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Why the 'Peaceful Moderate' Muslim 'Majority' is Irrelevant
Topic Started: May 25 2010, 07:42 AM (2,000 Views)
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A man, whose family was German aristocracy prior to World War II, owned a number of large industries and estates. When asked how many German people were true Nazis, the answer he gave can guide our attitude toward fanaticism. 'Very few people were true Nazis,' he said, 'but many enjoyed the return of German pride, and many more were too busy to care. I was one of those who just thought the Nazis were a bunch of fools. So, the majority just sat back and let it all happen. Then, before we knew it, they owned us, and we had lost control, and the end of the world had come. My family lost everything. I ended up in a concentration camp and the Allies destroyed my factories.'

We are told again and again by 'experts' and 'talking heads' that Islam is the religion of peace and that the vast majority of Muslims just want to live in peace. Although this unqualified assertion may be true, it is entirely irrelevant. It is meaningless fluff, meant to make us feel better, and meant to somehow diminish the specter of fanatics rampaging across the globe in the name of Islam.

The fact is that the fanatics rule Islam at this moment in history. It is the fanatics who march... It is the fanatics who wage any one of 50 shooting wars worldwide. It is the fanatics who systematically slaughter Christian or tribal groups throughout Africa and are gradually taking over the entire continent in an Islamic wave. It is the fanatics who bomb, behead, murder, or honor-kill. It is the fanatics who take over mosque after mosque. It is the fanatics who zealously spread the stoning and hanging of rape victims and homosexuals. It is the fanatics who teach their young to kill and to become suicide bombers.

The hard, quantifiable fact is that the peaceful majority, the 'silent majority,' is cowed and extraneous.

Communist Russia was comprised of Russians who just wanted to live in peace, yet the Russian Communists were responsible for the murder of about 20 million people. The peaceful majority were irrelevant. China’s huge population was peaceful as well, but Chinese Communists managed to kill a staggering 70 million people.

The average Japanese individual prior to World War II was not a warmongering sadist. Yet, Japan murdered and slaughtered its way across South East Asia in an orgy of killing that included the systematic murder of 12 million Chinese civilians; most killed by sword, shovel, and bayonet.

And who can forget Rwanda, which collapsed into butchery. Could it not be said that the majority of Rwandans were ‘peace loving’?

History lessons are often incredibly simple and blunt, yet for all our powers of reason, we often miss the most basic and uncomplicated of points:

Peace-loving Muslims have been made irrelevant by their silence.

Peace-loving Muslims will become our enemy if they don't speak up, because like my friend from Germany, they will awaken one day and find that the fanatics own them, and the end of their world will have begun.

Peace-loving Germans, Japanese, Chinese, Russians, Rwandans, Serbs, Afghans, Iraqis, Palestinians, Somalis, Nigerians, Algerians, and many others have died because the peaceful majority did not speak up until it was too late. As for us who watch it all unfold, we must pay attention to the only group that counts -- the fanatics who threaten our way of life.

Lastly, anyone who doubts that the issue is serious and doesn't send it on to everyone they know is contributing to the passiveness that allows the problems to expand. So, extend yourself a bit and send this on and on and on! Let us hope that thousands, world-wide, read this and think about it, and send it on - before it's too late.

.....this was written by Paul E. Marek, of Canada
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Very nicely written piece, and so true that if people stay quiet. Then before they know it , it's too late to do anything.
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I think its bollox myself
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May 25 2010, 08:21 AM
I think its bollox myself
How's it bollocks? If you're going to diss something, at least explain your reasoning. The article makes good sense to me and most others who have read it, so why is it bollocks?
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I think its the usual crap seen when people try to use loads of non Islam reasons to bolster their hatred of Islam.

I am anti-islamist and anti Shari a Law. Thats it. That was all the EDL were, but it seems as though there is a movement toward hating all Muslims. the 'If you follow Islam your a ...' type posts are on the rise. Where are these hordes of 'taliban toms'? Not seen in the world yet, but here you are spouting its the 'end of the world as we know it'
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Very well written and interesting article, thanks for posting
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I think its the usual crap seen when people try to use loads of non Islam reasons to bolster their hatred of Islam.

I am anti-islamist and anti Shari a Law. Thats it. That was all the EDL were, but it seems as though there is a movement toward hating all Muslims. the 'If you follow Islam your a ...' type posts are on the rise. Where are these hordes of 'taliban toms'? Not seen in the world yet, but here you are spouting its the 'end of the world as we know it'


So, Islam is a religion of peace, in your view? Islam is compatable with western values and fits in well?

Studio, Islam is taking over our country. Whether you can see it or not, it is happening. It's a slow, creeping takeover. More and more mosques are popping up all over, more and more Muslims and with that, more and more terrorists.

