 26 2010, 04:42 PM Post #27 |
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I have just watched the bbci player film called " young, british, and angry." After i finished watching it, i decided to join you all, and this is my first post. I would like to make a comment. i fully agree with the core aspects of the english defence league. it is about time something was done about these issues. from what i have just seen, albeit i'm a newbee to this, i can see one major obsticle which will bring this league to it's knees if not corrected. that my friends, is the violence. i personally think that this is a very legitimate cause, and most british citizens are behind this cause 100%. that said.... if the violent aspect is not dealt with, the masses will just think it's a group of hooligans, and won't bother to join your growing forces. i believe, if the violence is stopped, the whole damn country will back you. i believe this will be the sole reason, that you will either sucseed or fail. sort this guys, and this will be the biggest thing to happen in this country since world war 2. we are all very angry about these issues, but we need to calm these violent offenders...make them see the bigger picture, education is always better than random violence. us brits are a funny race, they will put up with all sorts of s**te for many years, they bottle it all up, then let it all out in anger. yes, we have put up with this s**te for far to long now, and it is time for change....but lets do it the right way, therefore making it permenant. respect ! p.s. some links for you to watch, but beware folks, it will make you angry, so be calm, we will defeat these people with the right approach. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZHnfFLZ9XU http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YbnaWpSS8Dk http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m1d0Lx8MPtI http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZdhKcFk5vg all 4 parts of the whole documentary....enjoy ! |
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| Deleted User | May 26 2010, 05:55 PM Post #28 |
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i have been on a few demos , and yes there has been violence from some members but more violence has come from the biggest firm in the country , the great unwashed are not a threat they will never attack a demo as they have stated in their blogs , we would annihalate em , as for the asian threats of violence then you only have to look at the dudley demo and the rooftop protest , the asian threat of violence is 100 fold compared to the threat of violence from the edl members , main difference is we are standing up for a just cause whereas they just want the off , funny how they never attack when we are mobbed up do they . |
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| nemisis123456 | May 26 2010, 07:11 PM Post #29 |
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That is 100% correct. The thing is that the ob know that's the case. |
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| Deleted User | May 26 2010, 07:27 PM Post #30 |
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The media are mainly interested in disturbances at any demo for any cause. It's their bread and butter, they have hundreds of hours of footage of peaceful EDL demos and peaceful protesting but it doesn't grab attention like a skirmish does. These media outlets exist to entertain they don't want ex Womens' Institute members or ex Mothers' Union members (like me) on screen, they want the out of the ordinary and they will spend hours and hours filming and travelling until they get it. |
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| Deleted User | May 26 2010, 08:32 PM Post #31 |
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Hi and welcome to the forum. You see that is where the media have got you! You say that you are a newbie but already you have swallowed that time old media assertion that we are violent. You probably believe that we are racists as well. Speaking from personal experience, there are racist elements that attach themselves to the EDL but they aren't representative of the majority. With regard to the violence, yes there has been some but all of it has been in response to violence perpetrated by the UAF & SWP. In the early days of the EDL there were some 'ugly' scenes. Most recent demo's have seen what the media and people of a nervous disposition would describe as "violence" but this so called violence has been very minor as far as violence goes. Each time the EDL does a demo, there is less 'trouble' than the time before which would indicate that the message is getting through to most of our members. Despite what they say on the telly, EDL is not a racist, violent organisation. Once again, welcome.