I am not against Muslims. Muslim's are people and each person is different, it's Islam I have a problem with. Islam is a wicked ideology and it has no place in a modern, civilised world.
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I am anti-islamist and anti Shari a Law. Thats it. That was all the EDL were, but it seems as though there is a movement toward hating all Muslims.
But it is the duty of a Muslim to spread Islam, thereby it is also their duty to spread Sharia. Muslims should follow Allah, not be governed by man made laws, Islam thereby forbids democracy. True, Muslims do vote but only to further their cause of Spreading Islam and when they get to a certain level, they will reject democracy and impose Sharia law from a position of power.

This is why there are few moderate Muslims that speak out, because it is their duty not to.
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I'm not sure that I believe in a 'peaceful muslim majority', I would rather think of a 'silent muslim majority' that is waiting to take up anything that is granted to them by their organisations.
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i have heard muslims stand up and denounce i4uk etc on national radio. I have seen them argue against sharia in the west. Look at the style of some of the posts here. If admin were to change the word muslin to black how would those posts read? We need to fix this imho
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i have heard muslims stand up and denounce i4uk etc on national radio. I have seen them argue against sharia in the west. Look at the style of some of the posts here. If admin were to change the word muslin to black how would those posts read? We need to fix this imho
Studio, here is what I see when I look at Islam. The silent majority are irrelevant:
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Studio - Have you ever seen a Muslim "Not in my name" demonstration like the one against the Iraq War in London? Has there been one single demonstration against Islamism by Muslims anywhere in the world? Even the demonstrations in Iran recently were nothing to do with the repressive religious policies of the regime. Can you give me the name of one prominent Muslim fighting against the jihad?

Until Muslims start to make more noise against what is being done the world over in the name of their religion, then I am afraid people will fail to distinguish between Muslim and Islamist.

(Plenty of Muslim groups [like MPACUK] voice their opinions about Islam4UK because Anjem Choudery is suspected by them of being an Mi5 provocateur.)
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Silence will be taken as acquiescence. That's natural.
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I agree with the OP.
Islam has noplace in civilisation. It only seeks to spread itself,further its own cause and eventually become the one remaining monotheistic religion.
It does so by insisting that the qur'an is the one true word of god that cannot be questioned and must be followed by anyone who calls themselves muslim. If a muslim questions the content of the qur'an then they are left open to being accused of being non muslim. If they truly love their religion they will not take the risk of being ostracised by their fellow believers.
Studio, you mention you have heard muslims speak out against I4UK etc, no question about it,so have I.
But these are invariably lone voices in a sea of islamic silence. They are the odd muslim who can be bothered calling up a radio talk show but I have never seen a moderate muslim march condemning terroism or wahhabi style Islam.

I have seen and heard many more ''moderate'' muslims apologise for terrorist activities perpetrated by their fellow believers by blaming everything on the US and British foreign policy. I have heard many ''moderates'' refuse to condemn Hamas and Hezbollah. I have heard many ''moderates'' argue with non muslims about interpretations of the qur'an yet,when questioned about whether the qur'an should be interpreted by mere men, they insist it shouldn't.

The silent majority of muslims are, by their silence, helping spread the word of fanaticism.
It is an inescapable and unpalatable fact that Islam allows no questioning of its dogma. It's a case of ''you're either with us or against us''.

And, Studio, replacing the word muslim for black is irrelevant. They are not related one bit, one is a race, one is an ideology as you well know.
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I’ve seen plenty of examples of “nice upstanding members of the Muslim community” refuse to condemn acts of termism.

I do not believe this is because they are terrorists. I firmly believe it is because if they do they will be in for a very, very hard time. Until radical Islam is brought under control the moderate Muslims feel they cannot speak out. Its fear pure and simple.

Just my two cents.
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I agree with the OP.
Islam has noplace in civilisation. It only seeks to spread itself,further its own cause and eventually become the one remaining monotheistic religion.
It does so by insisting that the qur'an is the one true word of god that cannot be questioned and must be followed by anyone who calls themselves muslim. If a muslim questions the content of the qur'an then they are left open to being accused of being non muslim. If they truly love their religion they will not take the risk of being ostracised by their fellow believers.
Studio, you mention you have heard muslims speak out against I4UK etc, no question about it,so have I.
But these are invariably lone voices in a sea of islamic silence. They are the odd muslim who can be bothered calling up a radio talk show but I have never seen a moderate muslim march condemning terroism or wahhabi style Islam.

I have seen and heard many more ''moderate'' muslims apologise for terrorist activities perpetrated by their fellow believers by blaming everything on the US and British foreign policy. I have heard many ''moderates'' refuse to condemn Hamas and Hezbollah. I have heard many ''moderates'' argue with non muslims about interpretations of the qur'an yet,when questioned about whether the qur'an should be interpreted by mere men, they insist it shouldn't.

The silent majority of muslims are, by their silence, helping spread the word of fanaticism.
It is an inescapable and unpalatable fact that Islam allows no questioning of its dogma. It's a case of ''you're either with us or against us''.

And, Studio, replacing the word muslim for black is irrelevant. They are not related one bit, one is a race, one is an ideology as you well know.
Well put.

Islam is incompatible with the history and values of the Western Enlightenment. Until the Muslim world goes through its own religious revolutions (and there is no sign of it happening, in fact quite the opposite) there will never be a 'moderate Islam'.

"There are many moderate Muslims but there is no moderate Islam" - Geert Wilders.
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Cant see the pics on my phone. Your right about the demos but i do wonder what your doing to encourage it? I have yet to see a muslim rape in the name of allah, but have seen that action used to demonise all muslims. The EDL have an acceptable message until we move from islamist to islamic hatred. We need everybody feeling thay can join, and there are great swathes of people who dont. And thats excluding the muslims in the swathe.
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I’ve seen plenty of examples of “nice upstanding members of the Muslim community” refuse to condemn acts of termism.

I do not believe this is because they are terrorists. I firmly believe it is because if they do they will be in for a very, very hard time.
It takes men and women of courage to stand up to despotism and tyranny. But in all periods of human history there have been those who have done so, and often made the ultimate sacrifice. No muslims standing up yet. There are some who have left the religion and now fight the jihad (Raymond Ibrahim, most notably) and the brave son of a Hamas leader...but they are conspicuous by their absence. So far.
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May 25 2010, 09:42 AM
Cant see the pics on my phone. Your right about the demos but i do wonder what your doing to encourage it? I have yet to see a muslim rape in the name of allah, but have seen that action used to demonise all muslims. The EDL have an acceptable message until we move from islamist to islamic hatred. We need everybody feeling thay can join, and there are great swathes of people who dont. And thats excluding the muslims in the swathe.
But rape and pillage ARE permissible aspects of fighting jihad. It's ghoing on all over the world. The rules on 'booty' (no pun intended) and the spoils of war cover rape and what to do with enslaved captives. Mr Khan at the newsagents may not practice it, but try Sudan.
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I agree with TV175.
Rape is an acceptable part of jihad. The number of rapes on non muslim women by muslim men is very high indeed. This is because muslims have been taught at their parents' knee that non muslims are not worthy of respect, only of contempt.
They grow up with an inbuilt contempt for western women.
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Sadly rape is used as a weapon and is a particular problem in Sweden right now.

Recently the chef officer was forced to quit her job as she said something along the lines of 80% of rapes are committed by a specific ethnic group. I’ll let you fill in the blanks ;)

That’s from memory but I found it quite shocking, which is why it has stuck.

There was also a few rapes in the midlands recently where the perpetrators were young Islamists taking part in street Jihad.

Both are easy to find on Google.

What strikes me is that while these crimes are used to bring the host nations society down those decent people do nothing.
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“Your women are a tilth for you (to cultivate) so go to your tilth as ye will....” Qur'an 2:223.

And of course in Koranic law/Sharia a female rape victim must have 4 male witnesses to the penetration. If she cannot produce 4 male witnesses, then she is guilty of adultery and can be punished for it. 80% of women in Pakistani jails are rape victims who could not produce the required number of witnesses. (The Hudood Ordinance - wikipedia unreliable on this as in all matters pertaining to Islam)
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For me, Islam is a threat to everyone, it doesnt matter what part of the world your in, what colour you are, people who follow Islam are causing trouble, could you imagine them in complete control of western civilization, wed be faced with the choice convert or die. At the moment America and Europe are the main powers and help provide as much freedom as possible, but now weve let Islam get a foot-hold here and it is growing and thriving at an alarming rate and its only a matter of time before they take the reigns of power, even in America they are starting to find so-called home grown terrorists, why because theve let the f**kers come and settle like we have, theve been given freedoms they could only have dreamed of in there own countries and through this we are on the road to the down fall of western civilisation. It may not happen in my lifetime, but i believe one day it will and God help the non-believers if Islam does truly dominate the west. Though i doubt God will listen cos he never heard the cries of the Jews so i doubt hell hear our cries either.
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The PMMM are guilty by the silence,they long for the sharia and us infidel to be compliant and pay our tax to exist,they are the agenda setters and they hide the true facts.
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I see no reason to listen to Studio's claims about moderate muslims. He claims to know lots of moderate muslims, yet he is too scared to go on a demo because they might attack his business.

Either he's doing nothing to get the moderate muslims he knows to join EDL, or he's failing. I asked him once if he even attended a local division (he lives in an area with one of the strongest divisions). I don't remember that he ever replied.