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| nemisis123456 | May 26 2010, 09:13 PM Post #32 |
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Yep absolutely, those who seek only one angle will wait patiently until they get the briefest of justifications to paint the whole as the general perception. Its unfactual and bigoted, but a reality we have to accept, in time they will look stupid for what they have done. |
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| rickyrock | May 26 2010, 10:47 PM Post #33 |
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Hi Diff, welcome bro. Sadly in addition to the UAF etc who occassionally cause us to defend ourselves, their is a real problem caused by OB tactics of kettling. When we are allowed our democratic right to march such as london x 2, there have been nil probs from EDL and friends. However Stoke in particular and Edinburgh was a policing disaster and has really made me realise how they are the state fascists who are used against us enjoying our democratic rights. this is despite many of the ordinary porkers suporting us..... |
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| diff bristol | May 26 2010, 11:03 PM Post #34 |
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fair play guys, some good points there. i don't think you are a racist group at all, otherwise i would not have joined you guys. i know the media and how they work, i hate um ! they are like 2 gossiping old dears in the street chatting about everyone. my hobbies are shooting, falconry, and fishing, and the anti's cause the same problems to our sport, as the uaf ect to this cause. i know that all we are asking is the same god damn rights as they get. that is not racism. i live in bristol, and every pub you go in, every single person i meet, weather they are 10 years old or 80 years old, all have the same feeling. so it must be the same anywhere in the country. i don't know where the government get their statistics from, about how many uk residents agree with the immigration ect, it's obviously make believe, cause everyone i meet are the same as me. this country needs a right good kick up the arse, and i'm behind you all the way. we will win this just cause, of that i am sure. my personal view, is that this, if handled correctly, will just get bigger and bigger, until someone in the government will have to not only listen to what we are saying, but also they will have to do something about it. at the moment they are s**tting themselves. no one wants to be the first to stand up and say enough is enough....but i bet everyone in the government ect, is dying to be first to be the second if you know what i mean ? once that bridge has been crossed, there will be no stopping it. it's a crying shame that we don't have a prime minister with enough balls to back the beliefs and wishes of the majority of the country.... i was always led to think, thats what the elected were supposed to do ? you see if the powers that be don't do something, then one day, in the not so distant future, there will be a huge, violent, deep rooted, and long drawn out battle in this great country of ours. i think that fuse is very close to being lit at the moment, all it would take is say a terrorist attack at a football match fathers taking their sons to the footy, and carrying them out in a body bag, and this country will go right up in the air.....the government knows this, all they need is someone to step up and make a stand. then we would have the " no, i'm spartacus " effect, for those of you that have seen the film, and everone else would follow. |
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| Deleted User | May 26 2010, 11:18 PM Post #35 |
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I'm sorry, but these people with their concerns about violence are just the living end. They haven't been on a single demo, and they are giving us advice on what the issues are after watching a 60 minute documentary. You didn't even have to have any knowledge of the world outside that documentary to see it was biased - the visuals contradicted the commentary. Here I am. A 50 year old, disabled homo, with a phobia about violence. The last thing I saw before I went on my first EDL demo was the Stoke demo. Yet I went to the next demo on my todd. And made it known I was a raving queen. I have to wonder why people call me a pansy. Loads of women have joined EDL in the last week with less concern about "violence" than we're seeing on this thread. I'm sorry if my language is too violent. I hope no-one was hurt. |
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| fatboy | May 26 2010, 11:25 PM Post #36 |
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just to give my pannies worth. the fact that the police droped the edl lads on a dual carrigeway and how the box them in, surely as a part to play in the reactions of some, ok it isnt needed but the police are not helping matters, people will see and soon get a grip, but the police need to be told that they are breaking the law, edl have a right to protest/old a demo by law, and they shouldnt be treated the way they are being treated. then maybe things will calm down a bit. |
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| Deleted User | May 26 2010, 11:29 PM Post #37 |
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With reference Dudley Demo: That was a serious Police turnout, which begs the question - how did `Asian Youths` manage to close enough to lob bricks at our static demo? Thats what caused the rush. |
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| WakeupEngland | May 26 2010, 11:54 PM Post #38 |