I have no idea if moderate muslims are relevant. If they go to the mosque, I don't trust them. If they are muslim in name only, then there's some hope they will put this country before their religion, and that they might be tolerant towards jews and homos. But moderate muslim organizations have rejected all contact that EDL has tried to make with them. General Jack is pointing out the reality - even if they exist moderate muslims are silent and allowing the extremists to reign. When (extremist?) muslims make death threats in public forums like Facebook, no moderate muslim comes forward to rebuke them. That says it all, IMO.

I've put myself forward as a contact to muslims who want to know if there is a role for them in EDL. I'll let you know if any come forward and actually go to join a local division.

I've posted many times the BBC 2007 survey that showed that muslims aged 16-24 are 3x more fundamentalist than their parents. We can't assume that these people are becoming less religious and better integrated into our society, when surveys show otherwise, and people like Studio are too scared to even be associated publicly with EDL.

EDL has given muslims a chance to stand up against extremism. Sajj and Abdul are notable exceptions. But it is the exception that proves the rule.
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Homo Sapien, you make good sense as always.
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I feel very sorry for Muslims. It must be very difficult to face the reality of some of the tenets of Islam and remain a Muslim. The idea that Islam is being twisted by 'radicals', or that they are interpreting it incorrectly, is a false one. The 'radicals', the 'extremists' are in fact right in what they say. If only the West would listen to the 'extremists' we would awaken from our slumber to a very real threat. In a sense the Jews sleep-walked into the ovens. No one was willing to believe that such monstrosity could exist despite what the Nazis were screaming. It's the same with the Islamists. They're telling us straight what the situation is. At the moment perhaps they don't have the means to inflict real harm, but how long before Pakistan's nukes fall into the wrong hands? 5 years, 10 years? 1 year?
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I have yet to see a muslim rape in the name of allah, but have seen that action used to demonise all muslims.
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Pan-European Arab Muslim Gang Rape Epidemic
http://www.iris.org.il/blog/archives/757-Pan-European-Arab-Muslim-Gang-Rape-Epidemic.html

Muslim mobs rape children while crying, "Allah is Great!
http://www.jesus-is-lord.com/barbaric.htm

RAPE BY MUSLIMS, epidemic in Europe
http://barenakedislam.wordpress.com/2009/04/16/rape-by-muslims-epidemic-in-europe-and-headed-this-way-thanks-to-ever-increasing-muslim-immigration-to-the-u-s/

IN ALLAH’S NAME
http://www.modernghana.com/news2/273919/1/in-allahs-name-bisimillahi-rahmanu-rahim.html

Sweden Tops Europe for Number of Rapes = Muslim Rape Jihad
http://theopinionator.typepad.com/my_weblog/2009/04/sweden-tops-europe-for-number-of-rapes.html

TORONTO: MUSLIM GANG-RAPES FRIGHTEN PUBLIC
http://mosquewatch.blogspot.com/2010/01/toronto-muslim-gang-rapes-frighten.html

Islamic rape of Western women
http://www.amnation.com/vfr/archives/004811.htm

IF I HAD THE TIME I COULD FIND YOU A FEW THOUSAND MORE ARTICLES.
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That was an excellent article and so true too, thanks for posting.
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A man, whose family was German aristocracy prior to World War II, owned a number of large industries and estates. When asked how many German people were true Nazis, the answer he gave can guide our attitude toward fanaticism. 'Very few people were true Nazis,' he said, 'but many enjoyed the return of German pride, and many more were too busy to care. I was one of those who just thought the Nazis were a bunch of fools. So, the majority just sat back and let it all happen. Then, before we knew it, they owned us, and we had lost control, and the end of the world had come. My family lost everything. I ended up in a concentration camp and the Allies destroyed my factories.'

We are told again and again by 'experts' and 'talking heads' that Islam is the religion of peace and that the vast majority of Muslims just want to live in peace. Although this unqualified assertion may be true, it is entirely irrelevant. It is meaningless fluff, meant to make us feel better, and meant to somehow diminish the specter of fanatics rampaging across the globe in the name of Islam.

The fact is that the fanatics rule Islam at this moment in history. It is the fanatics who march... It is the fanatics who wage any one of 50 shooting wars worldwide. It is the fanatics who systematically slaughter Christian or tribal groups throughout Africa and are gradually taking over the entire continent in an Islamic wave. It is the fanatics who bomb, behead, murder, or honor-kill. It is the fanatics who take over mosque after mosque. It is the fanatics who zealously spread the stoning and hanging of rape victims and homosexuals. It is the fanatics who teach their young to kill and to become suicide bombers.

The hard, quantifiable fact is that the peaceful majority, the 'silent majority,' is cowed and extraneous.

Communist Russia was comprised of Russians who just wanted to live in peace, yet the Russian Communists were responsible for the murder of about 20 million people. The peaceful majority were irrelevant. China’s huge population was peaceful as well, but Chinese Communists managed to kill a staggering 70 million people.

The average Japanese individual prior to World War II was not a warmongering sadist. Yet, Japan murdered and slaughtered its way across South East Asia in an orgy of killing that included the systematic murder of 12 million Chinese civilians; most killed by sword, shovel, and bayonet.

And who can forget Rwanda, which collapsed into butchery. Could it not be said that the majority of Rwandans were ‘peace loving’?

History lessons are often incredibly simple and blunt, yet for all our powers of reason, we often miss the most basic and uncomplicated of points:

Peace-loving Muslims have been made irrelevant by their silence.

Peace-loving Muslims will become our enemy if they don't speak up, because like my friend from Germany, they will awaken one day and find that the fanatics own them, and the end of their world will have begun.

Peace-loving Germans, Japanese, Chinese, Russians, Rwandans, Serbs, Afghans, Iraqis, Palestinians, Somalis, Nigerians, Algerians, and many others have died because the peaceful majority did not speak up until it was too late. As for us who watch it all unfold, we must pay attention to the only group that counts -- the fanatics who threaten our way of life.

Lastly, anyone who doubts that the issue is serious and doesn't send it on to everyone they know is contributing to the passiveness that allows the problems to expand. So, extend yourself a bit and send this on and on and on! Let us hope that thousands, world-wide, read this and think about it, and send it on - before it's too late.

.....this was written by Paul E. Marek, of Canada
Excellent post.

Its the truth. Muslims who don't say anything, who don't anything are just as bad as the terrorist themselves.

They might say..."I don't have anything to do with those muslims who are terrorist", But they do support them with it comes to islam taking over the west and muslim law in every country.

They are fuel for the fire.
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If the silent majority of muslims want to live in peace then they should stay silent no longer and speak out against the radical extremists.
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They are, but you dont want to listen. Takiyya being the favorite chant.
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Now this is my personal view. And Not the EDLs, but seems to be the consensus of almost every non Muslim I know of all races and religions I've met in the last 3 years.

As I’ve mentioned on posts previously. I believe Islam is simply what it is “Islam” and that a moderate Islam does not exist. Therefore no such thing as moderate practicing Muslim exists either.

Because by definition, the so called majority of practicing Muslims that we are told are moderate, are really mainstream Muslims, who believe in the literalism of the teaching of Islam.

I feel equally uncomfortable with the so called “moderate” mainstream Muslims, that I see around me, wearing Muslim attire , as I would be if there were moderate practicing Nazi’s walking around wearing German SS uniforms

I you want to see what life would be like in a countries full of Moderate Muslims (the so called majority of Muslims) take a look at the following Video.

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EXCELLENT article and so true,
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i've never heard this TAKIYYA you claim people don't listen to or want to hear, Surely you would have to agree that IF the majority of the muslim community do not hold the same beliefs as these radical organisations, then they should be doing far far more to weed out oppose and deny them the platform they so readily enjoy in these mosques. otherwise its only natural to assume that all muslims have the same common goal of destroying anything or anyone that does not bow to the word of islam. to some, ignorance is bliss.
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I feel equally uncomfortable with the so called “moderate” mainstream Muslims, that I see around me, wearing Muslim attire , as I would be if there were moderate practicing Nazi’s walking around wearing German SS uniforms
Thank you for making that point. My gay friends and I feel exactly the same when we see these people. I find them every bit as alarming as I would find the SS.

And like you, for me these are most definitely not what I mean by moderate muslims. And there are more and more of them every week.

I was reading Paul Fregosi's book Jihad in the West: Muslim Conquests from the 7th to the 21st Centuries. This book was published in 1998 (of course, even then muslims scared his original publisher from publishing it).

In the middle of the book are some photos. Facing p.225 is a photo of Turkey which says "...downtown Istanbul... Veiled women have become a common sight..." The alarming and shocking thing about this photo from a muslim country from 10 years ago... is that in 2008 in Bolton, Bradford or Whitechapel muslim women have far more of their faces covered, such as burka or niqab - the women in Fregosi's picture are basically wearing a tighter hijab.

That shows how far and how fast the radicalization has spread in a decade. It is a salutary reminder. The drip..drip of radicalization is often hard to mark. These photos (like the more famous photo of Cairo university showing the class of 1975 with the class of 2005 - where head-coverings went from none to all in 30 years), are very important to hold on to. They give us an idea of how fast this river is flowing and why we must stop it.
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For a long time I have struggled to differentiate between muslim extremists, radicals, terrorists and so called moderates.

As somebody else has stated, these so called moderates, who apparently are opposed to the barbaric actions of their more extreme brethren, routinely fail to make their voices heard on the matter.