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Have to disagree I am afraid. I am concerned about the association of violence with the EDL and do not do this on the basis of the TV documentary but on what I witnessed at the Stoke and Dudley demos, albeit from a fairly sizeable minority of the folks there. In my humble opinion, at present we are a million miles away from attracting large numbers of the general public to our events (if that is our aim) until they feel safe to attend. People have argued that the trouble at Dudley was sparked by Asian youths lobbing bricks. That was not my take on events. Certainly when a load of folks burst through fences at the end of the demo there was no provocation from Asians, UAF or anyone else that I could see. Folks are wondering why when 22,000+ folks signed a petition against the Dudley super mosque, why a few more did not turn up. I think the answer is obvious - our association with violence. Let’s hope the plan to use more stewards at our events will sort the problem out. |
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| Deleted User | May 27 2010, 12:03 AM Post #39 |
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WakeupEngland: The first time the fences were being moved - during the speeches - was down to the lobbing of bricks. Can`t comment on the stuff at the end, I was at the opposite end. |
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| Deleted User | May 27 2010, 12:49 AM Post #40 |
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Unlike m'learned friend, I was 20 feet behind the fences being pulled down at the end. I've stated it many times here (I'm so repetitive)... The gay division were amongst the last to leave (I know, a bunch of gossipy old women, it's true). As we wandered towards the exit, I wondered why there were no police for 100m unlike when we came in. Furthermore we were walking over some of the fencing on the ground. I asked about this (you see how law-abiding I am), and was told "the police told people to pull it down, as it was the quickest way for us to get out." Fair enough, I thought, but seems a waste to damage the fence that way. A few minutes later as we were filing through the tunnel of fencing, people started to pull it down. We shouted at them to stop, but they continued. Then a bunch of several hundred ran away into the town. There was nothing stewards could have done to stop this. But the police could have prevented it happening. They made a decision not to be there. As people were running away, the coppers were still 100m away. And they did not give chase for at least a minute or two. Incompetence or manipulation by the police. |
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| Deleted User | May 27 2010, 01:17 AM Post #41 |
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I stood watching the crowed as it left were the fence first went down. The fast majority of those who broke out( there were easily 1,500 plus) headed away from town and any trouble. What does it matter what the TV says, it will always say what the editer wants . AS has been said in earlier posts. THe reaction everywhere seems to be the same , the EDL just keeps on growing. In the past day I have been approached by so many people who want to become involved. ITS not just the programme. Its said " cometh the hour cometh forth the man". Well in the case of the british people its come the hour , come forth the EDL. THey have been waiting and hopeing and now what they need has come. I think personnally that the EDL is and will be the most important movement to sweep through the british people since the charterist and workers movements of the 19th century. We do need to get to grips with some things. But if we follow our our spirts as the old bard said, and each one of us is true to our own selfs , then the good will shine through the whole of us and we will win . WE have to as we are all the children have. sorry if i got abit carried away there !! |
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| diff bristol | May 27 2010, 05:15 PM Post #42 |
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i totaly agree casualgreen. i realy do understand how bias the documentary was, and i fully understand that the violence is caused by a few understanably angry people. the vast majority of the members on all those marches were very well behaved indeed, which i did find very unusual for this type of event...hence the reason i joined you guys. Homo Sapien, you are correct with the fact i have never been on a demo, but as i have only just joined yesterday i havn't had time lol. i will attend in the future as we all need to make a stand. also as for giving advice, it's not really advice, more like my personal view. one thing is for sure though, we are all on the same side here, and we all believe in the same thing. i was so glad to see all you guys who attended these marches, it gave me hope, that at last we are starting to step up and let our feelings and wishes be known...thank god !, whoever he is. this league, is just what this country has been crying out for for many years. no longer will we sit back and let this happen. i know all you guys, who organise and run these demo's are trying your hardest to keep these violent offenders [ allbeit only a few ] under control for the good of the cause. it probably will take time and the right leaders to organise these marches in the correct way, but in the end i am sure we will do this. thank you guys, for giving me and all who follow some well needed hope. it makes me proud to be british.....and i will continue to fly my flag, and i don't care who gets offended by it, pride is not a crime. to sum up, i saw a phrase on a facebook page that summed it all up for me, it said " why is it my country's flag offends you, but my country's benifits don't ? " i rest my case. |
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| Deleted User | May 27 2010, 07:06 PM Post #43 |
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100% true mj , amazed me when they said nothing had provoked us to tear down the fences , lies blatant lies |
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1:22 AM Jul 11
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Feliz Navidad (Gold) created by Sarah & Delirium of the ZNR








i dont know if any of you know lee pullen but he's my big brother lol, i think im going to have to come on the next EDL march, to see for my self. where is the next one?


1:22 AM Jul 11