However, draw an image and call it 'muhammed' and they are protesting in their droves!

Islam has time and time again demonstrated that it at odds with modern, democratic, western societies and the actions and opinions of the more extreme should in my opinion be used as a benchmark for the whole damn lot of them, until such time as they prove otherwise.
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Great posts all and I agree with the majority of views here. A few points I'd like to make:

Just as there is no such thing as a moderate Nazi (or Nazism), there is no such thing as a moderate muslim (or Islam)-there never was. Islam always had been an ultraviolent, warmongering, parasitic, imperialist/conquering totalitarian death cult when it was first invented by its barbarian pedophile-warlord founder Muhammad and it hasn't changed since.

Speaking at Kanal D TV’s Arena program, Turkey's PM Erdogan commented on the term “moderate Islam”, often used in the West to describe AKP and said, ‘These descriptions are very ugly, it is offensive and an insult to our religion. There is no moderate or immoderate Islam. Islam is Islam and that’s it.” (Source: Milliyet, Turkey, August 21, 2007)

I think we in the West do great harm and disservice by lying to ourselves about who the real enemy is ('If you know the enemy and know yourself, your victory will not stand in doubt'-Sun Tzu). By allowing the radical/moderate division in our discourse, we are providing cover for Islam to continue to conquer us and expand itself. Notice that muslims have no problem at all with this division-because they know while we're wracking our brains or off on a wild goose chase to try to find these 'radicals', the 'moderates' are busy infiltrating our institutions, media and positions of power to destroy our democracy from within and preparing the way for the establishment of an Islamic state and muslim rule.

The muslims in the West are not confused or victimized (aside from some women/children), they know what it means to have western freedom but they deliberately reject it because they believe Islam is superior and based on opinion polls, most muslims support its agenda for the destruction of western democracy and its Islamification. So don't worry about the moderates, don't waste your time trying to "reach out" to them (the misguided 'hearts and minds' strategy). Put your country and the rights of non-muslims first and the decent muslims will join our us on their own. If they don't, they only have themselves to blame for supporting an evil death cult.

I think most people here are smart enough to know that the real enemy which is at war against us is Islam, not 'radical Islam', 'Islamism', etc. It also simplifies our problem-now we don't have to try to sort out the good Islam from the bad...its all bad. lol Just remember what life was like before anyone even knew what the word Islam was...that's the state we'd all like to return to. Islam will never moderate (they tried for centuries) so either we surrender now or we work to eradicate it, not just from the West but the world-but of course we have to start in our home countries first.

Last point, Islam is an ideology (a set of ideas/beliefs that we humans invented, not gods) like Feminism, Nazism, Communism, Religion, etc...all ideologies are open to question, ridicule and elimination if they present a danger to us-which Islam clearly does. So don't let anyone try to deter you from criticizing this evil belief system. Additionally, it is not really possible to separate the believer from their beliefs. When we say we're at war with Islam, it also means we're at war with muslims who spread Islam and try to impose it on us. We need to get rid of Political Correctness, it is a weapon in the hands of our enemies which they use to silence and demonize us-we have to be truthful and honest with ourselves if we are to win this war.
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"If Islam only had 1,000 members, we would've branded it a criminal organization and a death cult, jailed its leaders, killed their terrorists and disbanded it for promoting hatred, polygamy, pedophilia, misogyny and waging war against non-muslims.

The day our civilization realizes this fact and isn't afraid to defend freedom/democracy, is the day this evil ideology will begin to be eliminated from humanity forever."-hindu4edl
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Great posts all and I agree with the majority of views here. A few points I'd like to make:

Just as there is no such thing as a moderate Nazi (or Nazism), there is no such thing as a moderate muslim (or Islam)-there never was. Islam always had been an ultraviolent, warmongering, parasitic, imperialist/conquering totalitarian death cult when it was first invented by its barbarian pedophile-warlord founder Muhammad and it hasn't changed since.

Speaking at Kanal D TV’s Arena program, Turkey's PM Erdogan commented on the term “moderate Islam”, often used in the West to describe AKP and said, ‘These descriptions are very ugly, it is offensive and an insult to our religion. There is no moderate or immoderate Islam. Islam is Islam and that’s it.” (Source: Milliyet, Turkey, August 21, 2007)

I think we in the West do great harm and disservice by lying to ourselves about who the real enemy is ('If you know the enemy and know yourself, your victory will not stand in doubt'-Sun Tzu). By allowing the radical/moderate division in our discourse, we are providing cover for Islam to continue to conquer us and expand itself. Notice that muslims have no problem at all with this division-because they know while we're wracking our brains or off on a wild goose chase to try to find these 'radicals', the 'moderates' are busy infiltrating our institutions, media and positions of power to destroy our democracy from within and preparing the way for the establishment of an Islamic state and muslim rule.

The muslims in the West are not confused or victimized (aside from some women/children), they know what it means to have western freedom but they deliberately reject it because they believe Islam is superior and based on polls, most muslims support its agenda for the destruction of western democracy and its Islamification. So don't worry about the moderates, don't waste your time trying to "reach out" to them (the misguided 'hearts and minds' strategy). Put your country and the rights of non-muslims first and the decent muslims will join our us on their own. If they don't, they only have themselves to blame for supporting an evil death cult.

I think most people here are smart enough to know that the real enemy which is at war against us is Islam, not 'radical Islam', 'Islamism', etc. It also simplifies our problem-now we don't have to try to sort out the good Islam from the bad...its all bad. lol Just remember what life was like before anyone even knew what the word Islam was...that's the state we'd all like to return to. Islam will never moderate (they tried for centuries) so either we surrender now or we work to eradicate it, not just from the West but the world-but of course we have to start in our home countries first.

Last point, Islam is an ideology (a set of ideas/beliefs that we humans invented, not gods) like Feminism, Nazism, Communism, Religion, etc...all ideologies are open to question, ridicule and elimination if they present a danger to us-which Islam clearly does. So don't let anyone try to silence you from criticizing this evil belief system. Additionally, it is not really possible to separate the believer from their beliefs. When we say we're at war with Islam, it also means we're at war with muslims who spread Islam and try to impose it on us. We need to get rid of Political Correctness, it is a weapon in the hands of our enemies which they use to silence and demonize us-we have to be truthful and honest with ourselves if we are to win this war.
My kinda logic! You talk a lorra sense Hindu4EDL.
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My kinda logic! You talk a lorra sense Hindu4EDL.
Thanks General, great minds think alike. :)
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"If Islam only had 1,000 members, we would've branded it a criminal organization and a death cult, jailed its leaders, killed their terrorists and disbanded it for promoting hatred, polygamy, pedophilia, misogyny and waging war against non-muslims.

The day our civilization realizes this fact and isn't afraid to defend freedom/democracy, is the day this evil ideology will begin to be eliminated from humanity forever."-hindu4edl
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Do you really think Islam would be a problem in Europe if the people and governments have the will to deal with it?
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The real enemy isn't Islam, Islam is easy to deal with in the West, The real enemy are those that are purposefully changing the demographics of Europe for their own ends, inviting mass Muslim immigration and supporting Islam whilst quashing any resistance to it. These are the political elites, and the educated, well healed "Unwashed". We need to demonstrate against these people too. They are the ones that control the media, mainstream politics, economy, Law, and more importantly its they who decide the political options you can vote for within any of the mainstream parties. And here is the rub, you can't vote for an option you don't have.

There is no way that Islam and the west can co-exist in the same space, but we can do nothing with our hands tied, the Political Elites will eventually force people to the to the far right of politics, and god help us then, because after the Muslims are dispatched, the Jews, blacks, Indians, gays etc.. will be next, so it is in all our interests that this situation is addressed before we get that far along this dark road.

We need to identify who the real enemy are, the ones responsible for this nightmare we are finding ourselves in, and make them, their ideas, and what they have both done and are doing, known to the people.

Muslims need to be given the choice to either put this country and all its citizens first, and Islam second, or leave. The clock is ticking, it's just a matter of time now before this boils over into mass violence, and when the people are scared they will vote for anyone who will alleviate that fear.
we can either be a country of people united, regardless of race, religion or sexuality, or we can be a country of divided people, with two laws, two cultures, each with values totaly at odds with each other, where the undercurrent of civil unrest is never far away, and bombings and murders are the order of the day.

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Do you really think Islam would be a problem in Europe if the people and governments have the will to deal with it?
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The real enemy isn't Islam, Islam is easy to deal with in the West, The real enemy are those that are purposefully changing the demographics of Europe for their own ends, inviting mass Muslim immigration and supporting Islam whilst quashing any resistance to it. These are the political elites, and the educated, well healed "Unwashed". We need to demonstrate against these people too. They are the ones that control the media, mainstream politics, economy, Law, and more importantly its they who decide the political options you can vote for within any of the mainstream parties. And here is the rub, you can't vote for an option you don't have.

There is no way that Islam and the west can co-exist in the same space, but we can do nothing with our hands tied, the Political Elites will eventually force people to the to the far right of politics, and god help us then, because after the Muslims are dispatched, the Jews, blacks, Indians, gays etc.. will be next, so it is in all our interests that this situation is addressed before we get that far along this dark road.

We need to identify who the real enemy are, the ones responsible for this nightmare we are finding ourselves in, and make them, their ideas, and what they have both done and are doing, known to the people.

Muslims need to be given the choice to either put this country and all its citizens first, and Islam second, or leave. The clock is ticking, it's just a matter of time now before this boils over into mass violence, and when the people are scared they will vote for anyone who will alleviate that fear.
we can either be a country of people united, regardless of race, religion or sexuality, or we can be a country of divided people, with two laws, two cultures, each with values totaly at odds with each other, where the undercurrent of civil unrest is never far away, and bombings and murders are the order of the day.

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wow, that's a very powerful post, SHIELD. That definitely warrants a whole new thread of it's own. However, I'd like to comment on the main point I take from this.

"we can either be a country of people united, regardless of race, religion or sexuality, or we can be a country of divided people, with two laws, two cultures, each with values totaly at odds with each other, where the undercurrent of civil unrest is never far away, and bombings and murders are the order of the day."

Islam is bursting at the seams with radicals and they have no desire to assimilate. The Muslim/Islamic goal is take-over and Shari'ah. Nothing else will suffice. Some people don't seem to comprehend the vastness in the different ways our two cultures think. We want to carry on with things and be happy, they want to dominate in a fanatical frenzy of cult like devotion to a freak-ball God that doesn't exist. It's 21st century versus 7th century. It's good versus evil. It's two extreme opposites that simply cannot co-exist!

To touch your other point, that Islam is merely being facilitated by our own leaders, I say you are right. If real men were in charge of the country (as opposed to weakling, left wing do-gooders and bleeding heart blow-bags) then we wouldn't be in this position. If we had strong leaders insead of wimps, we would not tolerate Islam. But our political elite are nothing more than overgrown schoolboys. Feminine, weak, blinded by political correctness and 'human' rights. We need to put men back in power and remove these sissy do-gooders before there's nothing left of our countries and Europe is totally Islamised! As far as I can see, our leaders are doing nothing to curb this evil!
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I think its bollox myself
What if your wrong? and it's not bollocks. I believe the silence and inaction of the so called moderate Muslim is deafening.

So while you may give them the benefit of the doubt, I for one think they've had far too many chances, to nail their colors to the mast of democracy and freedom. But they always fail to do so.

Every time there is another atrocity in the name of Allah, instead of putting the blame where it belongs, they make excuses and try to justify their brother Islamists murderous behavior on: The Americans or the Israelis or Uncle Tom Cobly, but never where it truly belongs And that's the warped religion, called Islam.

So I think your statement 'that it's bollocks', is BOLLOCKS!
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well wrote gives me alot to think about thanks
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Good posts.

It is quite naive to believe that the 'moderate muslim' will ever stand up in great numbers and be counted. You will always get the odd brave peep, but they certainly won't ever be seen in their droves.

Where were they ALL after 9/11 and 7/7?

Have we ever witnessed muslims flocking to the streets in their tens of thousands to protest against Islam committing such gross blatant acts of genocide/ethnic cleansing?

No, they haven't and they never will. So don't waste your time holding your breath.
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Can I slip this one in here please (hope you don't mind me mentioning this here) - its in the Off Topic section so a lot of peeps may not see it.

There is a POLL on the dailynews.com site.

67% have voted FOR the 9/11 Ground Zero Mosque to be built and ONLY 32% have voted AGAINST.

Can we help to turn this vote around? You can bet your bottom dollar the muslims are onto this one and voting in their droves.

http://s1.zetaboards.com/EDL_The_Forum/topic/3372851/1/#new

thanks
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The Moderate Muslims want to build a Mosque near the very site that Muslim extremist killed thousands of innocent people. This gives you an idea of why the mosque is such a hated symbol in every non Islamic country, and Muslims are so hated worldwide. They leave the countries their religion have poisoned at the drop of a hat for a better life, spreading the disease of Islam wherever they go.

I am sorry to say that the more the years roll by, the more I truly believe that civil unrest in the west will grow proportional to the amount of hate Muslims and Non Muslims have for each other, and that hate is growing on both sides at an alarming rate.

This I can tell you, there is not a hope in Hells chance that anything can stop it. This my friends is either the beginning of the end or the end of the beginning.
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Why...why does Islam have no place in society when so much of the bible is just as spurious? See this is where it gets interesting, Christian doctrine is heavily diluted and deviates from the prescribed way of the bible yet they're allowed to the party as long as they stick to said deviations...Islam according to certain posters has absolutely no place in society whatsoever though, moderate or otherwise? how'd you spell H Y P O C R I S Y again?
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Keel what brought you to this forum?
Do you not see what is happening in this country?
As far as I see there are no Christian groups that go round preaching hatred,theres no christian gangs attacking non christians on a regular basis and theres defo no christian groups trying(and succeeding) in blowing stuff up in our country,nevermind the fact of not trying to intergrate on a large scale.
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